Liz Cheney is the Real Threat to our Republic

 

I write in response to a post today by Gary Robbins, “The Great Task”: Liz Cheney’s Closing Campaign Ad.  I think that I have something to say about this that should be addressed in a post, not a comment.  I hope you won’t mind.

In the comments to his post, Gary challenged us to take the time to listen to this 141 second campaign ad.  Gary, my friend, I did so.  I am actually appalled by what Cheney said.  Here is the full text of her comments (from this transcription at Cheney’s campaign website).  The highlights are mine:

As Election Day nears, I want to talk to citizens across our great state and all across our country.

America cannot remain free if we abandon the truth. The lie that 2020 presidential election was stolen is insidious. It preys on those who love their country. It is a door Donald Trump opened to manipulate Americans to abandon their principles, to sacrifice their freedom, to justify violence, to ignore the rulings of our courts and the rule of law.

This is Donald Trump’s legacy, but it cannot be the future of our nation. History has shown us over and over again how these types of poisonous lies destroy free nations

Like many candidates across this country, my opponents in Wyoming have said that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen. No one who understands our nation’s laws, no one with an honest, honorable, genuine commitment to our Constitution would say that. It is a cancer that threatens our great Republic.

If we do not condemn these lies, if we do not hold those responsible to account, we will be excusing this conduct and it will become a feature of all elections. America will never be the same. 

Nothing in our public life is more important than the preservation of the miracle given to us by God and our Founding Fathers. Nothing. 

Here’s my pledge to you: I will work everyday to ensure that our exceptional nation long endures. My children and your children must grow up in an America where we have honorable and peaceful transitions of power. Not violent confrontations, intimidation, and thuggery. Where we are governed by laws and not by men. Where we are led by people who love this country more than themselves.

No matter how long we must fight, this is a battle we will win. Millions of Americans across our nation – Republicans, Democrats, Independents – stand united in the cause of freedom. We are stronger, more dedicated, and more determined than those trying to destroy our Republic. 

This is our great task and we will prevail. I hope you will join me in this fight.

I don’t think that the claim that the 2020 election was “rigged” or “stolen” is a lie.  It is a difference of opinion.  I’ve looked into this issue in some detail, as have others.  Our own Mark Boone (@saintaugustine) has done several detailed posts on the issue.  I did some myself, digging into details from the county-by-county votes in Pennsylvania to legal analyses of some of the many court cases.   Vince Guerra has provided helpful links.  Mollie Hemingway wrote a book on the subject, and Dinesh D’Souza made a movie.  (I do have to confess that I haven’t yet read the book or seen the movie, but I’ve seen summaries.)

At the moment, my conclusion is that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen.  I don’t accept all of the allegations.  My own impression is that the claims regarding voting machines haven’t been proven, and the claims of massive ballot-box stuffing haven’t been proven, at least in my view.  My own impression is that other claims, relating to illegal votes in a variety of ways such as the use of drop boxes, ignoring address requirements, some votes by people who died or lived out of state or had moved in-state, are sufficient to call the overall result into question.  I think that reasonable people may disagree with me about either of these conclusions — some may be convinced of wrongful conduct when I am not yet convinced, and some may not be convinced of other irregularities when I am.

I look at what Cheney said about me:  “Like many candidates across this country, my opponents in Wyoming have said that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen. No one who understands our nation’s laws, no one with an honest, honorable, genuine commitment to our Constitution would say that.”

So, according to Cheney, I don’t understand our nation’s laws, and I don’t have an honest, honorable, genuine commitment to our Constitution.”  Well, I think that I do have such an understanding and commitment.  How am I to respond?

Cheney is the one demonizing everyone who disagrees with her.  I do think that, sometimes, this is appropriate.  I don’t mind someone demonizing a person who supports, say, child rape and cannibalism.  But this is a disagreement about facts, relating to an election, and I don’t think that the facts are clear at all.  I think that reasonable people can disagree about the 2020 election.

The claim that Cheney makes — and Gary makes — and the Left-wing media and the Never Trumpers have made, from the start — is that Trump’s claims about election irregularities are a “lie.”  I don’t think that it is a a lie.  Trump may be mistaken, or he may not.

I am troubled by Cheney’s comment that this so-called “lie” has led people to “justify violence” and “ignore the rulings of our courts.”  Perhaps a few people have argued that violence was justified, but I never have, and I don’t recall such a reaction among any substantial number of people.  I immediately condemned both the violence of the January 6 riot, and the hysterical overreaction of those calling it an “insurrection” and calling for another impeachment of President Trump.

