We Are No Longer Conservatives; We Are Restorationists

 

Conservatives have long struggled to define the term “conservatism.” This makes sense since it’s always been less a political ideology than a life philosophy. Perhaps even an attitude.

When asked to define conservatism, Abraham Lincoln replied, “Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?”

William F. Buckley updated his answer for the mid-20th century, framing it in opposition to liberalism. In other words, an anti-ideology. In his book Up from Liberalism (1959), Buckley declares conservativism is  “freedom, individuality, the sense of community, the sanctity of the family, the supremacy of the conscience, the spiritual view of life.”

A half-century earlier, G.K. Chesterton didn’t so much define the term as identify the action it requires.

All conservatism is based upon the idea that if you leave things alone you leave them as they are. But you do not. If you leave a thing alone you leave it to a torrent of change. If you leave a white post alone it will soon be a black post. If you particularly want it to be white you must be always painting it again; that is, you must be always having a revolution. [Orthodoxy, 1908]

It isn’t enough to “stand athwart history, yelling ‘Stop.'” Conservatism requires intentional, aggressive work to evaluate the firehose of proposed changes, then promote the good ones and destroy the bad.

Or, as Reagan put it, “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

Reagan was prophetic. These days, conservatives spend a lot of time telling younger generations what it was once like to be free. We speak of lost liberties and wonder how best to restore them.

Here’s the plain fact: there’s no need for conservatism when there’s little left to conserve.

That’s why, over at The Federalist, John Daniel Davidson declared, “We Need To Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives.”

Conservatives have long defined their politics in terms of what they wish to conserve or preserve — individual rights, family values, religious freedom, and so on. Conservatives, we are told, want to preserve the rich traditions and civilizational achievements of the past, pass them on to the next generation, and defend them from the left. In America, conservatives and classical liberals alike rightly believe an ascendent left wants to dismantle our constitutional system and transform America into a woke dystopia. The task of conservatives, going back many decades now, has been to stop them.

In an earlier era, this made sense. There was much to conserve. But any honest appraisal of our situation today renders such a definition absurd. After all, what have conservatives succeeded in conserving? In just my lifetime, they have lost much: marriage as it has been understood for thousands of years, the First Amendment, any semblance of control over our borders, a fundamental distinction between men and women, and, especially of late, the basic rule of law.

We have conserved a few things — gun rights, red-state economic policies, religious liberty (for now) — but it’s hard to argue with the main thrust of Davidson’s assessment.

The right isn’t conserving much but desperately trying to restore our freedom, our family, and our constitutional order.

Words mean things, and in the modern age, so does branding. I agree that “conservative” has outlasted its accuracy, but we need to call ourselves something. To that end…

We are no longer Conservatives; we are Restorationists.

We seek not to conserve the role of tradition in our society but to restore tradition to its rightful place.

Similarly, there are no national borders left to conserve; they must be restored.

The family is shattered and we must reintroduce this cornerstone of civilization. (That includes gender norms promoted from the dawn of time.)

Free speech must be placed back in the academy, workplace, and civil society.

All of this is work. Hard work. As such, it requires all of us to join the effort; neighbors, business leaders, teachers, and our government.

This is no longer the time for Conservation. On to Restoration.

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    Just to be clear, I think we do need to fix a few things by force, but not to the extent in that article. 

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    I never explicitly say this, but I’m pretty sure it’s true. I’m pretty sure it’s the position of Mises.org

     

     

     

     

    The whole system is set up to rob people of agency and push power up and centralize it. Then you get social problems or you whine about morals and how everybody behaves. Then the people that don’t get it want to fix it by force.

    They get to this at 29:00 approximately, but you should listen to the whole thing. 

     

     

    Comrades! Be Moral And Productive! lol

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  4. Flapjack Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

     

    Restore Our Systems of Education – Public schools have failed. Students are being indoctrinated, not educated. Public schools needs to be reorganized and purged of political influence. Non-Public alternatives should be accessible to all income levels.

    Perhaps add to this a restoration of education completely to the state and local levels of government; remove all federal dollars and regulations.  All.

