When That Poll-taker Calls, Answer!

 

In the past week, I have taken at least three political polls; two online, and one over the phone.  Seeing as the upcoming midterm elections are extremely important to us, shouldn’t our opinions get registered?  But it seems like a large number of my Ricochet family members have a policy of not answering polls.  I would like to recommend that you change your policy.  How else are we going to get on the scoreboard, if our fellows don’t know that there are a large number of conservatives out there, who register their opinion?

In my retirement, I decided to sign up with a couple of websites that specialize in market research (I’ve always been a sucker for market research); they pay for your time, albeit a low amount, but it’s more than nothing.  I just last week participated in an online focus group, for which I stand to be paid $175.  Anyway, I ended up on YouGov’s panel, and they now send me regular surveys to fill out.  I get to state my political preferences directly, and I’m happy to be that kind of statistic.  I think that refusing to answer poll-takers makes it look like we aren’t there, and we need to make our opinions known.  I had a delightful half-hour conversation with a young Hispanic lady last week, and I got to register my preferences for our local candidates.  I even helped her with some name pronunciations; I think I made her day by being willing to talk to her, instead of just not answering.

Another benefit of taking the online surveys is I get to evaluate the political ads of the Leftist candidates.  I learned that our state congresspersons from the Democrat side are lying with every statement they make about the Republican candidates.  I never would have seen those ads, if I hadn’t been doing those surveys.  I am pleased to get my preferences out there, perhaps to encourage others to vote, who might have been discouraged by the poll results.  We all know that a lot of political polls skew Democrat, but can’t we change that by not hanging up on the poll-takers?  Give it some thought, and register your opinions when the poll-takers call.  If nothing else, you can make them mad when you support Donald Trump!

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    No, I understand the point. It is just that I understand how computers use data. Our phone numbers tie us together, our email addresses do the same. These are unique identifiers that change little and can be used to track us. I can take the phone numbers that are called and buy a few databases on social media that require you to enter your phone numbers to sign on and do some fairly standard database operations and have that information you think is lost. Not only will I now have the data of where you live based off your phone number I will also have a much better profile of each person depending on the data I can purchase. As I keep adding to my database I will get a more and more complete understanding of the people in my database.

    But does every little podunk polling operation – especially those maybe run independently by political campaigns – bother to get that information, assuming they can afford it? Why do I keep getting calls to my 602 area code cell phone about politics in Arizona, and from we-finance-anyone car dealers etc, when I left Arizona two years ago?

    No they do not. Why would they? They are the creator / originator of data they package and sell to others that will use. The polling is just the excuse to collect the data they are selling. Or maybe the list is fed to them from who is ordering it. It is those that get that data and have the power that act on it that is the issue.

    But when they only ask what I think of President Trump’s performance etc, they never find out that I no longer live where they think I live.

    Cleaning the database of bad/obsolete data is much more expensive than collecting it. Collection is automated. Cleaning it often requires at least some level of human judgement be made. It often ends up cheaper to leave the obsolete data there. The odd wasted call costs less than cleaning the data.

    As has been previously mentioned, so many people these days have phone numbers totally unrelated to their actual locations, seems to me the amount of Garbage In must be increasing.  Which means they’re also getting more Garbage Out.

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  2. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    What about “Chris”?

    Hopefully, it is something like Christopher, Cristobal, or Christoph on the one side or Christine or Christa on the other. But that’s like Pat. If you just name the kid Pat, I have a bone to pick. But if the legal name is Patrick or Patricia, I’m fine with it. The other thing is that Christopher and Christina both have many diminutives that a child can choose from as they grow up. Kit? Why not? Tina? Sure. But don’t name your girl Christopher or Steve (I’m looking at you, Cousin Mim) or your boy Christina. And if you just name the kid “Chris” as the legal name, figuring they can choose their sex later, you shouldn’t be a parent.

    There have been names that can go either way, such as Christian. We tend to think of the name as masculine, but in Scotland a few centuries ago, it was more likely to be a feminine name. Likewise with names such as Vivian or Evelyn. There are also plenty of diminutives that can go either way. Various forms of Charley (Charlie/Charli) can stand in for Charles or Charlotte. Jamie can go either way.

    But my main point is, don’t do that to your kids. Would you name a kid Elmer or Homer in this day and age? And don’t give them a diminutive as a legal name. Don’t name the kid Bob or Bobby. Name the child Robert or Roberta and let them decide later if they want to go by a diminutive. And stay away from the trendy names like Madison. Several of my relatives and ancestors do have the “Madison” as a middle name. One, General James Madison Pearson, III went by “Matt” based on his middle name. Now, it’s a trending name for little girls. (Or was two decades ago.) If you’re going to do that, make it a middle name and give the child a more common first name. They can hide the Elizabeth or Edward later if they feel the need and be E. Madison Smith.

