Diagnosis of Mental Illness

 

One of the great advances of medicine in the 20th century was the ability to accurately diagnose patients. It is something we take for granted today. Indeed, when the story is about a misdiagnosis, it makes the news “I was told I had bug bite, now it is Stage IV Cancer!” The New York Post loves these. We know if we can get a correct diagnosis, there can often be the correct treatment, or at least, we know there is no good treatment but the knowledge itself confers power. This works great for many medical issues. It does not work as well for mental illness.

What we diagnose today as mental illnesses are really syndromes. A syndrome is defined as a group of symptoms that consistently occur together, or a condition characterized by a set of associated symptoms. That’s not really the same as swab culture and finding out you have a strep throat infection. The symptoms of strep throat together are the syndrome. The definitive diagnosis comes from the test. Now, doctors don’t need the test, because, let’s face it, the symptoms of strep throat are pretty similar between people, but we can be sure.

In a mental illness, there is no blood test. There is no brain scan. There is no looking at neurotransmitter levels. There are symptoms. Oh, brain scans can show “features associated with …” and we know that increasing serotonin tends to increase mood. In some people. For some depressions. Maybe. Of course, the level in serotonin varies from person to person, and one person can have lower levels than another and not be depressed. What we have is a cluster of symptoms as a starting point. These get redefined. When I started out 30 years ago, doctors talked about “Agitated Depression.” This was when someone had low mood, lack of interest in pleasure, and often hopelessness but did not have depression’s normal lack of energy. This is not called “Agitated Depression” any longer. Today that is “Bipolar Mixed State.” Same group of symptoms, different syndrome.

When it comes to treatment, there is a wide range of various medications and therapy techniques. We can start with our diagnosis and try various things to see what works. It is not a science. Why is it that one antidepressant works for every member of a family but one? No one can really say. We have some gene testing that can point to how a person will be expected to metabolize some medications, but that is hyped more than it is actually effective. Finding the right medication is an art of trial and error. Of course, with therapy, there are many evidence-based practices that have a variety of proven effects. None of which will matter if the fit between the therapist and the client is poor (which is its own post, I think). Sometimes finding that right fit is also a challenge. And sometimes, the secondary benefits from the mental illness are “too good” to give up. Even when some people are miserable, they can hang on to the devil that they know.

This leaves us in a situation that is oddly modern and ancient. Before modern medicine, there was little good way to diagnose illness, and even when they got it, well, the treatments often ranged from ineffective to deadly. We are better off than that in mental health these days, but remember, lobotomies were a “Best Practice” in the mid-20th Century. Medical providers and therapists work with their clients to find the right approach. The client ends up doing the heavy lifting. Working on one’s mental health is not a passive experience.

As a therapist, I take mental health diagnoses by another provider as a starting point. Yes, I have to diagnose to make third-party payers (insurance) happy (though not for self-pay clients). Yes, it can be useful to know “This client has Bipolar I.” It will guide the questions I ask them about the past and inform the education I give them. It will not, however, be how I see them. They are not “Bipolar,” they have a “Bipolar disorder” and my job is to help them both learn to manage that illness and all the other parts of their life that are not reduced to meaningless due to a diagnosis.

I hope this rather high-level view helps. If you have specific questions, please ask them, and I am happy to respond.

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  1. Flicker Coolidge
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    This might enlighten, if you dare.

    Alzheimer’s can be temporarily diminished by Tylenol. The individual needs the same amount it takes when suffering a bad cold. This was researched in the mid 1990’s but then the astounding discovery was buried. (Note to people who are caring for an Alzheimer patient – in the mid 1990’s, most Alzheimer patients had no0 pharmaceutical meds. If your relative is on Big Pharma meds, you would have to ask the pharmacist or dr if Tylenol would work okay in conjunction with the current prescribed meds.) I don’t know that Tylenol cures the Alzheimer’s outright. But it definitely can lift the severity of it.