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    The subtext of the post is that conservatism has failed. For the work of restoration to succeed, one essential element is to defeat those who made it necessary by causing conservatism to fail. Most of those people were within the Conservative movement.

    Absolutely true.

    The standard-bearers of conservatism, inc. conserved nothing. And it’s telling that so many of them now work for Democrat outlets and spend their days excoriating conservatism.

    There needs to be a house-cleaning.

    That is the danger. As an apparent target of your “house-cleaning,” I note that I haven’t left.

    Successful politics is the art of addition, not subtraction.

    You mean like Trump added so many votes from 2016 to 2020?

    Trump added 11,231,326 votes in 2020 compared to 2016.

    However, in 2020 Biden added 15,415,210 compared to Hillary in 2016.

    Biden added 4,189,884 more votes than Trump did.

    It’s far more likely that Trump’s added votes were legitimate, than that Biden’s were.

    Indeed, there’s a good chance that many of the Biden “votes” were actually votes for Trump.

    There is no hard evidence for this.  As Rudy Giuliani told Arizona Speaker Rusty Bowers, “I have lots of theories, but no evidence.”

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    Flapjack (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

     

    Restore Our Systems of Education – Public schools have failed. Students are being indoctrinated, not educated. Public schools needs to be reorganized and purged of political influence. Non-Public alternatives should be accessible to all income levels.

    Perhaps add to this a restoration of education completely to the state and local levels of government; remove all federal dollars and regulations. All.

    Cut a check to the parents. The Education Edifice adds zero value.

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If David French and George Will are not included in this movement, count me out. If Ricochet Founder Rob Long is not included in this movement, count me out. If Jonah Goldberg is not included in this movement, count me out.

    Good luck winning elections without us.

    Didn’t need you in 2016, don’t need you in 2024.

    You barely won in 2016, and in one term, Trump lost the House, the Senate and the Presidency, the first Republican to do so since Herbert Hoover’s first and only term.

    We are doing well in 2022, despite Trump. If Trump had gone away we would be winning the Senate going away, but we are stuck with the Trump endorsed candidates. See Masters, Blake for example.

    Trump earned a record number of votes without y’all.

    Biden won some 7 million votes more.

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):
    Trump was restoring the country but was rejected by too many. So much for restoration.

    PDT was our Flight 93 president. He averted disaster. Restoration is going to take a generation.

    I’m glad President Trump was polarizing. We’re going to win this civilizational battle.

    Winning politics is addition not subtraction as Reagan taught us, winning 49 states.

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  9. Flapjack Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    Restore Our Systems of Education – Public schools have failed. Students are being indoctrinated, not educated. Public schools needs to be reorganized and purged of political influence. Non-Public alternatives should be accessible to all income levels.

    Perhaps add to this a restoration of education completely to the state and local levels of government; remove all federal dollars and regulations. All.

    Cut a check to the parents. The Education Edifice adds zero value.

    I agree with both; however, I would add that actively removing federal rules and regulations needs to happen at the same time.  Every $ that flows from the feds comes with a cobweb of entanglements.

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Biden won some 7 million votes more.

    This is what’s known as “The Big Lie.”

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    “You must compromise and support *our* candidates, but we will vote Democrat rather than support yours” has been the Bush-Republican double-standard for years. It is one of the reasons I have become so alienated from electoral politics.

    With all due respect, Trump is doing his level best to run non-Trumpy candidates out of the party, like Jeff Flake, John McCain, Liz Cheney, and Lisa Murkowski. You can’t be surprised when people who have been run out of the party refuse to support Trump.

    My question to you is who would you agree to as President if it isn’t Trump? DeSantis. Fine by me. Kemp. Even better. Just not Trump, the person who sought to drive out anyone who disagreed with him.

    Running Flake, McCain, Cheney, and Murkowski out is a bad thing? I consider that to be restorative.

    By running out Flake and McCain, Arizona now has two Democrat Senators, and for the first time since 1964, the Democrats have a majority in the Arizona Congressional Delegation.  So much winning, for the Democrats.

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  12. Gary Robbins Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    Good luck winning elections without us.

    One out of two presidential elections so far.

    Well, you lost the House in 2018, the Presidency in 2020 and the Senate in 2020. Good luck with that.

