Where Are the Hurricanes?

 

Here we are at the beginning of August, and we are only up to Georgette in the Pacific.  This is NOAA’s hurricane prediction for 2022:

 

When I look at those spreads on the right, I see tons of wiggle room (I’m surprised they don’t have 1-26 for named storms).  Nonetheless, I just realized we haven’t had any big storms yet that I know of.  What’s a climate change activist to do?

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  1. Steven Seward Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The best part of the McIntyre-McKittfick dissection of the hockey stick was when random numbers were used instead of the study data–and the methodology stick yielded a hockey stick anyway

    Yep!  That tells it all.

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  2. Steven Seward Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

     

    Hide the Decline

    That was a brilliant parody!

     

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  3. Old Bathos Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    They also don’t want their “studies” scrutinized,

    I read a book written by the guy who debunked the hockey stick graph, named Steven Mcintyre. In his efforts to verify (or debunk) Michael Mann’s hockey stick graph that showed an uptick in Global Warming during the 20th Century, he fought an uphill battle to try and look at Mann’s calculations and methodology. Mann completely clammed up when asked and would not share his information until a court order compelled him to do so. When Mann finally complied, what he did with his enormous data was to print everything out on stacks of paper more than a couple of feet high, rather than providing the digitized spread sheets and Microsoft excel files that could be easily mined for important information. Instead Mcintyre was forced to wade through tens of thousands of paper pages by hand to find the relevant facts and figures he was looking for. I think he finally got the University that Mann worked for, and thus owned the rights to his research, to provide him with the easily searchable digital files.

    If I had irrefutable evidence that the Earth was getting unusually warmer, I would be going out of my way to provide my research to every relevant scientist on earth. As Mcintyre discovered, he had been the first such scientist to ask to review the hockey stick research five years after it had been published. Nobody else had ever bothered to investigate this supposed “bombshell” revelation until he came along.

    The “climategate” leaked emails showed extraordinary wagon-circling to prevent access to data. There was also some speculation about whether it was worth it for this group to keep supporting Mann.

    The best part of the McIntyre-McKittfick dissection of the hockey stick was when random numbers were used instead of the study data–and the methodology stick yielded a hockey stick anyway.

    I was having a chat last night with a smart, well-educated woman of the left. She said she’d just discovered a Facebook group of people who lived in her county (D.C. area) who were calling for an end to peer review, and she asked me what I thought of peer review.

    I said that I was in favor of it because I think it’s a valuable part of the process, but that there were enough examples of irreproducible results and biased review to encourage skepticism of everything. I mentioned the Hadley/CRU climategate email dump and what it revealed about corruption of the review and publishing processes — and her eyes kind of glazed over: she’d never heard of it.

    Hide the Decline

    Who needs peer review when undergraduates in the department have Twitter to establish the political salience of a paper. And if the professional peers are doing essentially the same thing, why bother.

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  4. The Reticulator Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I was having a chat last night with a smart, well-educated woman of the left. She said she’d just discovered a Facebook group of people who lived in her county (D.C. area) who were calling for an end to peer review, and she asked me what I thought of peer review.

    We shouldn’t expect Expert-Americans to have their ideas challenged or even reviewed.  The experts are right, and that’s all that’s necessary.

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  5. Henry Racette Member
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    @HenryRacette

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I was having a chat last night with a smart, well-educated woman of the left. She said she’d just discovered a Facebook group of people who lived in her county (D.C. area) who were calling for an end to peer review, and she asked me what I thought of peer review.

    We shouldn’t expect Expert-Americans to have their ideas challenged or even reviewed. The experts are right, and that’s all that’s necessary.

    And that is precisely the great danger, this ossification of credentialed expertise and its gradual transformation into a protected elite class immune to questions or criticism.

    Anyone who claims to value science but is in favor of censoring and silencing critics is the worst kind of intellectual scoundrel.

     

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  6. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The PTB modify the weather.