    Bipolar condition can be wiped out by chlorine dioxide, also known as MMS. That is such a cheap treatment that it has never been “properly” investigated. Also the FDA has put out the word that it will kill those who take it. (Funny thing is, I know of 3 individuals who used it as a prophylactic against COVID. None ever got COVID, and all are still very much alive despite the FDA warning.)

    Depression – even very extreme cases of it – can lift immediately if the depressed individual uses care in their diet to not ingest any MSG. MSG is in almost all breaded products like fish fillets and fish cakes, coatings for chicken. In almost all store bought pastries and other baked good. Even in Newman ‘s rather pricey “organic” cookies.

    Food labels now almost never include the expression “MSG.” But the substitute wording is “spices” “natural flavoring” or “modified tapioca starch” “modified corn starch” or any modified anything starch.

    Lack of sleep can force an individual into a schizoid state of being. I wish that there would be intense research into how it is lack of sleep induces it. Maybe there are researchers out there who have studied the chemical cascade that occurs when an individual is 20 to 50 hours behind in their needed sleep. If that situation was well understood, maybe schizophrenia could be remedied as well.

    This is patent nonsense.

    Patented?

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    This might enlighten, if you dare.

    Alzheimer’s can be temporarily diminished by Tylenol. The individual needs the same amount it takes when suffering a bad cold. This was researched in the mid 1990’s but then the astounding discovery was buried. (Note to people who are caring for an Alzheimer patient – in the mid 1990’s, most Alzheimer patients had no0 pharmaceutical meds. If your relative is on Big Pharma meds, you would have to ask the pharmacist or dr if Tylenol would work okay in conjunction with the current prescribed meds.) I don’t know that Tylenol cures the Alzheimer’s outright. But it definitely can lift the severity of it.

    Bipolar condition can be wiped out by chlorine dioxide, also known as MMS. That is such a cheap treatment that it has never been “properly” investigated. Also the FDA has put out the word that it will kill those who take it. (Funny thing is, I know of 3 individuals who used it as a prophylactic against COVID. None ever got COVID, and all are still very much alive despite the FDA warning.)

    Depression – even very extreme cases of it – can lift immediately if the depressed individual uses care in their diet to not ingest any MSG. MSG is in almost all breaded products like fish fillets and fish cakes, coatings for chicken. In almost all store bought pastries and other baked good. Even in Newman ‘s rather pricey “organic” cookies.

    Food labels now almost never include the expression “MSG.” But the substitute wording is “spices” “natural flavoring” or “modified tapioca starch” “modified corn starch” or any modified anything starch.

    Lack of sleep can force an individual into a schizoid state of being. I wish that there would be intense research into how it is lack of sleep induces it. Maybe there are researchers out there who have studied the chemical cascade that occurs when an individual is 20 to 50 hours behind in their needed sleep. If that situation was well understood, maybe schizophrenia could be remedied as well.

    This is patent nonsense.

    Agreed. I’d refute it, but why bother? Nothing I am going to say will change her mind. 

     

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    Agreed. I’d refute it, but why bother? Nothing I am going to say will change her mind. 

     

    I agree, but in the nicest way.  I like Carol.  I just wanted to push back against this absurd batch of no-doubt well-intended stuff. 

    Wishful thinking at best.  Harmful if believed by those in need, but it’s a free country.  As such, nonsense can and must (there he goes!) be called nonsense.  Even by friends.  

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    Agreed. I’d refute it, but why bother? Nothing I am going to say will change her mind.

    I agree, but in the nicest way. I like Carol. I just wanted to push back against this absurd batch of no-doubt well-intended stuff.

    Wishful thinking at best. Harmful if believed by those in need, but it’s a free country. As such, nonsense can and must (there he goes!) be called nonsense. Even by friends.

    I say nothing about the details because I know nothing. But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

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    Agreed. I’d refute it, but why bother? Nothing I am going to say will change her mind.

    I agree, but in the nicest way. I like Carol. I just wanted to push back against this absurd batch of no-doubt well-intended stuff.

