27 Boxes

 

Have you heard that 27 boxes of “documents” were accidentally shipped to Mar-a-Lago that were supposed to remain at the National Archives? This is the first time I’ve heard about this — how about you, average Joe and Jane American citizen? Whoopsie-daisy! A boo-boo? A big boo-boo?  Trump shipped back 15 of the boxes but what about those last 12, and what was in the boxes he shipped back that is now concerning? This is confusing. We are hearing about classified this and declassified that, so what’s going on?

If there’s one thing I like, it’s old school. I like real books, real rock-and-roll, popsicles in summer, funny comedies that made me laugh before going to bed, and chalkboards. Remember chalkboards? I used to have to stay behind in grade school to clean the chalkboards with a big wet sponge. “Don’t forget to clean the chalk tray, and make sure there’s fresh chalk for tomorrow’s lesson.”

Well, Glenn Beck pulls out the same chalkboard and offers a lesson. He simplifies a curious but relevant timeline between the — whoopsie-daisy! — accidental shipment of documents from the National Archives, the events that took place after, and the raid on his home, Mar-a-Lago, while Trump was out of town. His former wife had sadly passed away and his family was in New York.

I don’t know about you, but I am deeply disturbed by this event. This is a first in American history, where a past president’s personal home was raided by the FBI. Trump said they grabbed anything and everything at random. News reports said they went through Melania’s coat pockets in her closet. That has to be fake news! They took his passports — and later returned them! Then they let out this heavily redacted affidavit that hardly sufficed in answering anything.

I am very upset and concerned about the treatment of our past president, the sketchy circumstances surrounding this raid on his personal home at night, how it’s being portrayed in the mainstream media, the censoring of certain people around this event (it’s in the Glenn Beck video) and what this spells for the future of freedom and liberty of all American citizens — including our elections. Please watch this short presentation and offer your thoughts.

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  1. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    “Nothing the government does, surprises me.” – Security chief Michael Garibaldi, “Babylon 5.”

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    I watched the video, and even with his chalk board I can’t keep track of all the machinations! I wonder if the truth will ever come out . . . 

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  3. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    I think I saw that the warrant & affidavit mentioned “documents marked classified”, but the Leftist media just says “classified documents”.  The distinction is huge, but narrative must be built.

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  4. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    The meme of Trump saying, “They’re not after me, they’re after you – I’m just in the way,” reminds me of the pity and fear idea of Greek tragedy; if the gods can mess with the kings this way, what hope do the little people have? 

    What they’re doing to Trump is what they do to others as a matter of course. 

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  5. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    So over the weekend, a panel of Taking Heads asked each other if they themselves had those boxes in a shed at their home, would they be eligible for indictment by possessing those numerous documents?

    They quickly, cheerfully decided that “Yes” they would be eligible. This unanimous verdict helped them prove to each other that Trump was extremely guilty for his  illegally possessing classified material.

    No mention of how most former US former presidents possess millions of documents that detail the matters, policies and communications that their administrations dealt with. It is stated that Obama holds 30 million documents brought to Chicago from the WH. A billion dollar library is planned to hold those documents.

    Difference I can ascertain between Obama and Trump? One is a Democrat and the other a conservative.

    And one of these two men set in motion the illegal spying by government agencies on a candidate running for the office of president, in 2016.

     

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  6. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    The WSJ has had a headline up all day saying, “DOJ Finds Some Potentially Privileged Papers in Trump Search.”

    It’s that word, “potentially,” that has me worried.  Just about every paper in my office is potentially privileged.  Does that mean there is going to be another raid?  

     

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  7. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    So the agent that requested the Trump investigation that led to this affidavit was escorted out?  His name is Tim Thibault.  Is any other outlet reporting this???

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/breaking-fbi-agent-tim-thibault-opened-trump-investigation-escorted-headquarters-fbi-agent-charge-investigating-voter-fraud-failed/

     

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  8. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    So over the weekend, a panel of Taking Heads asked each other if they themselves had those boxes in a shed at their home, would they be eligible for indictment by possessing those numerous documents?

    They quickly, cheerfully decided that “Yes” they would be eligible. This unanimous verdict helped them prove to each other that Trump was extremely guilty for his illegally possessing classified material.

