Why Trump? Why Ultra-MAGA?

 

Recently there has been more interest in why Trump is being decried, persecuted and potentially prosecuted.  And recently a member who identified himself and perhaps a Trump supporter but one who doesn’t want to see Trump run for re-election looked at the past and present behaviors of the three-letter agencies and concluded that something wasn’t right, something didn’t add up.  And I think he was a little disturbed at a pattern he saw.  Something did not make sense to him, regarding the Mar-a-Lago raid.  Somewhere in his comment, I thought I saw an amazement that they would do this, and wonderment at what they hoped to accomplish.  And it got me thinking of all the various reasons why the decision-makers in the Biden Administration might have done this.  Why kill, capture, or disable this one man, Donald Trump?  The following is an attempt to broadly answer this question.

To the government writ large, Trump is either a threat or an opportunity.

Let’s look at the threat first.

If the election is honest and fair, Trump could win the election, and with his ego and confidence, his drive and determination, his intellect and his experience, his entrepreneurial business style, his (yes, I’d call it) charming personality, with his grudges or displeasures at seeing the undermining of legal authority and what we call the flouting of the Constitution, he would work to end the present (and arguably, irrevocably corrupt) political order.  And he could do it.  This would end the careers and alter the lives of thousands of people within the government and many thousands outside of government.  But would he win the election?  No, the election will not be honest and fair.  (But elections have consequences — even rigged ones.)

So, what is wrong with letting Trump run?  Perhaps, Trump’s losing the election would be seen as Democratic corruption, and he could lead the armed half of the country in a rebellion against the corrupt powers.  In this case, elections have consequences.

Or his rigged losing could be an incidental catalyst for a mass armed uprising.  This would explain both preemptively barring him from office and the barbed wire around Congress.  In this case, too, elections have consequences.

Or more mildly, even if Trump doesn’t run for election, Trump would remain a political mover and shaker and lead public sentiment, and by his endorsements affect the results of down-ballot elections.  So, not all elections have consequences.

Or, Trump may represent or embody the spirit of discontent in the populace and invigorate their desire to change the political order which would remain as a dormant fear for those in power.  Elections don’t have consequences.

Or more fundamentally, Trump may find himself in a position like Ceausescu or Chavez who were both sentenced to prison before rising up again and taking dictatorial control of their countries.  This seems highly unlikely due to his advanced age after a prison term, and because he does not fit the mold of a fascist leader; certainly not a man whose wife has sought and achieved a questionable and vainglorious “doctorate” in order to rise within the shadow of her husband’s stature (like Elena Ceausescu and Jill Biden).  So, too, does prison have consequences.

So long as Trump is alive, if Trump doesn’t submit, he remains a threat.

***

Now let’s look at the opportunities.

Trump is the brains and the will and the symbol of all those who are simmering under increasing oppression, retraction of rights, energy depletion, infrastructure destruction, economic impoverishment, and famine, as well as cultural upheaval, loss of national identity, loss of mobility, the mental and physical sexual mutilation of their children.

The symbol must be struck down in order to strike down the simmering discontent of the populace.

Trump presents an opportunity to strike at these people, by defaming him, calling him a criminal, treating him as a criminal and arresting him, impoverishing and imprisoning him.

Trump represents an opportunity to indirectly threaten those who see Trump as a focus point for their anger and their hopes.

The extreme persecution of Trump demonstrates the ability and willingness to do the same to everyone no matter how high or low.

Blaming Trump not only completely refocuses the masses attention on Trump but it takes it off of the dire effects of the Biden Administration’s policies.

And blaming Trump for the country’s ills is at least for some a functional excuse for the destructive effects of economic and social policies that they are carrying out.

(As an aside, does anyone really think that covid is an imminent existential threat to humanity when those mandating the mass containment policies happily violate their own life-saving rules?  Does anyone think that those mandating Green policies actually see Global Warming as an imminent existential threat if they continue to drive SUVs and fly in private jets?  Does anyone really think that Black lives matter to the leaders of Black Lives Matter when the leaders of the movement took all the donated money and bought luxurious mansions?)

But wait (as they say).  There’s more.

Blaming Trump gives those in the country who are not obstinate, or patriotic, or productive, or clear thinkers something to think about and something to do.