    Wishful thinking at best. Harmful if believed by those in need, but it’s a free country. As such, nonsense can and must (there he goes!) be called nonsense. Even by friends.

    I say nothing about the details because I know nothing. But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

    I think it’s a circular relationship. People with some rough mental illness tend not to sleep too well and that exacerbates there mental illness.   

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    Agreed. I’d refute it, but why bother? Nothing I am going to say will change her mind.

    I agree, but in the nicest way. I like Carol. I just wanted to push back against this absurd batch of no-doubt well-intended stuff.

    Wishful thinking at best. Harmful if believed by those in need, but it’s a free country. As such, nonsense can and must (there he goes!) be called nonsense. Even by friends.

    I say nothing about the details because I know nothing. But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

    I think it’s a circular relationship. People with some rough mental illness tend not to sleep too well and that exacerbates there mental illness.

    Yes.

    Lack of sleep for long enough will cause psychosis. But sleep will fix it.

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    Agreed. I’d refute it, but why bother? Nothing I am going to say will change her mind.

    I agree, but in the nicest way. I like Carol. I just wanted to push back against this absurd batch of no-doubt well-intended stuff.

    Wishful thinking at best. Harmful if believed by those in need, but it’s a free country. As such, nonsense can and must (there he goes!) be called nonsense. Even by friends.

    I say nothing about the details because I know nothing. But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

    I think it’s a circular relationship. People with some rough mental illness tend not to sleep too well and that exacerbates there mental illness.

    Yes.

    Lack of sleep for long enough will cause psychosis. But sleep will fix it.

    That’s a form of foxhole madness.  In WWI, our soldiers would be awake for days and weeks at a time, unable to sleep in the hellish environment.  Eventually they would end up running across the battlefield naked or something.  We called it foxhole madness, and our military started making an effort to cycle guys off the front for 24 hours at a time once a week or something, when possible.

    Bryan is right – you can’t treat that with drugs.  They just need sleep.

    If you look at how a brain works, it really should not need sleep.  But every animal on this planet needs sleep of some kind on some schedule.  We don’t know why – it’s a mystery.

    That’s obviously not the same thing as schizophrenia or other pathologies.

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    Agreed. I’d refute it, but why bother? Nothing I am going to say will change her mind.

    I agree, but in the nicest way. I like Carol. I just wanted to push back against this absurd batch of no-doubt well-intended stuff.

    Wishful thinking at best. Harmful if believed by those in need, but it’s a free country. As such, nonsense can and must (there he goes!) be called nonsense. Even by friends.

    I say nothing about the details because I know nothing. But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

    I think it’s a circular relationship. People with some rough mental illness tend not to sleep too well and that exacerbates there mental illness.

    Yes.

    Lack of sleep for long enough will cause psychosis. But sleep will fix it.

    That’s a form of foxhole madness. In WWI, our soldiers would be awake for days and weeks at a time, unable to sleep in the hellish environment. Eventually they would end up running across the battlefield naked or something. We called it foxhole madness, and our military started making an effort to cycle guys off the front for 24 hours at a time once a week or something, when possible.

    Bryan is right – you can’t treat that with drugs. They just need sleep.

    If you look at how a brain works, it really should not need sleep. But every animal on this planet needs sleep of some kind on some schedule. We don’t know why – it’s a mystery.

    That’s obviously not the same thing as schizophrenia or other pathologies.

    Is there any medical condition to which we are not more vulnerable when exhausted?

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    Agreed. I’d refute it, but why bother? Nothing I am going to say will change her mind.

    I agree, but in the nicest way. I like Carol. I just wanted to push back against this absurd batch of no-doubt well-intended stuff.

    Wishful thinking at best. Harmful if believed by those in need, but it’s a free country. As such, nonsense can and must (there he goes!) be called nonsense. Even by friends.

    I say nothing about the details because I know nothing. But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

    I think it’s a circular relationship. People with some rough mental illness tend not to sleep too well and that exacerbates there mental illness.

    Gripping hand.  Problematic sleep disorders probably share a cause / causes with other maladies.

