Without Evidence

 

Disappointing headline of the day: “Trump Claims Without Evidence John Fetterman Does Drugs in Wild PA Speech: He Dresses ‘Like a Teenager Getting High in his Parents’ Basement’”

Former President Donald Trump accused Pennsylvania lieutenant governor and Democratic Senate candidate John Fetterman of doing hard drugs, all without producing any kind of tangible evidence to back his claim up.

They have to speak English as a distant second language to not understand Trump’s actual meaning. Here is the actual sentence:

Fetterman may dress like a teenager getting high in his parents’ basement, but he’s a raging lunatic hellbent on springing hardened criminals out of jail in the middle of the worst crime wave in Pennsylvania history.

Trump is not criticizing Fetterman’s alleged drug use. He’s criticizing Fetterman’s alleged wardrobe.

So by defending Fetterman’s alleged drug use, are they admitting he is the “raging lunatic hellbent on springing hardened criminals from jail?”

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Fetterman is a Trust Fund Baby who was still being supported by his parents at age 50.

    Set aside the stroke and likely brain damage resulting in his inability to string two complete sentences together (which makes him Presidential material in 2022, I guess), he plays up this working class image when he’s never held a job in his life. While I suspect that is typical of his class, I’m not sure someone like that should be Senator.

    (To be fair, I don’t want McConnell being Senator either.)

    Whether or not Fetterman should be senator, he probably will be senator, thanks to Trump’s pushing Oz.

    Not really.  It would be due to voters stupid enough to vote for Fetterman, or not vote for Oz.

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  2. Henry Racette Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Fetterman is a Trust Fund Baby who was still being supported by his parents at age 50.

    Set aside the stroke and likely brain damage resulting in his inability to string two complete sentences together (which makes him Presidential material in 2022, I guess), he plays up this working class image when he’s never held a job in his life. While I suspect that is typical of his class, I’m not sure someone like that should be Senator.

    (To be fair, I don’t want McConnell being Senator either.)

    Whether or not Fetterman should be senator, he probably will be senator, thanks to Trump’s pushing Oz.

    Not really. It would be due to voters stupid enough to vote for Fetterman, or not vote for Oz.

    No, it’s a fair observation from Jean — at least in principle. I don’t know what alternatives were available, what Trump’s influence had over the primary process, and who might have won the primary had Trump not recommended this Oz fellow. But if Trump threw his support behind someone who is unlikely to win (and I do not know that he did) and if that support cost a better candidate a shot, then Trump does have responsibility should Oz lose.

    That doesn’t mean Trump was wrong. I don’t know enough about the choices to say that. But he has influence and authority, and so has responsibility for how he uses that.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Fetterman is a Trust Fund Baby who was still being supported by his parents at age 50.

    Set aside the stroke and likely brain damage resulting in his inability to string two complete sentences together (which makes him Presidential material in 2022, I guess), he plays up this working class image when he’s never held a job in his life. While I suspect that is typical of his class, I’m not sure someone like that should be Senator.

    (To be fair, I don’t want McConnell being Senator either.)

    Whether or not Fetterman should be senator, he probably will be senator, thanks to Trump’s pushing Oz.

    Not really. It would be due to voters stupid enough to vote for Fetterman, or not vote for Oz.

    No, it’s a fair observation from Jean — at least in principle. I don’t know what alternatives were available, what Trump’s influence had over the primary process, and who might have won the primary had Trump not recommended this Oz fellow. But if Trump threw his support behind someone who is unlikely to win (and I do not know that he did) and if that support cost a better candidate a shot, then Trump does have responsibility should Oz lose.

    That doesn’t mean Trump was wrong. I don’t know enough about the choices to say that. But he has influence and authority, and so has responsibility for how he uses that.

    I mean in terms of “the primary is over.” The voters made those choices.  Now the voters get to choose if they want even a possibly-questionable Republican, or a brain-damaged-and-he-wasn’t-much-even-before-that Dimocrat.  That’s entirely on THEM.