The part about “the rulings of our courts” strikes me as quite careless.  This has been a Left-wing and NeverTrump narrative from very shortly after the election — that all of the court cases were decided against Trump’s allegations.  There are a bewildering number of such cases, and as far as I’ve seen, none of them reached an adjudication on the merits.  Some were dismissed on technical grounds such as standing or laches.  Some, as I recall, were dismissed as moot when the court didn’t act before the relevant deadline (such as certification of a state’s electoral votes).

Cheney’s argument gives a false impression that Trump’s allegations were carefully considered, evaluated on the merits, and rejected by the courts.  I don’t think that this is true.  We do have a structural problem relating to such challenges, as there appears to be insufficient time between Election Day and Inauguration Day to complete such adjudication.

It is Cheney’s final line that bothers me the most.  She said: “We are stronger, more dedicated, and more determined than those trying to destroy our Republic.”  I infer that she counts me among those who are supposedly trying to destroy our Republic.

This is why I find Cheney to be the real threat to our Republic.  When a genuine disagreement about a close election is dismissed as a “lie,” and everyone who disagrees with that conclusion is condemned as something like a traitor trying to “destroy our Republic,” I think that we have a big problem. 

Part of this problem is named Liz Cheney, in my view.

I think that this goes for all of those who agree with her.  This seems to include just about all of the Democrats, and a number of NeverTrump Republicans.  If you’re in this group, I hope that you will reconsider.  You don’t have to agree with Trump, or me, or Mollie, or anyone else.  You just have to agree that reasonable minds can differ on this issue.

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  1. Django Member
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    Clavius (View Comment):

    Yes, we must be able to disagree without being cast as liars or deniers.

    You are overly generous, Clavius, but a small part of me still admires that.  

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  2. Clavius Thatcher
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    Django (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Yes, we must be able to disagree without being cast as liars or deniers.

    You are overly generous, Clavius, but a small part of me still admires that.

    I suppose that you are right.

    But what is it about Trump that makes them irrational?

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  3. TBA Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    You know what’s a bigger threat to the republic than skepticism about the outcome of an election? Hereditary political power.

    The left must be exhausted after scraping all those ‘Question Authority’ bumper stickers off of their Volvos. 

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  4. Bishop Wash Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    You know what’s a bigger threat to the republic than skepticism about the outcome of an election? Hereditary political power.

    The left must be exhausted after scraping all those ‘Question Authority’ bumper stickers off of their Volvos.

    Some could be lazy and not bother. Once I was behind a car with a RESIST and Biden sticker. Too lazy or stupid to scrape off the resist one after his guy was installed. 

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  5. navyjag Coolidge
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    Clavius (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Yes, we must be able to disagree without being cast as liars or deniers.

    You are overly generous, Clavius, but a small part of me still admires that.

    I suppose that you are right.

    But what is it about Trump that makes them irrational?

    He is from New  York. And made money on real estate. Instead of “Big Guy” bribes in China, Russian and the Ukraine.  And fights back to MSM b.s. 

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Clavius (View Comment):

    Yes, we must be able to disagree without being cast as liars or deniers.

    Doesn’t that necessarily depend in part on HOW someone disagrees?  (And maybe why.)

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Yay, it’s back up to over 2 to 1!

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  8. RyanFalcone Member
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I’m sure that the Lincoln Project is preparing a place down in the sewer for Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. They all belong there.

    Doubtful. Not many underage boys in sewers.

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    The threat has been eliminated Sir!

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/hageman-defeats-cheney-wyoming-primary

    Nohaaj, thanks for the link. I read it, and it includes something that I find very troubling about Rep. Cheney.

    The Blaze story includes a tweet from Rep. Dean Phillips (D-MN), which states in pertinent part:

    After escaping the Capitol on Jan. 6, a few of us huddled in a safe room, glued to a tv in disbelief. It was there that @ Liz_Cheney vowed to hold those responsible to account.

    Do you see a problem with this? I will assume that Rep. Phillips is telling the truth about this.

    If a crime is committed, whose job is it to “hold those responsible to account,” under our laws and our Constitution?

    Arguably, maybe, this is the job of a prosecutor, who is an executive official. The prosecutor may zealously present a case, within the bounds of legal ethics. He may not withhold evidence, and may not bring a case that is not supported by the evidence.

