A Member of the New Axis Takes a Big Hit

 

The Israeli Air Force conducted an airstrike against an Iranian Revolutionary Guard missile factory and storage facility in Syria. There are estimates that 1,000 surface-to-surface missiles were destroyed in the strike, which took place August 25.

(TPS) An Israeli airstrike on Iranian targets in Masyaf in Syria on Thursday night resulted in the destruction of a large number of surface-to-surface missiles that were being produced with Iranian guidance, the Syrian Observatory for Hunan Rights (SOHR) reported.

The SOHR quoted its sources in the country who said that explosions that rocked the attacked sites hours after the strike were due to the explosion of medium-range surface-to-surface missiles manufactured at Syria’s Scientific Research Centre under the supervision of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (IRGC), as well as Iranian-made missiles transported to the warehouse in recent months.

According to SOHR, the missiles were assembled over the course of more than a year and their numbers are more than 1,000. Other sources doubt this high number.

The IDF has remained silent on the report, as it usually does after reported operations in Syria.

The targeted areas host military headquarters and posts and weapons warehouses affiliated with Iranian-backed militias.

The Saudi Al-Haddath channel reported that the Israeli attack hit workshops for the production of precision-guided missiles.

As the Biden administration seeks or begs Iran for a new nuclear arms agreement, the Israeli government is more realistic concerning Iranian intentions in the Middle East. It would be nice if President Biden had the same concern for our southern border that the Israelis have for their own borders.

The Russian Navy and Air Force, despite their presence in Syria, have not been able to prevent strikes against IRG weapons depots or IRG ground forces.

Several sources have reported that Russia has recently removed its advanced S-300 air defense system from Syria and transferred it to the war in Ukraine, thus creating a better opportunity for Israel to attack Iranian and Hezbollah targets in Syria.

This latest strike was the 21st Israeli attack in Syrian territory in 2022, according to the SOHR’s count.

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  1. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation.  When Russia does it, it’s a war crime.  When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

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  2. TBA Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    There is a distinct difference between removing an existential threat and invading to conquer. Reducing these ideas to ‘violating territory’ is at a minimum, misleading. 

     

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  3. Doctor Robert Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    Are Syria and Israel not in a state of war?

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  4. Arahant Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    There is a distinct difference between removing an existential threat and invading to conquer. Reducing these ideas to ‘violating territory’ is at a minimum, misleading.

    Wow, Jerry. You got TBA to be serious. Congratulations. TBA is right, of course.

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  5. BDB Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    Suck it, Saracens.  Rah! Rah! Rah!

    (false equivalators gotta false equivalate)

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  6. Caryn Thatcher
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    There is a distinct difference between removing an existential threat and invading to conquer. Reducing these ideas to ‘violating territory’ is at a minimum, misleading.

     

    But oh so very, very typically Jerry.  I’ve said it before…

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  7. Mark Camp Member
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    Israel and Iran and its allies, including Syria, are unquestionably at war. The Islamist alliance  don’t deny that they are at war with Israel, with the announced political goal of destroying the country and as many Jews as possible.

    Making war implies violating the sovereignty of the enemy’s nation. To assert that it is immoral for Israel to violate the sovereignty of Syria is to imply that it is immoral for Israel to defend itself from annihilation and its people from extermination.

    So let us all celebrate the destruction of missiles intended for death and injury and destruction in Israel.

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  8. Percival Thatcher
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    Doug Watt:

    The Russian Navy and Air Force despite their presence in Syria have not been able to prevent strikes against IRG weapons depots, or IRG ground forces.

    Several sources have reported that Russia has recently removed its advanced S-300 air defense system from Syria and transferred it to the war in Ukraine, thus creating a better opportunity for Israel to attack Iranian and Hezbollah targets in Syria.

    This latest strike was the 21st Israeli attack in Syrian territory in 2022, according to the SOHR’s count.

    It’s the S-400 system that supposedly does everything but eat. The Russians have deployed those too. They might just be pulling out the S-300s because having the Israelis fly over and bomb them is bad for international sales.

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  9. Concretevol Thatcher
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  10. Concretevol Thatcher
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    When do you start your new show on Russia Today Jerry?

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  11. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    Have you not heard the cries of “Death to Israel” or seen the Hamas attacks on Israel?  Defense is never wrong when faced with Iranian belligerence and hatred of Israel.

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  12. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    Although I tend to agree with the others, I want to engage this a bit.  I see some clear distinctions.  Please point out where you think I am wrong:

    1. Israel destroyed weapons.  True, it’s an act of war.  Russia launched a full scale invasion with the intention of annexing Ukraine.  This too is an act of war, albeit much more severe.
    2. Israel destroyed weapons first, people only collaterally.  Russia launched a full scale invasion of Ukraine, seeking to kill people (military and civilian), raze cities, destroy infrastructure.  Oh, and destroy weapons.  These seem much different in degree, if not entirely in kind.
    3. Israel has been defending itself (cf. Iron Dome) for quite some time against Iran.  The Iron Dome protects against (checks notes) Iranian weapons intent on killing people in Israel.  Israel destroyed Iranian weapons.  These too seem different.