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  4. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Seems like the media wanted him as the Republican nominee, because they were certain Hillary would mop the floor with him.  So up until after he won, they weren’t that hard on him.

    You think the media was easy on Trump during the 2016 campaign?

    Maybe I remember things differently (incorrectly) but they where not easy on him at all. They mistakenly provided his campaign with hours and hours of coverage of his campaign events and speeches thinking that their negative analysis of the events would sink his support….

    They miscalculated in that enough voters have a credibility deficit with the media. IF they bothered watching the media analysis of the Trump event, enough concluded the media where wrong or lairs.

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  5. Painter Jean Moderator
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

     

    Yes, yes, we know you hate Trump. But Trump didn’t vote in PA. The people of PA did. And Oz is their chosen candidate.

    Please focus your hate on those who actually did the voting.

    No, I don’t hate Trump, though I’m sure it’s very convenient for you to pretend that anyone who isn’t on board with the whole stolen election crap must hate Trump. Trump put forward Oz, because…why exactly? Because Oz was a TV clebrity like Trump. It certainly wasn’t because Oz had any conservative background. But since Trump promoted him, the Trump disciples went with Oz because their master Trump said to.  The probable loss of that senate seat is on Trump.

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  6. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Yes, yes, we know you hate Trump. But Trump didn’t vote in PA. The people of PA did. And Oz is their chosen candidate.

    Please focus your hate on those who actually did the voting.

    No, I don’t hate Trump, though I’m sure it’s very convenient for you to pretend that anyone who isn’t on board with the whole stolen election crap must hate Trump. Trump put forward Oz, because…why exactly? Because Oz was a TV clebrity like Trump. It certainly wasn’t because Oz had any conservative background. But since Trump promoted him, the Trump disciples went with Oz because their master Trump said to. The probable loss of that senate seat is on Trump.

    I dont think OZ will lose.

    As Trump has said … Look at this guy? You think we’re going to lose to THAT guy?

    And then look at Oz….

    Sometimes its true, politics is show business for the uglos. We talk about policies and tactics all day long, but sometimes it just boils down to which guy sounds better, looks better and makes you feel better…

    Look at that guy, then look at OZ. Knowing nothing – which is frankly how nearly half the electorate votes – which one would you pick?

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Seems like the media wanted him as the Republican nominee, because they were certain Hillary would mop the floor with him. So up until after he won, they weren’t that hard on him.

    You think the media was easy on Trump during the 2016 campaign?

    Maybe I remember things differently (incorrectly) but they where not easy on him at all. They mistakenly provided his campaign with hours and hours of coverage of his campaign events and speeches thinking that their negative analysis of the events would sink his support….

    They miscalculated in that enough voters have a credibility deficit with the media. IF they bothered watched the media analysis of the Trump event, enough concluded the media where wrong or lairs.

    I think they wanted him as the Republican nominee, yes.  Is that actually still in doubt?  So up to the primaries in 2016, they gave him basically free advertising etc.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

     

    Yes, yes, we know you hate Trump. But Trump didn’t vote in PA. The people of PA did. And Oz is their chosen candidate.

    Please focus your hate on those who actually did the voting.

    No, I don’t hate Trump, though I’m sure it’s very convenient for you to pretend that anyone who isn’t on board with the whole stolen election crap must hate Trump. Trump put forward Oz, because…why exactly? Because Oz was a TV clebrity like Trump. It certainly wasn’t because Oz had any conservative background. But since Trump promoted him, the Trump disciples went with Oz because their master Trump said to. The probable loss of that senate seat is on Trump.

    I dont think OZ will loose.

    As Trump has said … Look at this guy? You think we’re going to loose to THAT guy?

    And then look at Oz….

    Sometimes its true, politics is show business for the uglos. We talk about policies and tactics all day long, but sometimes it just boils down to which guy sounds better, looks better and makes you feel better…

    Look at that guy, then look at OZ. Knowing nothing – which is frankly how nearly half the electorate votes – which one would you pick?