    It is not the judge’s job to hold anyone to account. The job of the judge is to fairly and impartially conduct the trial, to rule on the admissibility of evidence in accordance with the law and court rules, and to properly instruct the jury about the applicable law.

    It is not exactly the jury’s job to hold anyone to account, either, though this may be the result. The job of the jury is to fairly and impartially assess the evidence, and to decide the case in accordance with the law as provided in the judge’s instructions. If the evidence proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, then it is the duty of the jury to convict. If not, it is the duty of the jury to acquit. This is how our system of justice works. It’s not that complicated, is it?

    So, what is the role of a member of Congress in this process?

    Nothing. Zero, zip, nada. It is not the role of a Congressman to “hold those responsible to account.” Though, if Rep. Phillips is telling the truth in his tweet, Rep. Cheney thinks that this is her role.

    To quote Rep. Cheney back at herself: “No one who understands our nation’s laws, no one with an honest, honorable, genuine commitment to our Constitution would say that.”

    It does get worse, doesn’t it? Because in this case, Rep. Cheney is a victim of the alleged crime about which she apparently wants to act as prosecutor, judge, and jury.

    This does explain her willingness to participate in the “kangaroo court” of the January 6 Committee. She either doesn’t understand our system of justice, or doesn’t care, and doesn’t even understand the need for an impartial prosecutor, judge, and jury.

    This seems, to me, to be another reason that Rep. Cheney is a threat to our Republic.

    She’s not alone in this although most of the others are Democrats. But Cheney is the most blatantly outspoken about it.

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  10. TBA Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    I hope Gary has his sack-cloth and ashes ready.

    Denial springs eternal. 

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I’m sure that the Lincoln Project is preparing a place down in the sewer for Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. They all belong there.

    Doubtful. Not many underage boys in sewers.

    But they bring the boys down with them…

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  12. TBA Coolidge
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I’m sure that the Lincoln Project is preparing a place down in the sewer for Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. They all belong there.

    Doubtful. Not many underage boys in sewers.

    There’s probably some kind of delivery service. 

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  13. Django Member
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    Clavius (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Yes, we must be able to disagree without being cast as liars or deniers.

    You are overly generous, Clavius, but a small part of me still admires that.

    I suppose that you are right.

    But what is it about Trump that makes them irrational?

    I can only extrapolate from personal experience. I was hired into a defense firm in 1985. I saw the downsizing that occurred in the 1990s. I also saw that we had no “adversity quarterbacks” in management. They had no idea how to function in the new environment. The reaction among management was panic. An NPR program called “Market Place” nailed it. My fingers are tired, so I won’t go into details unless someone insists. Trump was the manifestation of the new environment. 

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  14. Barfly Member
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    navyjag (View Comment):

    Guess there are less D’s in Wyoming than bison.

    But Teton Co. is home to a notable herd of rino.

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  15. Barfly Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I hope Gary has his sack-cloth and ashes ready.

    Denial springs eternal.

    Send him to Egypt? I don’t know.

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  16. Mad Gerald Coolidge
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    Remember when Liz Cheney denounced that lie that the Russians rigged the 2016 election in Trump’s favor?

    Neither do I.

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  17. namlliT noD Member
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    @DonTillman

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  18. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    Thank you for expressing the case against Liz Cheney so thoughtfully.  I just listened to her concession speech and it caused me to come over to my computer to write up something to the effect that there is a whole lot of room between “Trump believes the election was stolen” and “I am going to go full turncoat”.  You may disagree with the leader of your party, but to actively work to deliver us into the hands of Biden and his ilk is unforgivable.  She could have expressed her disapproval of Trump.  She could have said that she would like to see investigations into the election results to ensure the future integrity of elections, but that she believed it was best for the country to move on.  She could have said that she was deeply shaken by what happened on January 6th and welcomed a true bipartisan effort to investigate what happened, particularly interviewing the participants to find out why so many were convinced that the election was not legitimate.   She could have indicated her lack of support for Trump’s positions in any number of ways.  She could have urged the party to nominate someone other than Trump for 2024.  Many might have been angry with her for more moderate views, but they fall within the range of understandable reactions to that dark period.  

    Traitors rarely prosper.   Liz Cheney was rightly defeated, not because she disagreed with Trump’s views of the election, but because she made it all about her and thought not at all of the damage she was doing to all of us.  She’ll continue to grow her millions and get a gig on the View or some other schlock show.  