    No mention of how most former US former presidents possess millions of documents that detail the matters, policies and communications that their administrations dealt with. It is stated that Obama holds 30 million documents brought to Chicago from the WH. A billion dollar library is planned to hold those documents.

    Difference I can ascertain between Obama and Trump? One is a Democrat and the other a conservative.

    And one of these two men set in motion the illegal spying by government agencies on a candidate running for the office of president, in 2016.

     

    The story of the classified docs that were mis-handled by Hilary and her assistant, the one who was sending these docs to the pervert Weiner’s laptop, and Hilary was using an unsecured server that was in a closet in her house – and that culminated in nothing but a slap by Comey???  Yes – the hypocrisy is so insulting.

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  9. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    So the agent that requested the Trump investigation that led to this affidavit was escorted out? His name is Tim Thibault. Is any other outlet reporting this???

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/breaking-fbi-agent-tim-thibault-opened-trump-investigation-escorted-headquarters-fbi-agent-charge-investigating-voter-fraud-failed/

     

    Interesting. I hadn’t been aware that this specific person has been on a lot of people’s radar for a long time.  I wonder, though, how one lone FBI agent can be responsible for so much FBI misbehavior.   Well, I can imagine ways, but I would like to know. The question needs to be part of the investigation.  I wouldn’t want to see Thibault thrown under the bus to protect everyone else at the FBI who took part in abuses. 

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  10. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):
    The story of the classified docs that were mis-handled by Hilary and her assistant, the one who was sending these docs to the pervert Weiner’s laptop, and Hilary was using an unsecured server that was in a closet in her house – and that culminated in nothing but a slap by Comey???  Yes – the hypocrisy is so insulting.

    Democrats:  Nobody is above the law.

    Also Democrats:  Your whataboutism is not going to work here.  

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  11. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):
    The story of the classified docs that were mis-handled by Hilary and her assistant, the one who was sending these docs to the pervert Weiner’s laptop, and Hilary was using an unsecured server that was in a closet in her house – and that culminated in nothing but a slap by Comey??? Yes – the hypocrisy is so insulting.

    Democrats: Nobody is above the law.

    Also Democrats: Your whataboutism is not going to work here.

    Democrats: Why do people outside our party go on about Hillary and Uranium One? That  event happened circa 2009-2010, and as such is ancient history.

    Also Democrats: We have a right to see Trump’s tax records going back to 1990.

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  12. EDISONPARKS Member
    EDISONPARKS
    @user_54742

    As far as the “crime” of a former President retaining classified/”top secret” or whatever terminology to describe said document as “criminal” if one possesses the document in an unauthorized manner ….

    First, before this Trump classified document debacle, was anyone aware a former President could be charged criminally for retaining classified documents.

    Secondly, does anyone know that other Presidents did not retain documents in a manner similar to Trump?  Yet because the DOJ/FBI was not involved in a snipe hunt in search of a crime to bury the former Presidents the issue never percolated to a criminal issue.

    Lastly, does anyone know exactly what these classified/”top secret” documents pertain to?…. during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes.  Is it possible if the contents of the documents in question were to be revealed the Country would have a collective “why is that considered classified” head scratch ….. Of course because the docs are classified the DOJ/FBI will forever be able to keep this information …… classified …. (ie: unavailable for public consumption)

    I guess we will just have to trust the judgement and prosecutorial discretion of the Biden DOJ/FBI …. Should work out fine.

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  13. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    As far as the “crime” of a former President retaining classified/”top secret” or whatever terminology to describe said document as “criminal” if one possesses the document in an unauthorized manner ….

    First, before this Trump classified document debacle, was anyone aware a former President could be charged criminally for retaining classified documents.

    Secondly, does anyone know that other Presidents did not retain documents in a manner similar to Trump? Yet because the DOJ/FBI was not involved in a snipe hunt in search of a crime to bury the former Presidents the issue never percolated to a criminal issue.

    Lastly, does anyone know exactly what these classified/”top secret” documents pertain to?…. during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes. Is it possible if the contents of the documents in question were to be revealed the Country would have a collective “why is that considered classified” head scratch ….. Of course because the docs are classified the DOJ/FBI will forever be able to keep this information …… classified …. (ie: unavailable for public consumption)

    I guess we will just have to trust the judgement and prosecutorial discretion of the Biden DOJ/FBI …. Should work out fine.

