Mapping Out US Home Prices

 

“US Housing Affordability Index. Years of median household income needed to buy median house. The US group Demographia says a market with a ratio of higher than five is severely unaffordable.”

Whenever I see a heat map like this, my very first instinct is to compare it with a population density map.  Nine times out of ten there is a near 1-to-1 correlation between the two maps, but in this case there is very little correlation:

My second impulse is always to compare the heat map with the most recent voting map. In this case, while there is a little more correlation (particularly in that “southwest sweep” between Arizona and Colorado), it’s still not anywhere close to a perfect correlation.

After perusing these maps for just a few minutes, I’m left with one big question…

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON IN TENNESSEE!??!

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  1. Misthiocracy has never Member
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    BTW, you can do quick & dirty map type charts from Google spreadsheets. See here, for instance:

    https://www.howtogeek.com/744526/how-to-create-a-geographical-map-chart-in-google-sheets/

    I’ve used this a couple of times when doing analytics for non-profits.

    Can it break the data down by county?

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  2. Locke On Member
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    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    Locke On (View Comment):

    BTW, you can do quick & dirty map type charts from Google spreadsheets. See here, for instance:

    https://www.howtogeek.com/744526/how-to-create-a-geographical-map-chart-in-google-sheets/

    I’ve used this a couple of times when doing analytics for non-profits.

    Can it break the data down by county?

    It could as of a few years back, when I did a study on income vs. government property ownership in the West. I don’t remember if I needed an extension to the basic capabilities or not. Google’s more advanced functions seem to come and go – they got rid of a SQL-like feature that I had been using.

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  3. Zafar Member
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    You need an average income map for context.  That might explain Tennesee?

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  4. Locke On Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    You need an average income map for context. That might explain Tennesee?

    Yup.  One conclusion from the study I mentioned a few comments up thread:

    In many counties, particularly those in the neighborhood of government owned park or similar areas, you get very different results if you break income down into rents, interest and dividends on one hand, and salaries / small business profits on the other. Real estate can end up priced at the margin to fit the incomes in the first bucket, while the bulk of the population is in the second bucket – assuming a housing shortage which is likely given a large influx of noobs. The classic example is Teton County, Wyoming.  You might have heard it called Jackson Hole.

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  5. Kephalithos Member
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Kephalithos (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    I don’t know. It makes me wonder if anyone on Ricochet has an app that generates these heat maps?

    Then we could, if we have the tabular data at hand, create a map of the correlations that are going on.

    I’ve tried to figure out GIS mapping. It’s way harder than I expected, especially if you’re using free/open source software, of which there is surprisingly very little available. I’ve never really been about to get it to work.

    I might be able to make something with QGIS (like I did for a Ricochet piece a few years ago). But I’d need to know what to make — and which data to use.

    I am thinking of using an Excel or csv file with the ratio between pop. density and affordability for each county, if Mhasnever has access to it. A heat map would make the anomalies in correlations jump out across the whole nation.

    Probably doable, but it’d take even more data cleaning, which, as I said before, is too much work for too little reward.

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  6. Internet's Hank Contributor
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    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):
    but as relations with the USA progressively improved after the 1812 unpleasantness it meant that  Halifax’s strategic importance evaporated over time. 

    Now I’m a drunken man on a Halifax pier
    The last of Barrett’s Privateers

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  7. The Reticulator Member
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    Your social credit score would be higher if you posted links.

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  8. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    Internet's Hank (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):
    but as relations with the USA progressively improved after the 1812 unpleasantness it meant that Halifax’s strategic importance evaporated over time.

    Now I’m a drunken man on a Halifax pier
    The last of Barrett’s Privateers

    Hey, at least you got to be a privateer.

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  9. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Tennessee and Montana. Why is Montana as expensive as Los Angeles?

    Because the people selling LA homes are moving to Montana thus bidding up property values?

    Basically this for most of those spots including Tennessee. 

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  10. Internet's Hank Contributor
    Internet's Hank
    @HankRhody

    Or, and hear me out here, it’s Blackrock, who as it turns out are all massive country music fans …

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  11. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    Internet's Hank (View Comment):

    Or, and hear me out here, it’s Blackrock, who as it turns out are all massive country music fans …

    If the country music is good enough those rubes won’t notice the changes.

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  12. Internet's Hank Contributor
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Your social credit score would be higher if you posted links.

    Then for the sake of my social credit score

    Stan Rogers – Barrett’s Privateers – YouTube

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  13. Misthiocracy has never Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    You need an average income map for context. That might explain Tennesee?

    Median household income correlates almost perfectly with population density*, but doesn’t correlate much at all with housing affordability.

    * With the notable exception of a few counties in Nevada, Wyoming, and North Dakota. Are these counties hot spots for fracking?

