Ukraine: What’s Happening, What Might Be Next

 

This post is intended to be descriptive, rather than prescriptive, as for instance BDB’s poll on support for weapons/troops for Ukraine.

What’s Happened

The MSM has been saturated with news of a hurricane that might be blamed on Republicans somehow, and a pipeline explosion that might be blamed on anyone, or sheer incompetence, depending on your favorite theory. So the operational details of what’s been happening in Ukraine after the big breakthrough East of Kharkiv may have disappeared unless you’ve been specifically tracking them (I have). So, a quick recap of the last couple of weeks:

Ukraine went into a short operational pause in the Kharkiv / north Luhansk area, presumably to resupply and reorganize.

Russia kept banging away on the Donetsk front, making little progress and continuing to lose troops and equipment.

Ukraine kept banging away in the Kherson area west of Dnipro, also making little apparent progress and expending a lot of HIMARS and other ammo blowing up bridges and Russian supply dumps and headquarters.

Things started moving quickly again last week.  In the northeast, the Ukrainians managed to surround the town of Lyman, a rail and road hub. There were between 500 and 5,000 Russians and proxy troops trapped there, depending on who you believe. Some or most of the Russians may have made it out, losing a lot of equipment. The final retreat, mostly by LPR proxy troops, apparently became a slaughter by Ukrainian artillery, mines, and light recon forces. There’s plenty of video evidence of the latter out there, don’t go looking unless you’re ready for it. I’ll drop a link to a text-only report by an American volunteer in one of the recon teams, but you still don’t want to read it near meal or bedtime.

After the Lyman episode, the Russian front north of there is being pushed back daily.  Some of this may be planned/controlled withdrawal, some seems to be a collapse. The Ukrainians now appear to control the important road between the towns of Svatove and Kreminna in Luhansk oblast.

Over the weekend, the Kherson front suddenly erupted. The Ukrainians punched in between several towns in the northeast of the oblast, west of a large reservoir on Dnipro, and have pushed the Russians back some tens of kilometers. The advance appears to be continuing. As of today, the Russians abandoned another portion of that front (Davydiv Brid) to avoid a possible envelopment.  Again, this appears to be some combination of collapse and planned withdrawal.

Both of these fronts are moving daily, best followed in real time. A sampling of reporting sites: Most speculative, kinda conservative, really conservative. These are all more-or-less the Ukrainian view. For Russian side reports, try here.

Some of the ‘mobiks’ from the chaotic Russian mobilization have appeared at the front. Mobik prisoners have been taken, and the dead recovered. There are video reports and call intercepts reporting mobiks being dropped off along the front with little or no supplies or communications.

What Might Happen

A pattern of Ukrainian operations is emerging. They are pushing recon/sabotage teams in between Russian-occupied towns and strongpoints, followed by light mechanized forces heavily armed with anti-armor weapons and backed with artillery and rocket fire. These threaten to envelop a major position, leading the Russians to fall back to protect their flanks, or potentially become surrounded.  For what it looks like from the POV of the scouts, this series of reports from the same volunteer I linked above gives a sample.

The UA is managing this because the Russians can no longer man a continuous line at the front. This implies that the larger numbers of casualty reports for Russia are credible. It’s also visible that some of Russia’s most elite formations have been shredded (‘heavily degraded’ is apparently the term of art) in the process. It also makes some ‘sense’ of the reports of untrained mobiks being dropped off with little support along the front. These poor [CoC] are being used as human trip wires to slow down the penetration by Ukrainian scouts and light forces.

The Russians left the mobilization too late to assemble a credible, trained, and equipped reserve force. They are being used as cannon fodder to delay Ukraine. Local Russian reserves have apparently been committed and defeated in Kharkiv/Luhansk and Kherson.  This suggests Ukraine can continue to advance.