They are taught to shun the obstinate ones.
They are told to scorn the obstinate ones, the bitter clingers.
They are told to harass the obstinate ones, the deplorables.
They are told to be afraid of the right-wing Ultra MAGA Trump supporters.
They are told to verbally and physically attack the irredeemable.
They are they are told that others do not deserve their businesses, their jobs, their food, their homes, their trucks, even their children.
They are told that the others are dangerous.
And common dangers unite the endangered.
They are told Trump is an imminent existential threat.
And this is what is being sold to the timid and easily led.

They are also told that they are intrinsically bad, immoral, and in the Green Scheme of things expendable, worthless, ruinous, and the cause of their own suffering.
They are counseled to make do with less, to be satisfied with less.
They are told to be judgmental, vindictive, and punishing.
They are told to conform, and hate others rather than themselves.
And then they are taught to hate themselves.

***

I can’t read Trump’s mind, and I may have gotten things all wrong, but I think Trump stands against what they are being told.  And he is inclusive, and lawful, and optimistic, generous and perhaps even kind.  And, though flawed, he represents this American ideal, which so many Americans hold, and hold out this exceptional American ideal of individual worth, truth, rule of law, justice and the American Way to all Americans, apart from his at times sandpaper personality.

Trump is an avuncular and perhaps carbuncular old man, with a touch of carborundum, but he represents most everything that is diametrically opposed to what the Biden administration is promoting, and I think he is determined to reverse the political order.

Because of what Trump can do and because of what he represents, those who direct the Biden Administration’s policies are making Trump the third imminent existential threat.

They hate him, because they hate you.  And he is willing to stand on the way.

Name one other politician who is willing to do that.  Name one other politician who presents an existential threat to the current political powers.

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  1. Flicker Coolidge
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    I’m not so sure Eisenhower or Reagan would know what to do in 2024. And I have a fundamental (but perhaps not insuperable) objection to De Santis: he’s a politician.

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    “Bought in” is too strong, but DeSantis is on the cusp on going along to get along and being president, or hiding his true intentions to drain the Swamp. Which do you think he’s intent upon?

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    I’m not so sure Eisenhower or Reagan would know what to do in 2024. And I have a fundamental (but perhaps not insuperable) objection to De Santis: he’s a politician.

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    “Bought in” is too strong, but DeSantis is on the cusp on going along to get along and being president, or hiding his true intentions to drain the Swamp. Which do you think he’s intent upon?

    I know this. In the recent past we have not had any kind of leadership on the issues which gave rise to DeSantis. Usually when a Governor does this we see nothing from the national GOP and then Pundits like John Podhoretz or Jonah Goldberg tut tut about “wasting political capital.” I recall the GlOP schmoes lambasting the North Carolina gov over a state ban on tranny bathrooms. 

    I do fear DeSantis either being co-opted or being a decepticon. If he is a decepticon, he is a damned good actor. I don’t think you can fake this though, not convincingly. Ask Mitt.

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    I’m not so sure Eisenhower or Reagan would know what to do in 2024. And I have a fundamental (but perhaps not insuperable) objection to De Santis: he’s a politician.

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    “Bought in” is too strong, but DeSantis is on the cusp on going along to get along and being president, or hiding his true intentions to drain the Swamp. Which do you think he’s intent upon?

    I know this. In the recent past we have not had any kind of leadership on the issues which gave rise to DeSantis. Usually when a Governor does this we see nothing from the national GOP and then Pundits like John Podhoretz or Jonah Goldberg tut tut about “wasting political capital.” I recall the GlOP schmoes lambasting the North Carolina gov over a state ban on tranny bathrooms.

    I do fear DeSantis either being co-opted or being a decepticon. If he is a decepticon, he is a damned good actor. I don’t think you can fake this though, not convincingly. Ask Mitt.

    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling.  Here’s hoping.  But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything.  We all hope for the best.

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    1787Libertarian (View Comment):

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    I’m not so sure Eisenhower or Reagan would know what to do in 2024. And I have a fundamental (but perhaps not insuperable) objection to De Santis: he’s a politician.

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    I don’t know what that is. DeSantis says a lot of the right things. And he does things, too. But Yale, Harvard, SpecOps JAG and the DoJ? That’s a lot of time spent in the heart of the establishment- even the Deep State – even for an outsider.

