The Transgender Transmogrification of Everything, Including the Past

 

If I had a dollar for every article I’ve seen lately about the eye-popping excesses of transgender ideology, I could comfortably retire right now, even in this time of runaway, Biden-caused inflation.  I mean, really, just peruse the headlines on a conservative news website – come to think of it, include left-wing sites as well because they’re proud of what’s being done – and you will see things you simply can’t believe, particularly as it pertains to children.  It’s as if the powers-that-be are demonically possessed with the desire to surgically and chemically alter as many innocent children as they can get in their grasp while calling it “gender-affirming” healthcare.

Neither George Orwell nor any other great writer of dystopian literature could have ever dreamed up what has now become an actual reality.  I’ve said it before and it bears repeating:  There’s never been anything like this in the history of the world and it is pure evil on an unprecedented scale given that virtually every institution in the country is promoting it. 

I can’t help but laughingly remember an article I posted a mere five years ago commenting on the then-current excesses of the alphabet people and warning about the future.  A fellow Ricochet member basically told me I was a bigot, I was out of my mind, and laughed at the idea that they posed any threat to civilization. 

Holy crap!  I wonder what that guy is saying now.  Or is he still clueless?  As they say, “There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.” 

In any case, in the intervening five years we have been completely given over to trans madness in what is left of a formerly great country and civilization.  Every single institution, including many (former) churches, has signed on to this lunacy.  They are literally trying to overthrow God’s created order of male and female – and not just in the here and now, but the entirety of humanity’s past as well.  They’re not going to be happy until Genesis gets rewritten such that Adam and Eve are renamed, what, Adam and Steve?  No, it’s even worse than that.  It could be a couple of trans freakazoids named Peyton and Riley who bravely rebelled against a transphobic god and then created their own secular Marxist alphabet paradise. 

Okay, calm down, you may be saying.  What do you mean by “the entirety of humanity’s past?” 

Well, let’s start with a recent headline:  “Gender activists push to bar anthropologists from identifying human remains as ‘male’ or ‘female.’” 

Huh?  When trans lunacy is unrestrained, this is one of the places it goes.  So, let’s say you are an anthropologist or archaeologist and you dig up some 9,000-year-old human bones.  One of the things you will typically do is identify the age, race, and sex of the remains.  But guess what?  In today’s brave new world of gender fluidity and the toppling of all normalcy and reality, if you try and slap a “male” or “female” label on those bones . . .  Well, the woke mob is coming after your transphobic ass. 

Look, we already knew that much of the American medical establishment, to its eternal shame and damnation, is totally on board with the trans madness even though it defies biological science.  So now that science has been this blatantly corrupted, anything goes, and that apparently includes the propagandizing and manipulation of all aspects of our human past.  Thus, archaeology and anthropology, two of the last sciences anyone would have ever expected, have now been infected by the “woke mind virus” (as Elon Musk so appropriately deemed it). 

So, here’s the new woke archaeology according to one of its practitioners:  “My trans+non-binary friends: you might know the argument that the archaeologists who find your bones one day will assign you the same gender as you had at birth . . .  Let me tell you why that’s bull.” 

Yes, yes, please tell us why!  Oh, I see.  It’s because we just don’t know what that ancient person might have identified as.  Well sure, of course, because transgenderism was a really big thing thousands of years ago because life was so easy and leisurely that people could sit around and contemplate their gender and their gender roles just like they do now in our ivory tower universities. 

This is all based on the insanely wishful thinking of alphabetters that every set of bones dug up represents another potential trans person because they believe that trannies are everywhere, literally coming out of the woodwork (not to mention, now, the graves) and always have been, and only now through the contemporary trans movement are they all being gloriously liberated, even posthumously. 

Another woke professor informs us that the male-female “duality,” as she calls it, is a concept that was “imposed by Christian colonizers.” 

Is there nothing these deranged creatures won’t say?  So, we are to believe that before the “Christian colonizers” came to the Americas, all the primitive tribes, from the arctic wastes of the north all the way down to Tierra del Fuego in the south, were happily practicing transgenderism because they didn’t recognize hard and fast gender roles based on biological sex.  And then along came “Christian colonizers” who imposed that oppressive “duality” on them.  Sure, that’s reasonable! 

