Blake Masters Wins AZ GOP Nomination for Senate

 

Last July, I wrote for Ricochet in support of Blake Masters for the Senate seat in Arizona. I’m happy, fellow Ricochetti, to say he just won his primary yesterday comfortably and I’m as confident as ever that he’ll win the November race, unseat the non-entity Mark Kelly, and become part of the new GOP majority. Masters secured Trump’s endorsement. You can hear him give his appeal to angry patriots at the Save America Rally in lovely Prescott:

There’s every reason to believe Masters will be much better than most GOP Senators, who have failed to cover themselves in glory especially in recent years. He’s a young man who knows more about technology than the rest of the Senate–he worked for Peter Thiel until he got into politics, with his very generous support–a subject that will be very important for Republicans to master. He’s also wealthy, which should free him considerably from the self-seeking that has overtaken American politics at most levels,  and has a family, which we should expect will keep him from spending the rest of his life in politics.

America is now an astonishing gerontocracy. A country supposedly run by zombies like Biden and Pelosi will have to make some serious changes before it can claim the respect it has claimed for more than two centuries now, and mostly received. We can hope a Sen. Masters would be part of that change.

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  1. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    It’s funny how Fox News is trying to cancel Trump so he’s no longer a player in Republican politics.  Good thing it’s not working . . .

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    We shall see.  I think that there may be a huge “Kansas” effect, especially in state elections, but also in federal elections.  (The vote in Kansas was twice as large as usual in a primary election, with the Kansas Constitutional provision for abortion choice being preserved in Kansas by a 59-41% margin.)

    I am torn.  I will be voting against the Trump endorsed candidates in the State elections (Secretary of State and AG, and maybe Governor), as the legislature is likely to stay Republican and be a check.

    But in essence, a vote for Mark Kelly is a vote for Chuck Schumer.  Basically, who do I fear more, Socialist Schumer or Insurrectionist Trump?  If Trump declares early, that is a mark against Masters.  If Trump is indicted, that is a mark for Masters.

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  3. Painter Jean Member
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    I don’t share your enthusiasm. I’m still waiting for his explanation of why he would quote Herman Goering to support his contention that the U. S. was wrong to enagage in foreign interventions, including WW2. He’s a nut whose victory will make it easier for the Dems to win. 

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  4. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
    Justin Other Lawyer
    @DouglasMyers

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We shall see. I think that there may be a huge “Kansas” effect, especially in state elections, but also in federal elections. (The vote in Kansas was twice as large as usual in a primary election, with the Kansas Constitutional provision for abortion choice being preserved in Kansas by a 59-41% margin.)

    I am torn. I will be voting against the Trump endorsed candidates in the State elections (Secretary of State and AG, and maybe Governor), as the legislature is likely to stay Republican and be a check.

    But in essence, a vote for Mark Kelly is a vote for Chuck Schumer. Basically, who do I fear more, Socialist Schumer or Insurrectionist Trump? If Trump declares early, that is a mark against Masters. If Trump is indicted, that is a mark for Masters.

    I’m doubting there will be much of a “Kansas effect” (although, TBH, no one has ever gotten wealthy off my political predictions).  If you get a chance, listen to today’s Commentary podcast.  They discuss this question, and I’m persuaded they are correct–a referendum with a stark “yes” or “no” answer is not a good predictor of elections of people.

    As I noted on another post, most people just don’t “get” constitutional law/principles.  I have little doubt that the 2/3 of the people who favor some kind of legal abortion saw the language in the referendum (that said something like “no right to abortion in the constitution”) and concluded the following: if there’s no right to abortion in the constitution, then voting “yes” will ban all abortions.  The 2/3 being opposed to a complete ban then voted “no”.  Further, apparently Planned Parenthood provided false messaging that said as much.

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  5. Painter Jean Member
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):

    s a mark for Masters.

    I’m doubting there will be much of a “Kansas effect” (although, TBH, no one has ever gotten wealthy off my political predictions). If you get a chance, listen to today’s Commentary podcast. They discuss this question, and I’m persuaded they are correct–a referendum with a stark “yes” or “no” answer is not a good predictor of elections of people.

