National Review and Me

 

My father was a William F. Buckley buff.  I still prize his autographed copy of WFB’s second book,  McCarthy and His Enemies (co-authored in 1954 with L. Brent Bozell, Jr, Buckley’s brother-in-law).  One year later, Buckley founded National Review.  

By the time the sixties rolled around, it’s fair to say I was destined to be an NR reader.  For me, and with respect to Andrew Breitbart,  politics was not downstream from culture.  I saw no inconsistency in loving The Who, the Stones, MC5, and National Review, much to the chagrin of some of my contemporaries.  And I think the Buckley fandom made my father happy, which was a bonus.  You’ll still find a 1965 Buckley for Mayor of New York City poster in my home.

So let’s fast forward to September, 2022.  I am about six weeks into another renewal of my subscription to both the dead tree version of NR and National Review Online.   We are years past the infamous “Against Trump” issue, compiled during the primaries leading up to the 2016 election.  That issue alienated many Ricochet members, to say the least, and still stands as an early sign of the NeverTrump movement.  I’ve long felt that NR remains important because it has some fine writers who champion important conservative causes.  I’m also not ashamed to say that I’ve defended the magazine here in discussions with people whom I respect—and I fully recognize that some here really dislike the publication.  

This is all a prelude to my personal deep thoughts as to whether it’s time to jump ship, something that never occurred to me even in the days of  “Against Trump.”  In many ways, I think that I’m a prototypical NR subscriber:  older, conservative, Buckley fan, and a supporter of the Trump presidency who still sees some warts.  Yet, in the last several months (some would say much longer), the unremitting lack of any balance regarding Trump has significantly alienated me.  Time and space don’t permit an exhaustive count of what has pushed me to the edge of cancellation, but let’s try a short and recent list. 

I’ve generally been good with the pro-impeachment, but often knowledgeable, Andrew McCarthy, but have seriously tired of the likes of  Trump Brings Out the Worst in His Enemies, as He Undermines Himself.   Much also has been written here about the bombastic Kevin Williamson, yet his recent A Clear and Present Danger column was a new low even for me (“President Biden isn’t taking on the Trumpists’ illiberalism — he’s imitating it.” “Of course the Trump movement is semi-fascist . . .” ).  Yes, Kevin, of course.  

Messrs. McLaughlin and Geraghty are long-standing Trump critics as well, but the proverbial final straw may have come from Second Amendment stalwart and Ricochet friend Charles C.W. Cooke, a seemingly rational person who has decided 20 months after the end of the Trump presidency that Donald Trump Is Still a Lunatic.  You may have noticed that the common thread in much of the above goes beyond “Against Trump” to “Much of what we see in Biden is Trump’s fault.”

So does this story have an ending?  I know a good number of you who have read this far are saying “So cancel already, dummy!” But it’s hard for me to toss away 50 years of a reading tradition.  Still, if I’m close, I wonder how many NR traditionalists are either gone or right at the edge of the long goodbye.   

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I would love to be “in” as I am like every other human being. I’ll never have enough money to buy my way in.

    Access costs a lot of money, that much is clear.

    I will never be “in”.

     

    At least they let you “in” with ads rather than block your access like many newspapers. My print subscriptions are limited to NR, Astronomy ( my hobby), Conservative Chronical (replaced newspaper and has weekly punditry), Air Force Magazine (my profession), and Claremont Review of Books (I am a big book reader). To have money to enjoy life, I cancelled season tickets to several sports. They just weren’t worth it once they started their political BS. My kids are working adults doing well. You still have kids to support. Family first, just like it should be, just like it once was for me.

    I was more talking about cruises.

    I disagree though. I dint think I’ll ever be well off enough comfortable enough to drop 25K on a trip. 

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  2. Nathanael Ferguson Contributor
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    If you’re on the fence, you might think about one thing that I don’t think has yet been mentioned: the Covington kids.

    Nail > Coffin.

    Perhaps.

    KDW wrote all that blather and didn’t even bother to point out NR’s own contribution to the Covington smear. Sounds about right.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    My list could go on, but you get the point. I fully appreciate those of you who have no interest in doing cruises or are in the stage of life, like I once was, where it simply isn’t an affordable option. However, be grateful that these exist and retirees like some of us can go. We bring back insights that mold our comments. 

    Just an aside, but wouldn’t it be more useful to structure things so that people can get these insights when they’re much younger?

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  4. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I would love to be “in” as I am like every other human being. I’ll never have enough money to buy my way in.

    Access costs a lot of money, that much is clear.

    I will never be “in”.