    Obviously, I’ve been a little snarky for effect, but I ask sincerely: how is Israel destroying Iranian weapons even close to the same thing as Russia’s full scale invasion of Ukraine–an act defended because Russia claimed to be concerned that Ukraine was too friendly with NATO (or some similar pretext).  

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  13. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    Go IDF!!  I guess it’s time for me to get out my Israeli Airforce t-shirt that I got in Israel.

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  14. Sisyphus Member
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    Has Biden launched his retaliatory strike against Israel yet? Or did his pudding cup arrive in time?

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  15. Percival Thatcher
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Go IDF!! I guess it’s time for me to get out my Israeli Airforce t-shirt that I got in Israel.

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  16. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    Percival (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Go IDF!! I guess it’s time for me to get out my Israeli Airforce t-shirt that I got in Israel.

    Yeah, and my CCAs are in the cockpit of that F-16!

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  17. Doug Watt Moderator
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    I’ll say one thing about the IDF. Unlike some of our own military types and State Department officials they do not feel compelled to threaten, run to the media, or brag about some silly sanction they’ve imposed on an adversary. They target, attack and get the job done.

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  18. Barry Jones Thatcher
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Go IDF!! I guess it’s time for me to get out my Israeli Airforce t-shirt that I got in Israel.

    Yeah, and my CCAs are in the cockpit of that F-16!

    When I was in the service we had an IDF Colonel as an advisort/observer to the Armor Brigade I (an Armor 1LT) served in. He had a poster on the wall in his office that said: “For the IDF every test is a final” which was and is very true. The IDF is quite justifiable in proactively destroying weapons which would be used(and only used) against civilian targets.

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  19. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Go IDF!! I guess it’s time for me to get out my Israeli Airforce t-shirt that I got in Israel.

    BUY ISRAELI WAR BONDS!!!

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  20. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Syria chose its friends poorly.

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  21. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Barry Jones (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Go IDF!! I guess it’s time for me to get out my Israeli Airforce t-shirt that I got in Israel.

    Yeah, and my CCAs are in the cockpit of that F-16!

    When I was in the service we had an IDF Colonel as an advisort/observer to the Armor Brigade I (an Armor 1LT) served in. He had a poster on the wall in his office that said: “For the IDF every test is a final” which was and is very true. The IDF is quite justifiable in proactively destroying weapons which would be used(and only used) against civilian targets.

    Also weapons that would be used against military targets. When someone has promised to kill you, and has repeated tried to do so, you are fully justified in using deadly force to prevent future attempts.

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  22. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Barry Jones (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Go IDF!! I guess it’s time for me to get out my Israeli Airforce t-shirt that I got in Israel.

    Yeah, and my CCAs are in the cockpit of that F-16!

    When I was in the service we had an IDF Colonel as an advisort/observer to the Armor Brigade I (an Armor 1LT) served in. He had a poster on the wall in his office that said: “For the IDF every test is a final” which was and is very true. The IDF is quite justifiable in proactively destroying weapons which would be used(and only used) against civilian targets.

    Also weapons that would be used against military targets. When someone has promised to kill you, and has repeated tried to do so, you are fully justified in using deadly force to prevent future attempts.

    Hmmm…  Does this mean we are justified in taking out Iran, whose call of “Death to America” sounds a lot like a threat to kill us?

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  23. kedavis Inactive
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Barry Jones (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Go IDF!! I guess it’s time for me to get out my Israeli Airforce t-shirt that I got in Israel.

    Yeah, and my CCAs are in the cockpit of that F-16!

    When I was in the service we had an IDF Colonel as an advisort/observer to the Armor Brigade I (an Armor 1LT) served in. He had a poster on the wall in his office that said: “For the IDF every test is a final” which was and is very true. The IDF is quite justifiable in proactively destroying weapons which would be used(and only used) against civilian targets.

    Also weapons that would be used against military targets. When someone has promised to kill you, and has repeated tried to do so, you are fully justified in using deadly force to prevent future attempts.

    Hmmm… Does this mean we are justified in taking out Iran, whose call of “Death to America” sounds a lot like a threat to kill us?

    If Iran actually undertook attacks on the US in the ways they/their proxies have attacked Israel, I would feel perfectly justified in turning Iran into an ashtray.  (Sand + extreme heat = glass.)

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  24. Percival Thatcher
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Barry Jones (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Go IDF!! I guess it’s time for me to get out my Israeli Airforce t-shirt that I got in Israel.

    Yeah, and my CCAs are in the cockpit of that F-16!