    As I noted on another post, most people just don’t “get” constitutional law/principles. I have little doubt that the 2/3 of the people who favor some kind of legal abortion saw the language in the referendum (that said something like “no right to abortion in the constitution”) and concluded the following: if there’s no right to abortion in the constitution, then voting “yes” will ban all abortions. The 2/3 being opposed to a complete ban then voted “no”. Further, apparently Planned Parenthood provided false messaging that said as much.

    I think you’re right about this – I think voters saw it as an abortion ban, and not as a repeal of a constitutional amendment that the court itself imposed in 2019 (it was not voted on by Kansas voters). 

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  6. Doug Watt Moderator
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    Masters will have to remember Arizonans have issues closer to home that are more important than sending a foreign policy wonk to DC.

    The economy, the Yuma Sector, and the Tucson Sector of the border come to mind. The cynical restart of finishing the border wall in Yuma was done for one reason. It’s being done to protect Mark Kelly who is not much more than a carpetbagger from Houston. He’s what I call a Senatorial tourist whose ties are to the DNC, not Arizona.

    Only about 17% of the land is in private ownership in Arizona. He needs to remind Arizona voters that Mark Kelly’s friend Chuck Schumer is no friend of Arizona.

    Republicans need to unify as soon as possible in Arizona. The Senate races a few years ago was a debacle for Republicans. What I noticed in when I lived in Arizona was that Republicans campaigned as individuals. There was no real mutual support. One improvement that I see now is no one seems to be beating a path to Cindy McCain’s front door for the McCain machine blessing. John McCain built a strong machine, of that there is no doubt, but his team was not interested in sharing the wealth. 

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    :: throws down gauntlet ::

    Anyone who claims to be a Republican yet won’t vote for Masters over Kelly is lying about being a Republican.

     

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  8. Quintus Sertorius Coolidge
    Quintus Sertorius
    @BillGollier

    One interesting thing about Blake Master’s is if you take away the Herman Goring comment and his out of step comments on the just war and look at many of his policy ideas he sounds  like Barry Goldwater in 1964 or Ronald Reagan from 1964-1980….and all the pearl clutching from the Republican Establishment like Noah Rothman etal sound like how the Nelson Rockefeller wing and the mainstream media treated Reagan and Goldwater. 

    Least we forget the main stream media said the same things about Regan and Nixon and Goldwater they say about Trump….remember in 1981 when Regan was going to start WWIII and was a threat to our very Republic….good times!! 

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  9. Painter Jean Member
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    Quintus Sertorius (View Comment):

    One interesting thing about Blake Master’s is if you take away the Herman Goring comment and his out of step comments on the just war and look at many of his policy ideas he sounds like Barry Goldwater in 1964 or Ronald Reagan from 1964-1980….and all the pearl clutching from the Republican Establishment like Noah Rothman etal sound like how the Nelson Rockefeller wing and the mainstream media treated Reagan and Goldwater.

    Least we forget the main stream media said the same things about Regan and Nixon and Goldwater they say about Trump….remember in 1981 when Regan was going to start WWIII and was a threat to our very Republic….good times!!

    “Taking away” those comments is asking a lot. Is it truly so difficult to find a candidate that has good policy instincts and conservative values who hasn’t  quoted Goerring? Is that really so hard? And are you actually, honestly surprised that Jewish commentators such as Noah Rothman might just have a certain sensitivity to Nazis being quoted?!

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    :: throws down gauntlet ::

    Anyone who claims to be a Republican yet won’t vote for Masters over Kelly is lying about being a Republican.

    Oh my goodness.

    Drew, the difference between you and I is that you see Trump as some sort of victim.

    The January 6th Select Committee has provided clear and convincing evidence that Trump was (a) the Creator of the Big Lie, (b) the Co-creator (or worse) of the Insurrection before it started and (c) then a Traitor to the nation as he disobeyed his oath of office to faithfully exercise the duties of this office during the 187 minutes of the riot at the Capitol (i) where officers were beaten by armed rioters to an inch of their lives, (ii) Congress had to flee for their safety, and (iii) Vice President Pence’s protective detail called their families due to the strong possibility that they could die.