    The way I see it, when I see a person who is fat and stupid, I am more likely to support a genetic cause for both than for either in isolation.  And by genetically fat, I mean genetically stupid, because obesity (unlike stupidity) is a voluntary malady.

    There are a precious few thyroid conditions and so forth, but just like ADHD, just because there is such a problem does not mean that anything more than 5% of diagnoses are anything more than the minimax convenience solution for teacher, student, patient, and doctor alike.

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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

     

    Is there any medical condition to which we are not more vulnerable when exhausted?

    Sleep is often the first thing to thing to get messed up and not getting enough hurts you.

     

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    Agreed. I’d refute it, but why bother? Nothing I am going to say will change her mind.

    I agree, but in the nicest way. I like Carol. I just wanted to push back against this absurd batch of no-doubt well-intended stuff.

    Wishful thinking at best. Harmful if believed by those in need, but it’s a free country. As such, nonsense can and must (there he goes!) be called nonsense. Even by friends.

    I say nothing about the details because I know nothing. But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

    I think it’s a circular relationship. People with some rough mental illness tend not to sleep too well and that exacerbates there mental illness.

    Yes.

    Lack of sleep for long enough will cause psychosis. But sleep will fix it.

    That’s a form of foxhole madness. In WWI, our soldiers would be awake for days and weeks at a time, unable to sleep in the hellish environment. Eventually they would end up running across the battlefield naked or something. We called it foxhole madness, and our military started making an effort to cycle guys off the front for 24 hours at a time once a week or something, when possible.

    Bryan is right – you can’t treat that with drugs. They just need sleep.

    If you look at how a brain works, it really should not need sleep. But every animal on this planet needs sleep of some kind on some schedule. We don’t know why – it’s a mystery.

    That’s obviously not the same thing as schizophrenia or other pathologies.

    Is there any medical condition to which we are not more vulnerable when exhausted?

    In bipolar type II people actually use sleep deprivation as a beneficial tool.

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    Agreed. I’d refute it, but why bother? Nothing I am going to say will change her mind.

    I agree, but in the nicest way. I like Carol. I just wanted to push back against this absurd batch of no-doubt well-intended stuff.

    Wishful thinking at best. Harmful if believed by those in need, but it’s a free country. As such, nonsense can and must (there he goes!) be called nonsense. Even by friends.

    I say nothing about the details because I know nothing. But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

    I think it’s a circular relationship. People with some rough mental illness tend not to sleep too well and that exacerbates there mental illness.

    Yes.

    Lack of sleep for long enough will cause psychosis. But sleep will fix it.

    That’s a form of foxhole madness. In WWI, our soldiers would be awake for days and weeks at a time, unable to sleep in the hellish environment. Eventually they would end up running across the battlefield naked or something. We called it foxhole madness, and our military started making an effort to cycle guys off the front for 24 hours at a time once a week or something, when possible.

    Bryan is right – you can’t treat that with drugs. They just need sleep.

    If you look at how a brain works, it really should not need sleep. But every animal on this planet needs sleep of some kind on some schedule. We don’t know why – it’s a mystery.

    That’s obviously not the same thing as schizophrenia or other pathologies.

    Is there any medical condition to which we are not more vulnerable when exhausted?

    In bipolar type II people actually use sleep deprivation as a beneficial tool.

    I have never seen that. Sleep hygiene as in good sleep is critical for it

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    I say nothing about the details because I know nothing. But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

    I think it’s a circular relationship. People with some rough mental illness tend not to sleep too well and that exacerbates there mental illness.

    Yes.

    Lack of sleep for long enough will cause psychosis. But sleep will fix it.

    That’s a form of foxhole madness. In WWI, our soldiers would be awake for days and weeks at a time, unable to sleep in the hellish environment. Eventually they would end up running across the battlefield naked or something. We called it foxhole madness, and our military started making an effort to cycle guys off the front for 24 hours at a time once a week or something, when possible.