Ladies and gentlemen, all sarcasm aside, we have a serious problem.  These lunatics are everywhere.  They have infiltrated every walk of life, every institution, every college campus, every corporation, every government entity, every branch of the military, every field of study, every scientific discipline, and many churches.  This insane decadent depravity cannot continue indefinitely without civilizational collapse.  Do you understand? 

You cannot have all science and medicine, along with everything else, corrupted by crazed narcissistic freaks and expect things to just continue as always.  You cannot promote the crazed transgendering of our children without destroying societal stability.  And you certainly cannot put your trust in people who would literally cut off your children’s genitals and call it “gender-affirming” healthcare. 

In short, you cannot destroy all that is normal, right, beautiful and good and expect what we see nowadays on so many vacuous yard signs: “Everything will be okay.” 

Like hell, it will. 

Trans ideology was likely hatched in the halls of academia, most of which have morphed into a kind of twilight zone that is impervious to any reality that is considered unpleasant, inconvenient, or unjust.  It has subsequently turned into a bizarre social contagion that is being very deliberately pushed on children who otherwise never would have thought of any of this garbage in a million years.  In reality, our children are not all closeted trannies waiting to be liberated, but that’s what these gender maniacs seem to believe.  And they seem to be in charge of virtually everything these days and appear hell-bent on imposing depravity not only on all of us, but upon everyone who has ever lived. 

Well, they’re nothing if not ambitious!   

So where does this end?  Will it eventually just burn itself out simply because it’s so crazy and unsustainable?  Maybe, but that might not occur until after an entire generation of young people has been essentially ruined.  If enough young people become self-obsessed, gender-confused knuckleheads, the last thing they’re going to be doing is forming stable relationships and families. Without that, society will crumble due to the resultant psychological and social pathology that will occur on a scale never before seen. 

And with transhumanism waiting in the wings, you will likely soon see people transforming themselves into bizarre creatures the likes of which you couldn’t even imagine. 

Future historians, archaeologists, scientists, doctors – hell, pretty much everybody – will look back on all of this with about as much favorability as we currently have of alchemy, leeching, and witch burning.  But for now, the lunatics are running the asylum and what makes them all the more destructive is they are convinced that they are the most enlightened and compassionate people who have ever lived.  That being the case, they can’t be rationally debated or talked out of this.  

The only way to stop this crazy evil movement is for the rest of us to mercilessly crush it.  That means relentlessly exposing it, shining a light on it, mocking it, and saying no, hell no, no way, no how.  Otherwise, if the trans transgressors have their way with our children and young adults, we’re finished. 

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  1. Bob Thompson Member
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    Same comment I put on the recent post by @oldbathos:

    We are in the grip of post-modernism denying the validity and thus the deployment of the logic underlying the very development of our western civilization. That’s why we daily get a serving of meaningless word salad by those in our highest leadership positions. The word science no longer is used to mean what science truly is. Real science, the Karl Popper version, is how we solve perceived problems like climate change, energy resources, and population growth.  The linguistic gymnastics never end. If we can’t turn it around in these next two election cycles we face a collapse of our civilization by continuing on this path set by the progressively insane Left. They throw away all that we have learned.

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  2. Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. Coolidge
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    Just yesterday I was reading an article about Dave Davies, brother of Ray Davies and one of the principal members of The Kinks. At one point the writer of the article said something about how the classic song “Lola” would not fly today (probably true, given the prevailing lunacy); according to this writer, the title character of the song was “a trans woman.”

    Uh … no. The title character of “Lola” was a female impersonator. A transvestite. A drag queen. Choose your preferred term; but in 1970 there was no such thing as a “trans woman.” (There’s no such thing today either, but my point is that in 1970 nobody even pretended there was such a thing.)

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  3. GrannyDude Member
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    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. (View Comment):

    Just yesterday I was reading an article about Dave Davies, brother of Ray Davies and one of the principal members of The Kinks. At one point the writer of the article said something about how the classic song “Lola” would not fly today (probably true, given the prevailing lunacy); according to this writer, the title character of the song was “a trans woman.”