    This is quite an extreme claim. I’m no meteorologist, but it strikes me as violating the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics, the principles of Conservation of Energy and of Angular Momentum, and Newton’s Third Law of Motion. (There. That’s my physics education in a nutshell.). To create or to obviate a storm would require the expenditure of billions of joules of energy, more than Mankind’s generating capacity.

    Can you provide some evidence of this droll claim?

    @henryracette

    As stated many times before, there is a great deal of proof.

    It is the type of proof that the good Allen Savory discusses in the article I wrote early this am:

    https://ricochet.com/1295684/allan-savory-alarmed-that-academia-is-killing-off-science/

    With the thesis of this article being that “peer reviewed published articles” inform us of little while detailed observations made by individuals are important. As are statements of experts in the fields concerning the observations.

    Read the article and then let me know you have read it.

    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence  regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence.

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  7. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The PTB modify the weather.

    This is quite an extreme claim. I’m no meteorologist, but it strikes me as violating the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics, the principles of Conservation of Energy and of Angular Momentum, and Newton’s Third Law of Motion. (There. That’s my physics education in a nutshell.). To create or to obviate a storm would require the expenditure of billions of joules of energy, more than Mankind’s generating capacity.

    Can you provide some evidence of this droll claim?

    @ henryracette

    As stated many times before, there is a great deal of proof.

    It is the type of proof that the good Allen Savory discusses in the article I wrote early this am:

    https://ricochet.com/1295684/allan-savory-alarmed-that-academia-is-killing-off-science/

    With the thesis of this article being that “peer reviewed published articles” inform us of little while detailed observations made by individuals are important. As are statements of experts in the fields concerning the observations.

    Read the article and then let me know you have read it.

    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence.

    I read the article.

    I’m sympathetic to the argument that the peer review process is broken, even that it is sometimes an impediment to progress. It’s designed to be an impediment of a sort, a way of giving greater weight to results that have been reproduced and tested than to new results that have little experimental support. That’s probably a good thing, in general. Ideas have to fight to gain acceptance. New ideas should face a bit of an up-hill battle, because most new ideas are wrong.

    Peer review can be abused, obviously. That should be fought, but scientists are people too so there will always be process failures. And there’s a built-in bias in peer reviewed publication, a tendency to accept “positive” experimental results rather than results which tend to cast doubt on widely accepted understanding. There are some interesting efforts to correct for that, in that some publications are now agreeing to publish even before the experiments are performed — and to publish regardless of the results — based solely on the methodology presented by the experimenter. That makes it easier for research deemed sound to get published even if the results aren’t what established understanding expected.

    Weather control? Other than in trivial cases of local cloud seeding and urban heat island effects, I’m very skeptical. I’ll be happy to look at evidence, so long as it seems coherent and well-documented, scientifically sound, etc. But it’s going to be a heavy lift for me, for a few reasons.

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  8. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Weather control? Other than in trivial cases of local cloud seeding and urban heat island effects, I’m very skeptical. I’ll be happy to look at evidence, so long as it seems coherent and well-documented, scientifically sound, etc. But it’s going to be a heavy lift for me, for a few reasons.

    I have no dog in this fight, so I’m not going to argue for anything very strongly, but chaos theory is huge in weather phenomena because of the very interconnected nature of the global climate and the unknown variables. We have no way of knowing if something minor could affect weather patterns and I wouldn’t put it past academics to consider this kind of experimentation fair game.

    Its a possible, but not one I’m betting on.

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  9. Steven Seward Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence

    You are going to have to provide some unusually rock-solid evidence to convince me that anyone can control the weather, even with satellites and radar.  This would be a revolutionary scientific breakthrough.

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  10. Miffed White Male Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence  regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence.

    Isn’t there something in the COC about not posting stuff that makes us look like a bunch of fruitcakes?