    A lot of people will vote for the name with a D after it, regardless.  In some cases apparently, even if they’re actually deceased come election day.

    Or as @jameslileks pointed out years ago on a Northern Alliance Radio Network show (at least I think it was James, unless it was Mitch Berg…) a lot of people would vote for a set of wind-up chattering teeth with a D(FL) sticker on them.

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  9. Painter Jean Moderator
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Fetterman is a Trust Fund Baby who was still being supported by his parents at age 50.

    Set aside the stroke and likely brain damage resulting in his inability to string two complete sentences together (which makes him Presidential material in 2022, I guess), he plays up this working class image when he’s never held a job in his life. While I suspect that is typical of his class, I’m not sure someone like that should be Senator.

    (To be fair, I don’t want McConnell being Senator either.)

    Whether or not Fetterman should be senator, he probably will be senator, thanks to Trump’s pushing Oz.

    Not really. It would be due to voters stupid enough to vote for Fetterman, or not vote for Oz.

    Yes, but hello – earth calling Trump apologist – the choice of the mediocre Oz wouldn’t be there except for Trump wanting to promote a TV celebrity like him, and Trump fans stupidly going along with whatever Trump wants. Idiots.

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  10. Painter Jean Moderator
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

     

    Yes, yes, we know you hate Trump. But Trump didn’t vote in PA. The people of PA did. And Oz is their chosen candidate.

    Please focus your hate on those who actually did the voting.

    No, I don’t hate Trump, though I’m sure it’s very convenient for you to pretend that anyone who isn’t on board with the whole stolen election crap must hate Trump. Trump put forward Oz, because…why exactly? Because Oz was a TV clebrity like Trump. It certainly wasn’t because Oz had any conservative background. But since Trump promoted him, the Trump disciples went with Oz because their master Trump said to. The probable loss of that senate seat is on Trump.

    I dont think OZ will loose.

    As Trump has said … Look at this guy? You think we’re going to loose to THAT guy?

    And then look at Oz….

    Sometimes its true, politics is show business for the uglos. We talk about policies and tactics all day long, but sometimes it just boils down to which guy sounds better, looks better and makes you feel better…

    Look at that guy, then look at OZ. Knowing nothing – which is frankly how nearly half the electorate votes – which one would you pick?

    A lot of people will vote for the name with a D after it, regardless. In some cases apparently, even if they’re actually deceased come election day.

    Or as @ jameslileks pointed out years ago on a Northern Alliance Radio Network show (at least I think it was James, unless it was Mitch Berg…) a lot of people would vote for a set of wind-up chattering teeth with a D(FL) sticker on them.

    Just a hint – it’s “lose” not “loose”. It so helps your argument when you can spell correctly. 

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    Just a hint – it’s “lose” not “loose”. It so helps your argument when you can spell correctly. 

    It so helps your argument when you can quote correctly.  That was OccupantCDN, not me.

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  12. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    Just a hint – it’s “lose” not “loose”. It so helps your argument when you can spell correctly. 

    Sorry. Homophones often confuse me  Loose/lose where/were and the forever theirs…

    IF I post in a hurry I often miss those typos. Thanks for pointing it out, I’ll slow down and try to correct those more in the future.

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  13. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Trump often gives his media opponents ammunition. Why make the stupid comment about the guy’s wardrobe? Mention his policies. Leave it at that.

    You should have heard Salena Zito’s comment on his dress. She calls it insulting to working people whom he is alleged to try and be emulating. If this is what he thinks is appropriate attire for a job interview then it shows a lack of seriousness. 

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  14. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

     

    Yes, yes, we know you hate Trump. But Trump didn’t vote in PA. The people of PA did. And Oz is their chosen candidate.

    Please focus your hate on those who actually did the voting.