    Winning means addition, not subtraction. But what did Reagan ever know? Other than being elected Governor kicking out the incumbent, getting re-elected, being elected President kicking out the incumbent and then getting re-elected, carrying 49 states.

    Addition existed since Trump increased his vote total in 2020.

    Biden increased by 4 million votes more than Trump increased in 2016 to 2020.

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    By running out Flake and McCain, Arizona now has two Democrat Senators, and for the first time since 1964, the Democrats have a majority in the Arizona Congressional Delegation.  So much winning, for the Democrats.

    Nobody ran out McCain. He died. Remember that? But dude. You know your campaign contributions are a matter of public record. They show you donated to McCain’s Democrat opponent. If anyone was trying to get rid of McCain, you were.

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  14. Gary Robbins Member
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    The subtext of the post is that conservatism has failed. For the work of restoration to succeed, one essential element is to defeat those who made it necessary by causing conservatism to fail. Most of those people were within the Conservative movement.

    Absolutely true.

    The standard-bearers of conservatism, inc. conserved nothing. And it’s telling that so many of them now work for Democrat outlets and spend their days excoriating conservatism.

    There needs to be a house-cleaning.

    That is the danger. As an apparent target of your “house-cleaning,” I note that I haven’t left.

    Successful politics is the art of addition, not subtraction.

    You mean like Trump added so many votes from 2016 to 2020?

    Trump added 11,231,326 votes in 2020 compared to 2016.

    However, in 2020 Biden added 15,415,210 compared to Hillary in 2016.

    Biden added 4,189,884 more votes than Trump did.

     

    Biden did nothing to earn those votes. Biden’s vote tally told me two things, it was a corrupt election, and we are two countries with incompatible and irreconcilable differences.

    It sounds like you adhere to the Trump view that “Either I win, or they cheated.”  Is it possible that Biden won because people rejected Trump in 2020?

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    By running out Flake

    I’m not totally up on this. The way I remember it, he was pretty libertarian in the house of representatives. He gets into the Senate, probably has to moderate. The way I remember it, he was initiating a lot of criticism of Trump out of nowhere. I don’t particularly remember a lot of bad policy positions like the other three.

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  16. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    By running out Flake

    I’m not totally up on this. The way I remember it, he was pretty libertarian in the house of representatives. He gets into the Senate, probably has to moderate. The way I remember it, he was initiating a lot of criticism of Trump out of nowhere. I don’t particularly remember a lot of bad policy positions like the other three.

    He didn’t bother to run for re-election. He was a quitter. And he (and Gary) blame his qutting on Trump voters, as if Flake had no agency at all.

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    The subtext of the post is that conservatism has failed. For the work of restoration to succeed, one essential element is to defeat those who made it necessary by causing conservatism to fail. Most of those people were within the Conservative movement.

    Absolutely true.

    The standard-bearers of conservatism, inc. conserved nothing. And it’s telling that so many of them now work for Democrat outlets and spend their days excoriating conservatism.

    There needs to be a house-cleaning.

    That is the danger. As an apparent target of your “house-cleaning,” I note that I haven’t left.

    Successful politics is the art of addition, not subtraction.

    You mean like Trump added so many votes from 2016 to 2020?

    Trump added 11,231,326 votes in 2020 compared to 2016.

    However, in 2020 Biden added 15,415,210 compared to Hillary in 2016.

    Biden added 4,189,884 more votes than Trump did.

    It’s far more likely that Trump’s added votes were legitimate, than that Biden’s were.

    Indeed, there’s a good chance that many of the Biden “votes” were actually votes for Trump.

    There is no hard evidence for this. As Rudy Giuliani told Arizona Speaker Rusty Bowers, “I have lots of theories, but no evidence.”

    Absence of evidence (at present) is not evidence of absence.

    But that’s more just the lawyer-speak.  There’s actually lots of evidence, even if it can’t be tied to individual voters – which could be intentional.

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    By running out Flake and McCain, Arizona now has two Democrat Senators, and for the first time since 1964, the Democrats have a majority in the Arizona Congressional Delegation. So much winning, for the Democrats.