    No President can be charged with taking classified. He can have copies of whatever he wants, he can declassify them before he leaves office, he can say he declassified them and they can’t prove otherwise, he has 5-12 years to decide what to use and what can be released to the public and when. He owns them. 

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  14. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    As far as the “crime” of a former President retaining classified/”top secret” or whatever terminology to describe said document as “criminal” if one possesses the document in an unauthorized manner ….

    First, before this Trump classified document debacle, was anyone aware a former President could be charged criminally for retaining classified documents.

    Secondly, does anyone know that other Presidents did not retain documents in a manner similar to Trump? Yet because the DOJ/FBI was not involved in a snipe hunt in search of a crime to bury the former Presidents the issue never percolated to a criminal issue.

    Lastly, does anyone know exactly what these classified/”top secret” documents pertain to?…. during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes. Is it possible if the contents of the documents in question were to be revealed the Country would have a collective “why is that considered classified” head scratch ….. Of course because the docs are classified the DOJ/FBI will forever be able to keep this information …… classified …. (ie: unavailable for public consumption)

    I guess we will just have to trust the judgement and prosecutorial discretion of the Biden DOJ/FBI …. Should work out fine.

    All those points are extremely important and valid points to make.

    But the Biden/Democrat side of things pretends that none of these specific situations exist.

    I also have no idea of how the following  problem could be tackled?  The problem where you reveal: “during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes.” A whistleblower  inside the agency could come forward.

    Or Thibault could offer up some juicy insider info in exchange for a lesser charge – if he were to face indictment.

    But so far, I don’t think being a scapegoat is a chargeable offense.

     

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  15. kedavis Inactive
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    As far as the “crime” of a former President retaining classified/”top secret” or whatever terminology to describe said document as “criminal” if one possesses the document in an unauthorized manner ….

    First, before this Trump classified document debacle, was anyone aware a former President could be charged criminally for retaining classified documents.

    Secondly, does anyone know that other Presidents did not retain documents in a manner similar to Trump? Yet because the DOJ/FBI was not involved in a snipe hunt in search of a crime to bury the former Presidents the issue never percolated to a criminal issue.

    Lastly, does anyone know exactly what these classified/”top secret” documents pertain to?…. during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes. Is it possible if the contents of the documents in question were to be revealed the Country would have a collective “why is that considered classified” head scratch ….. Of course because the docs are classified the DOJ/FBI will forever be able to keep this information …… classified …. (ie: unavailable for public consumption)

    I guess we will just have to trust the judgement and prosecutorial discretion of the Biden DOJ/FBI …. Should work out fine.

    All those points are extremely important and valid points to make.

    But the Biden/Democrat side of things pretends that none of these specific situations exist.

    I also have no idea of how the following problem could be tackled? The problem where you reveal: “during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes.” A whistleblower inside the agency could come forward.

    Or Thibault could offer up some juicy insider info in exchange for a lesser charge – if he were to face indictment.

    But so far, I don’t think being a scapegoat is a chargeable offense.

     

    Thibault’s comfortable retirement – and perhaps his life – depend on not coming forward.

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  16. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    FrontSeatCat, I check up on Jonathan Turley quite often, and here is his take on the redactions:

    https://jonathanturley.org/2022/08/29/rorschach-redactions-what-did-not-happen-with-the-release-of-the-mar-a-lago-affidavit/#more-192992

     

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  17. EDISONPARKS Member
    EDISONPARKS
    @user_54742

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    As far as the “crime” of a former President retaining classified/”top secret” or whatever terminology to describe said document as “criminal” if one possesses the document in an unauthorized manner ….

    First, before this Trump classified document debacle, was anyone aware a former President could be charged criminally for retaining classified documents.

    Secondly, does anyone know that other Presidents did not retain documents in a manner similar to Trump? Yet because the DOJ/FBI was not involved in a snipe hunt in search of a crime to bury the former Presidents the issue never percolated to a criminal issue.

    Lastly, does anyone know exactly what these classified/”top secret” documents pertain to?…. during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes. Is it possible if the contents of the documents in question were to be revealed the Country would have a collective “why is that considered classified” head scratch ….. Of course because the docs are classified the DOJ/FBI will forever be able to keep this information …… classified …. (ie: unavailable for public consumption)

    I guess we will just have to trust the judgement and prosecutorial discretion of the Biden DOJ/FBI …. Should work out fine.

    All those points are extremely important and valid points to make.