    No, I don’t hate Trump, though I’m sure it’s very convenient for you to pretend that anyone who isn’t on board with the whole stolen election crap must hate Trump. Trump put forward Oz, because…why exactly? Because Oz was a TV clebrity like Trump. It certainly wasn’t because Oz had any conservative background. But since Trump promoted him, the Trump disciples went with Oz because their master Trump said to. The probable loss of that senate seat is on Trump.

    Trump backed his friend, which is to be expected. I thought that McCormick was a better candidate, but he didn’t win, and frankly it’s not clear that he would have won in the general. It’s not like PA is a red state and it’s not like Oz is Roy Moore. From what I’ve seen of Oz he is smart and is campaigning hard by going around and listening to people. He is engaging in retail politics and doing it well. The denigration of him as a candidate is premature and not helpful. 

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  15. Skyler Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Fetterman is a Trust Fund Baby who was still being supported by his parents at age 50.

    Set aside the stroke and likely brain damage resulting in his inability to string two complete sentences together (which makes him Presidential material in 2022, I guess), he plays up this working class image when he’s never held a job in his life. While I suspect that is typical of his class, I’m not sure someone like that should be Senator.

    (To be fair, I don’t want McConnell being Senator either.)

    Whether or not Fetterman should be senator, he probably will be senator, thanks to Trump’s pushing Oz.

    Not really. It would be due to voters stupid enough to vote for Fetterman, or not vote for Oz.

    Yes, but hello – earth calling Trump apologist – the choice of the mediocre Oz wouldn’t be there except for Trump wanting to promote a TV celebrity like him, and Trump fans stupidly going along with whatever Trump wants. Idiots.

    This is why:  You call him “the mediocre Oz.”  Why?  Will he be worse than Murkowski?

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  16. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Trump often gives his media opponents ammunition. Why make the stupid comment about the guy’s wardrobe? Mention his policies. Leave it at that.

    Because he’s Trump. He’s going to say the unsaid. He’s going to point it out. Do you really want to be represented by this slob?

    I care more about a candidate’s positions and ideas than I do about their appearance. 

    Good for you.  You are being rational and don’t let feelings get into your political choices. Unlike normal people, who allow things like feelings to be involved. The fact someone dresses sloppy makes us feel a certain way about them should be ignored. 

    And that is notmhow it works. Attacks on appearance work.

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  17. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

     

    Yes, yes, we know you hate Trump. But Trump didn’t vote in PA. The people of PA did. And Oz is their chosen candidate.

    Please focus your hate on those who actually did the voting.

    No, I don’t hate Trump, though I’m sure it’s very convenient for you to pretend that anyone who isn’t on board with the whole stolen election crap must hate Trump. Trump put forward Oz, because…why exactly? Because Oz was a TV clebrity like Trump. It certainly wasn’t because Oz had any conservative background. But since Trump promoted him, the Trump disciples went with Oz because their master Trump said to. The probable loss of that senate seat is on Trump.

    1) Yes you hate Trump.

    2) You are mind-reading President Trump again re: his reasons for supporting Oz. And of course, you read the most shallow interpretation.

    3) The use of “disciples” and “their master Trump” shows your contempt for Pennsylvania voters, viewing them as a cult following a cult leader.

    I wish you’d stop this runaway hatred before it consumes you.

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  18. Flicker Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Trump often gives his media opponents ammunition. Why make the stupid comment about the guy’s wardrobe? Mention his policies. Leave it at that.

    Because he’s Trump. He’s going to say the unsaid. He’s going to point it out. Do you really want to be represented by this slob?

    I care more about a candidate’s positions and ideas than I do about their appearance. So no, if I was a Democrat and liked his positions, I wouldn’t mind being represented by that slob. I’m not a Democrat so it’s not a choice I’m making, but still – the federal government suffers from gross incompetence and bad ideas, not bad wardrobe.

