Is Revenge Sweet?

 

After months, even years, of suffering the insidious, unlawful and deceitful actions of the Democrat party, with the enthusiastic assistance of our intelligence agencies to work right along with them, it makes sense that Republicans and Conservatives would like to exact revenge on those groups and make them pay dearly. If we could find a way to punish the media, we’d make sure they experienced the consequences of their lies and omissions, too.

Wanting to get revenge is part of the human condition. We want to punish those who willingly, even enthusiastically, have damaged the rule of law, have tarnished the reputation of the United States domestically and with the world. We want them to suffer, to feel what it’s like to be abused and deceived, because . . . well, because it would seem to re-balance the scales of justice.

And yet, seeking revenge also has its downsides, not only for those who are in our sights, but for ourselves.

Do we care about those limitations? For one, it lowers us to their despicable existence. In effect, we would be following the same immoral and irresponsible actions that have so angered and discouraged us. For another, it doesn’t change what has already happened. The damage that has been done can’t be repaired; in some ways, we have fallen into an abyss of decadence, lies, and disorder that can’t be reversed. Finally, nothing we do will change their mindset, their moral compass or their goals; they will continue to pursue their plans, regardless of how much we or they suffer. If nothing else, they may become more determined to further increase their power and limit ours.

But doesn’t it seem fair to strike back after what we have suffered? It’s significant to notice the way I’ve characterized our situation: we have suffered. When we see ourselves as suffering, we have transformed ourselves into victims of our times—the very kind of branding that we have held in such disdain and contempt.

But do we have other options to ensure that justice is done?

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When we look at the period following the November elections, we should contemplate how we will respond if we take over the majority of one or both houses. Many legislators and citizens have called for an abundance of hearings. We are entitled to know what has actually occurred over the last six years; why some people have been prosecuted and others have not; why some evidence has been identified and other evidence can’t be found. The Republicans could spend months, even years, looking into every nook and cranny to find out in several situations what actually took place. We are entitled to know the facts, to learn the truth of the swamp and the havoc that it has caused.

We are entitled.

There are a couple of dilemmas, however, that we could face in the fall. We have some critical questions that we must ask ourselves: (1) what do we hope to accomplish with endless hearings? (2) will we have cooperation from committees, departments and other legislators to provide the information we seek? (3) will we have the power to impose consequences for the illegal actions we uncover? There are likely many more questions we could ask, but these will get us started.

But there is an even more significant question we might ask ourselves: If we seek justice, must we not consider holding people accountable, rather than simply punishing them? In fact, isn’t it immoral to seek revenge, even if it’s one of the most natural human instincts to pursue? The key is not whether revenge should be sought, but who or what should seek it.

For those who follow the Bible, it says the following:

‘Revenge belongs to the Lord’ means that it is not our place as humans to retaliate and repay a wrongdoing with another wrongdoing. It is God’s place to make the situation right and it is Him who will bring justice to a hurtful circumstance.

‘The Lord is a God who avenges. O God who avenges, shine forth. Rise up, Judge of the earth; pay back to the proud what they deserve (Psalm 94:1-2)).

Do you believe in your heart that G-d will avenge the actions of the Left? Are you willing to allow justice to be enacted at some undetermined time? Does it matter to you whether you hold people accountable but still hate them for what they have done? Do you feel compelled and justified in punishing those who have inflicted debilitating damage on our country? And if you pursue action in the name of revenge, do you, in some ways, damage your own soul?

Is it worth it?

Ultimately, when accountability is applied, only you may know what you’re holding in your heart.

Only you and G-d

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  1. Kevin Schulte Member
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    A dilemma we most likely won’t have to worry about. Face it. The people running the Republican party have no problem with what has happened the last 6 years . There will not be enough MAGA types elected to make a serious dent in the leadership. Remember when we had both houses and the presidency ?  

    Unless we change leadership and their sycophants (Watch who is always behind the turtle in a presser ).   Nothing will change. 

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    A dilemma we most likely won’t have to worry about. Face it. The people running the Republican party have no problem with what has happened the last 6 years . There will not be enough MAGA types elected to make a serious dent in the leadership. Remember when we had both houses and the presidency ?

    Unless we change leadership and their sycophants (Watch who is always behind the turtle in a presser ). Nothing will change.

    I think there will be people who hold hearings; Steve Scalese has said he will, for one, and I think he’s sincere. How much time he spends in hearings, and whether anything meaningful comes from them is another question.

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  3. BDB Coolidge
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    From an evo bio perspective, and from squishier perspectives as well (realpolitik), revenge is sweet because it is good for us either in whole or in part.  “No one respects the flame quite like the fool who’s badly burned.”  Vengeance then is the burning of the fool, and the imparting of respect where previously there had been transgression.  The unrespected creature starves and does not reproduce — vengeance is within us.