On the other hand, the fall mud season (rasputitsa) is beginning, which will slow everything down. Recent videos have shown muddy but still firm secondary roads in the north (Kharkiv/Luhansk), but there’s been enough rain that it’s likely armor would now bog down off-road. Roads in the south (Kherson) appear to be dry still.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Ukrainian attempt to punch much deeper into Luhansk, probably towards the key logistics center of Starobilsk, before the mud really sets in.

There are recurrent rumors of Ukraine preparing a third offensive, this one to punch South towards Melitopol and then Crimea. I haven’t seen any actual evidence of such, including from those who are buying up satellite photos. And it’s just what I’d spread around if I were the Ukrainians, to convince the Russians to keep reserves there while the other fronts collapse. But I could be wrong…

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  1. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Hang On (View Comment):

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    Hang On (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    It makes no sense to blame Zelensky when it was Putin who invaded Ukraine.

    So Putin should have waited for Zelnsky to invade Donbas and Crimea as he was mustering troops to do?

    Donbas and Crimea were stolen from Ukraine by Putin in 2014.

    It’s clear that Ukraine is in the right and Putin is the aggressor who needs to be defeated or else Putin’s murderous aggression will have been rewarded.

    Donbas and Crimea broke away because your wonderful, great Ukrainian Nazi friends started slaughtering Russians. Why are you on the side of such mass murders and thugs?

    Putin invaded Ukraine and stole Donbas and Crimea.  

    It is you that is supporting Putin’s actions, which resemble the actions of the Nazis.  

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  2. GPentelie Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    It makes no sense to blame Zelensky when it was Putin who invaded Ukraine.

    Is a country’s status as an “invadee” render invalid ANY analyses of the circumstances/dynamics that preceded its attainment of said status, or just the analyses that bring up any possible role that the “invadee” itself might have played?

    Or is Ukraine a really special case, because … PUTIN!!!->REMEMBER STALIN 80 YEARS AGO!!!/RUSSIA->REMEMBER THE SOVIET UNION AS RECENTLY AS … 30 YEARS AGO!!! …?

    PS:

    As Zafar put it, … there’s a lot of “Argle Bargle” goin’ on.

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  3. Hang On Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Donbas and Crimea broke away because your wonderful, great Ukrainian Nazi friends started slaughtering Russians. Why are you on the side of such mass murders and thugs?

     

    You believe western propaganda put out by the CIA criminals all you want. These are the same WMD liars. They lie constantly, commit murder and should be in prison. 


    https://www.newsweek.com/neocons-woke-left-are-joining-hands-leading-us-woke-war-iii-opinion-1748947

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  4. MiMac Thatcher
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    It makes no sense to blame Zelensky when it was Putin who invaded Ukraine.

    So Putin should have waited for Zelnsky to invade Donbas and Crimea as he was mustering troops to do?

    Donbas and Crimea were stolen from Ukraine by Putin in 2014.

    It’s clear that Ukraine is in the right and Putin is the aggressor who needs to be defeated or else Putin’s murderous aggression will have been rewarded.

    Donbas and Crimea broke away because your wonderful, great Ukrainian Nazi friends started slaughtering Russians. Why are you on the side of such mass murders and thugs?

    Pure Russian propaganda- How many Jews are presidents of Nazi states?Wagner group mercenaries have more Nazis than the Ukrainian armed forces- just google it- there are many photos showing them with Nazi insignias.

    Headline:

    One of the worst ways Putin is gaslighting the world on Ukraine

    Putin isn’t fighting neo-Nazism. He nurtures it, making his pretext for invading Ukraine even more repellent.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/putin-nazi-pretext-russia-war-ukraine-belied-white-supremacy-ties-rcna23043
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  5. HeavyWater Inactive
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    It makes no sense to blame Zelensky when it was Putin who invaded Ukraine.

    Is a country’s status as an “invadee” render invalid ANY analyses of the circumstances/dynamics that preceded its attainment of said status, or just the analyses that bring up any possible role that the “invadee” itself might have played?