    I agree. How one dresses is unimportant.  But John Kasich “eats like a slob”.  Talks with his mouth full.  Doesn’t speak in complete sentences, either.  But no use in the White House for anyone who doesn’t dress for dinner.  Enough said.  :)

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  19. Flicker Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    loose

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Trump often gives his media opponents ammunition. Why make the stupid comment about the guy’s wardrobe? Mention his policies. Leave it at that.

    Because he’s Trump. He’s going to say the unsaid. He’s going to point it out. Do you really want to be represented by this slob?

    I care more about a candidate’s positions and ideas than I do about their appearance.

    Good for you. You are being rational and don’t let feelings get into your political choices. Unlike normal people, who allow things like feelings to be involved. The fact someone dresses sloppy makes us feel a certain way about them should be ignored.

    And that is not how it works. Attacks on appearance work.

    Yeah-but, you dress well.  Hypocrisy, fancy dresser!

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  20. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Once again, you have to read what the President actually said in order to get the truth. The Press has been lying like this for six years.

    Isn’t this misinformation? Isn’t this grounds for having the FBI show up at your door?

    Like the FBI is gonna show up at Biden’s door, or Fauci’s door, or Hillary’s door.

    A major way to get to a complete overview of how this nation is run would be for someone to leak  the contents of Epstein’s little black book.

    Someone other than Ghislaine Maxwell must have that book or computer file – as  otherwise she would most likely not have been able to hide in plain sight for all those months. Just who is her protector?

    And wouldn’t you love to see the names of US judges at all levels who had gotten the invite to Epstein’s Never Never Land of underage girls?

    Plus Bill Gates was on his plane 36 times! this means even if we never get the contents of the little black book revealed, all we need is for some powerful someone to put together a lawsuit against the estate of Jeffrey Epstein and then have Bill Gates put under the questio0ning of someone directing depositions.

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  21. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Franco (View Comment):

    So the headline claims, without evidence, that Trump lied about Fetterman.

    Any sixth-grade English student, even in our pathetic public school system, can see that the statement was about the candidates style of dress.

     

    This scenario follows  the Number One Principle the media employs: Tell the lie so often, across so many news platforms that it becomes a Big Enough Lie that people feel must be correct.

    I mean, the media wouldn’t lie to us, would it?

    Any sixth grade student could have realized within six months that the situation with COVID was a massive case of Over-Hype. (Not saying it did not kill as all bad flus do that. But the reaction of lying Fauci, Birx, Gates etc was obvious to some thinking people.)

    And yet two and a half years later, tourists to my area arrive all masked up.  And spend part of their vacation time lining up at the Safeway grocery store to get the monkey pox vaccine.

    The Jan 6th narrative has been effectively utilized to show how masses of Domestic Terrorists so intimidated Democrat Party leaders that all MAGA supporters must now be considered dangerous.

    Few people know hat some conservative House members would have made statements about reasons to de-certify the Nov 2020 election. This is because the statements about serious election irregularities were never made due to Pence’s activities and of course, due to Congress being shut down.

     

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  22. Percival Thatcher
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Once again, you have to read what the President actually said in order to get the truth. The Press has been lying like this for six years.

    Isn’t this misinformation? Isn’t this grounds for having the FBI show up at your door?

    Like the FBI is gonna show up at Biden’s door, or Fauci’s door, or Hillary’s door.

    A major way to get to a complete overview of how this nation is run would be for someone to leak the contents of Epstein’s little black book.

    Someone other than Ghislaine Maxwell must have that book or computer file – as otherwise she would most likely not have been able to hide in plain sight for all those months. Just who is her protector?

    And wouldn’t you love to see the names of US judges at all levels who had gotten the invite to Epstein’s Never Never Land of underage girls?

    Plus Bill Gates was on his plane 36 times! this means even if we never get the contents of the little black book revealed, all we need is for some powerful someone to put together a lawsuit against the estate of Jeffrey Epstein and then have Bill Gates put under the questio0ning of someone directing depositions.