     

    At least they let you “in” with ads rather than block your access like many newspapers. My print subscriptions are limited to NR, Astronomy ( my hobby), Conservative Chronical (replaced newspaper and has weekly punditry), Air Force Magazine (my profession), and Claremont Review of Books (I am a big book reader). To have money to enjoy life, I cancelled season tickets to several sports. They just weren’t worth it once they started their political BS. My kids are working adults doing well. You still have kids to support. Family first, just like it should be, just like it once was for me.

    I was more talking about cruises.

    I disagree though. I dint think I’ll ever be well off enough comfortable enough to drop 25K on a trip.

    We aren’t, either, and never will be. We had to save for several years just to afford the new roof we would need this year. It was less than $25K, but an investment that will serve us the rest of our remaining lives.  NR post election cruises, inside cabin, are cheaper than a week in Orlando visiting Disney and other theme parks. Heck, just the Atlanta meetup, hotel, gas, drinks, meals, and shooting, cost us $900 for a 2-night vacation for two. I don’t regret a cent, it was an excellent investment. I have another advantage you don’t have, yet, we are collecting Social Security. It easily covers the cruise.  You work hard now and will be rewarded later for your work ethic. 

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  5. Steven Seward Member
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    J Climacus (View Comment):

    My reason for cancelling NR was not over any particular issue, but that it became clear that its top priority was to keep its status as the “respectable” conservative voice, as defined by the mainstream (i.e. the left). The left expects the Right to be pro life and pro gun and socially conservative, but to have a manageable impact that doesn’t ultimately threaten the left’s progressive agenda. NR came to fit this role (recently, not in the early days.) It plays the game as defined by the left’s rules, and banishes writers like Derbyshire and Steyn that the left finds intolerable. When someone like Trump comes along, who doesn’t play by the rules and threatens to upend the game board entirely, the left (correctly) sees this as an existential crisis and will do anything to stop him, including demanding that “respectable” conservative voices denounce him, on pain of banishment from the mainstream. NR caved, became NeverTrump, and made unwelcome any writers (like VDH) who showed any favorable views of Trump.

    So its the fact that NR plays the game by the left’s rules that is the problem, not its particular stance on any particular issue.

    Your theory is provocative and interesting, but I don’t think most of the editors and contributors at National Review are acting because of some pressure from the Left.  If they are RHINOS at times or soft on some issues, I think that is just because they are not staunch conservatives at heart.  I would agree with your assessment perhaps in the case of David French and maybe Jonah Goldberg, as they seem to be unduly influenced by popular opinions.

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  6. Red Herring Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):
    My list could go on, but you get the point. I fully appreciate those of you who have no interest in doing cruises or are in the stage of life, like I once was, where it simply isn’t an affordable option. However, be grateful that these exist and retirees like some of us can go. We bring back insights that mold our comments.

    Just an aside, but wouldn’t it be more useful to structure things so that people can get these insights when they’re much younger?

    I will take that to them. However, hosting a week on a ship is cheaper than a week in DC or NYC. They are sampling zoom book clubs and taking NRI institute programs on the road, but not near me. The NRI takes programs and speakers to colleges. You might be on to something. Since their programs are geared to those who can afford them now, the feedback loop might have cut them off from the ideas and feelings of those like us on ricochet.

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  7. Steven Seward Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    I understand your feelings and have said so before. While you expect condescension from the left, when it comes from our side, we feel betrayed and perhaps even played by some who weren’t what we thought they were. I won’t apologize or excuse them. That is their job.

    Some writers at NR, the magazine, should have paid more attention to the guest speakers and NRI speakers on the cruises. I want the NR problems fixed but can’t fix them if I walk away. I can’t turn my back on someone who has staunchly defended the Constitution and our gun rights because of one stupid comment. I welcome an opportunity to politely tell him in person why I disagree with him. If it isn’t worth it to you (the price), I accept that.

    I am equally turned off by some of the things said about those who provide us this great platform. Disagree, if you wish, but don’t attack them. You will become like the left if you let hatred into your heart.

    I agree with your sentiments.  I know National Review isn’t perfect (and at times downright flat-out wrong), but I have not come across a publication yet that I thought was 100% right all the time.  I even disagreed with Rush Limbaugh on some rare occasions.  It is of little benefit to seek out the perfect publication or pundit.  I’m big enough to listen to some contrary opinions and disregard them if need be, while soaking up all the good information I can find.  I’m relatively new to the Internet (I think about ten years now) and I’m just overjoyed that there is so much info to choose from.

