What Was the Purpose of the Raid on Mar-a-Lago?

 

It’s been almost two weeks and the purpose of the raid is unclear. Leaks indicating that they were looking for nuclear secrets appear to be far-fetched. If Trump took nonclassified records that didn’t belong to him, that could have been resolved given his cooperation in June. Some of the FBI people were also participants in the Russia hoax.

Some have suggested, including a Newsweek reporter, that they were looking for Russiagate documents, including Crossfire Hurricane ones. But it seems improbable that Trump would have only one copy of these records. Wouldn’t copies and scanned versions have been made of anything related to Russiagate? What think ye?

If the raid was to retrieve Russiagate documents, then it’s not about Trump malfeasance but is instead about covering up the illegal and unethical activities of the FBI, CIA, etc.

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Love it when they come out and say the truth

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  2. RufusRJones Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Love it when they come out and say the truth

    Gary does not have an answer to that on any level. I wish it wasn’t like that, but that’s the way it is. It’s a whole system.

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  3. Steven Seward Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):
    The other one to consider is arrogance. Meaning we’re going to do it because I say so, and the public can jam it, because we are in charge of them.

    The deep state, the ruling class, the uni-party, etc. have financial interests and they think they can run everything better. They all live in the same neighborhood and they all know each other and that is how they think. Sociopathic parasites and central planners.

    Act accordingly.

     

     

     

    Analysis including a segment I hadn’t heard before:

    This is even better analysis and commentary on Sam Harris revealing himself as an elitist communist on the trigonometry podcast. Start at 16:00 and it goes for about 15 minutes:

     

    https://omny.fm/shows/red-eye-radio/red-eye-radio-8-19-22-part-2

     

    Red Eye Radio is really excellent as long as the news they are talking about doesn’t break late in the day, because they sleep before the show starts. They are really good at talking about complicated and multi dimensional things. Really thoughtful conservatives that can explain things really well.

    That is really flipped out, Man!  (I must sound like a stoned Hippy)  I used to think Sam Harris, despite having some naive ides, was a generally critical thinker.  But apparently he’s way out there in power-hungry, self gratifying  leftist land.  There is almost no coming back from those authoritarian-loving statements he made.  That is literally “jumping the shark!”

    By the way, I just love the Red Eye radio guys!  I consider them the most informative and level-headed pundits in the business.  Been listening for nearly 20 years, or however long they’ve been on.

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  4. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    I just read a piece by Andrew McCarthy in National Review in which he claims that all documents Trump had in his possession are considered property of the Federal Gubmint, no matter if they are de-classified or not, and that the FBI raid was launched simply to get them back. He also claims that Trump either stonewalled or simply didn’t comply with earlier requests to give back the documents, thus justifying this raid. This is almost a complete reversal of his previous articles on the raid in which he was suspicious of government actions and purported reasons.

    Props to whoever it was who called it.

    You mean whoever called it about that supposed justification, or whoever called it about Andy McCarthy going back again to believing the FBI/DOJ/etc are fine people who would never do anything untoward? Because if the latter, that might be me.

    Okay, now Andrew McCarthy has gone full berserk on the FBI in this article published yesterday. He excoriates them like I’ve never seen before from any conservative pundit. I don’t get it, the guy is all over the place. Maybe he is bipolar!? Whatever it is, it is getting worse.

    I think he comments based on what information he has, then changes his opinion as more information comes in. Strange how that happens.

    The only trouble is, the stuff he is excoriating the FBI for in the article yesterday, is stuff from five years ago or more, like the phony FISA Court applications and hiding the truth about the Steele Dossier and Hunter Biden. In last week’s article the FBI could do no wrong.

    Again, I think he reacts to whatever the news is, then take3s time to think on it. Should be the other way around, but I get it.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I just read a piece by Andrew McCarthy in National Review in which he claims that all documents Trump had in his possession are considered property of the Federal Gubmint, no matter if they are de-classified or not, and that the FBI raid was launched simply to get them back. He also claims that Trump either stonewalled or simply didn’t comply with earlier requests to give back the documents, thus justifying this raid. This is almost a complete reversal of his previous articles on the raid in which he was suspicious of government actions and purported reasons.

    Props to whoever it was who called it.

    You mean whoever called it about that supposed justification, or whoever called it about Andy McCarthy going back again to believing the FBI/DOJ/etc are fine people who would never do anything untoward? Because if the latter, that might be me.