    If Trump is removed from the picture by indictment then I can safely vote for Masters over Kelly.

    Likewise, there is Section 3 of the Fourteen Amendment which states:

    Section 3.

    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    But the Department of Justice and/or Congress must act.  And they have not.

    I am not alone.  During the riot, even members of Ricochet took this stand.  See the best post in Ricochet’s history, .   Impeach. Remove. Bar from Office.  Since then, some have shifted their views, but in light of the compelling finding of the Select Committee, many have come back to see Trump has an existential danger to the Republic.  While I am still in a minority among Ricochet members, I am now in a majority among Americans, many of whom would agree with Liz Cheney that Donald Trump must never again be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office.

    Therefore, if Trump can still be able to retake office, it is essential as an American, that I seek any legal check on him.  Once Trump is no longer a threat, I can vote for Masters with a clean conscience.

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  11. Titus Techera Contributor
    Titus Techera
    @TitusTechera

    It really is difficult to find politicians who can get themselves elected, who care about the Republican electorate, & who worry about the future of the nation. Look at the Senate: Do you think the Republican half is one shining example after another?

    I don’t advise trying to humiliate a man about angry libertarian rants from his college days. Seeing America go to war in Afghanistan, then Iraq, was enough to drive quit a number of people almost crazy. It turns out, many of them were right; whereas many of the people who felt most patriotic & on the side of righteous authority are facing dangers to their sanity now, in the aftermath. For my part, I’m happy to say that if this is what the hit pieces can dig up, Masters is going to be a winner & pretty reliable in office!

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  12. Painter Jean Member
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    Titus Techera (View Comment):

    It really is difficult to find politicians who can get themselves elected, who care about the Republican electorate, & who worry about the future of the nation. Look at the Senate: Do you think the Republican half is one shining example after another?

    I don’t advise trying to humiliate a man about angry libertarian rants from his college days. Seeing America go to war in Afghanistan, then Iraq, was enough to drive quit a number of people almost crazy. It turns out, many of them were right; whereas many of the people who felt most patriotic & on the side of righteous authority are facing dangers to their sanity now, in the aftermath. For my part, I’m happy to say that if this is what the hit pieces can dig up, Masters is going to be a winner & pretty reliable in office!

     

    I understand that people say stupid and regrettable things, especially when young.  And that’s what needs to be said – but he hasn’t done that.

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  13. ctlaw Coolidge
    ctlaw
    @ctlaw

    Hopefully, this is Bill Nelson creating a post-Senate career for Mark Kelly:

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nasa-former-astronaut-private-space-flights-international-space-station-230720332.html

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  14. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
    GlenEisenhardt
    @GlenEisenhardt

    If conservatives bend to the manipulation going on here you deserve democratic rule and the destruction of the country. I find tons of headlines that Masters quoted a Nazi. Not many that want to contend with the quote which means the quote wasn’t bad or irrelevant. If the quote was something really pernicious we would know what it is. After reading the top 4 or 5 Google results concerning this quote I have yet to find any article willing to state what it is. They all are very sure to state that the words came from a Nazi.

    I refuse to be manipulated like this. And believe it or not all kinds of people even bad people from the past can make good points or have done things you can learn from. I am not playing this game where leftists openly get to teach and promote ideology that killed 100 million people and push gender dysphoria on kids. But we need to be up in arms over quoting Goering about something that seems like the opposite of what the nazis were doing at the time which is intervening everywhere and invading everyone. And I’m half Jewish by the way. Not that it should matter.

    I don’t even know the context of the quote. Was the context that Goering figured out that intervention screwed Germany? Maybe a military leader like Goering that suffered the defeat he suffered talking about non intervention should be somewhere to learn what not to do. Or we can all be low IQ and stupid and go MASTERS QUOTED A NAZI. No wonder this country is in decline.

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  15. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Titus Techera (View Comment):
    It really is difficult to find politicians who can get themselves elected, who care about the Republican electorate, & who worry about the future of the nation. Look at the Senate: Do you think the Republican half is one shining example after another?