    Of course Trump had a terrible track record – such as it was – before coming into office. We can never know what is in the hearts of men. Or how they’ll respond to pressure. (John Roberts, Ted Cruz, …)

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    I’m not so sure Eisenhower or Reagan would know what to do in 2024. And I have a fundamental (but perhaps not insuperable) objection to De Santis: he’s a politician.

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    “Bought in” is too strong, but DeSantis is on the cusp on going along to get along and being president, or hiding his true intentions to drain the Swamp. Which do you think he’s intent upon?

    I know this. In the recent past we have not had any kind of leadership on the issues which gave rise to DeSantis. Usually when a Governor does this we see nothing from the national GOP and then Pundits like John Podhoretz or Jonah Goldberg tut tut about “wasting political capital.” I recall the GlOP schmoes lambasting the North Carolina gov over a state ban on tranny bathrooms.

    I do fear DeSantis either being co-opted or being a decepticon. If he is a decepticon, he is a damned good actor. I don’t think you can fake this though, not convincingly. Ask Mitt.

    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has already sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

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    Jeb Bush was a popular and successful governor of Florida. He stood up to the left and even fired Oliphant when she screwed up elections again after the 2000 debacle. He fired her despite the left ‘s constant threats and then attacks that followed. Where is he on your radar now.

    DeSantis gets the attention of the left but nothing like the attacks on Trump. Once they have destroyed Trump, the left will move on to him- if you let the left destroy Trump, rather then the reverse.

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    I’m not so sure Eisenhower or Reagan would know what to do in 2024. And I have a fundamental (but perhaps not insuperable) objection to De Santis: he’s a politician.

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    “Bought in” is too strong, but DeSantis is on the cusp on going along to get along and being president, or hiding his true intentions to drain the Swamp. Which do you think he’s intent upon?

    I know this. In the recent past we have not had any kind of leadership on the issues which gave rise to DeSantis. Usually when a Governor does this we see nothing from the national GOP and then Pundits like John Podhoretz or Jonah Goldberg tut tut about “wasting political capital.” I recall the GlOP schmoes lambasting the North Carolina gov over a state ban on tranny bathrooms.

    I do fear DeSantis either being co-opted or being a decepticon. If he is a decepticon, he is a damned good actor. I don’t think you can fake this though, not convincingly. Ask Mitt.

    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has already sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

    Not to mention that if Trump is on the top of the ticket, the Deep STate will just steal it again. Look, they are not ever going to allow a political outsider that leans populist/freedom to ever sit at that desk again. They fell asleep in 2016 because it was Trump–seriously, freaking TRUMP–but now, with 2020 as the example we should all be looking at, never again. Our elections are shams and if we don’t put up a Bushy loser, then they will just steal the election and call us fascists.

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    Jeb Bush was a popular and successful governor of Florida. He stood up to the left and even fired Oliphant when she screwed up elections again offer the 2000 debacle. He fired her despite the left ‘s constant threats and then attacks that followed. Where is he on your radar now.

    DeSantis gets the attention of the left but nothing like the attacks on Trump. Once they have destroyed Trump, the left will move on to him- if you let the left destroy Trump, rather then the reverse.

    We don’t know how DeSantis would behave globally. What are his ideas about international trade and bringing manufacturing back to the USA? Is this one area where Sundance is concerned that DeSantis’ money comes from internationalists and therefore his positions would be weak in that area? On a more serious note…TRUMP is much easier to type than DeSantis.

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    <snip>

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    “Bought in” is too strong, but DeSantis is on the cusp on going along to get along and being president, or hiding his true intentions to drain the Swamp. Which do you think he’s intent upon?

    I know this. In the recent past we have not had any kind of leadership on the issues which gave rise to DeSantis. Usually when a Governor does this we see nothing from the national GOP and then Pundits like John Podhoretz or Jonah Goldberg tut tut about “wasting political capital.” I recall the GlOP schmoes lambasting the North Carolina gov over a state ban on tranny bathrooms.

    I do fear DeSantis either being co-opted or being a decepticon. If he is a decepticon, he is a damned good actor. I don’t think you can fake this though, not convincingly. Ask Mitt.

    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has already sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

    Not to mention that if Trump is on the top of the ticket, the Deep STate will just steal it again. Look, they are not ever going to allow a political outsider that leans populist/freedom to ever sit at that desk again. They fell asleep in 2016 because it was Trump–seriously, freaking TRUMP–but now, with 2020 as the example we should all be looking at, never again. Our elections are shams and if we don’t put up a Bushy loser, then they will just steal the election and call us fascists.