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  14. Locke On Member
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    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):
    * With the notable exception of a few counties in Nevada, Wyoming, and North Dakota. Are these counties hot spots for fracking?

    Resource extraction generally.  Nevada is mostly gold mining.  North Wyoming has been coal, SW Wyoming is oil and gas, western ND is fracking.

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  15. Misthiocracy has never Member
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):
    * With the notable exception of a few counties in Nevada, Wyoming, and North Dakota. Are these counties hot spots for fracking?

    Resource extraction generally. Nevada is mostly gold mining. North Wyoming has been coal, SW Wyoming is oil and gas, western ND is fracking.

    Interesting how those counties don’t appear to be in the red zone on the affordability map.

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  16. Percival Thatcher
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    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    Locke On (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):
    * With the notable exception of a few counties in Nevada, Wyoming, and North Dakota. Are these counties hot spots for fracking?

    Resource extraction generally. Nevada is mostly gold mining. North Wyoming has been coal, SW Wyoming is oil and gas, western ND is fracking.

    Interesting how those counties don’t appear to be in the red zone on the affordability map.

    Those jobs pay pretty good. Brandon eliminated a lot of them, but not all.

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  17. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Maybe the distinguished author of the OP can answer my uneducated question: Canada’s largest west coast city, Vancouver, is fairly similar to US west coast cities. Both countries have big cities in the Great Lakes area, a center of commerce for almost 200 years. But on the Atlantic coast, Halifax is the only large Canadian city, whereas the US has many of its major population centers on the east coast. What’s the reason? Lack of natural harbors–er, harbours? Coastal topography? 19th century politics?

    I don’t there are significant commodities produced in Nova Scotia, PEI, NF.   Halifax has a fine port (when it isn’t exploding), but what is there to export?   Timber, tobacco, furs, cotton,… all come from south of there.  They have fish, but Europe already had fish.  The only bankable exports from Halifax are Sidney Crosby and “Rocky” Johnson.  

    Musquodoboit Harbour, Nova Scotia 2022: Best Places to Visit - Tripadvisor

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  18. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    You need an average income map for context. That might explain Tennesee?

    I’d like to see a map colored by years of teacher salary to buy a 3 bedroom home.

    This is one for Calif.

    A nice home affordability map from Harvard.

    And a nice map from 2017 data from Fed.

    Map 3. Rate of housing cost burden among homeowner households, 2017. See accessible link for data description.

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  19. Locke On Member
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    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    Locke On (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):
    * With the notable exception of a few counties in Nevada, Wyoming, and North Dakota. Are these counties hot spots for fracking?

    Resource extraction generally. Nevada is mostly gold mining. North Wyoming has been coal, SW Wyoming is oil and gas, western ND is fracking.

    Interesting how those counties don’t appear to be in the red zone on the affordability map.

    You need to drive through them to understand.  It’s the character of the housing, and how cyclic the businesses tend to be.  There’s a lot of single/double-wides, many of them company owned, and some presumably by local rental outfits. In booms it scales up easily, in busts the worst ones end up scrapped – often moldering away out in the sagebrush. A lot of the permanent housing is also low-end, some prefabs or stick built on simple plans. Everyone knows the next bust might be just around the corner, and they might be forced to move, or downsize a business, under the worst circumstances.

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  20. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    This is Klaus Schwab dream – you will own nothing and love it 

    (Klaus will still have his stiff – but you won’t)

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  21. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):
    Indeed. Much of red area in the west… has no water.

    Again, that would presumably help contribute to affordability in those areas, since the property owner would have to cover more of the cost of infrastructure like water and electricity and whatnot.

    As such, I’m not too flabbergasted by affordability in the west. It makes sense to me.

    But Tennessee? I really don’t get why Tennessee is such an outlier.

    Please don’t say Al Gore.  

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  22. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):
    Indeed. Much of red area in the west… has no water.

    Again, that would presumably help contribute to affordability in those areas, since the property owner would have to cover more of the cost of infrastructure like water and electricity and whatnot.

    As such, I’m not too flabbergasted by affordability in the west. It makes sense to me.

    But Tennessee? I really don’t get why Tennessee is such an outlier.

    Please don’t say Al Gore.

    I don’t know, where did he buy his giant mansion?

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  23. Percival Thatcher
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    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):
    Indeed. Much of red area in the west… has no water.

    Again, that would presumably help contribute to affordability in those areas, since the property owner would have to cover more of the cost of infrastructure like water and electricity and whatnot.

    As such, I’m not too flabbergasted by affordability in the west. It makes sense to me.

    But Tennessee? I really don’t get why Tennessee is such an outlier.

    Please don’t say Al Gore.