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  16. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    :: throws down gauntlet ::

    Anyone who claims to be a Republican yet won’t vote for Masters over Kelly is lying about being a Republican.

    Oh my goodness.

    Drew, the difference between you and I is that you see Trump as some sort of victim.

    Where do you get that? I didn’t even mention Trump and you spewed out that word in your first sentence.

    No, the difference is that you call yourself a Republican and yet keep voting for Democrats. I refuse to call myself a Republican but I will never vote Democrat. Because I’m smart enough to know that Democrats are destroying this country. And you don’t give a [REDACTED]. People who suspect you’re really a Democrat have more evidence than they need to be assured of it.

    Once Trump is no longer a threat, I can vote for Masters with a clean conscience.

    This is breathtakingly dumb. I have rarely seen a dumber statement. The country is being destroyed by the Democrats. Nobody gives a [REDACTED] about your conscience. We care about the country. And here you are justifying your vote for its continued destruction.

    Get over yourself.

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  17. Painter Jean Member
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    If conservatives bend to the manipulation going on here you deserve democratic rule and the destruction of the country. I find tons of headlines that Masters quoted a Nazi. Not many that want to contend with the quote which means the quote wasn’t bad or irrelevant. If the quote was something really pernicious we would know what it is. After reading the top 4 or 5 Google results concerning this quote I have yet to find any article willing to state what it is. They all are very sure to state that the words came from a Nazi.

    I refuse to be manipulated like this. And believe it or not all kinds of people even bad people from the past can make good points or have done things you can learn from. I am not playing this game where leftists openly get to teach and promote ideology that killed 100 million people and push gender dysphoria on kids. But we need to be up in arms over quoting Goering about something that seems like the opposite of what the nazis were doing at the time which is intervening everywhere and invading everyone. And I’m half Jewish by the way. Not that it should matter.

    I don’t even know the context of the quote. Was the context that Goering figured out that intervention screwed Germany? Maybe a military leader like Goering that suffered the defeat he suffered talking about non intervention should be somewhere to learn what not to do. Or we can all be low IQ and stupid and go MASTERS QUOTED A NAZI. No wonder this country is in decline.

    Again, I don’t get up in arms about people saying stupid things in their youth.  Just acknowledge it, ok, and deal with it, right?  But he hasn’t done that. (If I am mistaken about that I will apologize.) I happen to think our participation in WW2 was a good and noble thing – Masters does not, unless he’s changed his mind. That tells me something significant about how he views this country and its role in the world. It’s not “low IQ” to question this and yes, quoting Nazis is fraught with potential problems. The intelligent thing is to avoid it, speaking of low IQ…

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  18. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    “He quoted a Nazi” is such a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him. Especially when we are not told what he said or what the context was. That alone makes this attack transparently bogus.

    I’ve used Beria’s famous quote many times: “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” It doesn’t make me a Stalinist. It just means the concept being explained was best summed up by one.

    What did he say and what was the context?

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  19. Painter Jean Member
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    “He quoted a Nazi” is such a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him. Especially when we are not told what he said or what the context was. That alone makes this attack transparently bogus.

    I’ve used Beria’s famous quote many times: “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” It doesn’t make me a Stalinist. It just means the concept being explained was best summed up one.

    What did he say and what was the context?

    “He quoted a Nazi” is not a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him if it sheds some light on how he views our country and its role in the world.

    Here’s the quote from Goering, which was from the Nuremberg trials: “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country”. His (Masters) context was that there had been no just wars in the US since the Civil War. He also, in that essay, mentions as his main source G. Edward Griffith, who has said of the  Protocols of the Elders of Zion,  “There is no doubt that the Protocols accurately describe much of what is happening in our world today.” And Masters also shared an article on Facebook that referred to Israel as “the North Korea of the Middle East” and that the Gaza Strip “has been made a modern concentration camp.”  So yes, Jewish commentators are made nervous by Masters. I don’t blame them. Again, is it really that hard to find a good candidate who hasn’t dabbled with anti-semitism?

