Federal vs. Federal

 

It is hard to talk about a federal government in the United States without creating confusion. There is a federal government system of decentralized power among the central government and the several states; and there is the central government known as the federal government. Officers of the central government are known as federal officers. Officers of the state governments are known as state officers even though their powers are derived from a federal system.

On the other hand the central government is doing so much these days to eliminate the state governments that one of these days it won’t matter. State officers will be (and arguably already are de facto) subordinate federal officers. Liberty dies in de-federation.

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  1. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    Yes, this leads to confusion.  I try to use the words “national” and “state” and “federalism”.     I need to get a bumper sticker that says “Subsidiarity!” 

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  2. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Rodin: Officers of the state governments are known as state officers even though their powers are derived from a federal system.

    I’m going to dispute the accuracy of the last portion of this statement. I interpret the powers of the states’ officers in accordance with the Tenth Amendment which means some of their powers are sovereign and some are the exercise of re-delegated powers from the Federal government, those federal powers having been delegated to the central government by the states.

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  3. Bob Thompson Member
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    @BobThompson

    The form of our federal government today is in complete contradiction to the intent of the founders and the content of the Constitution they provided. Of course, a good deal of that contravention has been promulgated through amendments, the 16th and 17th,  I will list because I can say what damage they have caused to the original intent Other amendments have changed things in ways to which I am not familiar enough to speak. Our central government today acts like a national government leaving little space for federalism to operate.

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  4. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Rodin: There is a federal government system of decentralized power among the central government and the several states;

    Isn’t that called federalISM, rather than a “federal government system?”

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  5. Fritz Coolidge
    Fritz
    @Fritz

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    The form of our federal government today is in complete contradiction to the intent of the founders and the content of the Constitution they provided. Of course, a good deal of that contravention has been promulgated through amendments, the 16th and 17th, I will list because I can say what damage they have caused to the original intent Other amendments have changed things in ways to which I am not familiar enough to speak. Our central government today acts like a national government leaving little space for federalism to operate.

    Agreed, and I would add that, where an action is prohibited to the federal government but not prohibited from the states, Congress loves to incent the states to do what the feds cannot, by larding up a bill with lotsa money, money, sweet money that otherwise the governors might have either to do without, or else raise from their own state residents’ taxes. It’s a cozy little scam to work around the Constitution. Like George Carlin said, “It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.”.

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  6. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
    Gazpacho Grande'
    @ChrisCampion

    Fritz (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    The form of our federal government today is in complete contradiction to the intent of the founders and the content of the Constitution they provided. Of course, a good deal of that contravention has been promulgated through amendments, the 16th and 17th, I will list because I can say what damage they have caused to the original intent Other amendments have changed things in ways to which I am not familiar enough to speak. Our central government today acts like a national government leaving little space for federalism to operate.

    Agreed, and I would add that, where an action is prohibited to the federal government but not prohibited from the states, Congress loves to incent the states to do what the feds cannot, by larding up a bill with lotsa money, money, sweet money that otherwise the governors might have either to do without, or else raise from their own state residents’ taxes. It’s a cozy little scam to work around the Constitution. Like George Carlin said, “It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.”.

    Most states’ health care budgets are highly dependent upon Medicare/Medicaid grants.  Add in every other smaller influx of federal dollars and the states are attached at the hip to the federal budget.

    Which is not federalism.

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  7. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Yes, this leads to confusion. I try to use the words “national” and “state” and “federalism”. I need to get a bumper sticker that says “Subsidiarity!”

    I refer you to Article 1 of the Constitution which clearly states in words that ring down the centuries, “you’re not the boss of me!” 

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    The map needs to be updated with Mississippi’s new flag.

    Mississippi state flag: Voters approve magnolia design in Ballot Measure 3  - CNNPolitics

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  9. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The map needs to be updated with Mississippi’s new flag.

    Mississippi state flag: Voters approve magnolia design in Ballot Measure 3- CNNPolitics

    I had no idea they had adopted the pansy as their State Flower. 

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