Perhaps Trump Set THEM Up?

 

It would be a brilliant strategy to generate support and expose blatant corruption. I find it hard to believe he would have any disloyal people in his inner circle. It could happen, but doubtful. One of his insiders could pretend to flip and feed the FBI garbage. The FBI would ask this person to wear a wire. The two would then have a very compelling conversation with enticing but meaningless information.

If Trump had anything that he shouldn’t, it is probably in a storage locker in Dayton, OH. He has always pushed the limits and played within the rules of the law. When they opened his safe, they probably found a bunch of pictures of Hunter Biden smoking crack.

One thing I’ve learned about the press is that they’re always hungry for a good story, and the more sensational the better…The point is that if you are a little different, a little outrageous, or if you do things that are bold or controversial, the press is going to write about you. – The Art of the Deal

Trump knew they would shop for a TDS judge to obtain a search warrant. Everything probably went pretty much as planned. At least I hope so.

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  1. Terry Mott Member
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    carcat74 (View Comment):

    So there was ‘classified, sensitive, and confidential’ documents in those boxes hauled out of mar-a-Lago? Were they in the boxes, or added later? What happened to the documents Obama took when he left the white house? Of course, there was no incentive to stop him from running again, he was term-limited. After over 6 years, they still haven’t made anything stick to Trump. He has a lot of faults, but he seems to have kept most of his back trail cleaner than most of those in Washington now!

    I suspect that’s one of the reasons Trump must be kept from re-election.  They don’t have dirt on him to control him like they can the others.  Whoever “they” may be.

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  2. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Terry Mott (View Comment):
    I suspect that’s one of the reasons Trump must be kept from re-election.  They don’t have dirt on him to control him like they can the others.  Whoever “they” may be.

    Yes, but “they” seem to be willing to invent dirt on people.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):
    I suspect that’s one of the reasons Trump must be kept from re-election. They don’t have dirt on him to control him like they can the others. Whoever “they” may be.

    Yes, but “they” seem to be willing to invent dirt on people.

    What else can they do, if he won’t give the courtesy of actually having dirt?

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    W Bob (View Comment):

    This would involve lying to the FBI by someone. Not a good idea.

    Not necessarily. DJT and his circle could merely talk about having classified documents, etc., to see if it gets passed to someone at DOJ. The person passing it on would be able to truthfully say s/he heard DJT talking about it.

    Personally, I thought this even before I heard them talking about it on Clay and Buck. 

    If they suspected they were under surveillance, they could do any number of ostensibly innocuous things–in a certain way– to get the FBI freaked out. My first thought was, what they said and did around installing the safe. Obviously, wealthy people need safes. Ordinary and innocuous. They just needed to look and sound a little bit suspicious about it. 

    It’s called a “die marker test” or something like that.

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    carcat74 (View Comment):
    What happened to the documents Obama took when he left the white house?

    The national archivist already talked about this. It’s 100% under the government’s control even though it’s in Chicago. It’s not the same thing.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    Mark Levin was saying that the level of security of some of the files they say they found is impossibly high to lose that much control of. They are sort of centrally controlled and they have all kinds of special markings and cover things over them. He’s the only one saying that but, he says it patently doesn’t make any sense. 

    If that’s the actual structure, why didn’t they just take them the last time they were in there?

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  7. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):
    What happened to the documents Obama took when he left the white house?

    The national archivist already talked about this. It’s 100% under the government’s control even though it’s in Chicago. It’s not the same thing.

    100 %?

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):
    What happened to the documents Obama took when he left the white house?

    The national archivist already talked about this. It’s 100% under the government’s control even though it’s in Chicago. It’s not the same thing.

    100 %?

    All I can say is, the Fox News DOJ reporter reported it and he said it was highly unusual for them to do that. Trump is wrong. I’m sure Obama can go in there anytime he wants, but he doesn’t have the same level of control.

    Having said that, you know the deep state fixed anything Obama wanted fixed by now. 

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  9. Chowderhead Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin was saying that the level of security of some of the files they say they found is impossibly high to lose that much control of. They are sort of centrally controlled and they have all kinds of special markings and cover things over them. He’s the only one saying that but, he says it patently doesn’t make any sense.

    If that’s the actual structure, why didn’t they just take them the last time they were in there?

    That’s a really good point. Obviously he had access to everything but it would make sense to have every top secret document serialized and checked out like a library book.

