Please President Trump, Don’t Make Netanyahu’s Mistake

 

I hope Trump does not make Netanyahu’s mistake.

The reason a leftist government came to power in Israel was due to Netanyahu’s ego.  There would have been a conservative government if Netanyahu had been willing to cede leadership of the Likud party to someone else. But his ego prevented him from doing that. And this same scenario is likely to unfold in the upcoming elections in Israel.

Now in the US, we see the same potential disaster in the making.  Don’t get me wrong, Israelis love Trump. He moved the  US embassy to Jerusalem, tore up the Iran deal, and has grandkids who attend a Jewish day school.  But if he would pass the mantle of leadership to DeSantis, there is a much better chance of conservatives retaking the White House in two years and, who knows, maybe both houses of Congress this November, which would be truly beneficial for Israel, to say nothing of the US.

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  1. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Can we get past the midterms, first?

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  2. JoshuaFinch Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Can we get past the midterms, first?

    Do you feel Trump will be a boost to Republican candidates this November?  I love the guy’s speeches as much as anyone and I know he draws impressive crowds, but do you think his endorsement will bring a net gain of votes to the Republican candidates?

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Can we get past the midterms, first?

    Do you feel Trump will be a boost to Republican candidates this November? I love the guy’s speeches as much as anyone and I know he draws impressive crowds, but do you think his endorsement will bring a net gain of votes to the Republican candidates?

    I think it’s ridiculous that people are obsessed with “contact-tracing” candidates to see if they strayed too closely to President Trump.

    Worse than ridiculous. How about “offensive.”

    It’s a losing strategy. These are people who are trying to divide their own party and basically handing elections to Democrats.

    Here’s the only strategy you need: vote against Democrats. Who gives a rodent’s hindquarters whether President Trump endorsed them? If that’s your litmus test, please don’t vote. In your heart, you’re already a Democrat.

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  4. JoshuaFinch Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Can we get past the midterms, first?

    Do you feel Trump will be a boost to Republican candidates this November? I love the guy’s speeches as much as anyone and I know he draws impressive crowds, but do you think his endorsement will bring a net gain of votes to the Republican candidates?

    I think it’s ridiculous that people are obsessed with “contact-tracing” candidates to see if they strayed too closely to President Trump.

    My question concerns the voter. Does proximity to Trump help or hurt a candidate in November?

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    My question concerns the voter. Does proximity to Trump help or hurt a candidate in November?

    Shouldn’t even be a question.

     

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  6. Hammer, The (Ryan M) Member
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    I couldn’t agree more.

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Can we get past the midterms, first?

    Do you feel Trump will be a boost to Republican candidates this November? I love the guy’s speeches as much as anyone and I know he draws impressive crowds, but do you think his endorsement will bring a net gain of votes to the Republican candidates?

    I think it’s ridiculous that people are obsessed with “contact-tracing” candidates to see if they strayed too closely to President Trump.

    My question concerns the voter. Does proximity to Trump help or hurt a candidate in November?

    Yes.  We would be sweeping the midterms, but for Trump’s ego.  

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  8. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Yes. We would be sweeping the midterms, but for Trump’s ego.

    Is that why you’re voting for Democrats? “Trump made me do it”?

     

     

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  9. thelonious Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    My question concerns the voter. Does proximity to Trump help or hurt a candidate in November?

    Shouldn’t even be a question.

     

    These are candidates he endorsed, so it is a question. He could have stayed out of the midterms but Trump can’t help himself.

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    thelonious (View Comment):

    These are candidates he endorsed, so it is a question. He could have stayed out of the midterms but Trump can’t help himself.

    That’s what politicians do. That’s what officeholders and former officeholders do. They go out and campaign for fellow Republicans. They offer their endorsements. Trump isn’t doing anything that other politicians haven’t done.

    Is it somehow beyond the pale because it’s President Trump?

    Democrats are destroying this country, and y’all would rather it be destroyed than one Trump-endorsed candidate be elected.

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  11. Caryn Thatcher
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    I agree that there are parallels between Netanyahu and Trump, but not what you make them.  The “anyone but Bibi” people (NBs?) were politicians who hated him for their own egotistical reasons.  He’s quite popular with the public*, as can be seen by the huge pluralities won by his party with him in leadership. 