    The deep state will try to steal any election. That is one reason I have been upset that Trump hasn’t spent much time trying to shore up our election integrity/

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    I’m not so sure Eisenhower or Reagan would know what to do in 2024. And I have a fundamental (but perhaps not insuperable) objection to De Santis: he’s a politician.

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    “Bought in” is too strong, but DeSantis is on the cusp on going along to get along and being president, or hiding his true intentions to drain the Swamp. Which do you think he’s intent upon?

    I know this. In the recent past we have not had any kind of leadership on the issues which gave rise to DeSantis. Usually when a Governor does this we see nothing from the national GOP and then Pundits like John Podhoretz or Jonah Goldberg tut tut about “wasting political capital.” I recall the GlOP schmoes lambasting the North Carolina gov over a state ban on tranny bathrooms.

    I do fear DeSantis either being co-opted or being a decepticon. If he is a decepticon, he is a damned good actor. I don’t think you can fake this though, not convincingly. Ask Mitt.

    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has already sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

    The states should clean up their elections.

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    <snip>

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    “Bought in” is too strong, but DeSantis is on the cusp on going along to get along and being president, or hiding his true intentions to drain the Swamp. Which do you think he’s intent upon?

    I know this. In the recent past we have not had any kind of leadership on the issues which gave rise to DeSantis. Usually when a Governor does this we see nothing from the national GOP and then Pundits like John Podhoretz or Jonah Goldberg tut tut about “wasting political capital.” I recall the GlOP schmoes lambasting the North Carolina gov over a state ban on tranny bathrooms.

    I do fear DeSantis either being co-opted or being a decepticon. If he is a decepticon, he is a damned good actor. I don’t think you can fake this though, not convincingly. Ask Mitt.

    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has already sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

    Not to mention that if Trump is on the top of the ticket, the Deep STate will just steal it again. Look, they are not ever going to allow a political outsider that leans populist/freedom to ever sit at that desk again. They fell asleep in 2016 because it was Trump–seriously, freaking TRUMP–but now, with 2020 as the example we should all be looking at, never again. Our elections are shams and if we don’t put up a Bushy loser, then they will just steal the election and call us fascists.

    The deep state will try to steal any election. That is one reason I have been upset that Trump hasn’t spent much time trying to shore up our election integrity/

    You need strong governors to do that

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    <snip>

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    “Bought in” is too strong, but DeSantis is on the cusp on going along to get along and being president, or hiding his true intentions to drain the Swamp. Which do you think he’s intent upon?

    I know this. In the recent past we have not had any kind of leadership on the issues which gave rise to DeSantis. Usually when a Governor does this we see nothing from the national GOP and then Pundits like John Podhoretz or Jonah Goldberg tut tut about “wasting political capital.” I recall the GlOP schmoes lambasting the North Carolina gov over a state ban on tranny bathrooms.

    I do fear DeSantis either being co-opted or being a decepticon. If he is a decepticon, he is a damned good actor. I don’t think you can fake this though, not convincingly. Ask Mitt.

    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has already sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

    Not to mention that if Trump is on the top of the ticket, the Deep STate will just steal it again. Look, they are not ever going to allow a political outsider that leans populist/freedom to ever sit at that desk again. They fell asleep in 2016 because it was Trump–seriously, freaking TRUMP–but now, with 2020 as the example we should all be looking at, never again. Our elections are shams and if we don’t put up a Bushy loser, then they will just steal the election and call us fascists.

    The deep state will try to steal any election. That is one reason I have been upset that Trump hasn’t spent much time trying to shore up our election integrity/

    Well, what can he do beside continually talking about it?

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    I know this. In the recent past we have not had any kind of leadership on the issues which gave rise to DeSantis. Usually when a Governor does this we see nothing from the national GOP and then Pundits like John Podhoretz or Jonah Goldberg tut tut about “wasting political capital.” I recall the GlOP schmoes lambasting the North Carolina gov over a state ban on tranny bathrooms.

    I do fear DeSantis either being co-opted or being a decepticon. If he is a decepticon, he is a damned good actor. I don’t think you can fake this though, not convincingly. Ask Mitt.

