Canada’s ‘Suicide Solution’

 

I have been thinking about the Canadian Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) law passed in 2016. That year, 1,018 people took advantage of the new law to shuffle off from this mortal coil; in 2021, 10,064 where talked into it. The media have found doctors hard-selling suicide like they needed to win a set of steak knives, for conditions that are reasonably treatable and not at all debilitating.

Wikipedia Euthanasia in Canada

Perhaps the medical profession has been infested with Ozzy fans?

Veteran with PTSD offered Euthanasia

The real problem with publicly financed healthcare, that combined with euthanasia, you have given the government a ghoulish incentive to kill off its citizens with chronic but treatable disease, and a method to do it.

I had to post this tonight… If I had googled “Suicide Solution” one more time, someone would be knocking on my door.

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  1. Vance Richards Member
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    OccupantCDN:

    The real problem with publicly financed healthcare, that combined with Euthanasia, you have given the government ghoulish incentive to kill off its citizens with chronic but treatable disease, and a method to do it.

    This is true, and awful. Wonder what type of guidelines the government might put out for doctors?

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  2. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    “The real problem with publicly financed healthcare, that combined with Euthanasia, you have given the government ghoulish incentive to kill off its citizens with chronic but treatable disease, and a method to do it.”

    Sometimes the old “bio-research lab in China” resource can help get rid of the most budget-draining ones.

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  3. Stad Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN: The real problem with publicly financed healthcare, that combined with Euthanasia, you have given the government ghoulish incentive to kill off its citizens with chronic but treatable disease, and a method to do it.

    Gov’t:

    “We have determined your treatment is too expensive, so we are stopping it.  However, you have this option over here if the pain gets to be too much.”

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  4. Chuck Thatcher
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN:

    The real problem with publicly financed healthcare, that combined with Euthanasia, you have given the government ghoulish incentive to kill off its citizens with chronic but treatable disease, and a method to do it.

    This is true, and awful. Wonder what type of guidelines the government might put out for doctors?

    From scanning the above linked Wiki article, it would not be quite so quickly disastrous were the guidelines critically applied: But definition of terms (like “intolerable suffering”, or “advanced state of irreversible decline“) is an eternal issue, and the idea that all docs might eventually be forced to murder a patient leaves me – well, what to say?

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  5. Stad Coolidge
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    Chuck (View Comment):
    “advanced state of irreversible decline

    Isn’t this the same thing as “old age?”

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  6. Chuck Thatcher
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Chuck (View Comment):
    “advanced state of irreversible decline

    Isn’t this the same thing as “old age?”

    My thoughts exactly!

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  7. Rodin Member
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    Chuck (View Comment):

    “[D]efinition of terms (like ‘intolerable suffering’, or ‘advanced state of irreversible decline’) is an eternal issue….”

    You could certainly say that when assisted suicide is involved.

     

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  8. Peckish Cedar Coolidge
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    Just the bookend of abortion. Getting rid of the unwanted.  Its herd management, eugenics, etc.

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  9. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    When you have socialized medicine, every person’s life becomes a line-item in the government budget.  The end result is cultural suicide.

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  10. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    I lost my father on June 2 of advanced Parkinson’s disease.  I helped him break out of a nursing home/rehab in the “Villages” in Florida, touted as the best in the area.  They resisted but I persisted and off we went on a cross country trip to Arizona.  My dad bounced back and we spent a very good year together, but he still declined from walker, to wheelchair, to complete immobility and full-time in home care.  I was glad to provide this, but it was very difficult to watch him diminish, unable to speak, in pain.  But he was stoic until the end and passed peacefully.  As difficult as those final few months were, palliatives made it tolerable and he really was not much of a burden to the federal treasury.  Hospice provides supplies and medication, weekly nurse visits and baths.  I covered the costs for daily care and took a shift myself.  As horrible as all this was, I would never consider euthenasia. I had a hard enough time administering morphine ever 4 hours for pain.  My job was to ease my father’s passing, not cause it.  BTW, the hospice people were amazing.  

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  11. iWe Coolidge
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    I understand Euthanasia is now one of the top-5 causes of death in Canada. Is that right?!

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  12. Henry Castaigne Member
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    It ain’t all bad.

    https://freakonomics.com/podcast/are-you-ready-for-a-glorious-sunset/

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  13. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    When you have socialized medicine, every person’s life becomes a line-item in the government budget. The end result is cultural suicide.

    Not only a line item, but also instantly a liability to the bottom line.

     

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  14. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Peckish Cedar (View Comment):

    Just the bookend of abortion. Getting rid of the unwanted. Its herd management, eugenics, etc.