    Studies have shown that children with unusual and atypical names are more likely to wind up in prison. Don’t do that to your child.

    If you want to indulge in unusual naming practices, get a dog or a cat. They won’t wind up teased or in prison.

    /rant (again)

    You like Sue? 

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  3. Arahant Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    You like Sue? 

    Every Sue I’ve known has been a snake.

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  4. Charlotte Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    but in the US it’s about #400, with an estimated total population (of people named Pedro) in the US of only about 150,000.

    And how many kedavises are there?

    Without going into too many details, while living in a small town in Arizona for a few years, for several months I lived NEXT DOOR to another person with my same name. Granted, that was her married name, but still… How often do you think it happens, in the US, that a Pedro lives next door to a Pedro?

    Okay, perhaps in Guadalupe, Arizona. (Although with a name popularity of 400, maybe not even there…) But that’s the exception that proves the rule.

    One job I worked at, there were four offices in the hallway where my office was located. Three of them were occupied by someone named “Jeff”. And there was a 4th Jeff in a cube around the corner.

    This was not a large department either. Maybe 20-30 people.

     

    Next question: How many “Pedros” have you ever worked with?

    Why on earth do you give a crap what Peter Robinson named his son?

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    but in the US it’s about #400, with an estimated total population (of people named Pedro) in the US of only about 150,000.

    And how many kedavises are there?

    Without going into too many details, while living in a small town in Arizona for a few years, for several months I lived NEXT DOOR to another person with my same name. Granted, that was her married name, but still… How often do you think it happens, in the US, that a Pedro lives next door to a Pedro?

    Okay, perhaps in Guadalupe, Arizona. (Although with a name popularity of 400, maybe not even there…) But that’s the exception that proves the rule.

    One job I worked at, there were four offices in the hallway where my office was located. Three of them were occupied by someone named “Jeff”. And there was a 4th Jeff in a cube around the corner.

    This was not a large department either. Maybe 20-30 people.

     

    Next question: How many “Pedros” have you ever worked with?

    Why on earth do you give a crap what Peter Robinson named his son?

    Part of the discussion here involves people giving their children names that might cause them difficulties in life.

    If Mrs Robinson is from Cuba, why not name him Fidel?  I think I know why.  But actually, similar reasons apply to not using the name Pedro, at least in the US.

    Are their daughters, if they have any, named Bertha or Hortense?  Doubtful.  But why not?  Both were perfectly acceptable names… 100 years ago, or something.

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  6. Charlotte Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Part of the discussion here involves people giving their children names that might cause them difficulties in life.

    Maybe, but you, weirdly, have ridden this hobbyhorse multiple times in other threads over the past few years when it was not part of the broader discussion.

    If Mrs Robinson is from Cuba, why not name him Fidel?  I think I know why.  But actually, similar reasons apply to not using the name Pedro, at least in the US.

    Because there is a commie dictator named Pedro somewhere? (Does this guy count?) It’s pretty obvious that Peter and his wife decided to name one of their sons after his father with a nod to his mother’s heritage thrown in. I have always thought it was a lovely, and profoundly American, combination.

    Are their daughters, if they have any, named Bertha or Hortense?  Doubtful.  But why not?  Both were perfectly acceptable names… 100 years ago, or something.

    This is a different point which would be relevant if you were objecting to Peter naming his kid the dude equivalent of Hortense. Rutherford, maybe?

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Part of the discussion here involves people giving their children names that might cause them difficulties in life.

    Maybe, but you, weirdly, have ridden this hobbyhorse multiple times in other threads over the past few years when it was not part of the broader discussion.

    If Mrs Robinson is from Cuba, why not name him Fidel? I think I know why. But actually, similar reasons apply to not using the name Pedro, at least in the US.

    Because there is a commie dictator named Pedro somewhere? (Does this guy count?) It’s pretty obvious that Peter and his wife decided to name one of their sons after his father with a nod to his mother’s heritage thrown in. I have always thought it was a lovely, and profoundly American, combination.

    Are their daughters, if they have any, named Bertha or Hortense? Doubtful. But why not? Both were perfectly acceptable names… 100 years ago, or something.

    This is a different point which would be relevant if you were objecting to Peter naming his kid the dude equivalent of Hortense. Rutherford, maybe?

