The Founding Fathers Despised Political Parties

 

In spite of the dangers that political parties could pose to our nascent Republic, and the protests that were lodged by many of our Founders to having those parties, no mention of banning political parties appeared in our Constitution:

The framers of the new Constitution desperately wanted to avoid the divisions that had ripped England apart in the bloody civil wars of the 17th century. Many of them saw parties—or ‘factions,’ as they called them—as corrupt relics of the monarchical British system that they wanted to discard in favor of a truly democratic government.

George Washington warned against political parties when he left the Presidency in 1796. The divisions first emerged over whether to have a strong central government as proposed by Alexander Hamilton representing the Federalists; Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, who feared putting too much power in the hands of the federal government, ended up forming the Democratic-Republican party. The animosity became so great that Adams tried to stop anything that would interfere with his own goals as President and approved making the criticizing of the president and his policies a federal crime. Jefferson took revenge when he became President by firing half of all federal employees at the top, essentially wiping out the administrative state.

We could say that outcomes of the Constitution not addressing political parties was a grave error:

The Constitution itself omits any mention of political parties. Though it is not as simple as the founders not having considered it, since Madison, George Washington, and Alexander Hamilton had all written about the subject at some point in their lives. Specifically, they all had negative views on the matter, with Washington having used precious space in his Farewell Address to discuss the negative aspect of political parties, and Madison dedicating Federalist No. 10 to the issue. In fact, the paper was written in part as a safeguard against political parties, since they were explicitly recognized as inevitable by Madison. The irony is that the constitutional omission of political factions exacerbated the problem. While not mentioning something can serve as a barrier against it, in a legal environment, there is no room for chance; things as malicious as to be recognized as ‘enemies’ of free states are best explicitly prohibited by law.

Today we can observe the consequences of the Constitution not dealing with the issue of partisan politics. Are there alternatives to accomplishing the business of government without political parties? Do you think leaving political parties out of the Constitution was an appropriate decision, or do you think we are paying the price in our political environment for our Founders not addressing this divisive and dysfunctional issue?

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  1. TBA Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Last night on “The Five,” one of the panelists said that we actually had four political parties: the progressive Left, the moderate Democrats, the MAGA Republicans and the moderate Republicans (who may be Democrats in disguise). These divisions are interesting to contemplate . . .

    I agree with that distinction, but I would also divide MAGA Republicans into two groups. I support in the following order, Moderate Republicans including Reagan Republicans, Moderate Democrats, MAGA Republicans without Trump, the Terrible Progressive Left, and finally Trump himself.

    ABT. Anybody but Trump.

    The founding fathers despised traitors way more than they despised political parties. 

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Last night on “The Five,” one of the panelists said that we actually had four political parties: the progressive Left, the moderate Democrats, the MAGA Republicans and the moderate Republicans (who may be Democrats in disguise). These divisions are interesting to contemplate . . .

    I agree with that distinction, but I would also divide MAGA Republicans into two groups. I support in the following order, Moderate Republicans including Reagan Republicans, Moderate Democrats, MAGA Republicans without Trump, the Terrible Progressive Left, and finally Trump himself.

    ABT. Anybody but Trump.

    The founding fathers despised traitors way more than they despised political parties.

    I am an American, a Conservative and a Republican in that order.  My opposition to Trump is entirely consistent with being a Constitutional Conservative and a Reagan Republican.

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  3. TBA Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Last night on “The Five,” one of the panelists said that we actually had four political parties: the progressive Left, the moderate Democrats, the MAGA Republicans and the moderate Republicans (who may be Democrats in disguise). These divisions are interesting to contemplate . . .

    I agree with that distinction, but I would also divide MAGA Republicans into two groups. I support in the following order, Moderate Republicans including Reagan Republicans, Moderate Democrats, MAGA Republicans without Trump, the Terrible Progressive Left, and finally Trump himself.

    ABT. Anybody but Trump.

    The founding fathers despised traitors way more than they despised political parties.

    My opposition to Trump is entirely consistent with being a Constitutional Conservative and a Reagan Republican.

    Factually incorrect. 

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  4. Gary Robbins Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Last night on “The Five,” one of the panelists said that we actually had four political parties: the progressive Left, the moderate Democrats, the MAGA Republicans and the moderate Republicans (who may be Democrats in disguise). These divisions are interesting to contemplate . . .

    I agree with that distinction, but I would also divide MAGA Republicans into two groups. I support in the following order, Moderate Republicans including Reagan Republicans, Moderate Democrats, MAGA Republicans without Trump, the Terrible Progressive Left, and finally Trump himself.

    ABT. Anybody but Trump.

    The founding fathers despised traitors way more than they despised political parties.

    My opposition to Trump is entirely consistent with being a Constitutional Conservative and a Reagan Republican.

    Factually incorrect.

    I appreciate that you have a different point of view.  How is this factually incorrect?

     

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  5. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Last night on “The Five,” one of the panelists said that we actually had four political parties: the progressive Left, the moderate Democrats, the MAGA Republicans and the moderate Republicans (who may be Democrats in disguise). These divisions are interesting to contemplate . . .

    I agree with that distinction, but I would also divide MAGA Republicans into two groups. I support in the following order, Moderate Republicans including Reagan Republicans, Moderate Democrats, MAGA Republicans without Trump, the Terrible Progressive Left, and finally Trump himself.

    ABT. Anybody but Trump.

    The founding fathers despised traitors way more than they despised political parties.

    My opposition to Trump is entirely consistent with being a Constitutional Conservative and a Reagan Republican.

    Factually incorrect.