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  10. I Walton Member
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    So Trump knew this was going to happen one way or another, so what would he have left in there that could incriminate him criminally?  Anything criminal they find will be a plant.   It’ll be tossed out eventually but Presidential elections are over two years away so what is the objective?  To divert from Biden corruption, to just keep doubts alive about Trump to damage his candidacy?  He could be playing them but its way beyond me unless its just part of the justification for stealing the elections.   Both of them.  I don’t think Trump is going to be the candidate anyway.  The Democrats will pick someone younger who could justify a more credible election theft so we will to and with Trump support.  Look at all the Republicans who go along with the notion that Biden, who was obviously already senile, who never got many votes outside of his state, who didn’t campaign, got more votes than anyone in history.   This is the kind of delusional thinking the Democrats will count on when they steal the next two elections.   Are we going to just complain?

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  11. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    I Walton (View Comment):

    So Trump knew this was going to happen one way or another, so what would he have left in there that could incriminate him criminally? Anything criminal they find will be a plant. It’ll be tossed out eventually but Presidential elections are over two years away so what is the objective? To divert from Biden corruption, to just keep doubts alive about Trump to damage his candidacy? He could be playing them but its way beyond me unless its just part of the justification for stealing the elections. Both of them. I don’t think Trump is going to be the candidate anyway. The Democrats will pick someone younger who could justify a more credible election theft so we will to and with Trump support. Look at all the Republicans who go along with the notion that Biden, who was obviously already senile, who never got many votes outside of his state, who didn’t campaign, got more votes than anyone in history. This is the kind of delusional thinking the Democrats will count on when they steal the next two elections. Are we going to just complain?

    The Democrats are looking for an Obama-like candidate.  

    If you see Pete at the Iowa State Fair, . . .

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  12. Flicker Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin was saying that the level of security of some of the files they say they found is impossibly high to lose that much control of. They are sort of centrally controlled and they have all kinds of special markings and cover things over them. He’s the only one saying that but, he says it patently doesn’t make any sense.

    If that’s the actual structure, why didn’t they just take them the last time they were in there?

    From what I understand the documents were declassified in accordance with procedure.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin was saying that the level of security of some of the files they say they found is impossibly high to lose that much control of. They are sort of centrally controlled and they have all kinds of special markings and cover things over them. He’s the only one saying that but, he says it patently doesn’t make any sense.

    If that’s the actual structure, why didn’t they just take them the last time they were in there?

    From what I understand the documents were declassified in accordance with procedure.

    So there are two levels of where the government is wrong. 

    The government is acting like they didn’t have the brains to look for something that they knew was missing. They were right there and they could’ve done it on the spot. Like Levin says, why would they drag it out for months?

    That’s what I’m taking away from Mark Levin. To be clear and nobody else is talking like that. He makes sense to me.

    Kash Patel says he went through everything for Trump, and he obviously knows what he’s doing. I’m pretty sure that’s what he said. 

     

     

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  14. Django Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin was saying that the level of security of some of the files they say they found is impossibly high to lose that much control of. They are sort of centrally controlled and they have all kinds of special markings and cover things over them. He’s the only one saying that but, he says it patently doesn’t make any sense.

    If that’s the actual structure, why didn’t they just take them the last time they were in there?

    From what I understand the documents were declassified in accordance with procedure.

    So there are two levels of where the government is wrong.

    The government is acting like they didn’t have the brains to look for something that they knew was missing. They were right there and they could’ve done it on the spot. Like Levin says, why would they drag it out for months?

    That’s what I’m taking away from Mark Levin. To be clear and nobody else is talking like that. He makes sense to me.

    Kash Patel says he went through everything for Trump, and he obviously knows what he’s doing. I’m pretty sure that’s what he said.

    It seems that two things were going on simultaneously. First, Trump while President ordered declassification of some documents. Second, the documents were being reviewed by multiple agencies to see if they contained information about “sources and methods” that should not be made public. The agencies did what they always do and slow-walked the process.

    Trump was aware of that and kept the documents in safes and the room under lock and key. The agents who were at Mar-a-Lago earlier suggested additional locks and security, and the staff at Mar-a-Lago complied.

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  15. Flicker Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin was saying that the level of security of some of the files they say they found is impossibly high to lose that much control of. They are sort of centrally controlled and they have all kinds of special markings and cover things over them. He’s the only one saying that but, he says it patently doesn’t make any sense.