    Okay, now Andrew McCarthy has gone full berserk on the FBI in this article published yesterday. He excoriates them like I’ve never seen before from any conservative pundit. I don’t get it, the guy is all over the place. Maybe he is bipolar!? Whatever it is, it is getting worse.

    I think he comments based on what information he has, then changes his opinion as more information comes in. Strange how that happens.

    The only trouble is, the stuff he is excoriating the FBI for in the article yesterday, is stuff from five years ago or more, like the phony FISA Court applications and hiding the truth about the Steele Dossier and Hunter Biden. In last week’s article the FBI could do no wrong.

    Again, I think he reacts to whatever the news is, then take3s time to think on it. Should be the other way around, but I get it.

    Maybe he reacts to whatever the news is, but each time the news stops – maybe just for a day – he starts moving back to “The FBI/DOJ/etc are rock-ribbed patriots who never do anything untoward.”  So the speed of his oscillation depends on how often and how quickly the contradictory information comes out.

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  6. Flicker Coolidge
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I just read a piece by Andrew McCarthy in National Review in which he claims that all documents Trump had in his possession are considered property of the Federal Gubmint, no matter if they are de-classified or not, and that the FBI raid was launched simply to get them back. He also claims that Trump either stonewalled or simply didn’t comply with earlier requests to give back the documents, thus justifying this raid. This is almost a complete reversal of his previous articles on the raid in which he was suspicious of government actions and purported reasons.

    Props to whoever it was who called it.

    You mean whoever called it about that supposed justification, or whoever called it about Andy McCarthy going back again to believing the FBI/DOJ/etc are fine people who would never do anything untoward? Because if the latter, that might be me.

    Okay, now Andrew McCarthy has gone full berserk on the FBI in this article published yesterday. He excoriates them like I’ve never seen before from any conservative pundit. I don’t get it, the guy is all over the place. Maybe he is bipolar!? Whatever it is, it is getting worse.

    I think he comments based on what information he has, then changes his opinion as more information comes in. Strange how that happens.

    But his last anti-FBI tirade had years of examples.  His skepticism should have been in play all along when he defended the FBI and the DOJ.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I just read a piece by Andrew McCarthy in National Review in which he claims that all documents Trump had in his possession are considered property of the Federal Gubmint, no matter if they are de-classified or not, and that the FBI raid was launched simply to get them back. He also claims that Trump either stonewalled or simply didn’t comply with earlier requests to give back the documents, thus justifying this raid. This is almost a complete reversal of his previous articles on the raid in which he was suspicious of government actions and purported reasons.

    Props to whoever it was who called it.

    You mean whoever called it about that supposed justification, or whoever called it about Andy McCarthy going back again to believing the FBI/DOJ/etc are fine people who would never do anything untoward? Because if the latter, that might be me.

    Okay, now Andrew McCarthy has gone full berserk on the FBI in this article published yesterday. He excoriates them like I’ve never seen before from any conservative pundit. I don’t get it, the guy is all over the place. Maybe he is bipolar!? Whatever it is, it is getting worse.

    I think he comments based on what information he has, then changes his opinion as more information comes in. Strange how that happens.

    But his last anti-FBI tirade had years of examples. His skepticism should have been in play all along when he defended the FBI and the DOJ.

    Maybe as soon as he stops talking/writing about some bad thing the FBI/DOJ/etc did, he goes “back to sleep” and dreaming of their halcyon days.

     

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  8. cdor Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I just read a piece by Andrew McCarthy in National Review in which he claims that all documents Trump had in his possession are considered property of the Federal Gubmint, no matter if they are de-classified or not, and that the FBI raid was launched simply to get them back. He also claims that Trump either stonewalled or simply didn’t comply with earlier requests to give back the documents, thus justifying this raid. This is almost a complete reversal of his previous articles on the raid in which he was suspicious of government actions and purported reasons.

    Props to whoever it was who called it.

    You mean whoever called it about that supposed justification, or whoever called it about Andy McCarthy going back again to believing the FBI/DOJ/etc are fine people who would never do anything untoward? Because if the latter, that might be me.

    Okay, now Andrew McCarthy has gone full berserk on the FBI in this article published yesterday. He excoriates them like I’ve never seen before from any conservative pundit. I don’t get it, the guy is all over the place. Maybe he is bipolar!? Whatever it is, it is getting worse.