    Nobody ran out McCain. He died. Remember that? But dude. You know your campaign contributions are a matter of public record. They show you donated to McCain’s Democrat opponent. If anyone was trying to get rid of McCain, you were.

    What you don’t realize is that McCain’s 2016 opponent was Flagstaff lawyer Ann Kirkpatrick, a personal friend.  In the end in 2016, I left my ballot blank for the McCain-Kirkpatrick race, as I could not stand to vote against either of them.

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  19. RufusRJones Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    By running out Flake

    I’m not totally up on this. The way I remember it, he was pretty libertarian in the house of representatives. He gets into the Senate, probably has to moderate. The way I remember it, he was initiating a lot of criticism of Trump out of nowhere. I don’t particularly remember a lot of bad policy positions like the other three.

    He didn’t bother to run for re-election. He was a quitter. And he (and Gary) blame his qutting on Trump voters, as if Flake had no agency at all.

    My point is, he initiated his own running off. That’s the way I remember it. Bitching about Trump out of nowhere. 

    The other three can go to hell as far as I’m concerned. I don’t get the enthusiasm for Murkowski over what’s her name. Trbiska or whatever. 

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  20. BastiatJunior Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin did not like that article. lol

    First hour, Friday.

    I think he basically made BDB’S argument.

    What article are we talking about?  I have been looking all over the comments trying to figure that out.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    Seems like a good time for this again:

    John McCain thought he was a statesman. But he regularly ignored us

    Marianne Jennings, opinion contributor Published 6:23 a.m. MT Sept. 7, 2018 | Updated 6:26 a.m. MT Sept. 7, 2018

    Opinion: John McCain delighted in embracing the other side in defiance of those he represented. Maverick was his label, but duplicity was his specialty.

    The flag-draped casket bearing John McCain is prepared to leave the National Cathedral in Washington on Sept. 1, 2018. (Photo: Jasper Colt, USAT)

    “Never speak ill of the dead” echoed in the mind of a minister, charged with conducting an infamously wretched man’s funeral. Unable to offer any kind words, he asked the few in attendance to offer some thoughts.

    A man in the back rose and said, “His brother was much worse.”

    Sullen and mute are the apt adjectives for many Arizonans during the week of U.S. Sen. John McCain’s funerals. When the media are your constituency, you get the Princess Diana treatment. Manners and respect for the military and the dead found us biting our tongues.

    They used the funeral to slam Trump

    However, by service No. 3 or 4, two former presidents and a petulant McCain daughter crossed a line. The three used a funeral service to slam our current president.

    Senator McCain, through the conduct of those chosen to speak at his funerals and the insulting language and parting shots in his final book of pettiness, gave up the shield of “speak no ill.”

    Many of us have the same difficulty with Wrong-Way McCain (a moniker for his votes and his record as a pilot) that the late John Lennon presents. Lennon lectured us “to give peace a chance” but could not get along with the three lads who took him to fame, fortune and Yoko Ono.

    Senator McCain lectured us on the importance of reaching across the aisle. Yet, McCain rarely put a hand out on our side of the aisle.

    McCain routinely betrayed the GOP

    Senator McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts and was among the fiercest of President Bush’s critics. He had his kindest words for his opponent in his failed presidential bid — President Obama.

    McCain-Feingold campaign limitations were an affront to the First Amendment, something the U.S. Supreme Court found in striking down portions of it. He was on the other side of the aisle on immigration reform and ignored letters, calls and pleas for help.

    With the Gang of Eight, he thumbed his nose at voters in this border state.

    His list of other legislation co-sponsored with Democrats is long, but not distinguished. A senator from Arizona sponsoring gun control legislation?

    [continued due to word limit]

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    In his last re-election campaign, he duped us on repealing Obamacare. Without prior disclosure, he gleefully gave a thumbs down on the Senate floor, tanking repeal in a blatant betrayal.

    Heroism is not a lifetime pass

    Senator McCain was only a Republican in election years. In between, he did as he pleased and never deigned to listen to those in his own party who disagreed with him, labeled by him as “crazies,” “hobbits” and “bizarros.”