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    :: throws down gauntlet ::

    Anyone who claims to be a Republican yet won’t vote for Masters over Kelly is lying about being a Republican.

    Oh my goodness.

    Drew, the difference between you and I is that you see Trump as some sort of victim.

    Where do you get that? I didn’t even mention Trump and you spewed out that word in your first sentence.

    No, the difference is that you call yourself a Republican and yet keep voting for Democrats. I refuse to call myself a Republican but I will never vote Democrat. Because I’m smart enough to know that Democrats are destroying this country. And you don’t give a [REDACTED]. People who suspect you’re really a Democrat have more evidence than they need to be assured of it.

    Once Trump is no longer a threat, I can vote for Masters with a clean conscience.

    This is breathtakingly dumb. I have rarely seen a dumber statement. The country is being destroyed by the Democrats. Nobody gives a [REDACTED] about your conscience. We care about the country. And here you are justifying your vote for its continued destruction.

    Get over yourself.

    Oh, I am over myself.  Are you over losing Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin when the NeverTrumpers turned out and refused to vote for Trump in 2020, while electing Republican legislatures?

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  21. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    :: throws down gauntlet ::

    Anyone who claims to be a Republican yet won’t vote for Masters over Kelly is lying about being a Republican.

    Oh my goodness.

    Drew, the difference between you and I is that you see Trump as some sort of victim.

    Where do you get that? I didn’t even mention Trump and you spewed out that word in your first sentence.

    No, the difference is that you call yourself a Republican and yet keep voting for Democrats. I refuse to call myself a Republican but I will never vote Democrat. Because I’m smart enough to know that Democrats are destroying this country. And you don’t give a [REDACTED]. People who suspect you’re really a Democrat have more evidence than they need to be assured of it.

    Once Trump is no longer a threat, I can vote for Masters with a clean conscience.

    This is breathtakingly dumb. I have rarely seen a dumber statement. The country is being destroyed by the Democrats. Nobody gives a [REDACTED] about your conscience. We care about the country. And here you are justifying your vote for its continued destruction.

    Get over yourself.

    Oh, I am over myself. Are you over losing Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin when the NeverTrumpers turned out and refused to vote for Trump in 2020, while electing Republican legislatures?

    Pride goeth before a fall.

    And it’s a long way down, man.  A long way down.

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  22. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
    GlenEisenhardt
    @GlenEisenhardt

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    “He quoted a Nazi” is such a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him. Especially when we are not told what he said or what the context was. That alone makes this attack transparently bogus.

    I’ve used Beria’s famous quote many times: “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” It doesn’t make me a Stalinist. It just means the concept being explained was best summed up one.

    What did he say and what was the context?

    “He quoted a Nazi” is not a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him if it sheds some light on how he views our country and its role in the world.

    Here’s the quote from Goering, which was from the Nuremberg trials: “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country”. His (Masters) context was that there had been no just wars in the US since the Civil War. He also, in that essay, mentions as his main source G. Edward Griffith, who has said of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, “There is no doubt that the Protocols accurately describe much of what is happening in our world today.” And Masters also shared an article on Facebook that referred to Israel as “the North Korea of the Middle East” and that the Gaza Strip “has been made a modern concentration camp.” So yes, Jewish commentators are made nervous by Masters. I don’t blame them. Again, is it really that hard to find a good candidate who hasn’t dabbled with anti-semitism?

    It seems to me Masters was a libertarian as a young man. Libertarians are notoriously against any kind of military involvement and would argue against involvement in WW2. Many libertarians are also heavily against Israel. Masters seems to have moved on from this libertarian worldview. Some people were Marxists when they were young like Thomas Sowell. Should he be purged as well? 

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  23. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
    Justin Other Lawyer
    @DouglasMyers

    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    “He quoted a Nazi” is such a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him. Especially when we are not told what he said or what the context was. That alone makes this attack transparently bogus.

    I’ve used Beria’s famous quote many times: “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” It doesn’t make me a Stalinist. It just means the concept being explained was best summed up one.

    What did he say and what was the context?

    “He quoted a Nazi” is not a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him if it sheds some light on how he views our country and its role in the world.