    One paragraph from the cited article by McCarthy:

    “We have to be honest: Things are headed in the wrong direction. Over the last decade, as it took on the cast of a spy agency, the bureau returned to its Hooverian roots, becoming enmeshed in politics and serving a partisan agenda — inevitably that of the Democratic Party because Democrats are the party of government and the bureau knows where its bread is buttered. There is a reason the FBI, taking cues from its political masters, now translates the term domestic terrorism to mean the right-wing extremism of white supremacists, even as left-wing radicals and the criminals they coddle destroy America’s cities.”

    This article is the best thing I’ve ever read by Andrew McCarthy. You can get a one-time relief from the paywall.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):

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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I just read a piece by Andrew McCarthy in National Review in which he claims that all documents Trump had in his possession are considered property of the Federal Gubmint, no matter if they are de-classified or not, and that the FBI raid was launched simply to get them back. He also claims that Trump either stonewalled or simply didn’t comply with earlier requests to give back the documents, thus justifying this raid. This is almost a complete reversal of his previous articles on the raid in which he was suspicious of government actions and purported reasons.

    Props to whoever it was who called it.

    You mean whoever called it about that supposed justification, or whoever called it about Andy McCarthy going back again to believing the FBI/DOJ/etc are fine people who would never do anything untoward? Because if the latter, that might be me.

    Okay, now Andrew McCarthy has gone full berserk on the FBI in this article published yesterday. He excoriates them like I’ve never seen before from any conservative pundit. I don’t get it, the guy is all over the place. Maybe he is bipolar!? Whatever it is, it is getting worse.

    One paragraph from the cited article by McCarthy:

    “We have to be honest: Things are headed in the wrong direction. Over the last decade, as it took on the cast of a spy agency, the bureau returned to its Hooverian roots, becoming enmeshed in politics and serving a partisan agenda — inevitably that of the Democratic Party because Democrats are the party of government and the bureau knows where its bread is buttered. There is a reason the FBI, taking cues from its political masters, now translates the term domestic terrorism to mean the right-wing extremism of white supremacists, even as left-wing radicals and the criminals they coddle destroy America’s cities.”

    This article is the best thing I’ve ever read by Andrew McCarthy. You can get a one-time relief from the paywall.

    But will he still be writing the same way next week?  Tune in next time, same Andy McCarthy time, same Andy McCarthy station!

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  10. Steven Seward Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I just read a piece by Andrew McCarthy in National Review in which he claims that all documents Trump had in his possession are considered property of the Federal Gubmint, no matter if they are de-classified or not, and that the FBI raid was launched simply to get them back. He also claims that Trump either stonewalled or simply didn’t comply with earlier requests to give back the documents, thus justifying this raid. This is almost a complete reversal of his previous articles on the raid in which he was suspicious of government actions and purported reasons.

    Props to whoever it was who called it.

    You mean whoever called it about that supposed justification, or whoever called it about Andy McCarthy going back again to believing the FBI/DOJ/etc are fine people who would never do anything untoward? Because if the latter, that might be me.

    Okay, now Andrew McCarthy has gone full berserk on the FBI in this article published yesterday. He excoriates them like I’ve never seen before from any conservative pundit. I don’t get it, the guy is all over the place. Maybe he is bipolar!? Whatever it is, it is getting worse.

    One paragraph from the cited article by McCarthy:

    “We have to be honest: Things are headed in the wrong direction. Over the last decade, as it took on the cast of a spy agency, the bureau returned to its Hooverian roots, becoming enmeshed in politics and serving a partisan agenda — inevitably that of the Democratic Party because Democrats are the party of government and the bureau knows where its bread is buttered. There is a reason the FBI, taking cues from its political masters, now translates the term domestic terrorism to mean the right-wing extremism of white supremacists, even as left-wing radicals and the criminals they coddle destroy America’s cities.”

    This article is the best thing I’ve ever read by Andrew McCarthy. You can get a one-time relief from the paywall.

    But will he still be writing the same way next week? Tune in next time, same Andy McCarthy time, same Andy McCarthy station!

    Same Bat $#it!

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    This has wonderful quoting of the transcript. 

     

     

     

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  12. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Latest at TGP:

    President Trump on Friday said he will be filing a “major motion” soon in response to the “illegal” FBI raid of his Florida residence.

