Political Violence in America

 

A young man of 18 was killed after a political debate became heated. The accused killer has defended himself by saying the teen was a Republican extremist.

Brandt “stated that he struck the pedestrian because the pedestrian was threatening him. Brandt stated that the pedestrian called some people and Brandt was afraid they were coming to get him.”

The young man had called his mother to come get him, because someone was chasing him, and in retaliation for his call for help, he was killed.

The friends and family of Cayler Elingson have set up a GoFundMe, to help the family with funeral, legal and other expenses in this very difficult time for them.

Brandt has been charged, and released on $50 000 bail, pending trial.

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  1. Stina Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Bunsen (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    But we can’t blame all 81 million people who voted for him.

    Yes we can. They knew what they were getting.

    Especially the Biden voters at Ricochet. They should have known quite well. We warned them over and over.

    They didn’t listen because they styled themselves smart and we were the dummies who were voting the awful Orange Man.

    Well, . . . better the Orange man than the one in the red suit, pointed tail and horns — which is who they got.

    I know by your history here that you’ll never agree with me. I’m okay with that.

    The attitude of blaming every single Biden voter for this will lead to more violence. You can’t have it both ways on this. It’s wrong to blame all 74 million Trump voters for Jan. 6. It’s also wrong to blame all Biden voters for this violence.

    If we continue to act that way, then we are making political opponents into enemies who want us all dead. That’s the same type of rhetoric that leads to what happened in ND or the Congressional baseball shooting. It makes violence more and more likely. You’re adopting the very same rhetoric that you are justifiably mad at Biden and the Left for. Dehumanizing your opponents is wrong regardless of who is doing it.

    Don’t care. I’m gonna blame them all anyway. Didn’t say I was going to kill them. (That’s what Democrats do.) But I’m sure as hell gonna blame them.

    @ MDHahn – they WANT us dead! They already made the choice of violence (POTUS Red Speech and everytime they open their mouths). I am with Drew, Don’t Care and there is a hell of lot we can do without resorting to violence.

    You really think all 81 million want us dead? That’s nuts. What are our options short of violence? If they really want us dead, then they can’t be reasoned with, right?

    Maybe read Ephesians 6 and figure out how war analogies work.

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  2. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    But we can’t blame all 81 million people who voted for him.

    Yes we can. They knew what they were getting.

    Especially the Biden voters at Ricochet. They should have known quite well. We warned them over and over.

    They didn’t listen because they styled themselves smart and we were the dummies who were voting the awful Orange Man.

    Well, . . . better the Orange man than the one in the red suit, pointed tail and horns — which is who they got.

    I know by your history here that you’ll never agree with me. I’m okay with that.

    The attitude of blaming every single Biden voter for this will lead to more violence. You can’t have it both ways on this. It’s wrong to blame all 74 million Trump voters for Jan. 6. It’s also wrong to blame all Biden voters for this violence.

    If we continue to act that way, then we are making political opponents into enemies who want us all dead. That’s the same type of rhetoric that leads to what happened in ND or the Congressional baseball shooting. It makes violence more and more likely. You’re adopting the very same rhetoric that you are justifiably mad at Biden and the Left for. Dehumanizing your opponents is wrong regardless of who is doing it.

    Don’t care. I’m gonna blame them all anyway. Didn’t say I was going to kill them. (That’s what Democrats do.) But I’m sure as hell gonna blame them.

    I do not think that want us dead, they want us to submit 

     

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    I do not think that want us dead, they want us to submit

    True. If they killed us all, they’d be forced to start terrorizing each other, because a power heirarchy is required for their sense of value.

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  4. EDISONPARKS Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Bunsen (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    But we can’t blame all 81 million people who voted for him.

    Yes we can. They knew what they were getting.

    Especially the Biden voters at Ricochet. They should have known quite well. We warned them over and over.

    They didn’t listen because they styled themselves smart and we were the dummies who were voting the awful Orange Man.

    Well, . . . better the Orange man than the one in the red suit, pointed tail and horns — which is who they got.

    I know by your history here that you’ll never agree with me. I’m okay with that.

    The attitude of blaming every single Biden voter for this will lead to more violence. You can’t have it both ways on this. It’s wrong to blame all 74 million Trump voters for Jan. 6. It’s also wrong to blame all Biden voters for this violence.

    If we continue to act that way, then we are making political opponents into enemies who want us all dead. That’s the same type of rhetoric that leads to what happened in ND or the Congressional baseball shooting. It makes violence more and more likely. You’re adopting the very same rhetoric that you are justifiably mad at Biden and the Left for. Dehumanizing your opponents is wrong regardless of who is doing it.