    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has already sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

    Not to mention that if Trump is on the top of the ticket, the Deep STate will just steal it again. Look, they are not ever going to allow a political outsider that leans populist/freedom to ever sit at that desk again. They fell asleep in 2016 because it was Trump–seriously, freaking TRUMP–but now, with 2020 as the example we should all be looking at, never again. Our elections are shams and if we don’t put up a Bushy loser, then they will just steal the election and call us fascists.

    The deep state will try to steal any election. That is one reason I have been upset that Trump hasn’t spent much time trying to shore up our election integrity/

    Well, what can he do beside continually talking about it?

    There are several organizations that are working hard to get states to clean up their voting rolls and abide by their state laws. Does he ever mention them, does he financially support them? I could certainly be wrong, but I do not think so.

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    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has alrea[dy sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

    Not to mention that if Trump is on the top of the ticket, the Deep STate will just steal it again. Look, they are not ever going to allow a political outsider that leans populist/freedom to ever sit at that desk again. They fell asleep in 2016 because it was Trump–seriously, freaking TRUMP–but now, with 2020 as the example we should all be looking at, never again. Our elections are shams and if we don’t put up a Bushy loser, then they will just steal the election and call us fascists.

    The deep state will try to steal any election. That is one reason I have been upset that Trump hasn’t spent much time trying to shore up our election integrity/

    Well, what can he do beside continually talking about it?

    There are several organizations that are working hard to get states to clean up their voting rolls and abide by their state laws. Does he ever mention them, does he financially support them? I could certainly be wrong, but I do not think so.

    The state and party should be doing that.

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    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has alrea[dy sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

    Not to mention that if Trump is on the top of the ticket, the Deep STate will just steal it again. Look, they are not ever going to allow a political outsider that leans populist/freedom to ever sit at that desk again. They fell asleep in 2016 because it was Trump–seriously, freaking TRUMP–but now, with 2020 as the example we should all be looking at, never again. Our elections are shams and if we don’t put up a Bushy loser, then they will just steal the election and call us fascists.

    The deep state will try to steal any election. That is one reason I have been upset that Trump hasn’t spent much time trying to shore up our election integrity/

    Well, what can he do beside continually talking about it?

    There are several organizations that are working hard to get states to clean up their voting rolls and abide by their state laws. Does he ever mention them, does he financially support them? I could certainly be wrong, but I do not think so.

    The state and party should be doing that.

    Yea but…what if they aren’t? That is exactly what happened in 2020. Rona MacDaniel and the RNC did nothing while the Democrats were running around getting voting rules changed without legislative approvals and putting drop boxes in only democrat precincts. Trump relied on people to have his back when all they wanted was to shove a knife in it.

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    There are several organizations that are working hard to get states to clean up their voting rolls and abide by their state laws. Does he ever mention them, does he financially support them? I could certainly be wrong, but I do not think so.

    The state and party should be doing that.

    Yeah. And how has that worked out? While billionaires work to suborn the vote in every state and have binders of corrupt office holders, we can just cross our arms and say, the state and the party should do better. Well met. Sterling solution. Wish I’d thought of it.

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    The state and party should be doing that.

    Yea but…what if they aren’t? That is exactly what happened in 2020. Rona MacDaniel and the RNC did nothing while the Democrats were running around getting voting rules changed without legislative approvals and putting drop boxes in only democrat precincts. Trump relied on people to have his back when all they wanted was to shove a knife in it.

    Cue “Midnight Train to Georgia”.

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    I’m not so sure Eisenhower or Reagan would know what to do in 2024. And I have a fundamental (but perhaps not insuperable) objection to De Santis: he’s a politician.

    Have you bought into the line Conservative Treehouse is spinning?

    “Bought in” is too strong, but DeSantis is on the cusp on going along to get along and being president, or hiding his true intentions to drain the Swamp. Which do you think he’s intent upon?

    I know this. In the recent past we have not had any kind of leadership on the issues which gave rise to DeSantis. Usually when a Governor does this we see nothing from the national GOP and then Pundits like John Podhoretz or Jonah Goldberg tut tut about “wasting political capital.” I recall the GlOP schmoes lambasting the North Carolina gov over a state ban on tranny bathrooms.

    I do fear DeSantis either being co-opted or being a decepticon. If he is a decepticon, he is a damned good actor. I don’t think you can fake this though, not convincingly. Ask Mitt.