    Uh … no. The title character of “Lola” was a female impersonator. A transvestite. A drag queen. Choose your preferred term; but in 1970 there was no such thing as a “trans woman.” (There’s no such thing today either, but my point is that in 1970 nobody even pretended there was such a thing.)

    Well…there was Renee Richard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards

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  4. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    Greg Strange: Ladies and gentlemen, all sarcasm aside, we have a serious problem.  These lunatics are everywhere.  They have infiltrated every walk of life, every institution, every college campus, every corporation, every government entity, every branch of the military, every field of study, every scientific discipline and many churches.  This insane decadent depravity cannot continue indefinitely without civilizational collapse.  Do you understand? 

    And they won’t like it very much when civilization does collapse and there is no more polite society to go along with their delusions.  

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  5. GrannyDude Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    We are in the grip of post-modernism denying the validity and thus the deployment of the logic underlying the very development of our western civilization. That’s why we daily get a serving of meaningless word salad by those in our highest leadership positions. The word science no longer is used to mean what science truly is. Real science, the Karl Popper version, is how we solve perceived problems like climate change, energy resources, and population growth.  The linguistic gymnastics never end. If we can’t turn it around in these next two election cycles we face a collapse of our civilization by continuing on this path set by the progressively insane Left. They throw away all that we have learned.

    This. 

     

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  6. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. (View Comment):

    Just yesterday I was reading an article about Dave Davies, brother of Ray Davies and one of the principal members of The Kinks. At one point the writer of the article said something about how the classic song “Lola” would not fly today (probably true, given the prevailing lunacy); according to this writer, the title character of the song was “a trans woman.”

    Uh … no. The title character of “Lola” was a female impersonator. A transvestite. A drag queen. Choose your preferred term; but in 1970 there was no such thing as a “trans woman.” (There’s no such thing today either, but my point is that in 1970 nobody even pretended there was such a thing.)

    Well…there was Renee Richard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards

    Yeah, and I don’t think I’ll ever forget Johnny Carson’s casual remark that Renee Richards had written a new book called Tennis Without Balls.  His audience went wild with laughter.

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  7. Flicker Coolidge
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    Greg, how, if at all, does what you describe differ from this?

    For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. — Rom 1:26-32

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  8. Stina Member
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. (View Comment):

    Just yesterday I was reading an article about Dave Davies, brother of Ray Davies and one of the principal members of The Kinks. At one point the writer of the article said something about how the classic song “Lola” would not fly today (probably true, given the prevailing lunacy); according to this writer, the title character of the song was “a trans woman.”

    Uh … no. The title character of “Lola” was a female impersonator. A transvestite. A drag queen. Choose your preferred term; but in 1970 there was no such thing as a “trans woman.” (There’s no such thing today either, but my point is that in 1970 nobody even pretended there was such a thing.)

    Well…there was Renee Richard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards

    Society can handle a very small number of misfits, and societal intolerance keeps it at a small number. This tolerance we are dealing with now is fomenting civilizational collapse. 

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  9. Greg Strange Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Greg, how, if at all, does what you describe differ from this?

    For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. — Rom 1:26-32

    I think Romans 1 nails it pretty well.  Isaiah 5:20 also comes to mind:  “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness . . .”

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. (View Comment):

    Just yesterday I was reading an article about Dave Davies, brother of Ray Davies and one of the principal members of The Kinks. At one point the writer of the article said something about how the classic song “Lola” would not fly today (probably true, given the prevailing lunacy); according to this writer, the title character of the song was “a trans woman.”

    Uh … no. The title character of “Lola” was a female impersonator. A transvestite. A drag queen. Choose your preferred term; but in 1970 there was no such thing as a “trans woman.” (There’s no such thing today either, but my point is that in 1970 nobody even pretended there was such a thing.)

    Well…there was Renee Richard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards

    Society can handle a very small number of misfits, and societal intolerance keeps it at a small number. This tolerance we are dealing with now is fomenting civilizational collapse.

    Unlimited tolerance will cause collapse.

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. (View Comment):

    Just yesterday I was reading an article about Dave Davies, brother of Ray Davies and one of the principal members of The Kinks. At one point the writer of the article said something about how the classic song “Lola” would not fly today (probably true, given the prevailing lunacy); according to this writer, the title character of the song was “a trans woman.”