     

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  11. Henry Racette Member
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    @HenryRacette

    Stina (View Comment):

    Weather control? Other than in trivial cases of local cloud seeding and urban heat island effects, I’m very skeptical. I’ll be happy to look at evidence, so long as it seems coherent and well-documented, scientifically sound, etc. But it’s going to be a heavy lift for me, for a few reasons.

    I have no dog in this fight, so I’m not going to argue for anything very strongly, but chaos theory is huge in weather phenomena because of the very interconnected nature of the global climate and the unknown variables. We have no way of knowing if something minor could affect weather patterns and I wouldn’t put it past academics to consider this kind of experimentation fair game.

    Its a possible, but not one I’m betting on.

    Experimentation wouldn’t surprise me. I actually have a tiny bit of knowledge of that, in that a close friend of mine spent years doing lightning research, and that included inducing lightning in certain remote mountainous areas in order to study its formation and to develop ways of protecting against it.

    But you’re exactly right, Stina (and we need to stop agreeing about things), chaotic systems are notoriously difficult to control in any meaningful sense. I’m very skeptical that anything we would think of as weather “control” has been accomplished anywhere — other than, again, some local brute-force stuff like seeding clouds, changing albedo over a small area, etc.

    (Generating cloud cover is actually an interesting possible solution to problems of global warming, anthropogenic or otherwise. For a surprisingly small amount of money, it seems plausible that we could use ocean spray to generate cloud cover and increase reflectivity over the world’s oceans. I’ve read of proposals involving what are essentially automated sailboats that simply travel the oceans, endlessly kicking up spray and lofting it into the atmosphere. I don’t know how practical it really is.)

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  12. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence.

    Isn’t there something in the COC about not posting stuff that makes us look like a bunch of fruitcakes?

    I’m not sure there’s anything anymore that would make conspiracy thinkers look like fruitcakes. If a macadam road can cause it to rain, who knows what else can cause a weather event.

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  13. Steven Seward Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence.

    Isn’t there something in the COC about not posting stuff that makes us look like a bunch of fruitcakes?

    I’m not sure there’s anything anymore that would make conspiracy thinkers look like fruitcakes. If a macadam road can cause it to rain, who knows what else can cause a weather event.

    A macadam road can cause rain?  This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere.

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  14. Stad Coolidge
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    @Stad

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    They also don’t want their “studies” scrutinized,

    I read a book written by the guy who debunked the hockey stick graph, named Steven Mcintyre. In his efforts to verify (or debunk) Michael Mann’s hockey stick graph that showed an uptick in Global Warming during the 20th Century, he fought an uphill battle to try and look at Mann’s calculations and methodology. Mann completely clammed up when asked and would not share his information until a court order compelled him to do so. When Mann finally complied, what he did with his enormous data was to print everything out on stacks of paper more than a couple of feet high, rather than providing the digitized spread sheets and Microsoft excel files that could be easily mined for important information. Instead Mcintyre was forced to wade through tens of thousands of paper pages by hand to find the relevant facts and figures he was looking for. I think he finally got the University that Mann worked for, and thus owned the rights to his research, to provide him with the easily searchable digital files.

    If I had irrefutable evidence that the Earth was getting unusually warmer, I would be going out of my way to provide my research to every relevant scientist on earth. As Mcintyre discovered, he had been the first such scientist to ask to review the hockey stick research five years after it had been published. Nobody else had ever bothered to investigate this supposed “bombshell” revelation until he came along.

    The “climategate” leaked emails showed extraordinary wagon-circling to prevent access to data. There was also some speculation about whether it was worth it for this group to keep supporting Mann.

    The best part of the McIntyre-McKittfick dissection of the hockey stick was when random numbers were used instead of the study data–and the methodology stick yielded a hockey stick anyway.

    I was having a chat last night with a smart, well-educated woman of the left. She said she’d just discovered a Facebook group of people who lived in her county (D.C. area) who were calling for an end to peer review, and she asked me what I thought of peer review.

