All This and the ‘Blue Screen of Death’

 

It is clear that the “Inflation Reduction Act” isn’t. I just read an article in Bloomberg News that Bill Gates had a large part in convincing Sen. Manchin (D-WV) to support what is now called the “Climate Bill.” One of the galling quotes (from Gates) is:

“The Inflation Reduction Act’s passage through Congress is nothing short of extraordinary.” He continued: “This $369 billion investment will spark innovation, drive job creation, and reduce energy prices and emissions. It sets a clear example of what serious climate action looks like.”

What is it about those who made a fortune as a young person that makes them think they are experts in areas completely separate from their original field?  In addition to Bill Gates (Microsoft), there is Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook), Jack Dorsey (Twitter), and Jeff Bezos (Amazon).  Some like John Kerry – who married into money – seem to think their ‘success’ entitles them to control our lives.

At least Steve Jobs (Apple) and Elon Musk (Zip2, what became PayPal, bought by EBay) seem to stay out of my life.

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  1. kedavis Inactive
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    I also don’t get why other elites think Gates is “one of them.”  Sure he’s rich, but does he have any university degree that isn’t honorary?

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  2. Ekosj Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    I also don’t get why other elites think Gates is “one of them.” Sure he’s rich, but does he have any university degree that isn’t honorary?

    The operative line is “he’s rich”

     

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  3. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Years ago, I came across a quote that I never forgot. It was on one of those sites like the WEF or was it the Club of Rome? A statement was made that “we have to “create” a crisis that the world can embrace, like global warming” – something like that.  In other words, create a picture that no one can question, and all energies would be focused on solving that major issue……..  Those handful of rich manipulators have too much power – 

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  4. kedavis Inactive
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I also don’t get why other elites think Gates is “one of them.” Sure he’s rich, but does he have any university degree that isn’t honorary?

    The operative line is “he’s rich”

    As I said, but they’re so much into credentialism…

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  5. Sisyphus Member
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    Steve Jobs has been the perfect CEO politically speaking since he died 11 years ago. His successor, Tim Cook, has steered Apple into becoming a CCP captive and an SJW clown while wearing the el-jibbity mantle of celebrity gay CEO. 

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  6. Hoyacon Member
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    No one whose finances and family are so insulated from the effects of legislation has any business talking about it.   And that’s a lot of what makes DC go ’round.

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  7. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    Elon Musk has publicly praised the Chinese government on numerous occasions, promotes them and gives them business.

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  8. Misthiocracy has never Member
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    WillowSpring: At least Steve Jobs (Apple) and Elon Musk (Zip2, what became PayPal, bought by EBay) seem to stay out of my life.

    Elon Musk has built his fortune on government subsidies and contracts. His primary residence should be in the D.C. ‘burbs.

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  9. TBA Coolidge
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I also don’t get why other elites think Gates is “one of them.” Sure he’s rich, but does he have any university degree that isn’t honorary?

    The operative line is “he’s rich”

    You can never be too rich or too artificially credentialed, or words to that effect. 

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  10. Unsk Member
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    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act'”  ointment.  Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice”  to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems  and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems.  Wouldn’t that be nice.

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  11. kedavis Inactive
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

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  12. Sisyphus Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

    It’s a nuclear option. If they can’t deliver the Dems lose control of the Senate. 

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  13. kedavis Inactive
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

    It’s a nuclear option. If they can’t deliver the Dems lose control of the Senate.

    How?  Is that assuming the Dims lose seats in the upcoming election?  But how would the success or failure of their “plan” be known that soon?

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  14. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

    It’s a nuclear option. If they can’t deliver the Dems lose control of the Senate.

    How? Is that assuming the Dims lose seats in the upcoming election? But how would the success or failure of their “plan” be known that soon?

    I think the idea is that if Manchin doesn’t get his deal, he throws his vote to the Republicans and makes the vote 51 – 49 for the R, and no Kamala voting will get a D bill passed.

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  15. kedavis Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

    It’s a nuclear option. If they can’t deliver the Dems lose control of the Senate.

    How? Is that assuming the Dims lose seats in the upcoming election? But how would the success or failure of their “plan” be known that soon?

    I think the idea is that if Manchin doesn’t get his deal, he throws his vote to the Republicans and makes the vote 51 – 49 for the R, and no Kamala voting will get a D bill passed.

    But didn’t they already vote?  Last I heard, it was already passed.

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  16. Miffed White Male Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    It’s already voted on, passed through the House, and signed into law.

     

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  17. Sisyphus Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

    It’s a nuclear option. If they can’t deliver the Dems lose control of the Senate.

    How? Is that assuming the Dims lose seats in the upcoming election? But how would the success or failure of their “plan” be known that soon?

    The Dems are currently tied with the Republicans for members. Harris’s VP tie breaker is their only claim to control the Senate. Manchin becomes an Independent, no longer caucusing and voting with them, and no party can muster a majority vote in the Senate. This has happened before, and the results were that very little business could be accomplished in the Senate.

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  18. Sisyphus Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

    It’s a nuclear option. If they can’t deliver the Dems lose control of the Senate.

    How? Is that assuming the Dims lose seats in the upcoming election? But how would the success or failure of their “plan” be known that soon?

    I think the idea is that if Manchin doesn’t get his deal, he throws his vote to the Republicans and makes the vote 51 – 49 for the R, and no Kamala voting will get a D bill passed.

    But didn’t they already vote? Last I heard, it was already passed.