    It’s important to understand that this war between Russia and Ukraine is 100 percent Putin’s fault.  

    We shouldn’t put any of the blame on Ukraine or Zelensky.  

    Or is Ukraine a really special case, because … PUTIN!!!->REMEMBER STALIN 80 YEARS AGO!!!/RUSSIA->REMEMBER THE SOVIET UNION AS RECENTLY AS … 30 YEARS AGO!!! …?

    Putin is acting a lot like Stalin and Hitler.  That’s a good reason to oppose his murderous plans for Ukraine.

    PS:

    As Zafar put it, … there’s a lot of “Argle Bargle” goin’ on.

    Zafar is the one who’s doing a ton of Argle Bargle.   

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  6. HeavyWater Inactive
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    A poll released today and reported in Reuters shows that 73 percent of Americans believe that the United States should continue to support Ukraine.  

    Broken down by party affiliation, 66 percent of Republicans and 81 percent of Democrats believe that the United States should continue to support Ukraine.

    68 percent of Americans said they were more likely to support a candidate for Congress who supported continued military aid.

    The poll was conducted on Tuesday and Wednesday, October 4th and 5th of 2022.  

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  7. The Reticulator Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Putin wanted Ukraine permanently out of NATO and with a federal structure that protected the rights of the Russophone minority.

    That federal structure would be the end of Ukraine. Ukraine having to fund a Donbas government that could negotiate its own foreign alliances, under conditions of Russian intimidation, is not a situation a sovereign state could survive. 

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  8. BDB Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    If, on the other hand, they want them to stop using the Russian language in public, and are prohibiting publication in Russian in the heavy-handed way the Russians used to prohibit Ukrainian publications, that is not so good.

    That one. I can see why the Ukrainians felt the need, but still.

    I don’t understand the need to make one side all good, so they can do no wrong, and the other side evil, so they can do no good. Life is more complicated, no country is all good or all evil, or only does good, or only does wrong.

    Who here has said the Ukrainians are all good, or that the Russians were all bad?  I had a nuanced view until Putin tried to take Keeeeev.  Elections have consequences — so do invasions.

    When the last Russian soldier departs or invests Ukrainian soil, I’ll become nuanced again.  Until then, any Russian soldiers who want to live or Ukrainians wishing to live as Russians are all free to screw off to the Motherland.

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  9. BDB Inactive
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    Hang On (View Comment):
    And what would you call someone whose SBU, i.e. KGB sibling, carries out political murder on dissidents other than a thug.

    A Special Agent?

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  10. MiMac Thatcher
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

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    LOL. Zalensky and the entire kleptocratic cabal ruling Ukraine are ruthless autocrats.

    Autocrat? He was elected with >70% of the vote in a free & fair election.

    On a platform of making peace with Russia – ie implementing Minsk II. We may, or may not, think Minsk II is a good thing, but that’s what the people voted for.

    He didn’t do that – for a number of reasons, not all of them his fault.

     

    Putin didn’t want peace- takes 2 to tango. Putin wants what Churchill at Yalta said about Stalin’s peace desires – a peace of Poland & a peace of Czechoslovakia and a peace of…..

    Please provide supporting evidence for your contention that, like Churchill reportedly said about Stalin at Yalta almost 80 years ago, it can NOW be said that “Putin wants … a peace of Poland & a peace of Czechoslovakia and peace of …”.

     

    A)Putin refused a peace deal that precluded Ukraine from joining NATO and provided guarantees to the Russian minority. He rejected it. 
    https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-struck-by-aide-as-war-began/

    B) Now to point out the obvious-he just annexed pieces of Ukraine- that is the kind of piece deal he wants.

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  11. BDB Inactive
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

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    LOL. Zalensky and the entire kleptocratic cabal ruling Ukraine are ruthless autocrats.

    Autocrat? He was elected with >70% of the vote in a free & fair election.