    Don’t care. I’m gonna blame them all anyway. Didn’t say I was going to kill them. (That’s what Democrats do.) But I’m sure as hell gonna blame them.

    @ MDHahn – they WANT us dead! They already made the choice of violence (POTUS Red Speech and everytime they open their mouths). I am with Drew, Don’t Care and there is a hell of lot we can do without resorting to violence.

    You really think all 81 million want us dead? That’s nuts. What are our options short of violence? If they really want us dead, then they can’t be reasoned with, right?

    While “all want us dead” is certainly hyperbole, the Leftist woke agenda of marginalizing, shaming, condoning bigotry of select groups(ie: Evangelicals), censoring, jailing the opposition(ie: Jan 6 protesters and those accused violence) certainly is moving in a dangerous direction.  

    In the past moving in this totalitarian direction would be illuminated and condemned by the Fourth Estate, unfortunately today the dominant MSM along with BigTech is a major promoter of the frightening Lefty totalitarian trend.

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    In the past moving in this totalitarian direction would be illuminated and condemned by the Fourth Estate, unfortunately today the dominant MSM along with BigTech is a major promoter of the frightening Lefty totalitarian trend.

    This is because the media is absolutely controlled by US Intelligence Agencies.

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  6. MDHahn Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Bunsen (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    But we can’t blame all 81 million people who voted for him.

    Yes we can. They knew what they were getting.

    Especially the Biden voters at Ricochet. They should have known quite well. We warned them over and over.

    They didn’t listen because they styled themselves smart and we were the dummies who were voting the awful Orange Man.

    Well, . . . better the Orange man than the one in the red suit, pointed tail and horns — which is who they got.

    I know by your history here that you’ll never agree with me. I’m okay with that.

    The attitude of blaming every single Biden voter for this will lead to more violence. You can’t have it both ways on this. It’s wrong to blame all 74 million Trump voters for Jan. 6. It’s also wrong to blame all Biden voters for this violence.

    If we continue to act that way, then we are making political opponents into enemies who want us all dead. That’s the same type of rhetoric that leads to what happened in ND or the Congressional baseball shooting. It makes violence more and more likely. You’re adopting the very same rhetoric that you are justifiably mad at Biden and the Left for. Dehumanizing your opponents is wrong regardless of who is doing it.

    Don’t care. I’m gonna blame them all anyway. Didn’t say I was going to kill them. (That’s what Democrats do.) But I’m sure as hell gonna blame them.

    @ MDHahn – they WANT us dead! They already made the choice of violence (POTUS Red Speech and everytime they open their mouths). I am with Drew, Don’t Care and there is a hell of lot we can do without resorting to violence.

    You really think all 81 million want us dead? That’s nuts. What are our options short of violence? If they really want us dead, then they can’t be reasoned with, right?

    Maybe read Ephesians 6 and figure out how war analogies work.

    Don’t try that BS with me. This isn’t like Paul’s letter at all.

    Drew isn’t using imagery or analogy. He said pretty clearly that Biden voters want us dead. There is no ambiguity there. It’s no different than the rhetoric we’ve been complaining about on the Left for years. When Bernie runs around talking about evil millionaires and billionaires and calling for revolution, that can get dangerous. He never called for anyone to commit violence, but some nut took it seriously and tried to kill a bunch of GOP congressmen. 

    Drew says they chose violence. Well, what does that mean for us? I assume he doesn’t mean that mere words are violence, so how do we respond? 

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  7. EDISONPARKS Member
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    @user_54742

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    In the past moving in this totalitarian direction would be illuminated and condemned by the Fourth Estate, unfortunately today the dominant MSM along with BigTech is a major promoter of the frightening Lefty totalitarian trend.

    This is because the media is absolutely controlled by US Intelligence Agencies.

    Much of the MSM certainly appear to enjoy having their talking points drafted by the IC.

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  8. Stina Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Bunsen (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    But we can’t blame all 81 million people who voted for him.

     

    Well, . . . better the Orange man than the one in the red suit, pointed tail and horns — which is who they got.

    I know by your history here that you’ll never agree with me. I’m okay with that.

    The attitude of blaming every single Biden voter for this will lead to more violence. You can’t have it both ways on this. It’s wrong to blame all 74 million Trump voters for Jan. 6. It’s also wrong to blame all Biden voters for this violence.

    If we continue to act that way, then we are making political opponents into enemies who want us all dead. That’s the same type of rhetoric that leads to what happened in ND or the Congressional baseball shooting. It makes violence more and more likely. You’re adopting the very same rhetoric that you are justifiably mad at Biden and the Left for. Dehumanizing your opponents is wrong regardless of who is doing it.

    Don’t care. I’m gonna blame them all anyway. Didn’t say I was going to kill them. (That’s what Democrats do.) But I’m sure as hell gonna blame them.