     

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  8. J Climacus Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    My reason for cancelling NR was not over any particular issue, but that it became clear that its top priority was to keep its status as the “respectable” conservative voice, as defined by the mainstream (i.e. the left). The left expects the Right to be pro life and pro gun and socially conservative, but to have a manageable impact that doesn’t ultimately threaten the left’s progressive agenda. NR came to fit this role (recently, not in the early days.) It plays the game as defined by the left’s rules, and banishes writers like Derbyshire and Steyn that the left finds intolerable. When someone like Trump comes along, who doesn’t play by the rules and threatens to upend the game board entirely, the left (correctly) sees this as an existential crisis and will do anything to stop him, including demanding that “respectable” conservative voices denounce him, on pain of banishment from the mainstream. NR caved, 

    So its the fact that NR plays the game by the left’s rules that is the problem, not its particular stance on any particular issue.

    Your theory is provocative and interesting, but I don’t think most of the editors and contributors at National Review are acting because of some pressure from the Left. If they are RHINOS at times or soft on some issues, I think that is just because they are not staunch conservatives at heart. I would agree with your assessment perhaps in the case of David French and maybe Jonah Goldberg, as they seem to be unduly influenced by popular opinions.

    This may be right, I have no inside knowledge to back up my view. I wrote that NR caved to the pressure, but that is a somewhat cynical way of putting things, because I don’t think NR is populated by wimps. It’s more like they think they have a seat at the mainstream table and exert conservative influence there, and that seat is something to be guarded because it is valuable. Not just to NR, but to conservatism generally.

    NR isn’t wrong about that, and they aren’t wrong about being careful to avoid association with far right cases that would ruin their reputation.  What they seem to miss is that the left has now defined “far right” so broadly that any meaningful resistance to progressivism is ruled out of bounds.  The Derbyshire case in 2012 is an example. His article (which wasn’t even published in NR) would have been run of the mill for the NR of the 1960s. The NR of 2012, however,  was so terrified of the mainstream response to the article that it quickly severed ties with Derb. That was the first indication to me that NR had become “house broken”.

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  9. Vance Richards Inactive
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    I canceled my own damn subscription years ago. I then received my “final issue” for another year or two (I guess that way they can tell advertisers that sent out X number of magazines each month).

    When I was getting it the first thing I would do is turn to the back and read Steyn. Then I would usually look for Derbyshire, who wrote more about suburban life than politics. After that I would see what WFB had to say as I knew that would improve my vocabulary. Next I would check for Rob Long as Kim Jong-il articles which were always funny.  Eventually I just got bored. No “you guys suck” type of hissy fit, more of just meh.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    I canceled my own damn subscription years ago. I then received my “final issue” for another year or two (I guess that way they can tell advertisers that sent out X number of magazines each month).

    When I was getting it the first thing I would do is turn to the back and read Steyn. Then I would usually look for Derbyshire, who wrote more about suburban life than politics. After that I would see what WFB had to say as I knew that would improve my vocabulary. Next I would check for Rob Long as Kim Jong-il articles which were always funny. Eventually I just got bored. No “you guys suck” type of hissy fit, more of just meh.

    Maybe they actually turned you more conservative than NR was itself?  So it was no longer of much value or interest?  I’ve experienced things like that too.

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  11. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    I understand your feelings and have said so before. While you expect condescension from the left, when it comes from our side, we feel betrayed and perhaps even played by some who weren’t what we thought they were. I won’t apologize or excuse them. That is their job.

    Some writers at NR, the magazine, should have paid more attention to the guest speakers and NRI speakers on the cruises. I want the NR problems fixed but can’t fix them if I walk away. I can’t turn my back on someone who has staunchly defended the Constitution and our gun rights because of one stupid comment. I welcome an opportunity to politely tell him in person why I disagree with him. If it isn’t worth it to you (the price), I accept that.

    I am equally turned off by some of the things said about those who provide us this great platform. Disagree, if you wish, but don’t attack them. You will become like the left if you let hatred into your heart.

    I agree with your sentiments. I know National Review isn’t perfect (and at times downright flat-out wrong), but I have not come across a publication yet that I thought was 100% right all the time. I even disagreed with Rush Limbaugh on some rare occasions. It is of little benefit to seek out the perfect publication or pundit. I’m big enough to listen to some contrary opinions and disregard them if need be, while soaking up all the good information I can find. I’m relatively new to the Internet (I think about ten years now) and I’m just overjoyed that there is so much info to choose from.

     

    It is not contrary opinions,  it is being sneered at. I will not read that, period.

    The left sneers at me already. It is a bridge too far from “friends” on the right.

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  12. Basil Fawlty Member
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    I rather enjoyed this:

    https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2021/02/standing-athwart-pulling-plug-national-review-david-deavel.html

    Sorry if I missed an earlier reference.