    *There is some “Bibi fatigue,” because he’s served for so long, but he’s also seen as the most capable and competent on the scene.  Some of the hatred by the other politicians is that they saw themselves as his rightful heir-apparent and, when he didn’t promote them as such, they turned on him.  A lot of it is very, very personal.  And petty.  That’s where it gets very familiar and similar to anti-Trump behavior.

    BTW, the real reason a leftist government came to power (ever so briefly) in Israel has far more to do with the number of political parties and the realities of parliamentary coalition building concessions.  

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  12. Stina Member
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    Caryn (View Comment):

    I agree that there are parallels between Netanyahu and Trump, but not what you make them. The “anyone but Bibi” people (NBs?) were politicians who hated him for their own egotistical reasons. He’s quite popular with the public*, as can be seen by the huge pluralities won by his party with him in leadership.

    *There is some “Bibi fatigue,” because he’s served for so long, but he’s also seen as the most capable and competent on the scene. Some of the hatred by the other politicians is that they saw themselves as his rightful heir-apparent and, when he didn’t promote them as such, they turned on him. A lot of it is very, very personal. And petty. That’s where it gets very familiar and similar to anti-Trump behavior.

    BTW, the real reason a leftist government came to power (ever so briefly) in Israel has far more to do with the number of political parties and the realities of parliamentary coalition building concessions.

    Right, and in so much as this is the source of the Trump hate, Trump isn’t the problem. It’s the haters that are the problem.

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  13. thelonious Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    These are candidates he endorsed, so it is a question. He could have stayed out of the midterms but Trump can’t help himself.

    That’s what politicians do. That’s what officeholders and former officeholders do. They go out and campaign for fellow Republicans. They offer their endorsements. Trump isn’t doing anything that other politicians haven’t done.

    Is it somehow beyond the pale because it’s President Trump?

    Democrats are destroying this country, and y’all would rather it be destroyed than one Trump-endorsed candidate be elected. 

    I’m not a y’all. 

    So you can’t deny the influence Trump is going to have on these elections. You state he shouldn’t have an impact but he’s actively campaigned for candidates he endorsed. This means for good or for ill he’s going to have an impact on the election. With Trump it’s always going to be about Trump. This is what we got and we gotsa deal with it. 

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  14. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    The GOP will not be POTUS in 2024 and it will be Trump’s fault.  No matter who runs.  

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The GOP will not be POTUS in 2024 and it will be Trump’s fault. No matter who runs.

    Trump would be President now and not even eligible for the ballot in 2024 if serious crimes were not committed, including from within the federal bureaucracy, with no official response throughout his four-year administration. Anything in 2024 can hardly be Trump’s fault.

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  16. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Not the same. A key problem Netanyahu had was that for the last decade a series of secondary Likud figures looked at him and thought their opportunity to lead Likud was going to pass. So they broke off and started their own parties that never gained much traction.

    No such problems in the US system.

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  17. Flicker Coolidge
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    JoshuaFinch: …willing to cede leadership of the Likud party to someone else.

    I recently commented on BDB’s post about there being two worlds and two futures, that Leftist humor comes down to “Trump’s dumb.  Heh-heh-heh.”  And I was thinking about this quote above and my dinner guest that inadvertently let me hear his joke, and wondered why are there two different views of Trump, Trumpism, conservativism, and the nation’s direction.  And I thought, I really should read Gustave Le Bon again.

    Trump is dumb, narcissistic, misogynistic, incestuous, anti-Semitic, “homophobic”, a loud mouth, treasonous, demented, personality disordered, fascistic, tyrannical, unintelligent, uninformed, incurious, tasteless, thoughtless, uncouth, sloppy, unfit for office, and a compulsive liar and a criminal.  This is the Leftist thinking.

    Where do they get these things from?  Why do they believe them, and who believes them?

    Additionally, from the right, he’s unprincipled, divisive, and “his own worst enemy”.  With friends like these, who needs enemies?

    What the heck are Trump’s policies???  Maybe we can look at his term in office and find them.