    Even if his or her grandmother, aunt, great-grandmother, great-aunt, etc, as far back as you want to go, was named Hortense or Bertha, it would still be a bad idea to name a daughter TODAY Hortense or Bertha.

    And that’s the same point for all of it, really.

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  8. Arahant Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):
    Rutherford, maybe?

    We called cousin Rutherford “Bubba.” It started with one of his sisters who couldn’t say, “Brother.” He was Rutherford, III or IV, I believe.

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  9. Arahant Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):
    It’s pretty obvious that Peter and his wife decided to name one of their sons after his father with a nod to his mother’s heritage thrown in. I have always thought it was a lovely, and profoundly American, combination.

    Agreed.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    It’s pretty obvious that Peter and his wife decided to name one of their sons after his father with a nod to his mother’s heritage thrown in. I have always thought it was a lovely, and profoundly American, combination.

    Agreed.

    If Pedro is already an adaptation of Peter, why not just call him Peter?

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  11. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    If Pedro is already an adaptation of Peter, why not just call him Peter?

    Why not name him Richard and call him Dick?

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    If Pedro is already an adaptation of Peter, why not just call him Peter?

    Why not name him Richard and call him Dick?

    Did your #13 go right out of your head after you wrote it?

    Like it or lump it, “Pedro” is an unusual name in the US, these days.

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  13. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Like it or lump it, “Pedro” is an unusual name in the US, these days.

    It isn’t that unusual. You are unusual. Change yourself.

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Like it or lump it, “Pedro” is an unusual name in the US, these days.

    It isn’t that unusual. You are unusual. Change yourself.

    #400 is pretty far down the list.

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  15. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Like it or lump it, “Pedro” is an unusual name in the US, these days.

    It isn’t that unusual. You are unusual. Change yourself.

    #400 is pretty far down the list.

    Yeah, but you’re below 8,000,000,000 on the list.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Like it or lump it, “Pedro” is an unusual name in the US, these days.

    It isn’t that unusual. You are unusual. Change yourself.

    #400 is pretty far down the list.

    Yeah, but you’re below 8,000,000,000 on the list.

    Who are you, and what have you done with the Arahant that wrote #13?

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  17. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Who are you, and what have you done with the Arahant that wrote #13?

    Do you see where I specified a number, a cutoff? You’re the one who says the 399th most popular name is unusual and unacceptable. Is your name at #398? Is that why you want that cutoff? Personally, I don’t find Pedro to be unusual, and I find your insistence that it is to be lowbrow at best, and probably disqualifying for public office.

    Let me simplify what I said in #13 for you:

    1. Give children sex-appropriate names.
    2. Give children whole names, not diminutives. That gives them more choices when they grow up.
    3. Don’t give your kids unusual names or names that will be made fun of, like Elmer or Homer. (Why did I mention those names? Elmer Fudd and Homer Simpson.) Studies have shown that unusual names tend to be more likely to lead to antisocial behavior and jail. The only Elmer I know of born after 1940 wound up dying in jail after raping an 80-year-old woman when he was in his late teens or early twenties.
    4. Avoid trendy names. While I didn’t get into this aspect, one reason is that they are more likely to have and cause confusion when the child gets to school and has five classmates of the same name. (That happened to my brother.)
    5. Avoid sexually ambiguous given names. (Sexually-ambiguous diminutives is not as big of a deal.)
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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Who are you, and what have you done with the Arahant that wrote #13?

    Do you see where I specified a number, a cutoff? You’re the one who says the 399th most popular name is unusual and unacceptable. Is your name at #398? Is that why you want that cutoff? Personally, I don’t find Pedro to be unusual, and I find your insistence that it is to be lowbrow at best, and probably disqualifying for public office.

    Let me simplify what I said in #13 for you:

    1. Give children sex-appropriate names.
    2. Give children whole names, not diminutives. That gives them more choices when they grow up.
    3. Don’t give your kids unusual names or names that will be made fun of, like Elmer or Homer. (Why did I mention those names? Elmer Fudd and Homer Simpson.) Studies have shown that unusual names tend to be more likely to lead to antisocial behavior and jail. The only Elmer I know of born after 1940 wound up dying in jail after raping an 80-year-old woman when he was in his late teens or early twenties.
    4. Avoid trendy names. While I didn’t get into this aspect, one reason is that they are more likely to have and cause confusion when the child gets to school and has five classmates of the same name. (That happened to my brother.)
    5. Avoid sexually ambiguous given names. (Sexually-ambiguous diminutives is not as big of a deal.)

    I haven’t known a Pedro since Elementary School.  Call it 55 years.

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  19. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    I haven’t known a Pedro since Elementary School.