    On a platform of making peace with Russia – ie implementing Minsk II. We may, or may not, think Minsk II is a good thing, but that’s what the people voted for.

    He didn’t do that – for a number of reasons, not all of them his fault.

     

    Putin didn’t want peace- takes 2 to tango. Putin wants what Churchill at Yalta said about Stalin’s peace desires – a peace of Poland & a peace of Czechoslovakia and a peace of…..

    Please provide supporting evidence for your contention that, like Churchill reportedly said about Stalin at Yalta almost 80 years ago, it can NOW be said that “Putin wants … a peace of Poland & a peace of Czechoslovakia and peace of …”.

    No need.  Most people understood the point.

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  12. BDB Inactive
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    Hang On (View Comment):
    Donbas and Crimea broke away because your wonderful, great Ukrainian Nazi friends started slaughtering Russians. Why are you on the side of such mass murders and thugs?

    Russian infest Ukraine because your wonderful, great Stalinist Nazi friends slaughtered millions of Ukrainians, and replaced them with transplanted Russians.  Why are you on the side of such mass murderers and thugs?

    And unlike the Ukrainians who were “reduced” in a famine trap, every single one of those “Russophone” “Ukrainians” is free to walk right on over to Russia.

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  13. BDB Inactive
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

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    @ Lockeon, thanks for the summary, but a couple of questions. Is there a fall mud season in Ukraine? In New England there is a spring mud season where the frozen deep ground does not allow the snow melt to drain, but there is not a coresponding fall mud season when the ground is warm until the snow falls.

    Fall mud season in Ukraine makes everything but paved roads impassable. It’s a slog even to walk as mud gloms onto your boots and grows and grows. Combat will grind to a halt soon. But in a couple months, the ground will be frozen solid and combat will pick up again.

    Maybe.  Winter makes the ground hard — winter makes everything hard.  @hangon‘s source says that this will be difficult for the Ukrainians but a boon to the Russians.  I don’t think so.

    I could be wrong.

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  14. GPentelie Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

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    LOL. Zalensky and the entire kleptocratic cabal ruling Ukraine are ruthless autocrats.

    Autocrat? He was elected with >70% of the vote in a free & fair election.

    On a platform of making peace with Russia – ie implementing Minsk II. We may, or may not, think Minsk II is a good thing, but that’s what the people voted for.

    He didn’t do that – for a number of reasons, not all of them his fault.

    Putin didn’t want peace- takes 2 to tango. Putin wants what Churchill at Yalta said about Stalin’s peace desires – a peace of Poland & a peace of Czechoslovakia and a peace of…..

    Please provide supporting evidence for your contention that, like Churchill reportedly said about Stalin at Yalta almost 80 years ago, it can NOW be said that “Putin wants … a peace of Poland & a peace of Czechoslovakia and peace of …”.

    No need. Most people understood the point.

    Actual people, or just purported-by-YOU ones?

    If the former, please provide evidence of them.

    If the latter, no need to, obviously.

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  15. BDB Inactive
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

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    MiMac (View Comment):

    LOL. Zalensky and the entire kleptocratic cabal ruling Ukraine are ruthless autocrats.

    Autocrat? He was elected with >70% of the vote in a free & fair election.

    On a platform of making peace with Russia – ie implementing Minsk II. We may, or may not, think Minsk II is a good thing, but that’s what the people voted for.

    He didn’t do that – for a number of reasons, not all of them his fault.

    Putin didn’t want peace- takes 2 to tango. Putin wants what Churchill at Yalta said about Stalin’s peace desires – a peace of Poland & a peace of Czechoslovakia and a peace of…..

    Please provide supporting evidence for your contention that, like Churchill reportedly said about Stalin at Yalta almost 80 years ago, it can NOW be said that “Putin wants … a peace of Poland & a peace of Czechoslovakia and peace of …”.