    Bryan is right – you can’t treat that with drugs. They just need sleep.

    If you look at how a brain works, it really should not need sleep. But every animal on this planet needs sleep of some kind on some schedule. We don’t know why – it’s a mystery.

    That’s obviously not the same thing as schizophrenia or other pathologies.

    Is there any medical condition to which we are not more vulnerable when exhausted?

    In bipolar type II people actually use sleep deprivation as a beneficial tool.

    I have never seen that. Sleep hygiene as in good sleep is critical for it

    People with bipolar II — lets see if I can remember this, it’s been a while, and my use of the label is a couple decades old and may not be consistent with the DSM-V — anyway, it is (or was) a low level bipolar disorder comparable to Seasonal Affective Disorder (but with quite different presentation).  It is largely inherited.  They get manic when sleep deprived and sometimes deliberately induce this themselves.  For example, they put off necessary work until just before it needs to be done.  Then they go sleepless for days at a time putting themselves into a (usually) low manic state and concentrate on the task at hand, performing it well.  Then they crash and sleep for hours or a couple of days.  This behavior is broadly conducive to social and economic success and lasts throughout one’s lifetime.

    As another example, this behavior was not unusual at elite universities, and before mid-terms or finals it was not uncommon to find students having relatively minor psychotic episodes that resulting in in-patient admission and that resolved spontaneously with a few days of monitoring, redirection and sleep.

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    I say nothing about the details because I know nothing. But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

    I think it’s a circular relationship. People with some rough mental illness tend not to sleep too well and that exacerbates there mental illness.

    Yes.

    Lack of sleep for long enough will cause psychosis. But sleep will fix it.

    That’s a form of foxhole madness. In WWI, our soldiers would be awake for days and weeks at a time, unable to sleep in the hellish environment. Eventually they would end up running across the battlefield naked or something. We called it foxhole madness, and our military started making an effort to cycle guys off the front for 24 hours at a time once a week or something, when possible.

    Bryan is right – you can’t treat that with drugs. They just need sleep.

    If you look at how a brain works, it really should not need sleep. But every animal on this planet needs sleep of some kind on some schedule. We don’t know why – it’s a mystery.

    That’s obviously not the same thing as schizophrenia or other pathologies.

    Is there any medical condition to which we are not more vulnerable when exhausted?

    In bipolar type II people actually use sleep deprivation as a beneficial tool.

    I have never seen that. Sleep hygiene as in good sleep is critical for it

    People with bipolar II — lets see if I can remember this, it’s been a while, and my use of the label is a couple decades old and may not be consistent with the DSM-V — anyway, it is (or was) a low level bipolar disorder comparable to Seasonal Affective Disorder (but with quite different presentation). It is largely inherited. They get manic when sleep deprived and sometimes deliberately induce this themselves. For example, they put off necessary work until just before it needs to be done. Then they take go sleepless for days at a time putting themselves into a (usually) low manic state and concentrate on the task at hand, performing it well. Then they crash and sleep for hours or a couple of days. This behavior is broadly conducive to social and economic success and lasts throughout one’s lifetime.

    As another example, this behavior was not unusual at elite universities, and before mid-terms or finals it was not uncommon to find students having relatively minor psychotic episodes that resulting in in-patient admission and that resolved spontaneously with a few days of monitoring, redirection and sleep.

     I’ll have to respond to that in full of the morning. 

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    [snip] But I sure could believe that sleep deprivation is at least a causal factor in some mental illnesses.

    I think it’s a circular relationship. People with some rough mental illness tend not to sleep too well and that exacerbates there mental illness.

    Yes.

    Lack of sleep for long enough will cause psychosis. But sleep will fix it.

    That’s a form of foxhole madness. In WWI, our soldiers would be awake for days and weeks at a time, unable to sleep in the hellish environment. Eventually they would end up running across the battlefield naked or something. We called it foxhole madness, and our military started making an effort to cycle guys off the front for 24 hours at a time once a week or something, when possible.

    Bryan is right – you can’t treat that with drugs. They just need sleep.