    “A major motion pertaining to the Fourth Amendment will soon be filed concerning the illegal Break-In of my home, Mar-a-Lago, right before the ever important Mid-Term Elections. “My rights, together with the rights of all Americans, have been violated at a level rarely seen before in our Country. Remember, they even spied on my campaign. The greatest Witch Hunt in USA history has been going on for six years, with no consequences to the scammers. It should not be allowed to continue!” – Trump posted to his Truth Social page.

    . . .

    The DOJ already harassed and subpoenaed for Mar-a-Lago records in June. The Trump team voluntarily handed over the documents.

    The FBI holds a June inventory receipt.

    Investigative journalist Paul Sperry notes that if the FBI did not include these earlier documents or references from their August affidavit they committed fraud on the court.

    So, what’s in the affidavit?

     

    I’m sure if the FBI goofed, the section of the affidavit the judge will encourage them to release won’t refer to this situation  at all. Instead, anything at all relating to this key situation will be withheld, so that the investigation against Trump can continue unimpeded.

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  13. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    I just read a piece by Andrew McCarthy in National Review in which he claims that all documents Trump had in his possession are considered property of the Federal Gubmint, no matter if they are de-classified SNIP

    Props to whoever it was who called it.

    You mean whoever called it about that supposed justification, or whoever called it about Andy McCarthy going back again to believing the FBI/DOJ/etc are fine people who would never do anything untoward? Because if the latter, that might be me.

    Okay, now Andrew McCarthy has gone full berserk on the FBI in this article published yesterday. He excoriates them like I’ve never seen before from any conservative pundit. I don’t get it, the guy is all over the place. Maybe he is bipolar!? Whatever it is, it is getting worse.

    I think he comments based on what information he has, then changes his opinion as more information comes in. Strange how that happens.

    The only trouble is, the stuff he is excoriating the FBI for in the article yesterday, is stuff from five years ago or more, like the phony FISA Court applications and hiding the truth about the Steele Dossier and Hunter Biden. In last week’s article the FBI could do no wrong.

    Again, I think he reacts to whatever the news is, then take3s time to think on it. Should be the other way around, but I get it.

    Maybe he reacts to whatever the news is, but each time the news stops – maybe just for a day – he starts moving back to “The FBI/DOJ/etc are rock-ribbed patriots who never do anything untoward.” So the speed of his oscillation depends on how often and how quickly the contradictory information comes out.

    McCarthy is simply one of the Beltway lizards.

    Imagine the world these lizards inhabit. After all, each day they mingle with Talking Heads – who are all   to the Left of Che Guvara.

    Except that unlike Che, who at least used arguments fully allowing for his listeners or readers to realize how  he was all in on The Revolution, the Fox Talking Heads hide their support for The Revolution behind the idea that good Americans must always wish with all their hearts  to honor Emily Post-style elegant manners. So then as decent  citizens, we  must never speak ill of The FBI.

    One listen to the way the Fox personnel all piled in on the notion of love and light being wished for The FBI during their recent interview of Rand Paul on the subject of the Mar-a-Lago raid should illustrate what I mean:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XGpRaKEu9U

     

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  14. Flicker Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Latest at TGP:

    President Trump on Friday said he will be filing a “major motion” soon in response to the “illegal” FBI raid of his Florida residence.

    “A major motion pertaining to the Fourth Amendment will soon be filed concerning the illegal Break-In of my home, Mar-a-Lago, right before the ever important Mid-Term Elections. “My rights, together with the rights of all Americans, have been violated at a level rarely seen before in our Country. Remember, they even spied on my campaign. The greatest Witch Hunt in USA history has been going on for six years, with no consequences to the scammers. It should not be allowed to continue!” – Trump posted to his Truth Social page.

    . . .

    The DOJ already harassed and subpoenaed for Mar-a-Lago records in June. The Trump team voluntarily handed over the documents.

    The FBI holds a June inventory receipt.

    Investigative journalist Paul Sperry notes that if the FBI did not include these earlier documents or references from their August affidavit they committed fraud on the court.

    So, what’s in the affidavit?

    I’m sure if the FBI goofed, the section of the affidavit the judge will encourage them to release won’t refer to this situation at all. Instead, anything at all relating to this key situation will be withheld, so that the investigation against Trump can continue unimpeded.

    What does the part to be released say?

    • #74
  15. RufusRJones Member
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    Mark Levin read Trump’s lawyers letter to the judge. First hour.

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