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  23. Painter Jean Moderator
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

     

    Yes, yes, we know you hate Trump. But Trump didn’t vote in PA. The people of PA did. And Oz is their chosen candidate.

    Please focus your hate on those who actually did the voting.

    No, I don’t hate Trump, though I’m sure it’s very convenient for you to pretend that anyone who isn’t on board with the whole stolen election crap must hate Trump. Trump put forward Oz, because…why exactly? Because Oz was a TV clebrity like Trump. It certainly wasn’t because Oz had any conservative background. But since Trump promoted him, the Trump disciples went with Oz because their master Trump said to. The probable loss of that senate seat is on Trump.

    1) Yes you hate Trump.

    2) You are mind-reading President Trump again re: his reasons for supporting Oz. And of course, you read the most shallow interpretation.

    3) The use of “disciples” and “their master Trump” shows your contempt for Pennsylvania voters, viewing them as a cult following a cult leader.

    I wish you’d stop this runaway hatred before it consumes you.

    1. No, I don’t hate Trump. I don’t like him, though I voted for him. I liked many of his policies. I don’t think I hate anyone – actually,  I take that back as I certainly hate Biden, Soros, and others on the Left who are intent on destroying this country.

    2. Fair enough – I don’t know why Trump promoted Oz. But whatever his reason, it seems a poor choice (though I hear that Oz is actively campaigning, which is a hopeful sign).

    3. My choice of words reflects what I see: a devotion to Trump that is very akin to what I saw with Obama supporters.  As an American, I  don’t like adulation given to politicians. I didn’t like it with Obama, I don’t like it with Trump.

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  24. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Trump often gives his media opponents ammunition. Why make the stupid comment about the guy’s wardrobe? Mention his policies. Leave it at that.

    Because he’s Trump. He’s going to say the unsaid. He’s going to point it out. Do you really want to be represented by this slob?

    I care more about a candidate’s positions and ideas than I do about their appearance.

    Good for you. You are being rational and don’t let feelings get into your political choices. Unlike normal people, who allow things like feelings to be involved. The fact someone dresses sloppy makes us feel a certain way about them should be ignored.

    And that is notmhow it works. Attacks on appearance work.

    It was wrong to give people voting rights without property.

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  25. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    1. No, I don’t hate Trump. I don’t like him, though I voted for him. I liked many of his policies. I don’t think I hate anyone – actually,  I take that back as I certainly hate Biden, Soros, and others on the Left who are intent on destroying this country.

    2. Fair enough – I don’t know why Trump promoted Oz. But whatever his reason, it seems a poor choice (though I hear that Oz is actively campaigning, which is a hopeful sign).

    3. My choice of words reflects what I see: a devotion to Trump that is very akin to what I saw with Obama supporters.  As an American, I  don’t like adulation given to politicians. I didn’t like it with Obama, I don’t like it with Trump.

    1. Fair enough. Most politicians are terrible people – could you imagine being stuck in an elevator with some random congressman? There are very few that I would be really interested in meeting – let alone attempt a  conversation with.
    2. Oz probably said something positive about Trump or MAGA. That’s really all it takes, be nice to Trump and he’s nice back. He’s just a teddy bear that wears his need for acceptance on his sleeve.
    3. 2 Great examples of undeserved leadership. In a healthy democracy neither one would have made it beyond a legislative seat.  Obama, the community organizer turned senator, who accomplished nothing – took no strong stands on any controversial issue. Voted present more often than anyone… Trump the bloviator property developer, casino bankrupter from Queens, who was rejected by the Manhattan high society, and carried that chip on his shoulder all the way to the white house…

     

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  26. Henry Racette Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    1. No, I don’t hate Trump. I don’t like him, though I voted for him. I liked many of his policies. I don’t think I hate anyone – actually, I take that back as I certainly hate Biden, Soros, and others on the Left who are intent on destroying this country.