    If you look at how a brain works, it really should not need sleep. But every animal on this planet needs sleep of some kind on some schedule. We don’t know why – it’s a mystery.

    That’s obviously not the same thing as schizophrenia or other pathologies.

    Is there any medical condition to which we are not more vulnerable when exhausted?

    In bipolar type II people actually use sleep deprivation as a beneficial tool.

    I have never seen that. Sleep hygiene as in good sleep is critical for it

    People with bipolar II — lets see if I can remember this, it’s been a while, and my use of the label is a couple decades old and may not be consistent with the DSM-V — anyway, it is (or was) a low level bipolar disorder comparable to Seasonal Affective Disorder (but with quite different presentation). It is largely inherited. They get manic when sleep deprived and sometimes deliberately induce this themselves. For example, they put off necessary work until just before it needs to be done. Then they take go sleepless for days at a time putting themselves into a (usually) low manic state and concentrate on the task at hand, performing it well. Then they crash and sleep for hours or a couple of days. This behavior is broadly conducive to social and economic success and lasts throughout one’s lifetime.

    As another example, this behavior was not unusual at elite universities, and before mid-terms or finals it was not uncommon to find students having relatively minor psychotic episodes that resulting in in-patient admission and that resolved spontaneously with a few days of monitoring, redirection and sleep.

    I’ll have to respond to that in full of the morning.

    Oh, by the way, the downside of this is living with a chronic low-level depression that is partially relieved by alcohol.

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    Oh, by the way, the downside of this is living with a chronic low-level depression that is partially relieved by alcohol.

    Partially?  This is no time for half-measures!

     

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    Speaking of sleep, I just got one of those Eight Sleep chill beds. For the price of 15 psychotherapy sessions you can sleep somewhat better. lol

    They don’t explicitly tell you this, but I think the advantage is, you can have heavier blankets on in the beginning, and then at the end when your body gets cooler, you have the right amount of blankets. I am also a believer in the weighted blanket theory and this helps.

    So far, it doesn’t seem to me you can use it to save on air conditioning, but I’m not going to be able to test that very well until next year.

    I bought the whole bed, but I think if I would do it over I would just buy whatever bed I want and then get a chill cover instead. The reason I did it this way is one of the reviewers said the bed worked slightly better, but I don’t think that outweighs picking the bed do you want.

    FYI, I just bought their new and improved one, so bear that in mind when you look at reviews. I have no idea if it makes any difference. It’s probably a scam to beat inflation.

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    Oh, by the way, the downside of this is living with a chronic low-level depression that is partially relieved by alcohol.

    Partially? This is no time for half-measures!

    Actually, that is a good way to get into trouble with addiction.

    Drinking to cope with anxiety or depression in an ongoing way is foolhardy.

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    On Bipolar II. What you are talking about is courting hypomania, a low level of mania which is the counterpart to a low level depression. Honestly, we have a society that rewards hypomania. People don’t need as much sleep, they have a lot of energy, feel good, feel creative, and can be very productive. They may also spend too much money, increase risk taking, and increase sexual activity. Hypomania is a reason for poor compliance on medications. 

    See, people like it. It is like using speed. If we could promise people with bi polar disorder hypomania all the time with meds, the compliance rate would be near 100%. The problem is, the brain cannot maintain that. It will crash. Courting hypomania is the number one reason I see for people to go off meds and then wind up depressed on the back end. And pi polar depression is more resistant to antidepressants than unipolar depression, sorry to say. If you have hypomania you are going to get depression. 

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  20. Hank Rhody calls me Perry Coolidge
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Great post, to second what others have said. As a layman (read: ignorant) I am al over the road on the subject, and perhaps you could help.

    [SNIP]

    Most important – how much of the “mental illness” we see in the street population is a result not of the brain gone awry on its own, but pushed into a mad kaleidoscopic realm by drugs? The popular narrative says they’re all victims of their own skewed chemistry, pushed out on the streets by a heartless capitalist society (rEagAn cLosEd tHe asYluMs), but it seems to me that the ones who are not schizophrenic went mad from their habits.