    You’re either a taxpayer or a burden on society. 

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  15. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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  16. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    iWe (View Comment):

    I understand Euthanasia is now one of the top-5 causes of death in Canada. Is that right?!

    Close. I think its 6th.

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  17. Henry Castaigne Member
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    According to Abby Hoffman, assistant deputy minister of Health Canada, 7,595 people received “medically assisted deaths” last year, a figure which amounts to 2.5% of all deaths in Canada for the year. 

    In 2019, 5,631 people died by physician-assisted suicide and euthanasia in Canada, which accounted for 2% of all deaths in the country. 

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/247950/deaths-by-euthanasia-soared-last-year-in-canada

     

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  18. Steven Seward Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    According to Abby Hoffman, assistant deputy minister of Health Canada, 7,595 people received “medically assisted deaths” last year, a figure which amounts to 2.5% of all deaths in Canada for the year.

    In 2019, 5,631 people died by physician-assisted suicide and euthanasia in Canada, which accounted for 2% of all deaths in the country.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/247950/deaths-by-euthanasia-soared-last-year-in-canada

     

    Looks like it just increased to 3.3% of all Canadian deaths last year.

    “Comparing the Third Annual report (2021) to the Second Annual Report (2020), the report states that there were: 10,064 assisted deaths in 2021 up from 7603 in 2020, 5661 in 2019, 4480 in 2018, 2838 in 2017 and 1018 in 2016.

    The report indicates that the number of assisted deaths increased by 32.4% representing 3.3% of all deaths in 2021.

    When all data sources are considered, the total of number of (MAiD) reported assisted deaths in Canada from legalization to December 31, 2021 is 31,664.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/10000-canadian-euthanasia-killings-in-2021/

    The article later states that if 3.3% of American deaths were euthanizations, it would amount to over 120,000 per year.  I tried to find stats on the percentage of pet owners that euthanize their dogs or cats but couldn’t find any.  I would think it is not a whole lot higher than Canada’s euthanizing of humans.

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  19. The Reticulator Member
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    Chuck (View Comment):
    From scanning the above linked Wiki article, it would not be quite so quickly disastrous were the guidelines critically applied: But definition of terms (like “intolerable suffering”, or “advanced state of irreversible decline“) is an eternal issue, and the idea that all docs might eventually be forced to murder a patient leaves me – well, what to say?

    They all won’t be forced to do it. The ones that don’t like it will retire and be replaced by those fresh from the universities, who will do it quite willingly. 

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  20. Chuck Thatcher
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Chuck (View Comment):
    From scanning the above linked Wiki article, it would not be quite so quickly disastrous were the guidelines critically applied: But definition of terms (like “intolerable suffering”, or “advanced state of irreversible decline“) is an eternal issue, and the idea that all docs might eventually be forced to murder a patient leaves me – well, what to say?

    They all won’t be forced to do it. The ones that don’t like it will retire and be replaced by those fresh from the universities, who will do it quite willingly.

    Oh, that’s a relief.

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  21. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Considering the state of the world and the coming Leftist take over it is comforting that an easy way to check out is available 

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  22. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    According to Abby Hoffman, assistant deputy minister of Health Canada, 7,595 people received “medically assisted deaths” last year, a figure which amounts to 2.5% of all deaths in Canada for the year.

    In 2019, 5,631 people died by physician-assisted suicide and euthanasia in Canada, which accounted for 2% of all deaths in the country.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/247950/deaths-by-euthanasia-soared-last-year-in-canada

     

    Looks like it just increased to 3.3% of all Canadian deaths last year.

    “Comparing the Third Annual report (2021) to the Second Annual Report (2020), the report states that there were: 10,064 assisted deaths in 2021 up from 7603 in 2020, 5661 in 2019, 4480 in 2018, 2838 in 2017 and 1018 in 2016.

    The report indicates that the number of assisted deaths increased by 32.4% representing 3.3% of all deaths in 2021.

    When all data sources are considered, the total of number of (MAiD) reported assisted deaths in Canada from legalization to December 31, 2021 is 31,664.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/10000-canadian-euthanasia-killings-in-2021/

    The article later states that if 3.3% of American deaths were euthanizations, it would amount to over 120,000 per year. I tried to find stats on the percentage of pet owners that euthanize their dogs or cats but couldn’t find any. I would think it is not a whole lot higher than Canada’s euthanizing of humans.

    I respectfully disagree with your conclusion. My father was a Veterinarian who charged people extra because he wanted to do the best job on everything. Lots of decent pet owners paid for all the basic checkups and all the basic surgeries. Then their old dog gets sick and it’s thousands of dollars to buy them maybe a year or three and they will probably be sick during that time. Many very nice people who have some money spend opt to put down the pet.