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  13. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I’ve been a NR subscriber since 1970 or ’71, and while I don’t agree with everything in the current magazine; where would I find a satisfactory replacement?

    American Spectator?  I tried that for a bit, then switched to Epoch times.  

     

    I also wrote a post about cancelling my subscription and had it promoted and then demoted to the main feed.  That was fun to watch.  

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  14. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    I rather enjoyed this:

    https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2021/02/standing-athwart-pulling-plug-national-review-david-deavel.html

    Sorry if I missed an earlier reference.

     

    Two things caught my attention. The first is the dramatic decrease in subscriptions. I knew it had declined but wow. You would think they would learn. I still subscribe but haven’t donated in a while. Why? If they are that intent on committing suicide, it is a waste of my hard -earned money. I will pay for services, nrplus and book club.

    The other thing, that I already knew, I posted for those who think they cut Steyn loose.

    Small intellectual magazines always depend on donors who believe that they will be influential with the right people. But to be influential, they have to have some popular base. At 50,000 subscriptions, The Weekly Standard’s funders decided that they were no longer worth bankrolling. NR had about 170,000 subscriptions a decade ago and is down to about 75,000 subscriptions now.

    The other correction has to do with my understanding of NR’s relationship with Mark Steyn. I wrote that Steyn was “ejected and effectively disowned” by NR. According to NR: 1) Mark Steyn was the one who decided to retain his own counsel in the Michael Mann case—at NR’s expense; and 2) Steyn was not an employee of NR but was at the end of his three-year contract in 2014 when the legal case was in its early stages.  He was offered another contract to which he did not respond.

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  15. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Good luck with your decision, Hoyacon.

    My views on several issues have shifted significantly in the past 5-6 years, most notably on foreign policy and trade. I’ve become something close to an isolationist on foreign policy, and no longer a strong supporter of free trade. Interestingly, these actually seem to have been the historic Republican positions prior to . . . well, William F. Buckley, more or less.

    This has made me less favorably inclined toward NR, even if Buckley was still at the helm.

    The thing that bothers me most about WFB is his opposition to the “John Burch” folks, who were opposed to an interventionist foreign policy. I wasn’t around at the time, but my impression was that WFB practiced something close to “cancel culture” on those who disagreed with his foreign policy. I would describe WFB’s foreign policy as “neoconservatism,” and wonder whether he was the original neocon. Again, I wasn’t around at the time, so I’m not sure about this.

    I’ve come to view our interventionist foreign policy of the 20th Century as a major mistake, from WWI to WWII to the Cold War and beyond.

    The only minor exception that I see to this relates to the Cold War. I have to concede the possibility that it was better to strongly oppose international Communism, but the only reason that we faced such a monolithic international Communism was that we had foolishly and improvidently destroyed the three strongest anti-Communist buffers between us and the Soviet Union — Germany, Japan, and Italy.

    Of late, I’ve been generally impressed with the National Conservatism movement. Rich Lowry appears to be a major figure in this movement, which is a point in NR’s favor.

    If you’re on the fence, you might think about one thing that I don’t think has yet been mentioned: the Covington kids.

    You also destroyed the British and French over Suez dont forget.

    I have been constantly at odds with the Free Trade Cult for many years myself.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    I also wrote a post about cancelling my subscription and had it promoted and then demoted to the main feed.  That was fun to watch.  

    Feel like giving us a link to it?

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  17. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    1787Libertarian (View Comment):

    NR is compromised. Whatever it was it is t that anymore.

    https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/how-the-national-review-sold-its

    Damn. That is scathing.

     

    They’ve been so weak and defeatist during the Trump years that a year’s subscription to the magazine could be marketed as an estrogen supplement.

    Cracked Me up.

    Is that what happened to @ claire ?

    Did She take google money, because She was so hard up?

    No.  Claire is a true believer.  

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  18. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    I also wrote a post about cancelling my subscription and had it promoted and then demoted to the main feed. That was fun to watch.

    Feel like giving us a link to it?

    Oh here it is.  Turns out a lot of my posts are for some podcast I do…

    https://ricochet.com/836455/cancelling-my-own-damn-national-review-subscription/

     

     

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  19. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Oh my, beginning to think NR is hopelessly lost.

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  20. Django Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Oh my, beginning to think NR is hopelessly lost.

    Steorts is one of the reasons I dropped my subscription. 

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Oh my, beginning to think NR is hopelessly lost.

    Steorts is one of the reasons I dropped my subscription.

    The left always accuses conservatives of what the left is actually doing, and there are some people even at NR stupid enough to fall for it.

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  22. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    I also wrote a post about cancelling my subscription and had it promoted and then demoted to the main feed. That was fun to watch.