    I said that I was in favor of it because I think it’s a valuable part of the process, but that there were enough examples of irreproducible results and biased review to encourage skepticism of everything. I mentioned the Hadley/CRU climategate email dump and what it revealed about corruption of the review and publishing processes — and her eyes kind of glazed over: she’d never heard of it.

    Hide the Decline

    Brilliant!

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  15. Stad Coolidge
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    @Stad

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence.

    Isn’t there something in the COC about not posting stuff that makes us look like a bunch of fruitcakes?

     

    There was, but a team of lawyers backed by George Soros met with the senior Ricochet leadership and negotiated a deal to help take over the world.  Ricochet ends up ruling Aruba, where it can implement The Great Reset for that island . . .

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  16. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    The problem with the man-made climate change theory is that it isn’t scientific. Sure, they have historical data ( some currently being rewritten or deleted) on which to base their claims, but almost all of them use modeling to “prove” we’re all going to die by ___ (pick a year) if we don’t change everything about the way we live.

    They also don’t want their “studies” scrutinized, and anyone who challenges their assertions is a “climate denier” (which is a stupid term because we’re not denying the climate, just the hoax). Their studies are also not scientific because they cannot be (or are not allowed to be) subjected to Karl Popper’s Falsificastion Theory, which states a theory isn’t scientific if it cannot be tested, or isn’t capable of being proven false.

    The historical data works against the theory depending on the timeframe. The earth was warmer than today in periods pre-industrialization. And we’ve also been in a period without warming for 20? years or so? Which is completely inexplicable given the theories of catastrophic human-caused climate change. Hoax.

    And there’s this:

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  17. Flicker Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence.

    Isn’t there something in the COC about not posting stuff that makes us look like a bunch of fruitcakes?

    I’m not sure there’s anything anymore that would make conspiracy thinkers look like fruitcakes. If a macadam road can cause it to rain, who knows what else can cause a weather event.

    A macadam road can cause rain? This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere.

    You’re joking, right?  Sure it can.

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  18. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The PTB modify the weather.

    This is quite an extreme claim. I’m no meteorologist, but it strikes me as violating the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics, the principles of Conservation of Energy and of Angular Momentum, and Newton’s Third Law of Motion. (There. That’s my physics education in a nutshell.). To create or to obviate a storm would require the expenditure of billions of joules of energy, more than Mankind’s generating capacity.

    Can you provide some evidence of this droll claim?

    @ henryracette

    As stated many times before, there is a great deal of proof.

    It is the type of proof that the good Allen Savory discusses in the article I wrote early this am:

    https://ricochet.com/1295684/allan-savory-alarmed-that-academia-is-killing-off-science/

    With the thesis of this article being that “peer reviewed published articles” inform us of little while detailed observations made by individuals are important. As are statements of experts in the fields concerning the observations.

    Read the article and then let me know you have read it.

    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence.

    I read the article.

    I’m sympathetic to the argument that the peer review process is broken, even that it is sometimes an impediment to progress. It’s designed to be an impediment of a sort, a way of giving greater weight to results that have been reproduced and tested than to new results that have little experimental support. That’s probably a good thing, in general. Ideas have to fight to gain acceptance. New ideas should face a bit of an up-hill battle, because most new ideas are wrong.

    SNIP

    Thanks for reading the article on Savory and peer review and for your astute remarks in reply.

    As far as Weather Mod, I will be putting forth the arguments by mid week in its own OP.

    There are two groups of people who usually stand on opposing sides:

    First there are the urban dwellers who say “Nay! Not possible! It is all airliners and resulting con trails.”

    When my spouse was driving the state for business reasons, usually listening to various radio stations, if any mention was made about weather modification while he was in a big city, it was quickly labeled “Conspiracy Theory.”

    But out on the open road, when the subject came up in rural areas, it was taken as fact.

    Why? Maybe because  the rural dwellers understand  that it is not possible for a poke-y little place like Lake County Calif  to have 75 planes all in the sky at one time, all  flying at wildly banking angles to leave our skies like this:

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  19. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence

    You are going to have to provide some unusually rock-solid evidence to convince me that anyone can control the weather, even with satellites and radar. This would be a revolutionary scientific breakthrough.