    On the other hand, conservatives, under the Republican banner, have been served by Ronna (Romney) McDaniel, Reince Priebus, Michael Steele, Mike Duncan, Mel Martinez, Ken Mehlman, and Ed Gillespie.  Who are these guys?  How do they make their living?

    Trump’s downside?  He’s eighty.  That’s like saying he has a genetic predisposition to death.  Yet he doesn’t smoke, drink, or even drink coffee — and never has.  So maybe that’s why he’s still in such good health.

    Question: Why should Trump cede political control?

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  18. Bob Thompson Member
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    I find it interesting that some sentiment here is that if Trump runs we don’t get a fair and legitimate election. If that is true, we should see red flags going up all over America.

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  19. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Not the same. A key problem Netanyahu had was that for the last decade a series of secondary Likud figures looked at him and thought their opportunity to lead Likud was going to pass. So they broke off and started their own parties that never gained much traction.

    No such problems in the US system.

    Indeed, the fighting is within the GOP.   Is there anyone besides Trump that has the voters to overcome the corrupt uni-party?   I don’t want to win elections, I want to defeat the corrupt uni-party. 

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  20. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    I don’t want to win elections, I want to defeat the corrupt uni-party. 

    There’s a major realignment happening. The majority of politicians (together with their deep state allies, and those embedded in every institution) are in favor of the uni-party. The majority of Americans are not.

    A third party is desperately needed. We should have formed one in 2012 when I told you people to do it. But you didn’t listen to me. And now it’s even worse. But we’re going to have to do it eventually.

    Let’s start now.

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  21. JoshuaFinch Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    JoshuaFinch: …willing to cede leadership of the Likud party to someone else.

    I recently commented on BDB’s post about there being two worlds and two futures, that Leftist humor comes down to “Trump’s dumb. Heh-heh-heh.” And I was thinking about this quote above and my dinner guest that inadvertently let me hear his joke, and wondered why are there two different views of Trump, Trumpism, conservativism, and the nation’s direction. And I thought, I really should read Gustave Le Bon again.

    Trump is dumb, narcissistic, misogynistic, incestuous, anti-Semitic, “homophobic”, a loud mouth, treasonous, demented, personality disordered, fascistic, tyrannical, unintelligent, uninformed, incurious, tasteless, thoughtless, uncouth, sloppy, unfit for office, and a compulsive liar and a criminal. This is the Leftist thinking.

    Where do they get these things from? Why do they believe them, and who believes them?

    Additionally, from the right, he’s unprincipled, divisive, and “his own worst enemy”. With friends like these, who needs enemies?

    What the heck are Trump’s policies??? Maybe we can look at his term in office and find them.

    On the other hand, conservatives, under the Republican banner, have been served by Ronna (Romney) McDaniel, Reince Priebus, Michael Steele, Mike Duncan, Mel Martinez, Ken Mehlman, and Ed Gillespie. Who are these guys? How do they make their living?

    Trump’s downside? He’s eighty. That’s like saying he has a genetic predisposition to death. Yet he doesn’t smoke, drink, or even drink coffee — and never has. So maybe that’s why he’s still in such good health.

    Question: Why should Trump cede political control?

    Well, I am just wondering if DeSantis stands a better chance at being elected president than Trump. What do you think? 

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  22. MarciN Member
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    I think the significant difference between Netanyahu and Trump is the length of time each has been in an elected office. Karl Rove wrote an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal years ago in which he talked about “overexposure.” In a sense, he said that the public tires of people. Trump hasn’t been around that long to be at risk for that, but perhaps Netanyahu has.

    I would like to see Trump win a second term just to right the wrong of the lies told about him during his first term. I would like to send a message to the Democrats that their tricks won’t work on intelligent Americans.

    I’m sorry that Netanyahu lost. He is a great leader. I can’t help wondering about the U.S. Democrats’ role in that loss, if not directly than indirectly by their setting such a poor example in their character assassination of American Republicans.

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The GOP will not be POTUS in 2024 and it will be Trump’s fault. No matter who runs.

    If we run anyone other than Trump in 2024, I think that we will win.  As long as it is not Trump (or DJTJ), the Republican has my vote.

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  24. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The GOP will not be POTUS in 2024 and it will be Trump’s fault. No matter who runs.