    I don’t know, where did he buy his giant mansion?

    He bought it with the money he made selling indulgences carbon credits from his environmental company.

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  24. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):
    Indeed. Much of red area in the west… has no water.

    Again, that would presumably help contribute to affordability in those areas, since the property owner would have to cover more of the cost of infrastructure like water and electricity and whatnot.

    As such, I’m not too flabbergasted by affordability in the west. It makes sense to me.

    But Tennessee? I really don’t get why Tennessee is such an outlier.

    Please don’t say Al Gore.

    I don’t know, where did he buy his giant mansion?

    He bought it with the money he made selling indulgences carbon credits from his environmental company.

    And selling his TV station to Qatar! But that’s how he made the money, not where he bought it. If he bought it in TN it’d drive the average up wouldn’t it?

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  25. Percival Thatcher
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    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):
    Indeed. Much of red area in the west… has no water.

    Again, that would presumably help contribute to affordability in those areas, since the property owner would have to cover more of the cost of infrastructure like water and electricity and whatnot.

    As such, I’m not too flabbergasted by affordability in the west. It makes sense to me.

    But Tennessee? I really don’t get why Tennessee is such an outlier.

    Please don’t say Al Gore.

    I don’t know, where did he buy his giant mansion?

    He bought it with the money he made selling indulgences carbon credits from his environmental company.

    And selling his TV station to Qatar! But that’s how he made the money, not where he bought it. If he bought it in TN it’d drive the average up wouldn’t it?

    I don’t care where he is as long as he’s nowhere near here.

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  26. Nathanael Ferguson Contributor
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Tennessee and Montana. Why is Montana as expensive as Los Angeles?

    Because the people selling LA homes are moving to Montana thus bidding up property values?

    That’s what they’re doing in the Austin area. 

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  27. Nathanael Ferguson Contributor
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    Water can be moved, if there is political will to do it.

    You may want to consider pursuing a career as a water diplomat to negotiate between East Texas and West Texas. We need someone with your mentality in Texas. 

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  28. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Several things to add to this discussion, both being reports from a friend living in Reno, NV. (The Friendliest Big Little City In The USA.)

    The illegally operating Calif State Franchise Tax Board is upping its surveillance and harassment to the point that multi millionaires are fleeing California.

    They are buying 3/4s of a million to  multi million dollar residences in the Sparks/Reno area. The millionaires  don’t actually live in these places, but they also are careful not to rent them out as then they can’t be considered citizens of Nevada.

    So for the next  two years, these homes will sit empty. Some upscale neighborhoods are now  occupied by half of these non-occupants. This is of course increasing the price of housing in Nevada.

    End of report one.

     

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  29. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Locke On (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    You need an average income map for context. That might explain Tennesee?

    Yup. One conclusion from the study I mentioned a few comments up thread:

    In many counties, particularly those in the neighborhood of government owned park or similar areas, you get very different results if you break income down into rents, interest and dividends on one hand, and salaries / small business profits on the other. Real estate can end up priced at the margin to fit the incomes in the first bucket, while the bulk of the population is in the second bucket – assuming a housing shortage which is likely given a large influx of noobs. The classic example is Teton County, Wyoming. You might have heard it called Jackson Hole.

    This bucketing of so much housing in resort areas being for the “haves”  rather than the “have nots” ends up having affected the restaurant and hospitality industries for much of 2021 and 2022.

    If there  is little housing available for the have nots, they must live outside that area.

    Whereas under Trump, people could fill up their gas tanks for 40 bucks and drive into Mr & Mrs Rich Man’s Land to work as a cashier, waiter, waitress, bar keep etc, but then when gas went sky high, those people making low hourly wages simply quit working. Why stand on your feet eight to ten hours a day just to pay off your bill at the gas station?

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  30. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Report two out of Nevada:

    My friend who was my informant for my prior Nevada report also offered up the following information.

    Reno Nevada had quite a bit of “low rent” hotels, places where an individual who was semi on the skids could live for 85 to 125 bucks a week. Not exactly suitable for a young executive’s life  style, but far better, I would think, than living in your car.

    As time went on, more of these places were demolished. Then over the last several months, the final remaining transient hotels and motels have been bought up.

    Usually the land is cleared and a very upscale resort hotel and spa goes in as the replacement.

    Now the same forces that have bought up the transient hotels are going after buying up the land where trailer parks are operating. The trailer park residents will probably have six months to a year to re-locate.

    But where will they go? In addition to the price of even shabby rental apartments having exploded over the past two years, their outlook is dismal. After all  the trailer that they purchased not so long ago is now no longer a financial resource but a burden. Who will buy a trailer from someone if there are no longer trailer parks where the trailer can be permanently installed?

     

     

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