    It’s a more common name than Jerald or Stuart, both of which I consider common enough. Because you don’t know any doesn’t mean they aren’t out there, lurking in the shadows, ready to spring on you and slit your throat when you go out since you have dissed them so badly.

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  20. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    The problem when the calls come in unsolicited is that one never knows who is really calling and who is keeping information on one’s opinions. Given the current climate, I believe caution is advised.

    Exactly. This is why I suspect polls showing the number of gun owners are drastically below the real value . . .

    “Drastically” being an understatement.

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  21. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    If only there were a Spanish version of the name Randy or Randell, I’d change my screen name to it for a week or so, just for fun.

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  22. Stad Coolidge
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    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    I haven’t answered a poll since GWB was in office. I’d answered a few before that. I got tired of the obviously-biased and/or laughingly simplistic questions and decided they weren’t worth bothering with.

    For example, that last one under GWB was about the Iraq war (of course). One of the questions was whether I agreed with the way the war was being handled. I didn’t, because I thought we weren’t being aggressive enough, but there was no way to express that. It was obvious from the other questions that my “no” on that one would be taken as me being against the war, in general, almost exactly the opposite of my position.

    Almost every poll I’ve taken had this issue of bias and/or idiocy.

    Exactly.  Biden’s extreme unpopularity could be partially because the left doesn’t think he’s doing enough.  The “why” is either never asked, or the results are not published if it is . . .

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  23. Red Herring Coolidge
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    I will answer polls while my husband won’t. I like to listen to see if it is a push or pull poll then I look for media reporting on polls. One Repub trick is to call folks registered as Repubs and ask us questions about things they know we will like or dislike then ask for “support” to help them get what we like or to fight what we don’t like.

    I do not trust any poll on guns. They are designed to put ideas in the heads of the naive.

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  24. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Stad (View Comment):
    Exactly.  Biden’s extreme unpopularity could be partially because the left doesn’t think he’s doing enough.  The “why” is either never asked, or the results are not published if it is . . .

    We’ll hear about the poll question asking if the country is on the right or wrong track.  That is so unspecific it is just meaningless.

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  25. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    No, I understand the point. It is just that I understand how computers use data. Our phone numbers tie us together, our email addresses do the same. These are unique identifiers that change little and can be used to track us. I can take the phone numbers that are called and buy a few databases on social media that require you to enter your phone numbers to sign on and do some fairly standard database operations and have that information you think is lost. Not only will I now have the data of where you live based off your phone number I will also have a much better profile of each person depending on the data I can purchase. As I keep adding to my database I will get a more and more complete understanding of the people in my database.

    But does every little podunk polling operation – especially those maybe run independently by political campaigns – bother to get that information, assuming they can afford it? Why do I keep getting calls to my 602 area code cell phone about politics in Arizona, and from we-finance-anyone car dealers etc, when I left Arizona two years ago?

    No they do not. Why would they? They are the creator / originator of data they package and sell to others that will use. The polling is just the excuse to collect the data they are selling. Or maybe the list is fed to them from who is ordering it. It is those that get that data and have the power that act on it that is the issue.

    But when they only ask what I think of President Trump’s performance etc, they never find out that I no longer live where they think I live.

    Cleaning the database of bad/obsolete data is much more expensive than collecting it. Collection is automated. Cleaning it often requires at least some level of human judgement be made. It often ends up cheaper to leave the obsolete data there. The odd wasted call costs less than cleaning the data.

    And bad databases have a use too.  Say you have a recall and need to verify if a candidate signatures to have the recall is correct.   Go against a database with lots of bad data and you can eliminate many of the people that signed up so they can not be on the ballad.  

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  26. Arahant Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If only there were a Spanish version of the name Randy or Randell, I’d change my screen name to it for a week or so, just for fun.

    Try Lobo.

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  27. Arahant Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    so they can not be on the ballad.

    Are you using some form of speech to text?

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  28. Charlotte Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If only there were a Spanish version of the name Randy or Randell, I’d change my screen name to it for a week or so, just for fun.

    How about El Rando? Works on multiple levels.

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  29. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    so they can not be on the ballad.

    Are you using some form of speech to text?

    not sure what is up.  auto correct is now messing up a bunch today.  Seems to be reaching back into the message a few sentences.   

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  30. El Rando Moderator
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If only there were a Spanish version of the name Randy or Randell, I’d change my screen name to it for a week or so, just for fun.

    How about El Rando? Works on multiple levels.

    You got it, Carlotta.  I realized my profile was out of date, I hadn’t updated it to show my new city and state.

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