    But the Biden/Democrat side of things pretends that none of these specific situations exist.

    I also have no idea of how the following problem could be tackled? The problem where you reveal: “during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes.” A whistleblower inside the agency could come forward.

    Or Thibault could offer up some juicy insider info in exchange for a lesser charge – if he were to face indictment.

    But so far, I don’t think being a scapegoat is a chargeable offense.

    Oddly enough I’m not a particularly Trumpy guy in that I don’t want Trump to run again in 2024 and would not mind if Trump would quietly drift off into the sunset.

    But it does seem very weird that even after blatant DOJ/FBI/IC/SpecialCounsel/(D)/MSM Trump/Russia collusion malfeasance coupled with the Hunter Biden laptop 2020 election interference,  suddenly the DOJ/FBI find some National Archive instigated Presidential Documents related problems that it turns out is somehow “criminal”.

    My point is not that these documents in Trump’s possession are not a problem, but rather who in the Country was even aware that a former President possessing certain documents could be considered criminal ….or rather now it appears our entirely trustworthy DOJ/FBI trying to get certain Presidential documents back to the National Archives could result in a obstruction of justice criminal charge to a former President.

    Whats even stranger is how most in the MSM and even some conservatives and (R)’s proceed watching this unfold simply accept the DOJ/FBI narrative that  of course Trump having these documents is criminal, or resisting/negotiating? returning certain documents is “criminal” ….. and of course Trump will be indicted and charged criminally.

    I find it all unprecedented and strange and with the track record of the DOJ/FBI I find it all to be a politically motivated crock of poop …. And again I don’t want Trump to run for President in 2024

    DeSantis 2024!

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  18. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    As far as the “crime” of a former President retaining classified/”top secret” or whatever terminology to describe said document as “criminal” if one possesses the document in an unauthorized manner ….

    S

    Lastly, does anyone know exactly what these classified/”top secret” documents pertain to?…. during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes. Is it possible if the contents of the documents in question were to be revealed the Country would have a collective “why is that considered classified” head scratch ….. Of course because the docs are classified the DOJ/FBI will forever be able to keep this information …… classified …. (ie: unavailable for public consumption)

    I guess we will just have to trust the judgement and prosecutorial discretion of the Biden DOJ/FBI …. Should work out fine.

    A

    Oddly enough I’m not a particularly Trumpy guy in that I don’t want Trump to run again in 2024 and would not mind if Trump would quietly drift off into the sunset.

    But it does seem very weird that even after blatant DOJ/FBI/IC/SpecialCounsel/(D)/MSM Trump/Russia collusion malfeasance coupled with the Hunter Biden laptop 2020 election interference, suddenly the DOJ/FBI find some National Archive instigated Presidential Documents related problems that it turns out is somehow “criminal”.

    My point is not that these documents in Trump’s possession are not a problem, but rather who in the Country was even aware that a former President possessing certain documents could be considered criminal ….or rather now it appears our entirely trustworthy DOJ/FBI trying to get certain Presidential documents back to the National Archives could result in a obstruction of justice criminal charge to a former President.

    Whats even stranger is how most in the MSM and even some conservatives and (R)’s proceed watching this unfold simply accept the DOJ/FBI narrative that of course Trump having these documents is criminal, or resisting/negotiating? returning certain documents is “criminal” ….. and of course Trump will be indicted and charged criminally.

    I find it all unprecedented and strange and with the track record of the DOJ/FBI I find it all to be a politically motivated crock of poop …. And again I don’t want Trump to run for President in 2024

    DeSantis 2024!

    Dear Edison:  Thank you for inventing the light bulb, because many are finally getting a clue – the light is coming on….Even though you’re not a Trumpy guy, you may be discerning that he was on the right track on so many things, and the relentless attacks ever since he walked down that escalator to announce he’s running, to this day – they have not let up.  That should tell you these 4 years of attacks and running…… means he’s onto something, all the while Making America Great Again..

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  19. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    SNIP

    Lastly, does anyone know exactly what these classified/”top secret” documents pertain to?…. during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes. Is it possible if the contents of the documents in question were to be revealed the Country would have a collective “why is that considered classified” head scratch ….. Of course because the docs are classified the DOJ/FBI will forever be able to keep this information …… classified …. (ie: unavailable for public consumption)

    I guess we will just have to trust the judgement and prosecutorial discretion of the Biden DOJ/FBI …. Should work out fine.