    If that’s the actual structure, why didn’t they just take them the last time they were in there?

    From what I understand the documents were declassified in accordance with procedure.

    So there are two levels of where the government is wrong.

    The government is acting like they didn’t have the brains to look for something that they knew was missing. They were right there and they could’ve done it on the spot. Like Levin says, why would they drag it out for months?

    That’s what I’m taking away from Mark Levin. To be clear and nobody else is talking like that. He makes sense to me.

    Kash Patel says he went through everything for Trump, and he obviously knows what he’s doing. I’m pretty sure that’s what he said.

    I posted the document somewhere that shows that Trump declassified two major groups of classified material that is presumably what he kept.  The other is that, from what I can tell (which is sketchy) these documents that Trump had were not the only copies in existence; no one was being denied them or access to the originals.

    One thing’s for sure, the FBI was wiping up traces of information (to which Trump apparently had legitimate access) and everything we’ve heard so far about why they did this is purely fabricated.

    Just like the pee-pee dossier, the leak about Trump possessing nuclear codes was ludicrous at first sight.

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  16. Flicker Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin was saying that the level of security of some of the files they say they found is impossibly high to lose that much control of. They are sort of centrally controlled and they have all kinds of special markings and cover things over them. He’s the only one saying that but, he says it patently doesn’t make any sense.

    If that’s the actual structure, why didn’t they just take them the last time they were in there?

    From what I understand the documents were declassified in accordance with procedure.

    So there are two levels of where the government is wrong.

    The government is acting like they didn’t have the brains to look for something that they knew was missing. They were right there and they could’ve done it on the spot. Like Levin says, why would they drag it out for months?

    That’s what I’m taking away from Mark Levin. To be clear and nobody else is talking like that. He makes sense to me.

    Kash Patel says he went through everything for Trump, and he obviously knows what he’s doing. I’m pretty sure that’s what he said.

    It seems that two things were going on simultaneously. First, Trump while President ordered declassification of some documents. Second, the documents were being reviewed by multiple agencies to see if they contained information about “sources and methods” that should not be made public. The agencies did what they always do and slow-walked the process.

    Trump was aware of that and kept the documents in safes and the room under lock and key. The agents who were at Mar-a-Lago earlier suggested additional locks and security, and the staff at Mar-a-Lago complied.

    One thing.  Did Trump have any classified anything in his safe?

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  17. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    One thing.  Did Trump have any classified anything in his safe?

    probably the key to the padlocked room.

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  18. Django Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin was saying that the level of security of some of the files they say they found is impossibly high to lose that much control of. They are sort of centrally controlled and they have all kinds of special markings and cover things over them. He’s the only one saying that but, he says it patently doesn’t make any sense.

    If that’s the actual structure, why didn’t they just take them the last time they were in there?

    From what I understand the documents were declassified in accordance with procedure.

    So there are two levels of where the government is wrong.

    The government is acting like they didn’t have the brains to look for something that they knew was missing. They were right there and they could’ve done it on the spot. Like Levin says, why would they drag it out for months?

    That’s what I’m taking away from Mark Levin. To be clear and nobody else is talking like that. He makes sense to me.

    Kash Patel says he went through everything for Trump, and he obviously knows what he’s doing. I’m pretty sure that’s what he said.

    It seems that two things were going on simultaneously. First, Trump while President ordered declassification of some documents. Second, the documents were being reviewed by multiple agencies to see if they contained information about “sources and methods” that should not be made public. The agencies did what they always do and slow-walked the process.

    Trump was aware of that and kept the documents in safes and the room under lock and key. The agents who were at Mar-a-Lago earlier suggested additional locks and security, and the staff at Mar-a-Lago complied.

    One thing. Did Trump have any classified anything in his safe?

    I don’t know. If he ordered declassification, is that final, or did the review by the agencies for sources and methods put a formal hold on declassification? 

    I have read that as a courtesy and because the former President may be able to provide useful advice, former Presidents are usually allowed to retain their security accesses. The Idiot-in-Chief in office now said publicly that there was no need for Trump to retain his accesses/clearances since he had no need for Trump’s insights. I don’t know how that issue was resolved. 

    Those items are all irrelevant to me. The point is that the Swamp and the useful pond scum such as Cheney and Kinzinger are trying to make certain that Trump is destroyed. 