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  19. namlliT noD Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Yay, it’s back up to over 2 to 1!

    Now it’s 2-1/4 to 1.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  20. namlliT noD Member
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Yay, it’s back up to over 2 to 1!

    Now it’s 2-1/4 to 1.

    2.3 to 1.

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  21. RufusRJones Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, what is the role of a member of Congress in this process?  

    Nothing.  Zero, zip, nada.  It is not the role of a Congressman to “hold those responsible to account.”  Though, if Rep. Phillips is telling the truth in his tweet, Rep. Cheney thinks that this is her role.

    To quote Rep. Cheney back at herself: “No one who understands our nation’s laws, no one with an honest, honorable, genuine commitment to our Constitution would say that.”

    It does get worse, doesn’t it?  Because in this case, Rep. Cheney is a victim of the alleged crime about which she apparently wants to act as prosecutor, judge, and jury.

    This does explain her willingness to participate in the “kangaroo court” of the January 6 Committee.  She either doesn’t understand our system of justice, or doesn’t care, and doesn’t even understand the need for an impartial prosecutor, judge, and jury.

    This seems, to me, to be another reason that Rep. Cheney is a threat to our Republic.

    The ignorance of civics helps the left and is very bad for the country. 

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  22. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    I wish the people running this Twitter were the ones in office.

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  23. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Yes and the fact that she was in charge of the hearings is even more disturbing.  I’m glad she’s out.

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  24. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):
    You may disagree with the leader of your party, but to actively work to deliver us into the hands of Biden and his ilk is unforgivable.

    This means you, Gary.

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  25. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Clavius (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Yes, we must be able to disagree without being cast as liars or deniers.

    You are overly generous, Clavius, but a small part of me still admires that.

    I suppose that you are right.

    But what is it about Trump that makes them irrational?

    He is rude. He is rude in such a manner that his rudeness matters more to people than the results of his policies. People are often designed to be upset about unimportant things. 

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  26. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Yes, we must be able to disagree without being cast as liars or deniers.

    You are overly generous, Clavius, but a small part of me still admires that.

    I suppose that you are right.

    But what is it about Trump that makes them irrational?

    He is rude. He is rude in such a manner that his rudeness matters more to people than the results of his policies. People are often designed to be upset about unimportant things.

    Nah, it’s got to be something more than that. Democrats aren’t just rude, but obscene. So it’s not rudeness.

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  27. Barfly Member
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    Ok, so we dropped a house on Cheney. Dealing with Murkowski may require that we make the long trek to Oz.

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  28. She Member
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    I see that Liz Cheney, having been roundly thumped by someone I know nothing about, is forming a new “anti-Trump group” (no comment) and “thinking about a White House bid.

    “We’ve to get this party back to the principles and values on which it was founded,” Cheney said in an interview with NBC’s “Today Show” Wednesday morning, claiming that it has lost its way in focusing too much on Trump and his “cult of personality.”

    I wonder when it will occur to obsessive-compulsive fanatics like Liz Cheney that–aside from a few nutjobs on the Right (and there are some)–those who are “focusing too much on Trump and his ‘cult of personality'” are people like herself. The rest of us are quite willing to call out Trump’s mendacity and regular outbursts of boorishness and narcissism, put them in context with everything else that goes on, and get on with our lives.  

    The people who’ve allowed Trump to affect them to the extent that he has lived rent-free inside their heads for the past six years, and who’ve put their own lives–and in many cases those of their constituents and others in their lives–on hold to indulge their whims aren’t the vast majority of his supporters, which–almost exclusively–consist of regular people who just want the government to work for them and to be able to go about their lives affordably and freely.  They’re people like Liz Cheney and Those Of That Ilk, who make public nuisances of themselves and who behave like rabid dogs with a bone, growling and worrying it, unable to shut up or leave it alone.

    Liz, you think we’re “focusing too  much on Trump?”

    I agree.

    If you’d like that to change, please (t0 borrow a phrase from my childhood), just “shut yer gob.”

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    She (View Comment):
    I see that Liz Cheney, having been roundly thumped by someone I know nothing about, is forming a new “anti-Trump group”

    The market for that seems oversaturated at the moment.

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  30. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Clavius (View Comment):
    But what is it about Trump that makes them irrational?

    You just think they are irrational, because you are trying to apply your morals and principles.
    When you switch to a paradigm where the only principles are power and vanity, then the words and actions are rational.  Vice is virtue.

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