    All those points are extremely important and valid points to make.

    But the Biden/Democrat side of things pretends that none of these specific situations exist.

    I also have no idea of how the following problem could be tackled? The problem where you reveal: “during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes.” A whistleblower inside the agency could come forward.

    Or Thibault could offer up some juicy insider info in exchange for a lesser charge – if he were to face indictment.

    But so far, I don’t think being a scapegoat is a chargeable offense.

    Oddly enough I’m not a particularly Trumpy guy in that I don’t want Trump to run again in 2024 and would not mind if Trump would quietly drift off into the sunset.

    But it does seem very weird that even after blatant DOJ/FBI/IC/SpecialCounsel/(D)/MSM Trump/Russia collusion malfeasance coupled with the Hunter Biden laptop 2020 election interference, suddenly the DOJ/FBI find some National Archive instigated Presidential Documents related problems that it turns out is somehow “criminal”.

    My point is not that these documents in Trump’s possession are not a problem, but rather who in the Country was even aware that a former President possessing certain documents could be considered criminal ….or rather now it appears our entirely trustworthy DOJ/FBI trying to get certain Pres documents back to the National Archives could result in a obstruction of justice criminal charge to a former President.

    Whats even stranger is how most in the MSM and even some conservatives and (R)’s proceed watching this unfold simply accept the DOJ/FBI narrative that of course Trump having these documents is criminal, or resisting/negotiating? returning certain documents is “criminal” ….. and of course Trump will be indicted and charged criminally.

    I find it all unprecedented …and with the track record of the DOJ/FBI … it all to be a politically motivated crock of poop …. And again I don’t want Trump to run for President in 2024

    DeSantis 2024!

    I am in the exact same  boat you are in.

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  20. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    SNIP

    Lastly, does anyone know exactly what these classified/”top secret” documents pertain to?…. during the Trump/Russia nonsense it was discovered the DOJ/FBI/Intel community made a habit of classifying documents in an effort to make information inaccessible for CYA purposes. Is it possible if the contents of the documents in question were to be revealed the Country would have a collective “why is that considered classified” head scratch ….. Of course because the docs are classified the DOJ/FBI will forever be able to keep this information …… classified …. (ie: unavailable for public consumption)

    I guess we will just have to trust the judgement and prosecutorial discretion of the Biden DOJ/FBI …. Should work out fine.

    All those points are extremely important and valid points to make.

    [snip]

    But so far, I don’t think being a scapegoat is a chargeable offense.

    Oddly enough I’m not a particularly Trumpy guy in that I don’t want Trump to run again in 2024 and would not mind if Trump would quietly drift off into the sunset.

    But it does seem very weird that even after blatant DOJ/FBI/IC/SpecialCounsel/(D)/MSM Trump/Russia collusion malfeasance coupled with the Hunter Biden laptop 2020 election interference, suddenly the DOJ/FBI find some National Archive instigated Presidential Documents related problems that it turns out is somehow “criminal”.

    My point is not that these documents in Trump’s possession are not a problem, but rather who in the Country was even aware that a former President possessing certain documents could be considered criminal ….or rather now it appears our entirely trustworthy DOJ/FBI trying to get certain Pres documents back to the National Archives could result in a obstruction of justice criminal charge to a former President.

    Whats even stranger is how most in the MSM and even some conservatives and (R)’s proceed watching this unfold simply accept the DOJ/FBI narrative that of course Trump having these documents is criminal, or resisting/negotiating? returning certain documents is “criminal” ….. and of course Trump will be indicted and charged criminally.

    I find it all unprecedented …and with the track record of the DOJ/FBI … it all to be a politically motivated crock of poop …. And again I don’t want Trump to run for President in 2024

    DeSantis 2024!

    I am in the exact same boat you are in.

    People think things will be ok if someone other than Trump is president. I say you are naive.

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  21. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    SNIP

     

    All those points are extremely important and valid points to make.

    [snip]

    But so far, I don’t think being a scapegoat is a chargeable offense.

    Oddly enough I’m not a particularly Trumpy guy in that I don’t want Trump to run again in 2024 and would not mind if Trump would quietly drift off into the sunset.