    [SNIP]

    As far as the homeless problem, this is most certainly its own post or series of posts. Based on my own personal experience, and backed up by data, most people who are chronically homeless lack the functioning to manage their lives in a way that will allow them to hold down a job and stable living situation. As to why this is, both mental illness and substance abuse are usually the cause. However, it is a mistake to seperate the two. We can argue that taking substances is a choice (another post, I think). I can say that people get addicted to substances because they are not happy or healthy. Rare is the person addicted to opiates because he tried them: there is almost always an underlying cause. I see substance use as a type of mental illness.

    Now, we need more psychiatric hospital beds. Let me point to an article that first appeared in National Review:

    America Badly Needs More Psychiatric Treatment Beds. The take away is this line:

    From its historic peak in 1955 to 2016, the number of state psychiatric-hospital beds in the United States plummeted almost 97 percent, in a trend known as “deinstitutionalization.” There are now fewer beds per capita in the United States than there were in 1850.

    [SNIP]

    As for the last point about needing more beds, yes, yes, YES. Tonight my wife was listening to a radio show interview with someone – social activist, comedian, couldn’t tell, what’s the diff sometimes – and he said that he had crazy people on his street because Reagan closed all the mental health shelters. I yelled from the other room “THAT’S NOT HOW IT HAPPENED,” and wondered whether the show would be flagged on social media for disinformation.

    Prrrrobably not.

    I work in mental health at a state prison, which is now the de facto primary inpatient treatment provider for much of the mentally ill. We have a long list of inmates who would have lived at a state psychiatric institute in the old days and probably never have ended up in the correctional system. The longer I work in the field, the more apparent it is that there is never One Solution to the problem.

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    Hank Rhody calls me Perry (View Comment):
    I work in mental health at a state prison, which is now the de facto primary inpatient treatment provider for much of the mentally ill. We have a long list of inmates who would have lived at a state psychiatric institute in the old days and probably never have ended up in the correctional system. The longer I work in the field, the more apparent it is that there is never One Solution to the problem.

    That is three deep points in three sentences.  Bravo.

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    On Bipolar II. What you are talking about is courting hypomania, a low level of mania which is the counterpart to a low level depression. Honestly, we have a society that rewards hypomania. People don’t need as much sleep, they have a lot of energy, feel good, feel creative, and can be very productive. They may also spend too much money, increase risk taking, and increase sexual activity. Hypomania is a reason for poor compliance on medications.

    See, people like it. It is like using speed. If we could promise people with bi polar disorder hypomania all the time with meds, the compliance rate would be near 100%. The problem is, the brain cannot maintain that. It will crash. Courting hypomania is the number one reason I see for people to go off meds and then wind up depressed on the back end. And pi polar depression is more resistant to antidepressants than unipolar depression, sorry to say. If you have hypomania you are going to get depression.

    I have heard of using sleep deprivation to break a depressive episode, and that it can be effective. The psychiatrist I heard it from said it had fallen out of favor, for the reasons you state. My understanding, though, it that it can be used not just for bipolar II, but also for unipolar depression.

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  23. Flicker Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    On Bipolar II. What you are talking about is courting hypomania, a low level of mania which is the counterpart to a low level depression. Honestly, we have a society that rewards hypomania. People don’t need as much sleep, they have a lot of energy, feel good, feel creative, and can be very productive. They may also spend too much money, increase risk taking, and increase sexual activity. Hypomania is a reason for poor compliance on medications.

    See, people like it. It is like using speed. If we could promise people with bi polar disorder hypomania all the time with meds, the compliance rate would be near 100%. The problem is, the brain cannot maintain that. It will crash. Courting hypomania is the number one reason I see for people to go off meds and then wind up depressed on the back end. And pi polar depression is more resistant to antidepressants than unipolar depression, sorry to say. If you have hypomania you are going to get depression.

    Yeah!  It’s really great (I hear).

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