    I appreciate that you have a different point of view. How is this factually incorrect?

     

    Because that statement is not True. 

     Oh you might believe it but it is not why you are against Trump.  It is the rationalization you’ve come up with to justify being against Trump because you don’t like Trump.

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Last night on “The Five,” one of the panelists said that we actually had four political parties: the progressive Left, the moderate Democrats, the MAGA Republicans and the moderate Republicans (who may be Democrats in disguise). These divisions are interesting to contemplate . . .

    I agree with that distinction, but I would also divide MAGA Republicans into two groups. I support in the following order, Moderate Republicans including Reagan Republicans, Moderate Democrats, MAGA Republicans without Trump, the Terrible Progressive Left, and finally Trump himself.

    ABT. Anybody but Trump.

    The founding fathers despised traitors way more than they despised political parties.

    My opposition to Trump is entirely consistent with being a Constitutional Conservative and a Reagan Republican.

    Factually incorrect.

    I appreciate that you have a different point of view. How is this factually incorrect?

     

    Because that statement is not True.

    Oh you might believe it but it is not why you are against Trump. It is the rationalization you’ve come up with to justify being against Trump because you don’t like Trump.

    So how is it not true?

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  7. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Last night on “The Five,” one of the panelists said that we actually had four political parties: the progressive Left, the moderate Democrats, the MAGA Republicans and the moderate Republicans (who may be Democrats in disguise). These divisions are interesting to contemplate . . .

    I agree with that distinction, but I would also divide MAGA Republicans into two groups. I support in the following order, Moderate Republicans including Reagan Republicans, Moderate Democrats, MAGA Republicans without Trump, the Terrible Progressive Left, and finally Trump himself.

    ABT. Anybody but Trump.

    The founding fathers despised traitors way more than they despised political parties.

    My opposition to Trump is entirely consistent with being a Constitutional Conservative and a Reagan Republican.

    Factually incorrect.

    I appreciate that you have a different point of view. How is this factually incorrect?

     

    Because that statement is not True.

    Oh you might believe it but it is not why you are against Trump. It is the rationalization you’ve come up with to justify being against Trump because you don’t like Trump.

    So how is it not true?

    It is the rationalization you’ve come up with to justify being against Trump because you don’t like Trump.

    In other words: It does not matter what Trump did or did not do, you would find a reason to be against him no matter what.  not matter.

    It is what it is. 

    Have a good evening. 

     

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Last night on “The Five,” one of the panelists said that we actually had four political parties: the progressive Left, the moderate Democrats, the MAGA Republicans and the moderate Republicans (who may be Democrats in disguise). These divisions are interesting to contemplate . . .

    I agree with that distinction, but I would also divide MAGA Republicans into two groups. I support in the following order, Moderate Republicans including Reagan Republicans, Moderate Democrats, MAGA Republicans without Trump, the Terrible Progressive Left, and finally Trump himself.

    ABT. Anybody but Trump.

    The founding fathers despised traitors way more than they despised political parties.

    My opposition to Trump is entirely consistent with being a Constitutional Conservative and a Reagan Republican.

    Factually incorrect.

    I appreciate that you have a different point of view. How is this factually incorrect?

     

    Because that statement is not True.

    Oh you might believe it but it is not why you are against Trump. It is the rationalization you’ve come up with to justify being against Trump because you don’t like Trump.

    So how is it not true?

    It is the rationalization you’ve come up with to justify being against Trump because you don’t like Trump.

    In other words: It does not matter what Trump did or did not do, you would find a reason to be against him no matter what. not matter.

    It is what it is.

    Have a good evening.

    You too Bryan.

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  9. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    1787Libertarian (View Comment):

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    What is the alternative to political parties? The Uniparty?

    Holding hands and singing Kumbayah (spelling).

    Even East Germany had more than one registered party.

    There were  in fact even members of the CDU elected in the DDR. 

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  10. Columbo Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (Vie[w Comment):

    Last night on “The Five,” one of the panelists said that we actually had four political parties: the progressive Left, the moderate Democrats, the MAGA Republicans and the moderate Republicans (who may be Democrats in disguise). These divisions are interesting to contemplate . . .

    I agree with that distinction, but I would also divide MAGA Republicans into two groups. I support in the following order, Moderate Republicans including Reagan Republicans, Moderate Democrats, MAGA Republicans without Trump, the Terrible Progressive Left, and finally Trump himself.

    ABT. Anybody but Trump.

    The founding fathers despised traitors way more than they despised political parties.

    I am an American, a Conservative and a Republican in that order. My opposition to Trump is entirely consistent with being a Constitutional Conservative and a Reagan Republican.

    [self redacted]

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  11. WillowSpring Member
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    @1787Libertarian – thanks for the reading pointers.  This area of history fascinates me – probably because I was taught in school that after the Revolutionary War, nothing really happened until the Civil War. 

    As I have gotten older and read more, it is clear how unclear our future was in the time right after the Revolutionary War.

    Oh – you are right about “it is always a good idea to go full Calhoun by the way.”  One of my middle names (I have two) is Calhoun, but I think my connection to the one you reference is pretty thin.

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I support in the following order, Moderate Republicans including Reagan Republicans, Moderate Democrats,

    I support your saying something original about public policy.

    I mean this is just lame idealism from the 70s that has absolutely no possibility of working today. The model in your head does not fit what is going on politically now. There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat above state legislature anywhere; there is no political power like that. 

    I seriously hope you have joined Principles First and they have sworn you to not talking about it. You could get more expert at backpedaling and excusing about voting for Biden.

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