    If the Dems don’t fulfill their end of the bargain, the bill in question will pass anyway but Manchin could very likely retaliate by ending Democratic control of the Senate instantly.

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  19. kedavis Inactive
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

    It’s a nuclear option. If they can’t deliver the Dems lose control of the Senate.

    How? Is that assuming the Dims lose seats in the upcoming election? But how would the success or failure of their “plan” be known that soon?

    I think the idea is that if Manchin doesn’t get his deal, he throws his vote to the Republicans and makes the vote 51 – 49 for the R, and no Kamala voting will get a D bill passed.

    But didn’t they already vote? Last I heard, it was already passed.

    If the Dems don’t fulfill their end of the bargain, the bill in question will pass anyway but Manchin could very likely retaliate by ending Democratic control of the Senate instantly.

    Right so he could only “change” his votes on future bills, not the one that was supposedly conditional.

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  20. Sisyphus Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

    It’s a nuclear option. If they can’t deliver the Dems lose control of the Senate.

    How? Is that assuming the Dims lose seats in the upcoming election? But how would the success or failure of their “plan” be known that soon?

    I think the idea is that if Manchin doesn’t get his deal, he throws his vote to the Republicans and makes the vote 51 – 49 for the R, and no Kamala voting will get a D bill passed.

    But didn’t they already vote? Last I heard, it was already passed.

    If the Dems don’t fulfill their end of the bargain, the bill in question will pass anyway but Manchin could very likely retaliate by ending Democratic control of the Senate instantly.

    Right so he could only “change” his votes on future bills, not the one that was supposedly conditional.

    And on the leadership of the Senate.

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  21. kedavis Inactive
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

    It’s a nuclear option. If they can’t deliver the Dems lose control of the Senate.

    How? Is that assuming the Dims lose seats in the upcoming election? But how would the success or failure of their “plan” be known that soon?

    I think the idea is that if Manchin doesn’t get his deal, he throws his vote to the Republicans and makes the vote 51 – 49 for the R, and no Kamala voting will get a D bill passed.

    But didn’t they already vote? Last I heard, it was already passed.

    If the Dems don’t fulfill their end of the bargain, the bill in question will pass anyway but Manchin could very likely retaliate by ending Democratic control of the Senate instantly.

    Right so he could only “change” his votes on future bills, not the one that was supposedly conditional.

    And on the leadership of the Senate.

    Maybe, but that seems like a pretty empty threat to me.

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  22. Sisyphus Member
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    Nevermind.

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  23. TBA Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    There may be a big fly in that “Inflation Reduction Act’” ointment. Manchin’s vote was conditioned upon he getting regulatory energy relief from the Democrats for his state and the House Progressives have quickly said “No Dice” to that.

    It has been opined by others that Manchin said he had “leverage” over the Dems and that leverage may well be that he just becomes an “independent” and no longer caucuses with the Dems. Wouldn’t that be nice.

    But didn’t he already vote to pass, so his “condition” is too late?

    It’s a nuclear option. If they can’t deliver the Dems lose control of the Senate.

    How? Is that assuming the Dims lose seats in the upcoming election? But how would the success or failure of their “plan” be known that soon?

    The Dems are currently tied with the Republicans for members. Harris’s VP tie breaker is their only claim to control the Senate. Manchin becomes an Independent, no longer caucusing and voting with them, and no party can muster a majority vote in the Senate. This has happened before, and the results were that very little business could be accomplished in the Senate.

    Um, be still my heart. 

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  24. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    John Kerry made his money the real old fashioned way

    He married into money, (Teresa Heinz Kerry) who also married into money (John Heinz) who inherited his fortune (HJ Heinz heir)

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  25. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Even most Democrats do not believe that the Inflation Reduction Act will do any such thing.

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  26. Old Bathos Moderator
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    Bill Gates is still ignorant of how government works.  Way back when, Microsoft had no lobbyists.  Why bother?  They were the good guys, unlike impure corporate interests in conflict with the public interest.  And then the antitrust actions began and congressional committees asked questions and now Microsoft has a big government affairs shop.

    Bill Gates then retired moved into NGO-world in which some of the slickest operators in the world tell rich guys and government ministers what they want to hear in exchange for huge fees and grandiose meeting events.  He now regards himself as a wonk.  Even with virtually unlimited information resources, his grasp of the COVID issue was pathetic. 

    Climate change offers enormous opportunities for self-congratulations and the predictions are always just far enough out that everybody forgets they were wrong.  It is also ripe for mandates, controls, centralized control of resources which is heady stuff for people used to having their butt-kissed and judgment praised.

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  27. Miffed White Male Member
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    John Kerry made his money the real old fashioned way

    He married into money, (Teresa Heinz Kerry) who also married into money (John Heinz) who inherited his fortune (HJ Heinz heir)

    My brother always said, you can marry more money in a day than you can earn in a lifetime. 

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  28. kedavis Inactive
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    John Kerry made his money the real old fashioned way

    He married into money, (Teresa Heinz Kerry) who also married into money (John Heinz) who inherited his fortune (HJ Heinz heir)

    Wasn’t his first wife rich too?  Not as rich as Teresa, but rich enough so he could afford nice clothes and stuff to then woo her.

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  29. JAW3 Coolidge
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    Steve Jobs’ wife is a crazy as well as Bezos’ ex so add them to your list.  And I stand by Rush Limbaugh’s truism that the social and governing structures have been “Chickified”.  I think Lauren Jobs is just as crazy and dangerous as Soros but not on any radar, yet.  IMO.

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