    Uh … no. The title character of “Lola” was a female impersonator. A transvestite. A drag queen. Choose your preferred term; but in 1970 there was no such thing as a “trans woman.” (There’s no such thing today either, but my point is that in 1970 nobody even pretended there was such a thing.)

    Well…there was Renee Richard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards

    Society can handle a very small number of misfits, and societal intolerance keeps it at a small number. This tolerance we are dealing with now is fomenting civilizational collapse.

    I had a comment on another thread where I mentioned not understanding why big tech had had helped rig the 2020 election. Their censorship of the intolerance  of the behaviors being discussed here was/is also difficult to understand. We have always accepted that those at these high levels of society know how to think about why these intolerances exist, but we have not taught these generations why all individuals need to be able to think for themselves.

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  12. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. (View Comment):

    Just yesterday I was reading an article about Dave Davies, brother of Ray Davies and one of the principal members of The Kinks. At one point the writer of the article said something about how the classic song “Lola” would not fly today (probably true, given the prevailing lunacy); according to this writer, the title character of the song was “a trans woman.”

    Uh … no. The title character of “Lola” was a female impersonator. A transvestite. A drag queen. Choose your preferred term; but in 1970 there was no such thing as a “trans woman.” (There’s no such thing today either, but my point is that in 1970 nobody even pretended there was such a thing.)

    I may not be current with the terminology, but I think that a transvestite counts as “trans.”  As I understand it, “trans” is a broad category, including people who want to appear and act like the opposite sex in a variety of ways, from the extreme case of castration to less extreme cases like clothing or grooming.

    I do know that the categories proliferate in the alphabet soup of this absurd and perverted ideology, so there are people claiming to be things like “gender nonconforming” and “nonbinary” and on and on.

    It often seems, to me, like rather pitiful people seeking attention, much like the apparent motivation for tattoos, piercings, and bizarre hair.

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  13. Flicker Coolidge
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    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. (View Comment):

    Just yesterday I was reading an article about Dave Davies, brother of Ray Davies and one of the principal members of The Kinks. At one point the writer of the article said something about how the classic song “Lola” would not fly today (probably true, given the prevailing lunacy); according to this writer, the title character of the song was “a trans woman.”

    Uh … no. The title character of “Lola” was a female impersonator. A transvestite. A drag queen. Choose your preferred term; but in 1970 there was no such thing as a “trans woman.” (There’s no such thing today either, but my point is that in 1970 nobody even pretended there was such a thing.)

    Well, actually in the early 80’s I knew a woman who had had elective surgery to fully look like a man back on the 60s.  She still didn’t look like a man.  She was tall and ungainly and wore pants and men’s shoes, but she was “androgenous” at best.  We didn’t have the term “trans”-anything back then but she was surgically altered.

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  14. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Please read the following story from Rd Dreher on the Trans Movement that came out 4 days ago:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trans-totalitarianism-time-for-moral-panic/

     

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  15. Doctor Robert Member
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    Every and any learned field can and should simply ignore the trannies.  They are all mentally ill and deserve our compassion.  But one does not let the mentally ill define society’s response to their illness.

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  16. Greg Strange Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Every and any learned field can and should simply ignore the trannies. They are all mentally ill and deserve our compassion. But one does not let the mentally ill define society’s response to their illness.

    Certainly the tiny, tiny percentage of people who are actually trans are mentally ill.  But through the promotion of this ideology, particularly to children, they are literally manufacturing new trannies where they don’t really exist. They plant the idea in the heads of children who then just go along with it because they don’t know any better and it sounds good at the time.  In other words, they’re not really transgenders and therefore they are not really mentally ill – they’ve just been brainwashed.  And to do this on a massive scale, where every institution is onboard with it, is truly evil.

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  17. Bob Thompson Member
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    Greg Strange (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Every and any learned field can and should simply ignore the trannies. They are all mentally ill and deserve our compassion. But one does not let the mentally ill define society’s response to their illness.