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  19. Flicker Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    One thing. Did Trump have any classified anything in his safe?

    probably the key to the padlocked room.

    No, that was in Melania’s chest of drawers.

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  20. Flicker Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Mark Levin was saying that the level of security of some of the files they say they found is impossibly high to lose that much control of. They are sort of centrally controlled and they have all kinds of special markings and cover things over them. He’s the only one saying that but, he says it patently doesn’t make any sense.

    If that’s the actual structure, why didn’t they just take them the last time they were in there?

    From what I understand the documents were declassified in accordance with procedure.

    So there are two levels of where the government is wrong.

    The government is acting like they didn’t have the brains to look for something that they knew was missing. They were right there and they could’ve done it on the spot. Like Levin says, why would they drag it out for months?

    That’s what I’m taking away from Mark Levin. To be clear and nobody else is talking like that. He makes sense to me.

    Kash Patel says he went through everything for Trump, and he obviously knows what he’s doing. I’m pretty sure that’s what he said.

    It seems that two things were going on simultaneously. First, Trump while President ordered declassification of some documents. Second, the documents were being reviewed by multiple agencies to see if they contained information about “sources and methods” that should not be made public. The agencies did what they always do and slow-walked the process.

    Trump was aware of that and kept the documents in safes and the room under lock and key. The agents who were at Mar-a-Lago earlier suggested additional locks and security, and the staff at Mar-a-Lago complied.

    One thing. Did Trump have any classified anything in his safe?

    I don’t know. If he ordered declassification, is that final, or did the review by the agencies for sources and methods put a formal hold on declassification?

    I have read that as a courtesy and because the former President may be able to provide useful advice, former Presidents are usually allowed to retain their security accesses. The Idiot-in-Chief in office now said publicly that there was no need for Trump to retain his accesses/clearances since he had no need for Trump’s insights. I don’t know how that issue was resolved.

    Those items are all irrelevant to me. The point is that the Swamp and the useful pond scum such as Cheney and Kinzinger are trying to make certain that Trump is destroyed.

    I think the access to presidential documents is so that ex-presidents can refresh their memory and document things when they write their memoirs (or offer opinions).  Historians certainly like this.

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  21. OldPhil Coolidge
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    The Democrats are looking for an Obama-like candidate. 

    Where might they find an arrogant, condescending, pr***?

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  22. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    The Democrats are looking for an Obama-like candidate. 

    Where might they find an arrogant, condescending, pr***?

    It is not possible to find another candidate like Obama.   The Left would never tolerate a candidate appearing to be post-racial and centrist.  

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  23. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    The Democrats are looking for an Obama-like candidate.

    Where might they find an arrogant, condescending, pr***?

    It is not possible to find another candidate like Obama. The Left would never tolerate a candidate appearing to be post-racial and centrist.

    All but the ultra left are more than tolerant of a candidate who APPEARS to be post-racial and centrist.   They may even encourage the most radical fringe to go into attack mode on such a candidate.  Most of the voters could fall for such a candidate, perhaps even among some who follow Ricochet. 

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  24. Gary Robbins Member
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    You said:

     “I find it hard to believe he would have any disloyal people in his inner circle. “

    I disagree.  The large bulk of witnesses at the January 6th Committee Hearings were loyal members of Trump’s inner circle who finally found that they could no longer excuse his excesses.  Attorney General William Barr, Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, Former Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Cassidy Hutchinson, and Pat Cipollone all come to mind.  

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  25. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    You said:

    “I find it hard to believe he would have any disloyal people in his inner circle. “

    I disagree. The large bulk of witnesses at the January 6th Committee Hearings were loyal members of Trump’s inner circle who finally found that they could no longer excuse his excesses. Attorney General William Barr, Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, Former Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Cassidy Hutchinson, and Pat Cipollone all come to mind.

    Five Pence and change.

    • #55
  26. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    You said:

     “I find it hard to believe he would have any disloyal people in his inner circle. “

    I disagree.  The large bulk of witnesses at the January 6th Committee Hearings were loyal members of Trump’s inner circle who finally found that they could no longer excuse his excesses.  Attorney General William Barr, Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, Former Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Cassidy Hutchinson, and Pat Cipollone all come to mind.  

    You seem confused about the words “inner circle”, “loyalty” and the idea of “compelled testimony”.   Would like to try again to refute the point?

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