    During Charles Keating’s Lincoln Savings and Loan debacle, McCain’s flights and close association with the arrogant Keating were surprising and disappointing. While he deserves all due credit for his military service and his courage as a POW, such heroism is not a lifetime free pass for conduct so unbecoming of an officer.

    Senator McCain fancied himself a statesman. But is the mark of a statesman that of ignoring the people who gave him that status? He seemed to delight in embracing the other side in defiance of those he represented. Maverick was his label, but duplicity was his specialty.

    Out of respect, however, one parting thought: Sen. Flake was much worse.

    Marianne Jennings is professor emeritus at the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University.

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin did not like that article. lol

    First hour, Friday.

    I think he basically made BDB’S argument.

    What article are we talking about? I have been looking all over the comments trying to figure that out.

    It’s referenced in the OP from the Federalist. John Daniel Davidson or something like that.

    I’m not really fired up about that article to the extent he is, but he is really smart. I mean when he goes one on one in the Federalist podcast or anything  really. Same with the other writer, Chris Bedford.

    It was all over the conservative world in like a nanosecond.

     

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  24. RufusRJones Member
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    If you look at BDB’S #148, mostly I think that is the way to look at it. That was Mark Levin’s view and of course he was really mad. lol 

    The thing is, the government and the Fed have screwed so many things up, there is no straight line back to ordinary conservatism and libertarianism.

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  25. BastiatJunior Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin did not like that article. lol

    First hour, Friday.

    I think he basically made BDB’S argument.

    What article are we talking about? I have been looking all over the comments trying to figure that out.

    It’s referenced in the OP from the Federalist. John Daniel Davidson or something like that.

    I’m not really fired up about that article to the extent he is, but he is really smart. I mean when he goes one on one in the Federalist podcast or anything really. Same with the other writer, Chris Bedford.

    It was all over the conservative world in like a nanosecond.

    The Davidson article was on the right track until it started pushing for big government.  We have too many “conservative” movements doing that already.

    However, I strongly agree with this:

     . . .  Drag Queen Story Hour should be outlawed; that parents who take their kids to drag shows should be arrested and charged with child abuse; that doctors who perform so-called “gender-affirming” interventions should be thrown in prison and have their medical licenses revoked; and that teachers who expose their students to sexually explicit material should not just be fired but be criminally prosecuted.

    You don’t need big government to enforce those kinds of laws.

    We should count one major blessing as we go into battle against the Left.  We currently have the best Federal Judiciary in generations, no thanks to the Chief Justice.  If it stays the way it is, it will become increasingly difficult for the Left to continue its unconstitutional impositions.

    Yeah, maybe I’m dreaming. But with government out of the way, people would start to bear the consequences of their stupid behavior.  That would force some of them to straighten up.  Darwin will take care of the rest.

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):
    But with government out of the way,

    The problem is, it’s not like this and every single institution is taken over by the left and is failing from a conservative and libertarian point of view. 

    So you get the NatCon Convention and articles like this that make Mark Levin insane.

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):
    Darwin will take care of the rest.

    Except for the way so many of them already reproduce even before finishing High School.  Darwin didn’t take that into account very well.

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  28. BastiatJunior Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    BastiatJunior (View Comment):
    Darwin will take care of the rest.

    Except for the way so many of them already reproduce even before finishing High School. Darwin didn’t take that into account very well.

    That problem is partially mitigated by the fact that abortion is still legal in California and other blue states.

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  29. BastiatJunior Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    BastiatJunior (View Comment):
    But with government out of the way,

    The problem is, it’s not like this and every single institution is taken over by the left and is failing from a conservative and libertarian point of view.

    So you get the NatCon Convention and articles like this that make Mark Levin insane.

    I share that concern-and also Levin’s insanity, however that problem may have already started solving itself.  There is one heck of a backlash building up steam right now.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BastiatJunior (View Comment):
    Darwin will take care of the rest.

    Except for the way so many of them already reproduce even before finishing High School. Darwin didn’t take that into account very well.

    That problem is partially mitigated by the fact that abortion is still legal in California and other blue states.

    To a degree, in that it would probably be even worse without that; but for example the black teenage out-of-wedlock BIRTH rate is also very high, not just the pregnancy/abortion rate.

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