    @ MDHahn – they WANT us dead! They already made the choice of violence (POTUS Red Speech and everytime they open their mouths). I am with Drew, Don’t Care and there is a hell of lot we can do without resorting to violence.

    You really think all 81 million want us dead? That’s nuts. What are our options short of violence? If they really want us dead, then they can’t be reasoned with, right?

    Maybe read Ephesians 6 and figure out how war analogies work.

    Don’t try that BS with me. This isn’t like Paul’s letter at all.

    Drew isn’t using imagery or analogy. He said pretty clearly that Biden voters want us dead. There is no ambiguity there. It’s no different than the rhetoric we’ve been complaining about on the Left for years. When Bernie runs around talking about evil millionaires and billionaires and calling for revolution, that can get dangerous. He never called for anyone to commit violence, but some nut took it seriously and tried to kill a bunch of GOP congressmen.

    Drew says they chose violence. Well, what does that mean for us? I assume he doesn’t mean that mere words are violence, so how do we respond?

    And Jesus said the world would revile you and do worse to you than it did to him. So you shove your BS. You think that warning of others’ hatred means wanting people dead. You are wrong.

    • #38
  9. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    This world will be split in two -those who love truth and those who love the world. It is already happening. While libertarians may point to the growing number of Christian’s on the right and the shrinking numbers on the left as a sign of the right’s extremism, it is simply the end result of a bifurcation where there is no way to compromise.

    There are still fence sitters. And they think things can go back to normal. They hate that the right accurately points out that the left hates them and wants to destroy them. They do. That’s what lovers of the world want to do to people who love truth more. Some would prefer to be on the side of truth, but it’s just easier to compromise with the world and peacefully exist.

    The lovers of truth are shouting NO! Now is the time to stand firm! To fight back! Put on your armor and don’t back down! And the fence sitters cry about war analogies. You are just as bad as they are!

    But all the truth guys are saying is not to compromise the truth. Don’t give in. Stand strong, be courageous. It requires a warrior’s spirit to stand up for what is right even though you are mocked or harmed for it. It creates division. When the world only accepts your compromise, there can be no peaceful coexistence. There is going to be conflict. Embrace it.

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  10. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    They set bail for Kyle Rittenhouse at 2 million dollars even though there was video evidence he was acting in self-defense.

    They set bail at 50,000 dollars for that monster who killed a teen with his car over a political dispute. 

    Two-tier justice system.

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  11. Western Chauvinist Member
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    But we can’t blame all 81 million people who voted for him.

    Yes we can. They knew what they were getting.

    Especially the Biden voters at Ricochet. They should have known quite well. We warned them over and over.

    They didn’t listen because they styled themselves smart and we were the dummies who were voting the awful Orange Man.

    Well, . . . better the Orange man than the one in the red suit, pointed tail and horns — which is who they got.

    I know by your history here that you’ll never agree with me. I’m okay with that.

    The attitude of blaming every single Biden voter for this will lead to more violence. You can’t have it both ways on this. It’s wrong to blame all 74 million Trump voters for Jan. 6. It’s also wrong to blame all Biden voters for this violence.

    If we continue to act that way, then we are making political opponents into enemies who want us all dead. That’s the same type of rhetoric that leads to what happened in ND or the Congressional baseball shooting. It makes violence more and more likely. You’re adopting the very same rhetoric that you are justifiably mad at Biden and the Left for. Dehumanizing your opponents is wrong regardless of who is doing it.

    Don’t care. I’m gonna blame them all anyway. Didn’t say I was going to kill them. (That’s what Democrats do.) But I’m sure as hell gonna blame them.

    I do not think that want us dead, they want us to submit

     

    Or die. We really are the obstacles to their utopia. The cause of their suffering. Of all that is evil in the world.

    If we’re marched off to camps some day, I would expect some of my neighbors would feel regret — regret that we didn’t come around to their worldview. But they’d just shake their heads and think we had it coming.

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  12. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    I do not think that want us dead, they want us to submit

    True. If they killed us all, they’d be forced to start terrorizing each other, because a power heirarchy is required for their sense of value.

    Oh, they’ll terrorize each other. That part is baked into the cake. Their side will break down into the side that believes they won’t (the victims) and the rest (the power-drunk ones).

     

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  13. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Styxhexenhammer: (WARNING spicy language):

    Tim Pool reports:

    Civil war theories?

     

    Later on, after a stiff drink, I’m going to read the youtube comments to see how many sacks of used food support this killer. My conservative estimate is 40% of those who comment do.

    These aren’t channels that youtube promotes, so most of the comments will be from people already subscribed; if you wish to look up horrible Leftist comments, you’ll need to search for ‘mainstream’ video clips on the murder (though many of them will preemptively disable comments).