     

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  23. Steven Seward Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    According to Abby Hoffman, assistant deputy minister of Health Canada, 7,595 people received “medically assisted deaths” last year, a figure which amounts to 2.5% of all deaths in Canada for the year.

    In 2019, 5,631 people died by physician-assisted suicide and euthanasia in Canada, which accounted for 2% of all deaths in the country.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/247950/deaths-by-euthanasia-soared-last-year-in-canada

     

    Looks like it just increased to 3.3% of all Canadian deaths last year.

    “Comparing the Third Annual report (2021) to the Second Annual Report (2020), the report states that there were: 10,064 assisted deaths in 2021 up from 7603 in 2020, 5661 in 2019, 4480 in 2018, 2838 in 2017 and 1018 in 2016.

    The report indicates that the number of assisted deaths increased by 32.4% representing 3.3% of all deaths in 2021.

    When all data sources are considered, the total of number of (MAiD) reported assisted deaths in Canada from legalization to December 31, 2021 is 31,664.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/10000-canadian-euthanasia-killings-in-2021/

    The article later states that if 3.3% of American deaths were euthanizations, it would amount to over 120,000 per year. I tried to find stats on the percentage of pet owners that euthanize their dogs or cats but couldn’t find any. I would think it is not a whole lot higher than Canada’s euthanizing of humans.

    I respectfully disagree with your conclusion. My father was a Veterinarian who charged people extra because he wanted to do the best job on everything. Lots of decent pet owners paid for all the basic checkups and all the basic surgeries. Then their old dog gets sick and it’s thousands of dollars to buy them maybe a year or three and they will probably be sick during that time. Many very nice people who have some money spend opt to put down the pet.

    I didn’t make any conclusions.  I just reported “the facts, Ma’am.”  I don’t disagree with euthanizing pets.

     

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  24. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    If people want to off themselves why is that an issue?  It is their life.  They should go out on their own terms.  

    I have had friends go out with brain cancer.  They spent the last months of their life screaming in pain.  Took their family along for that ride while the medical community sucked up much of the family wealth “helping” something that could not be helped.   Seems that suicide is a very good solution to that issue.  No months of pointless pain.  No putting their family and friends through it with them.  Plus you save a buck to help your family move on.  

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  25. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    If people want to off themselves why is that an issue? It is their life. They should go out on their own terms.

    I have had friends go out with brain cancer. They spent the last months of their life screaming in pain. Took their family along for that ride while the medical community sucked up much of the family wealth “helping” something that could not be helped. Seems that suicide is a very good solution to that issue. No months of pointless pain. No putting their family and friends through it with them. Plus you save a buck to help your family move on.

    Sure., I think we can agree on those circumstances being a proper use of euthanasia. but it seems, those receiving the sales pitch are in far less dire situations and were being pressured for cost of treatments.

    Are those with treatable disease that are the by product of lifestyle, like diabetes or lung cancer, going to be denied treatment because their actions led to their disease?

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  26. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    If people want to off themselves why is that an issue? It is their life. They should go out on their own terms.

    I have had friends go out with brain cancer. They spent the last months of their life screaming in pain. Took their family along for that ride while the medical community sucked up much of the family wealth “helping” something that could not be helped. Seems that suicide is a very good solution to that issue. No months of pointless pain. No putting their family and friends through it with them. Plus you save a buck to help your family move on.

    I disagree strongly. But I’m not going to go into that now.

    This discussion is about the concern that the system (the people in the system) will pressure patients into making a decision to be offed even if that’s not really what the patient wants. 

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  27. The Reticulator Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    If people want to off themselves why is that an issue? It is their life. They should go out on their own terms.

    I have had friends go out with brain cancer. They spent the last months of their life screaming in pain. Took their family along for that ride while the medical community sucked up much of the family wealth “helping” something that could not be helped. Seems that suicide is a very good solution to that issue. No months of pointless pain. No putting their family and friends through it with them. Plus you save a buck to help your family move on.

    Keep the medical profession out of it, though.  I don’t want them working both sides of the street. 

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  28. Rick Banyan Member
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    There is a recently published book that discusses Canada’s assisted suicide program written by Stefanie Green, a Canadian doctor, entitled This is Assisted Dying: A Doctor’s Story of Empowering Patients at the End of Life. The book was reviewed in the Fall 2022 edition of Tricycle (everyone’s favorite Buddhist quarterly). Even the sympathetic lefty Buddhist reviewer had a problem with assisted suicide since it brought into conflict the Buddhist ideals of not killing and acting with compassion.

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