    But it does seem very weird that even after blatant DOJ/FBI/IC/SpecialCounsel/(D)/MSM Trump/Russia collusion malfeasance coupled with the Hunter Biden laptop 2020 election interference, suddenly the DOJ/FBI find some National Archive instigated Presidential Documents related problems that it turns out is somehow “criminal”.

    My point is not that these documents in Trump’s possession are not a problem, but rather who in the Country was even aware that a former President possessing certain documents could be considered criminal ….or rather now it appears our entirely trustworthy DOJ/FBI trying to get certain Pres documents back to the National Archives could result in a obstruction of justice criminal charge to a former President.

    Whats even stranger is how most in the MSM and even some conservatives and (R)’s proceed watching this unfold simply accept the DOJ/FBI narrative that of course Trump having these documents is criminal, or resisting/negotiating? returning certain documents is “criminal” ….. and of course Trump will be indicted and charged criminally.

    I find it all unprecedented …and with the track record of the DOJ/FBI … it all to be a politically motivated crock of poop …. And again I don’t want Trump to run for President in 2024

    DeSantis 2024!

    I am in the exact same boat you are in.

    People think things will be ok if someone other than Trump is president. I say you are naive.

    My reason for putting aside Donald Trump is his age. Additionally,  I have been dismayed at what was an absolutely lousy Presidential performance starting on March 13th 2020 when he allowed himself to be a tool for Fauci/Pfizer/Moderna et al and so he declared a virus with a 99.24% chance of surviving as a major pandemic.

    Okay anyone can screw up once. But he still defends the vaxxes and refuses to acknowledge the damage they have done, again for a virus that has a 99.24% chance of surviving as long as the individual doesn’t do in their immune system by getting vaxxed.

    The fact that during the 2020 Summer of Rampage he cited states’ rights and refused to defend people in inner city neighborhoods across America as AntiFa and BLM slammed shop keepers and others around with baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire is also part of why I would go with DeSantis.

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  22. kedavis Inactive
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    @kedavis

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    The fact that during the 2020 Summer of Rampage he cited states’ rights and refused to defend people in inner city neighborhoods across America as AntiFa and BLM slammed shop keepers and others around with baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire is also part of why I would go with DeSantis.

    Does something about DeSantis and what he’s been doing in Florida, suggest to you that he’s in favor of the federal government telling the OTHER states what to do?

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  23. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

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    Oddly enough I’m not a particularly Trumpy guy in that I don’t want Trump to run again in 2024 and would not mind if Trump would quietly drift off into the sunset.

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    I am in the exact same boat you are in.

    People think things will be ok if someone other than Trump is president. I say you are naive.

    My reason for putting aside Donald Trump is his age. Additionally, I have been dismayed at what was an absolutely lousy Presidential performance starting on March 13th 2020 when he allowed himself to be a tool for Fauci/Pfizer/Moderna et al and so he declared a virus with a 99.24% chance of surviving as a major pandemic.

    Okay anyone can screw up once. But he still defends the vaxxes and refuses to l acknowledge the damage they have done, again for a virus that has a 99.24% chance of surviving as long as the individual doesn’t do in their immune system by getting vaxxed.

    The fact that during the 2020 Summer of Rampage he cited states’ rights and refused to defend people in inner city neighborhoods across America as AntiFa and BLM slammed shop keepers and others around with baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire is also part of why I would go with DeSantis.

    Nobody knew much about the virus at the start, all he had to go on was what his advisors told him• hindsight is amazing, isn’t it. Garci was perhaps the highest paid person in his branch as was paid so much because he was there to be the “expert.” We know a lot more now about that agency and all its clowns. Trump started figuring Fauci out as things evolved.  Trump did many things right. He let states run things. That is how it should work. 50 labs…not one national one, helps good ideas sort themselves out. Other western countries with younger leaders with younger leaders did worse.

    As to the shots, people wanted a vaccine and he got them one quickly. The jury will debate it for ages to come. We gripe the FDA takes too long to approve new stuff. He busted up the log jam. He did the best anyone could do under the circumstances. Covid was a killer for so many. I weighed my risks and got the two shots but refused the boosters. At least people who wanted them, got them. I don’t blame him for that I blame governors and companies who demanded the shots and the CDC,

    He was a proven fighter. DeSantis is the young, shiny object. Trump has nothing to lose. DeSantis has everything to lose. We need the disrupter to clear the path for him.

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