LOC: Ukraine War 6-Month Update

 

Everyone’s favorite panel returns to discuss the latest developments in Ukraine and answer your questions!

What I most like about our panel is that we have a diverse point of view and argue from different perspectives so you don’t get the usual all pro-Ukraine/West perspective of the mainstream media or the pro-Russian perspective of the independent media.

So watch what we think is happening.  And add your own thoughts below.

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Good watch, I learned a lot.

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  2. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    As one of the participants, I can hardly be thought of as unbiased vis-a-vis recommending it’s promotion to the Main Feed…

    That being said, please “like” this post, and help us get it elevated to public access. Thanks!

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  3. Columbo Member
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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    We are disarming our own military to arm theirs.

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  5. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Good discussion, guys.  Thanks.

    If I followed you correctly, your general views are:

    (1) Mark (@seawriter) thinks that the Russians are overextended, and the Ukrainians have a good chance of pushing them back with a counteroffensive.

    (2) Clark (@postmodernhoplite) thinks that the war is at a stalemate, with the Russians continuing to make very small gains.  The most likely outcome is a continued stalemate, and the more likely departure from this would be a Russian advance, with little chance of a significant Ukrainian counteroffensive.

    (3) Dave (@torywarwriter) thinks that the most likely outcome is a Russian breakout, as the recent fighting has worn down the Ukrainian defenses.  The locations of the breakout would be both Donbas and Mykolaiv, with the latter involving a Russian advance to Odessa.

    I appreciate the answers to my questions.  My impression is that the three of you think that the Russians are more interested in taking Odessa than I thought, though there is disagreement about the likelihood of Russian success in such an offensive.

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  6. Vince Guerra Member
    Vince Guerra
    @VinceGuerra

    ToryWarWriter: or the pro-Russian perspective of the independent media.

    I haven’t seen much of this in the independent media. Most of the perspectives I see on the uncensored media is as wary of Russia as it is of Washington D.C. 

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  7. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    Extremely good discussion. Enjoyed it greatly.

    On the 90,000 dead Ukrainians (I think the 90,000 figure is low), I think it is well known within the leadership. How do they keep it under wraps? The government controls the press. Ukrainians are highly displaced and family contacts may be greatly broken down. 

     

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  8. ToryWarWriter Reagan
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    @ToryWarWriter

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Good discussion, guys. Thanks.

    If I followed you correctly, your general views are:

    (1) Mark (@ seawriter) thinks that the Russians are overextended, and the Ukrainians have a good chance of pushing them back with a counteroffensive.

    (2) Clark (@ postmodernhoplite) thinks that the war is at a stalemate, with the Russians continuing to make very small gains. The most likely outcome is a continued stalemate, and the more likely departure from this would be a Russian advance, with little chance of a significant Ukrainian counteroffensive.

    (3) Dave (@ torywarwriter) thinks that the most likely outcome is a Russian breakout, as the recent fighting has worn down the Ukrainian defenses. The locations of the breakout would be both Donbas and Mykolaiv, with the latter involving a Russian advance to Odessa.

    I appreciate the answers to my questions. My impression is that the three of you think that the Russians are more interested in taking Odessa than I thought, though there is disagreement about the likelihood of Russian success in such an offensive.

    Yeah and as I said earlier, its good we have such divergent views cause I cant think of anywhere else your going to get this kind of range of opinion.  

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  9. ToryWarWriter Reagan
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    @ToryWarWriter

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Extremely good discussion. Enjoyed it greatly.

    On the 90,000 dead Ukrainians (I think the 90,000 figure is low), I think it is well known within the leadership. How do they keep it under wraps? The government controls the press. Ukrainians are highly displaced and family contacts may be greatly broken down.

     

    Ive heard from as low 50000 from the leaked Ukrainian document to 200000 dead from some of the more aggressive types.

    I am tempted to go with the 90000, we can only look at the recent coverage of Covid to see how easy it is to suppress information.

    My sources cited are as follows plus a few more.

     

    The Duran, foreign policy realists

     

    https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDuran

    Alex Martynov, former Soviet era naval commander, now living in USA

    https://www.youtube.com/user/smoothieX12

    Defense Politics Asia, for the daily grind of the war,

    https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia

    Douglas Macgregor, former advisor to Trump

    https://www.youtube.com/c/ColonelDouglasMacgregor

    Larry Johnsons blog, former CIA officer,

    https://sonar21.com/

    The Dreizen report, former Army officer, dont buy his stuff on Covid personally,

    https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/08/20/i-think-im-going-to-die/

    Moon of Alabama, more european centric blog

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/

     

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  10. Hang On Member
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    @HangOn

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Extremely good discussion. Enjoyed it greatly.

    On the 90,000 dead Ukrainians (I think the 90,000 figure is low), I think it is well known within the leadership. How do they keep it under wraps? The government controls the press. Ukrainians are highly displaced and family contacts may be greatly broken down.

    Ive heard from as low 50000 from the leaked Ukrainian document to 200000 dead from some of the more aggressive types.

    I am tempted to go with the 90000, we can only look at the recent coverage of Covid to see how easy it is to suppress information.

    My sources cited are as follows plus a few more.