    If we run anyone other than Trump in 2024, I think that we will win. As long as it is not Trump (or DJTJ), the Republican has my vote.

    I don’t think we knew this about you. How surprising.

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  25. namlliT noD Member
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    JoshuaFinch: But if he would pass the mantle of leadership to DeSantis, there is a much better chance of conservatives retaking the White House in two years and, who knows, maybe both houses of Congress this November, which would be truly beneficial for Israel, to say nothing of the US.

    Huh?  That doesn’t follow at all.

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  26. namlliT noD Member
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    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):
    Do you feel Trump will be a boost to Republican candidates this November?  I love the guy’s speeches as much as anyone and I know he draws impressive crowds, but do you think his endorsement will bring a net gain of votes to the Republican candidates?

    If you haven’t noticed, President Trump’s endorsements have a near 100% success rate.

    (Or is it actually 100%?)

    Meanwhile, democrat candidates are avoiding Biden endorsements like the plague.

     


     

    Hey, Republican candidates.  If you’re up for it, you could create fake Biden endorsement ads for your opponent.

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  27. Hang On Member
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    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Can we get past the midterms, first?

    Do you feel Trump will be a boost to Republican candidates this November? I love the guy’s speeches as much as anyone and I know he draws impressive crowds, but do you think his endorsement will bring a net gain of votes to the Republican candidates?

    Look at polling. Trump is generally doing better than Republican candidates in polling. The difference is among those with less than high school educations, high school education, or those with apprenticeships/community college. These voters are undecided because there is a latent anti-Republican bias and they’re not interested in generic Republicans. They have extremely anti-Biden opinions because Biden is causing them economic pain. This will be the difference in many elections. Trump has the ability to bring these people out to vote for the Republican candidates by having rallies, which Trump is famous for. 

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  28. Flicker Coolidge
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    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    JoshuaFinch: …willing to cede leadership of the Likud party to someone else.

    I recently commented on BDB’s post about there being two worlds and two futures, that Leftist humor comes down to “Trump’s dumb. Heh-heh-heh.” And I was thinking about this quote above and my dinner guest that inadvertently let me hear his joke, and wondered why are there two different views of Trump, Trumpism, conservativism, and the nation’s direction. And I thought, I really should read Gustave Le Bon again.

    Trump is dumb, narcissistic, misogynistic, incestuous, anti-Semitic, “homophobic”, a loud mouth, treasonous, demented, personality disordered, fascistic, tyrannical, unintelligent, uninformed, incurious, tasteless, thoughtless, uncouth, sloppy, unfit for office, and a compulsive liar and a criminal. This is the Leftist thinking.

    Where do they get these things from? Why do they believe them, and who believes them?

    Additionally, from the right, he’s unprincipled, divisive, and “his own worst enemy”. With friends like these, who needs enemies?

    What the heck are Trump’s policies??? Maybe we can look at his term in office and find them.

    On the other hand, conservatives, under the Republican banner, have been served by Ronna (Romney) McDaniel, Reince Priebus, Michael Steele, Mike Duncan, Mel Martinez, Ken Mehlman, and Ed Gillespie. Who are these guys? How do they make their living?

    Trump’s downside? He’s eighty. That’s like saying he has a genetic predisposition to death. Yet he doesn’t smoke, drink, or even drink coffee — and never has. So maybe that’s why he’s still in such good health.

    Question: Why should Trump cede political control?

    Well, I am just wondering if DeSantis stands a better chance at being elected president than Trump. What do you think?

    I asked first.  But I’ll go.  DeSantis is the perfect combination of Donald Trump and Mitt Romney.

    Now it’s your turn.  Why should Trump cede anything?

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  29. Flicker Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The GOP will not be POTUS in 2024 and it will be Trump’s fault. No matter who runs.

    If we run anyone other than Trump in 2024, I think that we will win. As long as it is not Trump (or DJTJ), the Republican has my vote.

    I don’t think we knew this about you. How surprising.

    He’ll still vote Democrat over Trump-adjacent.

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  30. Hang On Member
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    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):
    Well, I am just wondering if DeSantis stands a better chance at being elected president than Trump. What do you think? 

    The perfect ticket is Trump-de Santis.

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