    2. Fair enough – I don’t know why Trump promoted Oz. But whatever his reason, it seems a poor choice (though I hear that Oz is actively campaigning, which is a hopeful sign).

    3. My choice of words reflects what I see: a devotion to Trump that is very akin to what I saw with Obama supporters. As an American, I don’t like adulation given to politicians. I didn’t like it with Obama, I don’t like it with Trump.

    1. Fair enough. Most politicians are terrible people – could you imagine being stuck in an elevator with some random congressman? There are very few that I would be really interested in meeting – let alone attempt a conversation with.
    2. Oz probably said something positive about Trump or MAGA. That’s really all it takes, be nice to Trump and he’s nice back. He’s just a teddy bear that wears his need for acceptance on his sleeve.
    3. 2 Great examples of undeserved leadership. In a healthy democracy neither one would have made it beyond a legislative seat. Obama, the community organizer turned senator, who accomplished nothing – took no strong stands on any controversial issue. Voted present more often than anyone… Trump the bloviator property developer, casino bankrupter from Queens, who was rejected by the Manhattan high society, and carried that chip on his shoulder all the way to the white house…

     

    I also don’t like being overly focused on an individual, versus the ideas they promote. What makes the case of Trump a little different is that he has been cast as a moral and political representative of a significant constituency — a constituency the left wants to vilify. That constituency is the same one Obama described as “clingers,” the middle class riff-raff of flyover country, the poor slobs who shop at Wal*Mart and go to church on Sunday and probably never went to college and don’t reflexively believe that America is a bad place.

    For the left, Trump simultaneously caricatures and represents those people: his awfulness is their awfulness, his foolishness is their foolishness, and his evil (though they won’t say it outright) is their evil.

    That makes Trump a special case, in my opinion.

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  27. Painter Jean Moderator
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    1. No, I don’t hate Trump. I don’t like him, though I voted for him. I liked many of his policies. I don’t think I hate anyone – actually, I take that back as I certainly hate Biden, Soros, and others on the Left who are intent on destroying this country.

    2. Fair enough – I don’t know why Trump promoted Oz. But whatever his reason, it seems a poor choice (though I hear that Oz is actively campaigning, which is a hopeful sign).

    3. My choice of words reflects what I see: a devotion to Trump that is very akin to what I saw with Obama supporters. As an American, I don’t like adulation given to politicians. I didn’t like it with Obama, I don’t like it with Trump.

    1. Fair enough. Most politicians are terrible people – could you imagine being stuck in an elevator with some random congressman? There are very few that I would be really interested in meeting – let alone attempt a conversation with.
    2. Oz probably said something positive about Trump or MAGA. That’s really all it takes, be nice to Trump and he’s nice back. He’s just a teddy bear that wears his need for acceptance on his sleeve.
    3. 2 Great examples of undeserved leadership. In a healthy democracy neither one would have made it beyond a legislative seat. Obama, the community organizer turned senator, who accomplished nothing – took no strong stands on any controversial issue. Voted present more often than anyone… Trump the bloviator property developer, casino bankrupter from Queens, who was rejected by the Manhattan high society, and carried that chip on his shoulder all the way to the white house…

     

    I also don’t like being overly focused on an individual, versus the ideas they promote. What makes the case of Trump a little different is that he has been cast as a moral and political representative of a significant constituency — a constituency the left wants to vilify. That constituency is the same one Obama described as “clingers,” the middle class riff-raff of flyover country, the poor slobs who shop at Wal*Mart and go to church on Sunday and probably never went to college and don’t reflexively believe that America is a bad place.

    For the left, Trump simultaneously caricatures and represents those people: his awfulness is their awfulness, his foolishness is their foolishness, and his evil (though they won’t say it outright) is their evil.

    That makes Trump a special case, in my opinion.

    Thanks – that’s good food for thought.

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  28. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    1. No, I don’t hate Trump. I don’t like him, though I voted for him. I liked many of his policies. I don’t think I hate anyone – actually, I take that back as I certainly hate Biden, Soros, and others on the Left who are intent on destroying this country.