    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has already sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

    Not to mention that if Trump is on the top of the ticket, the Deep STate will just steal it again. Look, they are not ever going to allow a political outsider that leans populist/freedom to ever sit at that desk again. They fell asleep in 2016 because it was Trump–seriously, freaking TRUMP–but now, with 2020 as the example we should all be looking at, never again. Our elections are shams and if we don’t put up a Bushy loser, then they will just steal the election and call us fascists.

    Please.

    Why are you even here if it is that bad.

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    There are several organizations that are working hard to get states to clean up their voting rolls and abide by their state laws. Does he ever mention them, does he financially support them? I could certainly be wrong, but I do not think so.

    The state and party should be doing that.

    Yeah. And how has that worked out? While billionaires work to suborn the vote in every state and have binders of corrupt office holders, we can just cross our arms and say, the state and the party should do better. Well met. Sterling solution. Wish I’d thought of it.

    I said “should be.” I don’t know why Trump should spend his money when the fix belongs to the state. His money should be spent promoting ads for candidates.

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    There are several organizations that are working hard to get states to clean up their voting rolls and abide by their state laws. Does he ever mention them, does he financially support them? I could certainly be wrong, but I do not think so.

    The state and party should be doing that.

    Yeah. And how has that worked out? While billionaires work to suborn the vote in every state and have binders of corrupt office holders, we can just cross our arms and say, the state and the party should do better. Well met. Sterling solution. Wish I’d thought of it.

    I said “should be.” I don’t know why Trump should spend his money when the fix belongs to the state. His money should be spent promoting ads for candidates.

     His money? Well maybe, but those five texts I get every single day asking for my money begs to differ.

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    There are several organizations that are working hard to get states to clean up their voting rolls and abide by their state laws. Does he ever mention them, does he financially support them? I could certainly be wrong, but I do not think so.

    The state and party should be doing that.

    Yeah. And how has that worked out? While billionaires work to suborn the vote in every state and have binders of corrupt office holders, we can just cross our arms and say, the state and the party should do better. Well met. Sterling solution. Wish I’d thought of it.

    I said “should be.” I don’t know why Trump should spend his money when the fix belongs to the state. His money should be spent promoting ads for candidates.

    His money? Well maybe, but those five texts I get every single day asking for my money begs to differ.

    And how many of those come from professional grifters with no connection to Trump? There are false flag operations everywhere.

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    Well, I was fooled about Trump, so maybe DeSantis will be able to pull the plug that Trump was prevented from pulling. Here’s hoping. But I don’t think any half measures, or political faint-heartedness will ever change anything. We all hope for the best.

    Sundance at CTH is definitely untrusting of DeSantis. He believes he has alrea[dy sold out to big money/globalist contributors. Sundance is a 100% Trump supporter and he makes a super ally. But I am concerned about having only one choice. Trump will be 80 years old and has spent the last two years out of office looking backward at a stolen election whose illegitimate results he will never change. I don’t believe DJT has even spent any time creating organizations to make sure the next elections are legit. I love the man and am indebted for what he has done for our country. I am not sure he is the one to continue. Like Moses, Trump will have taken us to the edge of the promised land, but won’t be able to crossover himself.

    Not to mention that if Trump is on the top of the ticket, the Deep STate will just steal it again. Look, they are not ever going to allow a political outsider that leans populist/freedom to ever sit at that desk again. They fell asleep in 2016 because it was Trump–seriously, freaking TRUMP–but now, with 2020 as the example we should all be looking at, never again. Our elections are shams and if we don’t put up a Bushy loser, then they will just steal the election and call us fascists.

    The deep state will try to steal any election. That is one reason I have been upset that Trump hasn’t spent much time trying to shore up our election integrity/

    Well, what can he do beside continually talking about it?

    There are several organizations that are working hard to get states to clean up their voting rolls and abide by their state laws. Does he ever mention them, does he financially support them? I could certainly be wrong, but I do not think so.

    The state and party should be doing that.

    Yea but…what if they aren’t? That is exactly what happened in 2020. Rona MacDaniel and the RNC did nothing while the Democrats were running around getting voting rules changed without legislative approvals and putting drop boxes in only democrat precincts. Trump relied on people to have his back when all they wanted was to shove a knife in it.

    The Heritage Foundation specifically warned the RNC and the state legislatures. Zuckerberg came out of nowhere at the last minute.

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