    We have methods to haul ourselves from the primordial muck whence we spring — manners, religion, civilization — but when we pretend to be too good for ourselves, the Gods of the Copybook Headings limp up once more and…

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  4. BDB Coolidge
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    I say we live in harmony with nature, like the Native Americans did, and fling the still-beating hearts of Democrats down the steps of the Capitol.

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  5. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    BDB (View Comment):

    From an evo bio perspective, and from squishier perspectives as well (realpolitik), revenge is sweet because it is good for us either in whole or in part. “No one respects the flame quite like the fool who’s badly burned.” Vengeance then is the burning of the fool, and the imparting of respect where previously there had been transgression. The unrespected creature starves and does not reproduce — vengeance is within us.

    We have methods to haul ourselves from the primordial muck whence we spring — manners, religion, civilization — but when we pretend to be too good for ourselves, the Gods of the Copybook Headings limp up once more and…

    Forgive my denseness, BDB, but I’m trying to understand this comment. If we are “burned” by revenge, can we assume that we’ve learned our lesson to not take revenge? Where is respect “imparted” and for whom? Do we come to “respect” our enemy? I hope you don’t think I was saying that we are “above” seeking revenge; in fact, it takes a kind of humility to realize that we don’t benefit from doing that.

    Am I denser than usual today??

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  6. Percival Thatcher
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    From an evo bio perspective, and from squishier perspectives as well (realpolitik), revenge is sweet because it is good for us either in whole or in part. “No one respects the flame quite like the fool who’s badly burned.” Vengeance then is the burning of the fool, and the imparting of respect where previously there had been transgression. The unrespected creature starves and does not reproduce — vengeance is within us.

    We have methods to haul ourselves from the primordial muck whence we spring — manners, religion, civilization — but when we pretend to be too good for ourselves, the Gods of the Copybook Headings limp up once more and…

    Forgive my denseness, BDB, but I’m trying to understand this comment. If we are “burned” by revenge, can we assume that we’ve learned our lesson to not take revenge? Where is respect “imparted” and for whom? Do we come to “respect” our enemy? I hope you don’t think I was saying that we are “above” seeking revenge; in fact, it takes a kind of humility to realize that don’t benefit from doing that.

    Am I denser than usual today??

    BDB means that actions should have consequences.

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  7. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    There was a great line in an episode of Dharma and Greg (I think), where they were having a fight over something Dharma had done.  They were going back and forth and at one point Dharma said “That’s not a marriage, that’s a scorecard.”   I thought that was a brilliant encapsulation of so much conflict today.  

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  8. BDB Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    From an evo bio perspective, and from squishier perspectives as well (realpolitik), revenge is sweet because it is good for us either in whole or in part. “No one respects the flame quite like the fool who’s badly burned.” Vengeance then is the burning of the fool, and the imparting of respect where previously there had been transgression. The unrespected creature starves and does not reproduce — vengeance is within us.

    We have methods to haul ourselves from the primordial muck whence we spring — manners, religion, civilization — but when we pretend to be too good for ourselves, the Gods of the Copybook Headings limp up once more and…

    Forgive my denseness, BDB, but I’m trying to understand this comment. If we are “burned” by revenge, can we assume that we’ve learned our lesson to not take revenge? Where is respect “imparted” and for whom? Do we come to “respect” our enemy? I hope you don’t think I was saying that we are “above” seeking revenge; in fact, it takes a kind of humility to realize that we don’t benefit from doing that.

    Am I denser than usual today??

    Percival is right.  The candle has its revenge on the fool, and the fool leaves it alone.  The candle has no soul — it makes no difference to the fool.

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):

    There was a great line in an episode of Dharma and Greg (I think), where they were having a fight over something Dharma had done. They were going back and forth and at one point Dharma said “That’s not a marriage, that’s a scorecard.” I thought that was a brilliant encapsulation of so much conflict today.

    So true, GC! In every aspect of life, personal and professional. There was a time, for example when people on both sides of the aisle expected/knew there had to be compromise. It was a kind of art, and everyone knew at some point it would be necessary. But nowadays, people are showing a high level of incompetence in knowing when to give and take. We are too polarized. And too determined to be liked and accepted, perhaps.

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  10. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    It just occurred to me that many of us may want to exact revenge for the DOJ actions at Mar-a-lago. But consider that ultimately there may very well be accountability for Garland and the DOJ; they will likely bring it on themselves, particularly if Republicans unite behind Trump. That might be a great example of how justice will be done without seeking revenge!

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  11. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):

    There was a great line in an episode of Dharma and Greg (I think), where they were having a fight over something Dharma had done. They were going back and forth and at one point Dharma said “That’s not a marriage, that’s a scorecard.” I thought that was a brilliant encapsulation of so much conflict today.