    Certainly the tiny, tiny percentage of people who are actually trans are mentally ill. But through the promotion of this ideology, particularly to children, they are literally manufacturing new trannies where they don’t really exist. They plant the idea in the heads of children who then just go along with it because they don’t know any better and it sounds good at the time. In other words, they’re not really transgenders and therefore they are not really mentally ill – they’ve just been brainwashed. And to do this on a massive scale, where every institution is onboard with it, is truly evil.

    So not mentally ill but mentally deficient which includes most of those not going trans as well. This is what we are getting from our public education system and now it likely dominates the private systems as well.

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  18. GrannyDude Member
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    Stina (View Comment):
    Society can handle a very small number of misfits, and societal intolerance keeps it at a small number. This tolerance we are dealing with now is fomenting civilizational collapse.

    Stina—I think you’re onto something here.

    I’ve found it interesting to note the places in my reading of between-the-wars British mysteries in which homosexuality is touched upon. You can find instances in Dorothy Sayers and in several of Ngaio Marsh’s novels.  In Sayers’ An Unnatural Death it is very clear that the victim of a murder—an elderly woman—had spent her life as we would call a lesbian. This included a long term relationship with another woman. The eccentric old ladies are regarded, by Lord Peter Wimsey, by the community members who remember them, and presumably by Sayers herself,  with affectionate…tolerance.

    “She was an odd old bird…but an excellent horsewoman!” That sort of thing.

    Any of us could be grateful for a culture that encourages tolerance (and who among us doesn’t feel in need of it, at least occasionally?) assuming that the eccentricity to be tolerated is not accompanied by all the other malevolent qualities Flickr quotes from the list in Romans 1, qualities that would (or should) make anyone intolerable.

      The lesbians described (and, obviously, tolerated) by Dorothy Sayers did not cause pain to anyone else, were generally useful members of the wider community, and did not expect to be rewarded, affirmed, celebrated or even taken notice of.  Though they did not conform to the expectations regarding the behavior and life-patterns of women in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, they presumably weren’t untrustworthy, unloving, evil-minded,  envious, malicious, backbiting violent haters of God

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  19. Flicker Coolidge
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    Society can handle a very small number of misfits, and societal intolerance keeps it at a small number. This tolerance we are dealing with now is fomenting civilizational collapse.

    Stina—I think you’re onto something here.

    I’ve found it interesting to note the places in my reading of between-the-wars British mysteries in which homosexuality is touched upon. You can find instances in Dorothy Sayers and in several of Ngaio Marsh’s novels. In Sayers’ An Unnatural Death it is very clear that the victim of a murder—an elderly woman—had spent her life as we would call a lesbian. This included a long term relationship with another woman. The eccentric old ladies are regarded, by Lord Peter Wimsey, by the community members who remember them, and presumably by Sayers herself, with affectionate…tolerance.

    “She was an odd old bird…but an excellent horsewoman!” That sort of thing.

    Any of us could be grateful for a culture that encourages tolerance (and who among us doesn’t feel in need of it, at least occasionally?) assuming that the eccentricity to be tolerated question is not accompanied by all the other malevolent qualities Flickr quotes from the list in Romans 1, qualities that would (or should) make anyone intolerable.

    The lesbians described (and, obviously, tolerated) by Dorothy Sayers did not cause pain to anyone else, were generally useful members of the wider community, and did not expect to be rewarded, affirmed, celebrated or even taken notice of. Though they did not conform to the expectations regarding the behavior and life-patterns of women in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, they presumably weren’t untrustworthy, unloving, evil-minded, envious, malicious, backbiting violent haters of God.

    Yes, I noticed that in Sayers.  I think it’s not merely the tolerance of a inevitably occurring deviation from the norm that’s a problem.  It’s making it compulsory.  That’s the punchline of this joke by Bob Hope in back in 1975; “I’ve just flown in from California, where they’ve made homosexuality legal. I thought I’d better get out before they make it compulsory.” 

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  20. Django Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Greg, how, if at all, does what you describe differ from this?

    For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. — Rom 1:26-32

    A while back someone said that if God doesn’t drop some severe punishment on this nation soon, He owes a since apology to Sodom and Gomorrah. 

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  21. Flicker Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Greg, how, if at all, does what you describe differ from this?