    When I was in the service we had an IDF Colonel as an advisort/observer to the Armor Brigade I (an Armor 1LT) served in. He had a poster on the wall in his office that said: “For the IDF every test is a final” which was and is very true. The IDF is quite justifiable in proactively destroying weapons which would be used(and only used) against civilian targets.

    Also weapons that would be used against military targets. When someone has promised to kill you, and has repeated tried to do so, you are fully justified in using deadly force to prevent future attempts.

    Hmmm… Does this mean we are justified in taking out Iran, whose call of “Death to America” sounds a lot like a threat to kill us?

    Qassem Soleimani really did have Americans killed. 

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  25. kedavis Inactive
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    Percival (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Barry Jones (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Go IDF!! I guess it’s time for me to get out my Israeli Airforce t-shirt that I got in Israel.

    Yeah, and my CCAs are in the cockpit of that F-16!

    When I was in the service we had an IDF Colonel as an advisort/observer to the Armor Brigade I (an Armor 1LT) served in. He had a poster on the wall in his office that said: “For the IDF every test is a final” which was and is very true. The IDF is quite justifiable in proactively destroying weapons which would be used(and only used) against civilian targets.

    Also weapons that would be used against military targets. When someone has promised to kill you, and has repeated tried to do so, you are fully justified in using deadly force to prevent future attempts.

    Hmmm… Does this mean we are justified in taking out Iran, whose call of “Death to America” sounds a lot like a threat to kill us?

    Qassem Soleimani really did have Americans killed.

    Isn’t that where the “Rest In Pieces” meme began?

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  26. Jim McConnell Member
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    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    Although I tend to agree with the others, I want to engage this a bit. I see some clear distinctions. Please point out where you think I am wrong:

    1. Israel destroyed weapons. True, it’s an act of war. Russia launched a full scale invasion with the intention of annexing Ukraine. This too is an act of war, albeit much more severe.
    2. Israel destroyed weapons first, people only collaterally. Russia launched a full scale invasion of Ukraine, seeking to kill people (military and civilian), raze cities, destroy infrastructure. Oh, and destroy weapons. These seem much different in degree, if not entirely in kind.
    3. Israel has been defending itself (cf. Iron Dome) for quite some time against Iran. The Iron Dome protects against (checks notes) Iranian weapons intent on killing people in Israel. Israel destroyed Iranian weapons. These too seem different.

    Obviously, I’ve been a little snarky for effect, but I ask sincerely: how is Israel destroying Iranian weapons even close to the same thing as Russia’s full scale invasion of Ukraine–an act defended because Russia claimed to be concerned that Ukraine was too friendly with NATO (or some similar pretext).

    Don’t go confusing Jerry with logic.

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  27. Jim McConnell Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    I’ll say one thing about the IDF. Unlike some of our own military types and State Department officials they do not feel compelled to threaten, run to the media, or brag about some silly sanction they’ve imposed on an adversary. They target, attack and get the job done.

    I often think of the Israelis as the grown-ups of the world.

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  28. Mark Camp Member
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    Although I tend to agree with the others, I want to engage this a bit. I see some clear distinctions. Please point out where you think I am wrong:

    1. Israel destroyed weapons. True, it’s an act of war. Russia launched a full scale invasion with the intention of annexing Ukraine. This too is an act of war, albeit much more severe.
    2. Israel destroyed weapons first, people only collaterally. Russia launched a full scale invasion of Ukraine, seeking to kill people (military and civilian), raze cities, destroy infrastructure. Oh, and destroy weapons. These seem much different in degree, if not entirely in kind.
    3. Israel has been defending itself (cf. Iron Dome) for quite some time against Iran. The Iron Dome protects against (checks notes) Iranian weapons intent on killing people in Israel. Israel destroyed Iranian weapons. These too seem different.

    Obviously, I’ve been a little snarky for effect, but I ask sincerely: how is Israel destroying Iranian weapons even close to the same thing as Russia’s full scale invasion of Ukraine–an act defended because Russia claimed to be concerned that Ukraine was too friendly with NATO (or some similar pretext).

    Don’t go confusing Jerry with logic.

    Logic may offend you, but it does not confuse Jerry. If you want to debate him, use facts and logic, expressed according to the civil norms of Ricochet.  If you can’t or won’t, please go somewhere else.

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  29. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    I’ll say one thing about the IDF. Unlike some of our own military types and State Department officials they do not feel compelled to threaten, run to the media, or brag about some silly sanction they’ve imposed on an adversary. They target, attack and get the job done.

    I often think of the Israelis as the grown-ups of the world.

    Imminent existential danger has a tendency to focus attention and discourage tolerance of the frivolous and parasitic.

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  30. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, Israel commits an act of war, violating the territory of a sovereign nation. When Russia does it, it’s a war crime. When Israel does it, it’s apparently something to celebrate.

    A state of war already exists, and has existed for some time.

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