    So true, GC! In every aspect of life, personal and professional. There was a time, for example when people on both sides of the aisle expected/knew there had to be compromise. It was a kind of art, and everyone knew at some point it would be necessary. But nowadays, people are showing a high level of incompetence in knowing when to give and take. We are too polarized. And to determined to be liked and accepted, perhaps.

    I suppose it is part of the infection of the woke view of the world where everything is viewed as a power struggle and everything is about you and you alone.  Every slight, no matter how small and insignificant, must be answered.  As you say, we used to view compromise as necessary and a good thing when there are those with diametrically opposing views that are nonetheless committed to living together.  But now compromise is viewed as giving in.  It is a defeat if it is not total victory.   It is the stuff of generational blood feuds, which can only be broken when one side decides not to seek revenge or no one is left standing.  I believe so many people fell for Joe Biden’s “I’m going to unify the country” lie because they hunger for a time where we were actually committed to living together, despite our opposing views.

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  12. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):
    I believe so many people fell for Joe Biden’s “I’m going to unify the country” lie because they hunger for a time where we were actually committed to living together, despite our opposing views.

    This.

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  13. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    A dilemma we most likely won’t have to worry about. Face it. The people running the Republican party have no problem with what has happened the last 6 years . There will not be enough MAGA types elected to make a serious dent in the leadership. Remember when we had both houses and the presidency ?

    Unless we change leadership and their sycophants (Watch who is always behind the turtle in a presser ). Nothing will change.

    I think there will be people who hold hearings; Steve Scalese has said he will, for one, and I think he’s sincere. How much time he spends in hearings, and whether anything meaningful comes from them is another question.

    Taking a bullet from a Bernie Sanders supporter would make me extremely revengeful…

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  14. BDB Coolidge
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    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):
    I believe so many people fell for Joe Biden’s “I’m going to unify the country” lie because they hunger for a time where we were actually committed to living together, despite our opposing views.

    It’s a fine sentiment for twelve-year-old girls.  Everybody else should know better.

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    I want Republicans to just clean it up and make sure any of those who acted positively or failed to act when responsible in aiding and abetting inappropriate acts are not allowed to be in such positions again.

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  16. Percival Thatcher
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    It just occurred to me that many of us may want to exact revenge for the DOJ actions at Mar-a-lago. But consider that ultimately there may very well be accountability for Garland and the DOJ; they will likely bring it on themselves, particularly if Republicans unite behind Trump. That might be a great example of how justice will be done without seeking revenge!

    There is that, but one way or the other, the FBI and DOJ need to be fixed. And I’m already to the point where I’m not feeling too fastidious or magnanimous. Remember the saying “better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be punished?” I say “bounce all eleven of them.”

    EDIT: Whoops.

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  17. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    I want Republicans to just clean it up and make sure any of those who acted positively or failed to act when responsible in aiding and abetting inappropriate acts are not allowed to be in such positions again.

    That’s a pretty big ask, Bob. If we look at everyone on the other side, would there be anyone left to govern? You could say that every Leftie who let Adam Schiff repeatedly tell his lies abetted his words and actions.

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  18. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn: (2) will we have cooperation from committees, departments and other legislators to provide the information we seek? (3) will we have the power to impose consequences for the illegal actions we uncover?

    Based on results of the Fast & Furious hearings, we should expect no cooperation from the Deep State and no consequences from the so-called Justice Dept.

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  19. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    It just occurred to me that many of us may want to exact revenge for the DOJ actions at Mar-a-lago. But consider that ultimately there may very well be accountability for Garland and the DOJ; they will likely bring it on themselves, particularly if Republicans unite behind Trump. That might be a great example of how justice will be done without seeking revenge!

    There is that, but one way or the other, the FBI and DOJ need to be fixed. And I’m already to the point where I’m not feeling too fastidious or magnanimous. Remember the saying “better that ten guilty men go unpunished than one innocent man go free?” I say “bounce all eleven of them.”

    I wonder if revenge and demanding accountability are in some ways on the same spectrum. In some areas, it would be really hard to tell where one ends and the other begins.

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  20. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: (2) will we have cooperation from committees, departments and other legislators to provide the information we seek? (3) will we have the power to impose consequences for the illegal actions we uncover?

    Based on results of the Fast & Furious hearings, we should expect no cooperation from the Deep State and no consequences from the so-called Justice Dept.

    So should we bother holding hearings at all? I’m not being sarcastic. If we know going in that we will learn nothing, or that no one will be held accountable, what would be the point of trying?

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  21. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: (2) will we have cooperation from committees, departments and other legislators to provide the information we seek? (3) will we have the power to impose consequences for the illegal actions we uncover?

    Based on results of the Fast & Furious hearings, we should expect no cooperation from the Deep State and no consequences from the so-called Justice Dept.