    Feel like giving us a link to it?

    Oh here it is. Turns out a lot of my posts are for some podcast I do…

    https://ricochet.com/836455/cancelling-my-own-damn-national-review-subscription/

     

     

    Ah yes. 

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  23. Steven Seward Member
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    The more I think about it, the more National Review has become a wishy-washy conservative magazine.  Even Andrew McCarthy is crumbling.  He used to be good.  American Spectator is a lot better even though I consider publisher Melissa Mackenzie to be a little flaky.

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  24. Blondie Thatcher
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    Even Andrew McCarthy is crumbling.  He used to be good. 

    McCarthy can’t come to terms with the fact that the agencies he used to work for/rely on when he was a prosecutor are corrupt now. Even after the mountains of evidence, he still gives them a pass. I know it’s hard to realize people/institutions you once had trust in are not trustworthy anymore, but after a while you just have to accept it and move on. I think he still is in disbelief about the Russiagate hoax. At least he finally admitted that one. 

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  25. J Climacus Member
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    Blondie (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    Even Andrew McCarthy is crumbling. He used to be good.

    McCarthy can’t come to terms with the fact that the agencies he used to work for/rely on when he was a prosecutor are corrupt now. Even after the mountains of evidence, he still gives them a pass. I know it’s hard to realize people/institutions you once had trust in are not trustworthy anymore, but after a while you just have to accept it and move on. I think he still is in disbelief about the Russiagate hoax. At least he finally admitted that one.

    This is a conclusion a lot of us are struggling with.  There is a big difference between an institution that has some corrupt individuals in it, and an institution that is itself fundamentally corrupt.  I’ve always thought that an aspect of “American exceptionalism” is that our institutions are fundamentally sound. I’ve always believed the FBI was fundamentally sound despite some corrupt individuals (even including J. Edgar Hoover). 

    But recently I’ve had to accept the fact that the FBI is now fundamentally corrupt, which strikes a blow at my view of “American exceptionalism.” It means accepting the fact that America is no longer exceptional, or at least isn’t as exceptional as I thought it was. That’s a depressing thing to come to terms with.

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  26. Red Herring Coolidge
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    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Blondie (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    Even Andrew McCarthy is crumbling. He used to be good.

    McCarthy can’t come to terms with the fact that the agencies he used to work for/rely on when he was a prosecutor are corrupt now. Even after the mountains of evidence, he still gives them a pass. I know it’s hard to realize people/institutions you once had trust in are not trustworthy anymore, but after a while you just have to accept it and move on. I think he still is in disbelief about the Russiagate hoax. At least he finally admitted that one.

    This is a conclusion a lot of us are struggling with. There is a big difference between an institution that has some corrupt individuals in it, and an institution that is itself fundamentally corrupt. I’ve always thought that an aspect of “American exceptionalism” is that our institutions are fundamentally sound. I’ve always believed the FBI was fundamentally sound despite some corrupt individuals (even including J. Edgar Hoover).

    But recently I’ve had to accept the fact that the FBI is now fundamentally corrupt, which strikes a blow at my view of “American exceptionalism.” It means accepting the fact that America is no longer exceptional, or at least isn’t as exceptional as I thought it was. That’s a depressing thing to come to terms with.

    Yes, it is. Like I told one of them, I don’t know if I am going on the cruise to hear what is on their mind or to give them a piece of my mind. Looking like the latter will happen at some point.

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  27. Chris O Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Oh my, beginning to think NR is hopelessly lost.

    Steorts is one of the reasons I dropped my subscription.

    The left always accuses conservatives of what the left is actually doing, and there are some people even at NR stupid enough to fall for it.

    All I see in that mishmash of language is Eric Idle saying, “And our father’s fathers’ fathers’ fathers’!” Darn Romans.

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  28. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Oh my, beginning to think NR is hopelessly lost.

    Steorts is one of the reasons I dropped my subscription.

    Steorts is the priss that took public exception to Steyn’s retelling of the “fruit cordial” joke.

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  29. Red Herring Coolidge
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    This is a good reason to be on ricochet. The NR comments section has become a cesspool, too.

    The Steorts article was the last straw. I signed up on VDH’s Sword of Perseus this AM and am looking at City Journal.  I didn’t cancel my subscription to NR but will let it expire in March. As Bryan says, you don’t give money to people who look down on you. They are at war with the wrong side. Besides, I spend more time on ricochet than NRPlus these days anyway. I am sorry it came to this. 

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  30. John Park Member
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    On-line, I read a lot more at The American Spectator than at NRO. I still get both in print.

    My print favorite is The New Criterion.

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