    Here’s the quote from Goering, which was from the Nuremberg trials: “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country”. His (Masters) context was that there had been no just wars in the US since the Civil War. He also, in that essay, mentions as his main source G. Edward Griffith, who has said of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, “There is no doubt that the Protocols accurately describe much of what is happening in our world today.” And Masters also shared an article on Facebook that referred to Israel as “the North Korea of the Middle East” and that the Gaza Strip “has been made a modern concentration camp.” So yes, Jewish commentators are made nervous by Masters. I don’t blame them. Again, is it really that hard to find a good candidate who hasn’t dabbled with anti-semitism?

    It seems to me Masters was a libertarian as a young man. Libertarians are notoriously against any kind of military involvement and would argue against involvement in WW2. Many libertarians are also heavily against Israel. Masters seems to have moved on from this libertarian worldview. Some people were Marxists when they were young like Thomas Sowell. Should he be purged as well?

    This is all true, but Jean’s point is still well-taken.  Masters seems very reluctant to disavow/modify/clarify those views.  Which ones does he still hold to and which ones mark a season of heady youthful foolishness?  It’s not crazy to ask that of a candidate.

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  24. Painter Jean Member
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    “He quoted a Nazi” is such a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him. Especially when we are not told what he said or what the context was. That alone makes this attack transparently bogus.

    I’ve used Beria’s famous quote many times: “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” It doesn’t make me a Stalinist. It just means the concept being explained was best summed up one.

    What did he say and what was the context?

    “He quoted a Nazi” is not a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him if it sheds some light on how he views our country and its role in the world.

    Here’s the quote from Goering, which was from the Nuremberg trials: “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country”. His (Masters) context was that there had been no just wars in the US since the Civil War. He also, in that essay, mentions as his main source G. Edward Griffith, who has said of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, “There is no doubt that the Protocols accurately describe much of what is happening in our world today.” And Masters also shared an article on Facebook that referred to Israel as “the North Korea of the Middle East” and that the Gaza Strip “has been made a modern concentration camp.” So yes, Jewish commentators are made nervous by Masters. I don’t blame them. Again, is it really that hard to find a good candidate who hasn’t dabbled with anti-semitism?

    It seems to me Masters was a libertarian as a young man. Libertarians are notoriously against any kind of military involvement and would argue against involvement in WW2. Many libertarians are also heavily against Israel. Masters seems to have moved on from this libertarian worldview. Some people were Marxists when they were young like Thomas Sowell. Should he be purged as well?

    I don’t believe that he has addressed those items that might lead to charges of anti-semitism. And I maintain that it ought to be possible to find a candidate who doesn’t  have this baggage. You can be sure that the Dems will use this against him in the general election, and they might well prevail. 

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  25. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
    GlenEisenhardt
    @GlenEisenhardt

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    “He quoted a Nazi” is such a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him. Especially when we are not told what he said or what the context was. That alone makes this attack transparently bogus.

    I’ve used Beria’s famous quote many times: “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” It doesn’t make me a Stalinist. It just means the concept being explained was best summed up one.

    What did he say and what was the context?

    “He quoted a Nazi” is not a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him if it sheds some light on how he views our country and its role in the world.

    Here’s the quote from Goering, which was from the Nuremberg trials: “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country”. His (Masters) context was that there had been no just wars in the US since the Civil War. He also, in that essay, mentions as his main source G. Edward Griffith, who has said of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, “There is no doubt that the Protocols accurately describe much of what is happening in our world today.” And Masters also shared an article on Facebook that referred to Israel as “the North Korea of the Middle East” and that the Gaza Strip “has been made a modern concentration camp.” So yes, Jewish commentators are made nervous by Masters. I don’t blame them. Again, is it really that hard to find a good candidate who hasn’t dabbled with anti-semitism?

    It seems to me Masters was a libertarian as a young man. Libertarians are notoriously against any kind of military involvement and would argue against involvement in WW2. Many libertarians are also heavily against Israel. Masters seems to have moved on from this libertarian worldview. Some people were Marxists when they were young like Thomas Sowell. Should he be purged as well?