    • #43
  14. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    @lowtech redneck

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    They set bail for Kyle Rittenhouse at 2 million dollars even though there was video evidence he was acting in self-defense.

    They set bail at 50,000 dollars for that monster who killed a teen with his car over a political dispute.

    Two-tier justice system.

    I heard that they’re also only charging him with vehicular manslaughter.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    They set bail for Kyle Rittenhouse at 2 million dollars even though there was video evidence he was acting in self-defense.

    They set bail at 50,000 dollars for that monster who killed a teen with his car over a political dispute.

    Two-tier justice system.

    I heard that they’re also only charging him with vehicular manslaughter.

    I would expect “justifiable homicide” or something.  But maybe that’s still to come.

    • #45
  16. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    The fruit of Biden’s poisonous cannot figure out “Red Speech.”

    The fruit of democratic rhetoric going back to 2015, if not 1944.

    I cannot figure out “1944.” 

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  17. MDHahn Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    They set bail for Kyle Rittenhouse at 2 million dollars even though there was video evidence he was acting in self-defense.

    They set bail at 50,000 dollars for that monster who killed a teen with his car over a political dispute.

    Two-tier justice system.

    I heard that they’re also only charging him with vehicular manslaughter.

    I would expect “justifiable homicide” or something. But maybe that’s still to come.

    That’s a defense to the charges, not a charge itself. He’d also need to identify a reasonable belief that he feared for his life. That sounds pretty unlikely at this point.

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  18. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    The fruit of Biden’s poisonous cannot figure out “Red Speech.”

    The fruit of democratic rhetoric going back to 2015, if not 1944.

    I cannot figure out “1944.”

    Republican candidate, Thomas Dewey in the 1944 election becomes the first republican to be smeared as a “Nazi” by democrats clinging to power by hook, crook, and stuffed ballot box…

    Roosevelt was already in failing health, he would die 6 months after the election, now that I am thinking about it, Democrats are in a similar position today. They’re stuck with a candidate in poor health, who can’t govern, campaign or find his way off a podium… (Except of coarse this Roosevelt guy accomplished something)

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    They set bail for Kyle Rittenhouse at 2 million dollars even though there was video evidence he was acting in self-defense.

    They set bail at 50,000 dollars for that monster who killed a teen with his car over a political dispute.

    Two-tier justice system.

    I heard that they’re also only charging him with vehicular manslaughter.

    I would expect “justifiable homicide” or something. But maybe that’s still to come.

    That’s a defense to the charges, not a charge itself. He’d also need to identify a reasonable belief that he feared for his life. That sounds pretty unlikely at this point.

    That would normally be a defense, yes.  But these days, especially after Biden’s “Red” speech, it could easily be claimed that killing MAGA people is charged as “justifiable homicide.”  Punishable by a token penalty if anything, with a parade, medal ceremony, and speeches.

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  20. Barfly Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    The fruit of Biden’s poisonous “Red Speech.”

    The fruit of democratic rhetoric going back to 2015, if not 1944.

    Keep going. They’ve been making their living from the same lie since language started.

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  21. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    The fruit of Biden’s poisonous “Red Speech.”

    The fruit of democratic rhetoric going back to 2015, if not 1944.

    Keep going. They’ve been making their living from the same lie since language started.

    Isnt it funny. Democrats keep claiming that the racists switched parties in the 1960s. (other than Strom Thurmond, there is no evidence of it) But now republicans can claim that Joe McCarthy and the NeoCons have switched parties. 

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    But now republicans can claim that Joe McCarthy and the NeoCons have switched parties.

    To be fair, The original NeoCons were Democrats. So they didn’t switch parties, they just returned to their natural home.

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  23. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    But now republicans can claim that Joe McCarthy and the NeoCons have switched parties.

    To be fair, The original NeoCons were Democrats. So they didn’t switch parties, they just returned to their natural home.

    OK, I was only aware of the term back going back to the 80s, when it was in reference to the Reagan left overs.

    • #53
  24. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    The fruit of Biden’s poisonous cannot figure out “Red Speech.”

    The fruit of democratic rhetoric going back to 2015, if not 1944.

    I cannot figure out “1944.”

    Republican candidate, Thomas Dewey in the 1944 election becomes the first republican to be smeared as a “Nazi” by democrats clinging to power by hook, crook, and stuffed ballot box…

    Roosevelt was already in failing health, he would die 6 months after the election, now that I am thinking about it, Democrats are in a similar position today. They’re stuck with a candidate in poor health, who can’t govern, campaign or find his way off a podium… (Except of coarse this Roosevelt guy accomplished something)

    Thank you!

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