    For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. — Rom 1:26-32

    A while back someone said that if God doesn’t drop some severe punishment on this nation soon, He owes a since apology to Sodom and Gomorrah.

    I believe that was Billy Graham.  It was also the final topic of conversation between a young German couple and my wife and me.  They were aghast when I said it.  It certainly stifled the dinner conversation.

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  22. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Greg, how, if at all, does what you describe differ from this?

    For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. — Rom 1:26-32

    A while back someone said that if God doesn’t drop some severe punishment on this nation soon, He owes a since apology to Sodom and Gomorrah.

    I believe that was Billy Graham. It was also the final topic of conversation between a young German couple and my wife and me. They were aghast when I said it. It certainly stifled the dinner conversation.

    Sounds like you said something that hit a bit close to home (their home, that is).

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  23. Flicker Coolidge
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    Greg, how, if at all, does what you describe differ from this?

    For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. — Rom 1:26-32

    A while back someone said that if God doesn’t drop some severe punishment on this nation soon, He owes a since apology to Sodom and Gomorrah.

    I believe that was Billy Graham. It was also the final topic of conversation between a young German couple and my wife and me. They were aghast when I said it. It certainly stifled the dinner conversation.

    Sounds like you said something that hit a bit close to home (their home, that is).

    Maybe you have something there.  I did mention some 50 or 60 million dead.  Beats the holocaust.

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  24. Django Member
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    Greg, how, if at all, does what you describe differ from this?

    For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. — Rom 1:26-32

    A while back someone said that if God doesn’t drop some severe punishment on this nation soon, He owes a since apology to Sodom and Gomorrah.

    I believe that was Billy Graham. It was also the final topic of conversation between a young German couple and my wife and me. They were aghast when I said it. It certainly stifled the dinner conversation.

    A Catholic friend of mine who is more than a “C & E Catholic” described something that happened recently. The priest addressed an issue saying that Church teaching has not changed and that homosexual marriages would not now or ever be recognized. Some woman began crying and got up to leave. The Church stood by its teachings, and she had the honesty and courage to leave. Good for both. Beats that pervert in S. F. who is suggesting the Church should be sued because it doesn’t “represent San Francisco values.” (or so KCBS reported)

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  25. I Walton Member
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    Do we have any explanations?    Human society has always produced great variations of physical and psychological behaviors or natures and I suppose as Rome declined (and probably other places I’ve read less about) sexual excess including a great variety of perversions spread and was even celebrated at the top where people had great leisure, wealth and boredom.  Those who celebrate gay, or whatever it is that they celebrate, see this and say it’s natural and good.   It seems it was a natural state for some.  Was its spread and accepted because decay set in?  Why?  How much is symptom and decay and how much is cause of symptom and decay?  When gays acquire power do they want to destroy, just spread, or just seek acceptance.    All humans abuse power, or people who tend to abuse power are those who seek it.    Is it just that we’ve allowed power to accumulate and when gays get it, like others,  they tend to pervert it to their own tastes.  Is the problem the concentration of power?    Christianity provides a center, a norm which humans are asked to conform to which is easier for some than others, but without that center it all comes apart rather horribly doesn’t it.  Are there exceptions?  

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    Before I begin, I confess I have not read every word in this post.  That said, I highly recommend C. S. Lewis in his lectures published as The Abolition of Man.  He described the root cause of the travesty occurring all around us.  Looking back to what he wrote in the 1940’s, we can witness the truth of his prophesy played out in ways even he could not have imagined and he had a genius level imagination.  Please read it.  My take away is his argument that attempts to control nature always end up being some people controlling other people even enslaving other people.  

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  27. Django Member
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    Before I begin, I confess I have not read every word in this post. That said, I highly recommend C. S. Lewis in his lectures published as The Abolition of Man. He described the root cause of the travesty occurring all around us. Looking back to what he wrote in the 1940’s, we can witness the truth of his prophesy played out in ways even he could not have imagined and he had a genius level imagination. Please read it. My take away is his argument that attempts to control nature always end up being some people controlling other people even enslaving other people.

    Some time after publishing The Screwtape Letters, he wrote an essay called Screwtape Proposed a Toast. Short and to the point. Funny in a sick way that he may or may not have intended. 

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