    I don’t believe that he has addressed those items that might lead to charges of anti-semitism. And I maintain that it ought to be possible to find a candidate who doesn’t have this baggage. You can be sure that the Dems will use this against him in the general election, and they might well prevail.

    He shouldn’t address them because it’s nonsense. The entire leftist apparatus hates the state of Israel and are openly hostile to it. Are you kidding me?  

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  26. Painter Jean Member
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    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    “He quoted a Nazi” is such a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him. Especially when we are not told what he said or what the context was. That alone makes this attack transparently bogus.

    I’ve used Beria’s famous quote many times: “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” It doesn’t make me a Stalinist. It just means the concept being explained was best summed up one.

    What did he say and what was the context?

    “He quoted a Nazi” is not a ridiculous thing to use as a reason to oppose him if it sheds some light on how he views our country and its role in the world.

    Here’s the quote from Goering, which was from the Nuremberg trials: “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country”. His (Masters) context was that there had been no just wars in the US since the Civil War. He also, in that essay, mentions as his main source G. Edward Griffith, who has said of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, “There is no doubt that the Protocols accurately describe much of what is happening in our world today.” And Masters also shared an article on Facebook that referred to Israel as “the North Korea of the Middle East” and that the Gaza Strip “has been made a modern concentration camp.” So yes, Jewish commentators are made nervous by Masters. I don’t blame them. Again, is it really that hard to find a good candidate who hasn’t dabbled with anti-semitism?

    It seems to me Masters was a libertarian as a young man. Libertarians are notoriously against any kind of military involvement and would argue against involvement in WW2. Many libertarians are also heavily against Israel. Masters seems to have moved on from this libertarian worldview. Some people were Marxists when they were young like Thomas Sowell. Should he be purged as well?

     

    He shouldn’t address them because it’s nonsense. The entire leftist apparatus hates the state of Israel and are openly hostile to it. Are you kidding me?

    No, I’m not kidding you. Yes, the leftist apparatus hates Israel – I agree with you – but they will highlight Masters’s remarks in an effort to turn off independents and moderates. Yes, I know some of you think that you can win general elections with only a Trump-y base, but I am very doubtful. It’s an unforced error. They should have found a better candidate.

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  27. Titus Techera Contributor
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    At some point, we have to stop with the fantastic moralism. The reality is, Masters won the nomination despite everything thrown at him. Do you want him in the Senate or do you want Dems to hold on to it? Let’s stop pretending it’s such a big deal that he was a libertarian college kid. America is way past that-

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  28. Painter Jean Member
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    Titus Techera (View Comment):

    At some point, we have to stop with the fantastic moralism. The reality is, Masters won the nomination despite everything thrown at him. Do you want him in the Senate or do you want Dems to hold on to it? Let’s stop pretending it’s such a big deal that he was a libertarian college kid. America is way past that-

    Easy for you to say. You’re not Jewish. 

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  29. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Titus Techera (View Comment):

    At some point, we have to stop with the fantastic moralism. The reality is, Masters won the nomination despite everything thrown at him. Do you want him in the Senate or do you want Dems to hold on to it? Let’s stop pretending it’s such a big deal that he was a libertarian college kid. America is way past that-

    Easy for you to say. You’re not Jewish.

    I am. And Jews overwhelmingly vote for an anti-semetic Israel hating party. The democrats cater to black nationalist anti-semites. They cater to Muslim anti-semites and have a couple of them in Congress themselves. The idea that Masters is the one that needs to explain himself is a joke. The democrats should and so should democrat jews who vote for people who hate them. And we don’t need moralizing or lectures from anyone on that side. Jew or Gentile. 

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  30. Gary Robbins Member
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    Titus Techera (View Comment):

    At some point, we have to stop with the fantastic moralism. The reality is, Masters won the nomination despite everything thrown at him. Do you want him in the Senate or do you want Dems to hold on to it? Let’s stop pretending it’s such a big deal that he was a libertarian college kid. America is way past that-

    Masters had less than 40% of the vote, despite having the Trump endorsement.  

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