    No need. Most people understood the point.

    Actual people, or just purported-by-YOU ones?

    If the former, please provide evidence of them.

    If the latter, no need to, obviously.

    Actual people, I assure you.  You pretend to misunderstand the point and then get all pedantic about evidence for your chosen misunderstanding.  You’re not smarter, or funnier, or better-equipped to exist online for your hostile pedantry.  I just envy those who have already learned to ignore you.

    My mistake.

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  16. HeavyWater Inactive
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    16 years ago, Putin critic and journalist Anna Politkovskaya, was murdered.  She was one of many journalists murdered by the Kremlin’s corrupt, blood-thirsty system.

    Anna Politkovskaya was the author of the book, “A Dirty War: A Russian Reporter in Chechnya.”

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  17. Steve Fast Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

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    Chatlee (View Comment):

    @ Lockeon, thanks for the summary, but a couple of questions. Is there a fall mud season in Ukraine? In New England there is a spring mud season where the frozen deep ground does not allow the snow melt to drain, but there is not a coresponding fall mud season when the ground is warm until the snow falls.

    Fall mud season in Ukraine makes everything but paved roads impassable. It’s a slog even to walk as mud gloms onto your boots and grows and grows. Combat will grind to a halt soon. But in a couple months, the ground will be frozen solid and combat will pick up again.

    Maybe. Winter makes the ground hard — winter makes everything hard. @ hangon‘s source says that this will be difficult for the Ukrainians but a boon to the Russians. I don’t think so.

    I could be wrong.

    Agreed – winter combat is harder for everyone. Maybe it helps the defense more. But Ukraine is not as far north as Moscow or St. Petersburg, so winter is not as bitter cold. And don’t forget that Russia chose to launch its invasion in late February, when it was still freezing every night and some days and with snow on the ground. That was good weather for armor.

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  18. Steve Fast Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    How many Jews are presidents of Nazi states?

    That just proves how thoroughly Nazism controls Ukraine – even the Jewish president has become a Nazi. :-)

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  19. BDB Inactive
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

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    How many Jews are presidents of Nazi states?

    That just proves how thoroughly Nazism controls Ukraine – even the Jewish president has become a Nazi. :-)

    Oy Vey!

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  20. Zafar Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

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    How many Jews are presidents of Nazi states?

    That just proves how thoroughly Nazism controls Ukraine – even the Jewish president has become a Nazi. :-)

    Oy Vey!

    Er…ithinkitwasajoke

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  21. Zafar Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Putin wanted Ukraine permanently out of NATO and with a federal structure that protected the rights of the Russophone minority.

    That federal structure would be the end of Ukraine. Ukraine having to fund a Donbas government that could negotiate its own foreign alliances, under conditions of Russian intimidation, is not a situation a sovereign state could survive.

    Yes, but why are Ukraine’s borders more important than self determination in Donbas?

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  22. Manny Coolidge
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    The incompetence of the Russian military has been staggering.  The Russian overmatch in both troops and equipment is not supposed to have made this close.  Yeah, the Ukrainians are on home turf and fighting a defensive war, but they are now turning it around and pushing back the Russians.  They are on the offense.  The question is, I think, can Putin survive?  Will the Russian people just have had enough.  Of course I’m not living in Ukraine, but I see no reason for the Ukrainians to compromise.  

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  23. BDB Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Putin wanted Ukraine permanently out of NATO and with a federal structure that protected the rights of the Russophone minority.

    That federal structure would be the end of Ukraine. Ukraine having to fund a Donbas government that could negotiate its own foreign alliances, under conditions of Russian intimidation, is not a situation a sovereign state could survive.

    Yes, but why are Ukraine’s borders more important than self determination in Donbas?

    I don’t care ever since Russia invaded.

    And I’ll just leap ahead here in the teachers’ edition — if California votes to join Mexico, I say we bomb Sacramento.  And rename it.  In English.