    2. Fair enough – I don’t know why Trump promoted Oz. But whatever his reason, it seems a poor choice (though I hear that Oz is actively campaigning, which is a hopeful sign).

    3. My choice of words reflects what I see: a devotion to Trump that is very akin to what I saw with Obama supporters. As an American, I don’t like adulation given to politicians. I didn’t like it with Obama, I don’t like it with Trump.

    1. Fair enough. Most politicians are terrible people – could you imagine being stuck in an elevator with some random congressman? There are very few that I would be really interested in meeting – let alone attempt a conversation with.
    2. Oz probably said something positive about Trump or MAGA. That’s really all it takes, be nice to Trump and he’s nice back. He’s just a teddy bear that wears his need for acceptance on his sleeve.
    3. 2 Great examples of undeserved leadership. In a healthy democracy neither one would have made it beyond a legislative seat. Obama, the community organizer turned senator, who accomplished nothing – took no strong stands on any controversial issue. Voted present more often than anyone… Trump the bloviator property developer, casino bankrupter from Queens, who was rejected by the Manhattan high society, and carried that chip on his shoulder all the way to the white house…

     

    I also don’t like being overly focused on an individual, versus the ideas they promote. What makes the case of Trump a little different is that he has been cast as a moral and political representative of a significant constituency — a constituency the left wants to vilify. That constituency is the same one Obama described as “clingers,” the middle class riff-raff of flyover country, the poor slobs who shop at Wal*Mart and go to church on Sunday and probably never went to college and don’t reflexively believe that America is a bad place.

    For the left, Trump simultaneously caricatures and represents those people: his awfulness is their awfulness, his foolishness is their foolishness, and his evil (though they won’t say it outright) is their evil.

    That makes Trump a special case, in my opinion.

    0bama: bitter clingers to guns and Bibles — sad, paranoid, cultish
    Clinton: deplorables, irredeemables — bad, unfixable
    Biden: domestic terrorists, fascists — killers, killable

    There’s the progression.

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  29. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

     

    Yes, yes, we know you hate Trump. But Trump didn’t vote in PA. The people of PA did. And Oz is their chosen candidate.

    Please focus your hate on those who actually did the voting.

    No, I don’t hate Trump, though I’m sure it’s very convenient for you to pretend that anyone who isn’t on board with the whole stolen election crap must hate Trump. Trump put forward Oz, because…why exactly? Because Oz was a TV clebrity like Trump. It certainly wasn’t because Oz had any conservative background. But since Trump promoted him, the Trump disciples went with Oz because their master Trump said to. The probable loss of that senate seat is on Trump.

    1) Yes you hate Trump.

    2) You are mind-reading President Trump again re: his reasons for supporting Oz. And of course, you read the most shallow interpretation.

    3) The use of “disciples” and “their master Trump” shows your contempt for Pennsylvania voters, viewing them as a cult following a cult leader.

    I wish you’d stop this runaway hatred before it consumes you.

    1. No, I don’t hate Trump. I don’t like him, though I voted for him. I liked many of his policies. I don’t think I hate anyone – actually, I take that back as I certainly hate Biden, Soros, and others on the Left who are intent on destroying this country.

    2. Fair enough – I don’t know why Trump promoted Oz. But whatever his reason, it seems a poor choice (though I hear that Oz is actively campaigning, which is a hopeful sign).

    3. My choice of words reflects what I see: a devotion to Trump that is very akin to what I saw with Obama supporters. As an American, I don’t like adulation given to politicians. I didn’t like it with Obama, I don’t like it with Trump.

    Oz is considered weak only because the RINOs tell us we are supposed to think that way. 

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  30. OccupantCDN Coolidge
    OccupantCDN
    @OccupantCDN

    Tucker Carlson looks into the records of “achievements” of Fetterman:

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