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Hu Jintao Frogmarched from CCP Conference — Xi Brushes Hu
No doubt airbrushing is the wrong term for what just happened. Toilet-brushed perhaps.
Of note, the guy to our (visual) right of Hu as he is finally led away. His moment of indecision makes him seem like a Hu Jintao guy who suddenly realizes that he is now the newest Xi Jinping guy. Deputy human drama for this scene.
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No Henry, anything Arab is about Islamic Terrorism, did you not get the memo?
Yes I know it’s tough on Arab Socialists, or Christians, or Druze, but there you go.
KISS, okay?Only if he was throwing food, shouting like Biden, or otherwise incontinent before the video starts. It’s not like he simply cannot find the exit. He is definitely being removed from his seat and the hall.
This post has been seriously derailed. It is about a fascinating event in China. Please no more comments about Trump, pro or con.
The Chinese official line to the outside world (the announcement was published in English in Xinhua) is that it was for health reasons. But then, why have all references to Hu been scrubbed from Chinese social media? Furthermore, nothing has been in the Chinese internal press about this. That this was witnessed by only party faithful and the world outside China is as likely to be conveying a targeted message.
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This post is NOT about Trump. See comment #63.
But what? I mean did Hu have any power within the CCP, in comparison to Xi?
Saddam’s brutal purge of the Ba’ath Congress (??) was actually a physical purge. You can hear those people being shot outside after they’re being led away – and circulating (or allowing) that video to circulate was a clear flex, intimidation, message to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.
It was a power move, but a move by a power that was still consolidating and that was vulnerable.
With Hu – I don’t see the point. Xi is not in the position Saddam was at that point. Or is he?
I wish that you would stop working to wreck our state and our country.
I don’t think that you love our country. I think that you just hate Trump, and everyone associated with him. I’m a strong Trump supporter. I wonder if you hate me.
Gary, please stop supporting Democrats. If you must, just stay home, or visit your mom down in Sonoita. I’d even be happy to meet you for dinner on the way.
I’m going to make a personal appeal. You have no kids, Gary. I have four. Please don’t do anything to further the power of the Democrats who, like Sauron, seem to aim at wrecking everything green and good in the world.
There have been two factions in the CCP, the Shanghai group and the group that owes its allegiance still to Mao (and his wife). They have been vying for power since Mao’s death. The Shanghai group was able to have power because China was so desperately broke. It was a situation very similar to the Soviet Union after the War Communism period when the Civil War ended in 1922. As a result, a period of economic reform ensued allowing individuals to take initiative in business. China could feed itself. A middle class arose in China. It was a period of very rapid urbanization. It was a period in which foreign companies could produce goods in China. It was a period in which foreigners were confused about the nature of China and started thinking it was really capitalist. As a result of that confusion, foreigners started propagating nonsense about how China was just like us and as the Chinese got wealthier, then human rights, democracy, blah, blah, blah would ensue. Pure wishful thinking nonsense. It was a period in which the Chinese Communist Party maintained firm and resolute control on power. Beginning in about 2008, the opening up started slowly reversing. The Shanghai group started losing power and the Maoist group started gaining power. The initial election of Xi was a sign of the change, but the Shanghai faction still had power. That power has waned ever since. This is the clearest indication of how far the shift has gone.
I doubt Hu will be taken out and shot. I doubt anything bad physically will happen to Hu. He probably will be under house arrest, lose his money inside China, and live out the rest of his life in obscurity.
I find something interesting about the video.
It appears that everyone seated in the back rows is masked. The guy escorting Hu away is masked. But the people sitting in the front row are not masked.
Nice try, but Gary probably thinks he’s helping to save the country for his nieces and/or nephews.
He probably even thinks he’s working to save the country for YOUR kids, too.
I am not going to respond to this comment or comment #70.
Please let’s get back to the point of this post which is about Xi’s very public purge of Hu. See comments ##63 and 65.
And Xi is part of this group?
Is it just a matter of who’s top dog, or are there actual policy differences?
Wrt how China developes, coastal/inland focus, etc?
If he’s being purged wouldn’t it make sense to let him keep his money? “Golden off-ramp” for the Shanghai group etc.
But if he keeps his money, he could continue to be a threat to Xi.
How?
Really? That’s your question?
I suppose it depends on how much money was involved, but still…
Really? That’s your question?
Obviously. In an authoritarian system like China’s wealth does not have the same sway over political power that it does in places like the West. I think it’s the other way round – that political power rules wealth, not least because holding on to your wealth is conditional.
Xi was promoted because the Shanghai group thought he was a reformer. Oops.
Definitely policy differences as well as top dog.
The Shanghai group wants to have good relations with the west. Xi wants to stand up to the west.
The Shanghai group wants Taiwan’s status to remain ambiguous with the thought Taiwan will eventually become part of China. Xi wants to be aggressive and clear up Taiwan’s status.
Hong Kong is a similar policy difference along the same lines as Taiwan.
The Shanghai group wants to continue growth policies, but everything they have done is based on leverage, i.e., debt. The Shanghai group is extremely corrupt. Xi uses that against them.
The money will be distributed to Xi’s people. Patronage.
More info:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1583788208894414849.html
FYI: I very much disagree with the Duran about the importance of the chip ban. I think it is extremely damaging and the Chinese will find it almost impossible to get around this. There is far too much infrastructure they would have to construct and it would take decades to do. And in the meantime, the west will have moved on – unless they get complacent (something the west is good at). Another possibility is that the US will use the ban as a bargaining chip.
This is a fascinating and mesmerizing discussion. I have no idea how this is going to turn out. I really appreciate the comments people have made.
Xi is doing exactly what Biden is doing. Erasing the legacy of his predecessor, so only his “accomplishments” will be noted in history. Just like the US DemocRats, the CCP in China is rewriting history so their guy is painted as the Number One Savior. Lucky for the CCP, their “history” isn’t nearly as long as ours, so they have less to change/erase.
Who knew Winnie the Poo could be so Totalitarian?
While they were dragging Hu out, Xi could be heard to exclaim, “Oh, bother!”
There was definitely something else going on there. No one looked at him as he was being ushered out. The shunning was very obvious and significant.
Here an article from NR which I think is not behind their paywall. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/former-chinese-president-escorted-out-of-communist-party-congress/
They are mafia with a military. The Sopranos at a global level. They want to rip off their own people and the whole planet. We never, ever should have traded with them except to keep them alive with food and fuel. I don’t get why some people don’t think that’s accurate.
Thank You.
Thank God we have such a wonderful and competent ruling class in the West.
After watching the video, I couldn’t help thinking “ Obsolete! Obsolete!Obsolete!Obsolete!”
Xi taking a page out of the Biden handbook
Did he sic the permanent bureaucracy on them? Saying some stupid and using the power of the state are two different things. Biden/Obama used the state against opponents (Obama used the IRS against the tea-party, used FBI against journalists who were tough on them, Biden is using the FBI against parents who protests the PTA, pro-life protesters and performing unnecessary raids on former Trump officials)