    The Duran, foreign policy realists

    https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDuran

    Alex Martynov, former Soviet era naval commander, now living in USA

    https://www.youtube.com/user/smoothieX12

    Defense Politics Asia, for the daily grind of the war,

    https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia

    Douglas Macgregor, former advisor to Trump

    https://www.youtube.com/c/ColonelDouglasMacgregor

    Larry Johnsons blog, former CIA officer,

    https://sonar21.com/

    The Dreizen report, former Army officer, dont buy his stuff on Covid personally,

    https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/08/20/i-think-im-going-to-die/

    Moon of Alabama, more european centric blog

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/

    I follow all of those as well. Dreizin is more or less bored with the war and has moved on to predicting a very deadly strain of covid by spring next year. His biggest insight to the war is that Putin has been trying to retire and he doesn’t think the candidates for succession are up to doing something like Ukraine. I think that was from sidebar with Viva Barnes.

    Robert Barnes’ of Viva Barnes has made good predictions and has tips on how to figure out what is going on with Ukrainian propaganda based on what prosecutors and defense lawyers do. He has a channel on Locals.com.

    Last night he and David Frei had a guest interview with a Canadian who did his doctorate on Alexander Dugin.

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  11. ToryWarWriter Reagan
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    Hang On (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Extremely good discussion. Enjoyed it greatly.

    On the 90,000 dead Ukrainians (I think the 90,000 figure is low), I think it is well known within the leadership. How do they keep it under wraps? The government controls the press. Ukrainians are highly displaced and family contacts may be greatly broken down.

    Ive heard from as low 50000 from the leaked Ukrainian document to 200000 dead from some of the more aggressive types.

    I am tempted to go with the 90000, we can only look at the recent coverage of Covid to see how easy it is to suppress information.

    My sources cited are as follows plus a few more.

    The Duran, foreign policy realists

    https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDuran

    Alex Martynov, former Soviet era naval commander, now living in USA

    https://www.youtube.com/user/smoothieX12

    Defense Politics Asia, for the daily grind of the war,

    https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia

    Douglas Macgregor, former advisor to Trump

    https://www.youtube.com/c/ColonelDouglasMacgregor

    Larry Johnsons blog, former CIA officer,

    https://sonar21.com/

    The Dreizen report, former Army officer, dont buy his stuff on Covid personally,

    https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/08/20/i-think-im-going-to-die/

    Moon of Alabama, more european centric blog

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/

    I follow all of those as well. Dreizin is more or less bored with the war and has moved on to predicting a very deadly strain of covid by spring next year. His biggest insight to the war is that Putin has been trying to retire and he doesn’t think the candidates for succession are up to doing something like Ukraine. I think that was from sidebar with Viva Barnes.

    Robert Barnes’ of Viva Barnes has made good predictions and has tips on how to figure out what is going on with Ukrainian propaganda based on what prosecutors and defense lawyers do. He has a channel on Locals.com.

    Last night he and David Frei had a guest interview with a Canadian who did his doctorate on Alexander Dugin.

    I figured as much.
    Those links are more for Clarks benefit, who you can see writing things down in the show.  

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  12. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    I have no idea who is right. It reminds me of something I think Douglas Adams once said. “There is a myth that you can research a subject and understand it quickly. When it comes to global warming, there is such you don’t know that binging a bunch of youtube videos isn’t going to help you. You can’t even ask the right questions. “

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  13. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I have no idea who is right. It reminds me of something I think Douglas Adams once said. “There is a myth that you can research a subject and understand it quickly. When it comes to global warming, there is such you don’t know that binging a bunch of youtube videos isn’t going to help you. You can’t even ask the right questions. “

    It does not matter if you ask the right questions.  Nobody will give you any answers other than those that further their goals.  I doubt climate change has much to do with actual climate.  Has more to do with making money and taking money for a product they will never have to produce.  

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  14. Vince Guerra Member
    Vince Guerra
    @VinceGuerra

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I have no idea who is right. It reminds me of something I think Douglas Adams once said. “There is a myth that you can research a subject and understand it quickly. When it comes to global warming, there is such you don’t know that binging a bunch of youtube videos isn’t going to help you. You can’t even ask the right questions. “

    Probably because as with most issues relating to history (and especially Eastern European history) it’s going to take a few decades to sort out what actually happened and what it all means. 

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  15. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I have no idea who is right. It reminds me of something I think Douglas Adams once said. “There is a myth that you can research a subject and understand it quickly. When it comes to global warming, there is such you don’t know that binging a bunch of youtube videos isn’t going to help you. You can’t even ask the right questions. “

    Probably because as with most issues relating to history (and especially Eastern European history) it’s going to take a few decades to sort out what actually happened and what it all means.

    Dennis Miller mentioned this about the Iraq war that he supported. “It will take decades to figure out if this is really good or bad.” Everything is impossibly hard in the short-term.

     

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  16. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    So I wrote a post about how awesome this podcast is. Fair warning, it’s mostly about how garbage all the other reporting is but I wish to promote quality and demote dysfunction wherever I find it. 

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  17. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    So I really need you guys to come to my post and explain the nature of nuclear plants. I really want to do better the MSM but I realize that I am incredibly ignorant. 

    So please go this post.

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  18. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Thank you for answering my question. And nice to put faces to you all.

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