    So should we bother holding hearings at all? I’m not being sarcastic. If we know going in that we will learn nothing, or that no one will be held accountable, what would be the point of trying?

    I’m all for hearings to find out what went on for important events.  We need to know more and I’d like to hear from opposing views because that is often how we end up triangulating on the truth.  I have no problem with an adversarial system if it is done in good faith. But if they are partisan exercises with the outcome rigged before the hearing even begins, then they are worse than useless.  We learn nothing and any actions will only make things worse because they are not based on a foundation of truth.

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  22. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):
    But if they are partisan exercises with the outcome rigged before the hearing even begins, then they are worse than useless.  We learn nothing and any actions will only make things worse because they are not based on a foundation of truth.

    You mean like the ridiculous Jan 6 hearings??

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  23. BDB Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: (2) will we have cooperation from committees, departments and other legislators to provide the information we seek? (3) will we have the power to impose consequences for the illegal actions we uncover?

    Based on results of the Fast & Furious hearings, we should expect no cooperation from the Deep State and no consequences from the so-called Justice Dept.

    So should we bother holding hearings at all? I’m not being sarcastic. If we know going in that we will learn nothing, or that no one will be held accountable, what would be the point of trying?

    I see the main point of hearings as getting people on the record, both through testimony and through their votes.  Much of our collusive corruption is accomplished under the protective umbrella of “Well, there won’t be a result, so why bother?”

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  24. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Who are the Republicans you would like to be heads of committees who will ensure that we get meaningful results? To this day, I was so disappointed in Trey Gowdy’s role for the Benghazi inquiry, and I admire him greatly. I don’t want to necessarily get sidetracked with that hearing, but did we learn anything from that disaster that we can apply in the hearings that may be taking place? 

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  25. Chris O Coolidge
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    Hearings are the lie you inadvertently tell. “I’m going to take care of that as soon as I get to the office!” Something like that. It isn’t intended as a lie, but the statement fools the brain into thinking some action has been taken, and, thus, the matter is done. 

    Hearings are the same, they fool the participants into thinking something has been done.

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  26. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Gossamer Cat (View Comment):
    But if they are partisan exercises with the outcome rigged before the hearing even begins, then they are worse than useless. We learn nothing and any actions will only make things worse because they are not based on a foundation of truth.

    You mean like the ridiculous Jan 6 hearings??

    That one is front and center in my list. 

    There were failures that day on multiple levels in law enforcement,  odd things like the pipe bombs and alleged FBI informants, the concerns about the election driving the participants, and the shooting of Ashley Babbit, all of which deserved attention and answers.  I would have liked a serious committee (i.e., one in which Adam Schiff had no part) to address what happened that day-all that happened that day-whose motives and participants I trusted enough that they could have provided  some answers, regardless of whether or not I liked the answers.  

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  27. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Who are the Republicans you would like to be heads of committees who will ensure that we get meaningful results? To this day, I was so disappointed in Trey Gowdy’s role for the Benghazi inquiry, and I admire him greatly. I don’t want to necessarily get sidetracked with that hearing, but did we learn anything from that disaster that we can apply in the hearings that may be taking place?

    No we didn’t.  I serve on a lot of committees and on every one of them, we get together ahead of time and determine what it is we want to find out and how we will go about doing that.  That is probably too much to ask for the entire committee, given that in this case only one side wanted to know the answers, but I didn’t get the impression that even the Republicans did that.  That they had no answer for Hillary’s infamous “What difference does it make at this point” comment is a permanent stain on all Republicans who participated.

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  28. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Excellent point! If we have hearings that aren’t just set up to punish/humiliate the other side, then we’d darn well better know what we are looking for, and when we don’t get the answers we expect, to keep pushing. And how do we push people like Comey who “couldn’t recall” anything?? 

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  29. Kevin Schulte Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    Who are the Republicans you would like to be heads of committees who will ensure that we get meaningful results?

    Lauren Boebert

    Marjorie Taylor Green

    Josh Hawley 

    Ron Johnson 

    I trust the first two because they are outsiders .

    The last two , trust but verify every step of the way . If in DC too long . You get bought , extorted (deep state spying makes this easy ) or vilified and bounced . They are working on the first two.

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  30. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    Who are the Republicans you would like to be heads of committees who will ensure that we get meaningful results?

    Lauren Boebert

    Marjorie Taylor Green

    Josh Hawley

    Ron Johnson

    I trust the first two because they are outsiders .

    The last two , trust but verify every step of the way . If in DC too long . You get bought , extorted (deep state spying makes this easy ) or vilified and bounced . They are working on the first two.

    I just worry that Green could do more to hurt us than help us. I like your last two choices. What about Tom Cotton? Not sure about Elise Stefanik . . . 

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