What Is Domestic Terrorism?

 

Is it now anyone who campaigns to reduce the size and power of the federal government? Won’t that be a major feature of the next Republican presidential nominee? Project Veritas has the details: “FBI Whistleblower Leaks Bureau’s ‘Domestic Terrorism Symbols Guide.'”

I think we have created ourselves a monster with the changes made to federal law enforcement and intelligence gathering in the early part of this century in response to our failures prior to the 9/11 attacks. Now we are possibly facing a redefinition of Domestic Terrorism in a way that will enable our government agencies to treat Americans in ways similar to foreigners concerning the investigation of acts or the potential for acts of terrorism.

The Patriot Act needs to be revisited.

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  1. Kevin Schulte Member
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    The Patriot Act needs to be abolished . It is the opposite of it’s name. Curse you GW Bush. You globalist pig. 

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  2. Bob Thompson Member
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    The Patriot Act needs to be abolished . It is the opposite of it’s name. Curse you GW Bush. You globalist pig.

    Yes. I don’t even know how all the moves of the existing agencies at that time and the new agencies created was handled, in the Patriot Act or not. I think we had a good system then and it really got torn apart. Our federal law enforcement is a mess. Our intelligence function is a mess.

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  3. Mark Camp Member
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):
    The Patriot Act needs to be abolished

    Repealed. It’s a law, so it needs to be repealed, not abolished. 

    Other than that detail, yes.  It was a huge mistake that only served the cause of the allies-of-convenience of the anti-American Muslim terrorists of 9/11 whom it was supposed to harm: the Progressivist radicals and all their Democrat Party ground troops.

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  4. Franco Member
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    This is a major issue for me. So major I’d vote for Tulsi Gabbard over a Chris Christie or a Mike Pence in a heartbeat.

    We already have rampant socialism which few Republicans will ( or can?) do anything about.

     Now we are going to combine that with more outright tyranny? 

    The FBI has become an arm of the Democrats and certain corrupt Republicans are fully complicit.

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  5. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    The Patriot Act needs to be abolished . It is the opposite of it’s name. Curse you GW Bush. You globalist pig.

    Funny how the GOP politicians end up being more dangerous than the Democrat ones.  

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  6. Unsk Member
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    Great Post. Can’t  agree more.  What is concerning is how out in the open all this Totalitarian Crap now is, and our Justice System doesn’t seem to even blink an eye. 

    The Never Trumper pigs l such a Dubya and McConnell are simply sellouts to our foreign adversaries. It’s disgusting.   We can only hope we win the midterms really big so we can go after these traitors. 

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  7. Kevin Schulte Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    The Patriot Act needs to be abolished . It is the opposite of it’s name. Curse you GW Bush. You globalist pig.

    Funny how the GOP politicians end up being more dangerous than the Democrat ones.

    Trators are always more treacherous. And deserving of a slower more painful demise. 

     

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  8. Raxxalan Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    The Patriot Act needs to be abolished . It is the opposite of it’s name. Curse you GW Bush. You globalist pig.

    Yes. I don’t even know how all the moves of the existing agencies at that time and the new agencies created was handled, in the Patriot Act or not. I think we had a good system then and it really got torn apart. Our federal law enforcement is a mess. Our intelligence function is a mess.

    Why should there be a federal law enforcement function in the first place?  I think the FBI should be abolished I don’t think it performs a legitimate constitutional role and I also believe it has become partisan and a threat to democracy.

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    The Patriot Act needs to be abolished . It is the opposite of it’s name. Curse you GW Bush. You globalist pig.

    Yes. I don’t even know how all the moves of the existing agencies at that time and the new agencies created was handled, in the Patriot Act or not. I think we had a good system then and it really got torn apart. Our federal law enforcement is a mess. Our intelligence function is a mess.

    And the whole point of DHS was to coordinate and disseminate gathered intel, yet the DHS seems to be having the opposite effect.  And now, looking back, it looks like the general systemic intelligence failures demonstrated a feature and not a bug.

    Come to think of it, Gen. Flynn was a strong opponent of the post-9/11 intelligence community’s capabilities and way of operating.  And he got roasted — twiced.

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  10. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    Why should there be a federal law enforcement function in the first place?  I think the FBI should be abolished I don’t think it performs a legitimate constitutional role and I also believe it has become partisan and a threat to democracy.