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  24. Zafar Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Putin wanted Ukraine permanently out of NATO and with a federal structure that protected the rights of the Russophone minority.

    That federal structure would be the end of Ukraine. Ukraine having to fund a Donbas government that could negotiate its own foreign alliances, under conditions of Russian intimidation, is not a situation a sovereign state could survive.

    Yes, but why are Ukraine’s borders more important than self determination in Donbas?

    I don’t care ever since Russia invaded.

    Why not?

     

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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    Putin wanted Ukraine permanently out of NATO and with a federal structure that protected the rights of the Russophone minority.

    That federal structure would be the end of Ukraine. Ukraine having to fund a Donbas government that could negotiate its own foreign alliances, under conditions of Russian intimidation, is not a situation a sovereign state could survive.

    Yes, but why are Ukraine’s borders more important than self determination in Donbas?

    I don’t care ever since Russia invaded.

    Why not?

    Because Russia invaded.  Seems obvious to me. 

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  26. Flicker Coolidge
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

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    It makes no sense to blame Zelensky when it was Putin who invaded Ukraine.

    Is a country’s status as an “invadee” render invalid ANY analyses of the circumstances/dynamics that preceded its attainment of said status, or just the analyses that bring up any possible role that the “invadee” itself might have played?

    Or is Ukraine a really special case, because … PUTIN!!!->REMEMBER STALIN 80 YEARS AGO!!!/RUSSIA->REMEMBER THE SOVIET UNION AS RECENTLY AS … 30 YEARS AGO!!! …?

    PS:

    As Zafar put it, … there’s a lot of “Argle Bargle” goin’ on.

    Doesn’t “Argle Bargle” refer to any statements made during waterboarding?

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    Chatlee (View Comment):

    @ Lockeon, thanks for the summary, but a couple of questions. Is there a fall mud season in Ukraine? In New England there is a spring mud season where the frozen deep ground does not allow the snow melt to drain, but there is not a coresponding fall mud season when the ground is warm until the snow falls.

    AFAIK, Ukraine has both the spring mud season due to thaw, but also a fall mud season due to it being a rainy season. Russians are probably praying for rain about now, Ukraine the opposite.

    Also, when the Ukrainians advance what can Putin do but use chemical, biologic or nuclear weapons to remind the west why some settlement is required.

    Taking advantage of battlefield WMD attacks requires that your own troops be able to advance after the attack. The Russian reserves and mobiks appearing on the front appear to be short on even conventional warfare equipment (e.g., using T-62 tanks and equipping infantry with rusty AKs and even ancient Mosin-Nagant rifles), so it’s unlikely they have the necessary extra gear to deal with a gas, germ, or nuclear battlefield.

    Wouldn’t that assume that Russia wants “their troops” to survive?  And doesn’t giving them obsolete tanks and rusty rifles, argue against that?

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
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    iWe (View Comment):

    Here’s a video that dropped today of a Russian soldier who was drafted on the 21st, and on the line by the 25th. He googled “How to Surrender” and called the resulting hotline – and then followed instructions.

     

    Love it!

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    General Winter may have a frosty reception for the Russian Army b/c of the “a wall of lies …” and all the corruption- it seems many winter uniforms are “missing”:

    Seems to me more likely the uniforms never existed, and the funds to buy/make them instead bought/built mansions on the Black Sea etc.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Putin wanted Ukraine permanently out of NATO and with a federal structure that protected the rights of the Russophone minority.

    That federal structure would be the end of Ukraine. Ukraine having to fund a Donbas government that could negotiate its own foreign alliances, under conditions of Russian intimidation, is not a situation a sovereign state could survive.

    Yes, but why are Ukraine’s borders more important than self determination in Donbas?

    Hm, let’s try an experiment.  Send a few people to Zafar’s house, and then when the majority of everyone in that house votes to kick out Zafar, he can’t complain because they just wanted self-determination.

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