    The first thing that came to mind was that if we try to abolish the FBI, they will secretly re-form as a rogue “militia”: how dare we even consider getting rid of them ?? But we should!

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    Why should there be a federal law enforcement function in the first place? I think the FBI should be abolished I don’t think it performs a legitimate constitutional role and I also believe it has become partisan and a threat to democracy.

    The first thing that came to mind was that if we try to abolish the FBI, they will secretly re-form as a rogue “militia”: how dare we even consider getting rid of them ?? But we should!

    And here’s why. We saw several instances in those phony Trump investigations where individuals were charged and prosecuted with lying to the FBI. These cases were not under oath and the records were notes prepared by FBI agents and found in some cases to have been subsequently altered. While this was going on numerous intelligence and law enforcement officials testified falsely under oath before Congress with hardly a raised eyebrow. This is intolerable.

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  12. Flicker Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    Why should there be a federal law enforcement function in the first place? I think the FBI should be abolished I don’t think it performs a legitimate constitutional role and I also believe it has become partisan and a threat to democracy.

    The first thing that came to mind was that if we try to abolish the FBI, they will secretly re-form as a rogue “militia”: how dare we even consider getting rid of them ?? But we should!

    Reminds me of Danny Ackroyd and Bill Murray playing X-Police.

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  13. TBA Coolidge
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    The Patriot Act needs to be abolished . It is the opposite of it’s name. Curse you GW Bush. You globalist pig.

    Yes. I don’t even know how all the moves of the existing agencies at that time and the new agencies created was handled, in the Patriot Act or not. I think we had a good system then and it really got torn apart. Our federal law enforcement is a mess. Our intelligence function is a mess.

    Why should there be a federal law enforcement function in the first place? I think the FBI should be abolished I don’t think it performs a legitimate constitutional role and I also believe it has become partisan and a threat to democracy.

    I could see a Fed agency that investigated police departments for corruption but without police powers themselves. 

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  14. Raxxalan Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    The Patriot Act needs to be abolished . It is the opposite of it’s name. Curse you GW Bush. You globalist pig.

    Yes. I don’t even know how all the moves of the existing agencies at that time and the new agencies created was handled, in the Patriot Act or not. I think we had a good system then and it really got torn apart. Our federal law enforcement is a mess. Our intelligence function is a mess.

    Why should there be a federal law enforcement function in the first place? I think the FBI should be abolished I don’t think it performs a legitimate constitutional role and I also believe it has become partisan and a threat to democracy.

    I could see a Fed agency that investigated police departments for corruption but without police powers themselves.

    While this may be prudent, I am asking a more basic question I think.  Where does a federal law enforcement function derive its legitimacy from?  The federal government does not have a generalized police power, so it isn’t an inherent power that should exist in the executive.  Also it seems to be a power that is rife with the possibility of abuse.   The history of the FBI suggests it has frequently abused it power.  I think given these facts we really do need to question if we should allow it or any other domestic law enforcement agency to exist at a federal level.

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  15. TBA Coolidge
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    The Patriot Act needs to be abolished . It is the opposite of it’s name. Curse you GW Bush. You globalist pig.

    Yes. I don’t even know how all the moves of the existing agencies at that time and the new agencies created was handled, in the Patriot Act or not. I think we had a good system then and it really got torn apart. Our federal law enforcement is a mess. Our intelligence function is a mess.

    Why should there be a federal law enforcement function in the first place? I think the FBI should be abolished I don’t think it performs a legitimate constitutional role and I also believe it has become partisan and a threat to democracy.

    I could see a Fed agency that investigated police departments for corruption but without police powers themselves.

    While this may be prudent, I am asking a more basic question I think. Where does a federal law enforcement function derive its legitimacy from? The federal government does not have a generalized police power, so it isn’t an inherent power that should exist in the executive. Also it seems to be a power that is rife with the possibility of abuse. The history of the FBI suggests it has frequently abused it power. I think given these facts we really do need to question if we should allow it or any other domestic law enforcement agency to exist at a federal level.

    I would suggest it was ‘derived’ whole cloth in reaction to the Whiskey Rebellion and that it has been part of our national hangover ever since. 

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