    First of all coming up against the “accepted viewpoint” of any debated situation  means that “proof” might be difficult to bring forward.

    But strong evidence is not difficult.

    Remember I was considered “Conspiracy Theorist” when COV made its debut. I was here early on saying “it is not abt two weeks to flatten the curve.”

    I was here early on saying “Remedies exist to combat COV that do not involve the harsh drugs like remdesivir, or rocephin, and that certainly do not involve intubation and its scanty 10% survival rate.”

    I was here early on to say “Just wait and see – once the COV vaxxes are released, you will have to choose between an experimental jab and keeping your job or forgoing the participation and losing it…”

    Oh the people who scoffed at me in May 2020 through until – well until just about til three weeks ago.

    Anyway mid week I will be pounding my manifesto into the tough old wooden surface of the “accepted weather mod paradigm.”

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  20. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The PTB modify the weather.

    This is quite an extreme claim. I’m no meteorologist, but it strikes me as violating the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics, the principles of Conservation of Energy and of Angular Momentum, and Newton’s Third Law of Motion. (There. That’s my physics education in a nutshell.). To create or to obviate a storm would require the expenditure of billions of joules of energy, more than Mankind’s generating capacity.

    Can you provide some evidence of this droll claim?

    @ henryracette

    As stated many times before, there is a great deal of proof.

    It is the type of proof that the good Allen Savory discusses in the article I wrote early this am:

    https://ricochet.com/1295684/allan-savory-alarmed-that-academia-is-killing-off-science/

    With the thesis of this article being that “peer reviewed published articles” inform us of little while detailed observations made by individuals are important. As are statements of experts in the fields concerning the observations.

    Read the article and then let me know you have read it.

    Then I will establish a great deal of very concerning evidence regarding Manipulation of Weather by a combination of chem trails, and discharges of microwave energies from both satellites and radar “NEXRAD” stations. As well as other evidence.

    Thanks for reading the article on Savory and peer review and for your astute remarks in reply.

    But out on the open road, when the subject came up in rural areas, it was taken as fact.

    Why? Maybe because the rural dwellers understand that it is not possible for a poke-y little place like Lake County Calif to have 75 planes all in the sky at one time, all flying at wildly banking angles to leave our skies like this:

    That seems like a testable hypothesis. There must be records of commercial flight paths that could be consulted. I suppose military aircraft wouldn’t be included in that, but it would be a place to start.

    It would also be interesting to know what atmospheric factors contribute to the intensity and longevity of contrails.

    I’d have to see a serious digging into that kind of thing before I entertained the idea that something sinister was going on.

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  21. The Reticulator Member
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    @TheReticulator

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    There are some interesting efforts to correct for that, in that some publications are now agreeing to publish even before the experiments are performed — and to publish regardless of the results — based solely on the methodology presented by the experimenter. That makes it easier for research deemed sound to get published even if the results aren’t what established understanding expected.

    I hadn’t heard about that. Do you have any examples? I’m curious about the fields of study in which that is happening. 

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  22. Old Bathos Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    There are some interesting efforts to correct for that, in that some publications are now agreeing to publish even before the experiments are performed — and to publish regardless of the results — based solely on the methodology presented by the experimenter. That makes it easier for research deemed sound to get published even if the results aren’t what established understanding expected.

    I hadn’t heard about that. Do you have any examples? I’m curious about the fields of study in which that is happening.

    The key thing is getting those first dubious results out there in time for the IPO.

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  23. The Reticulator Member
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    @TheReticulator

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    There are some interesting efforts to correct for that, in that some publications are now agreeing to publish even before the experiments are performed — and to publish regardless of the results — based solely on the methodology presented by the experimenter. That makes it easier for research deemed sound to get published even if the results aren’t what established understanding expected.

    I hadn’t heard about that. Do you have any examples? I’m curious about the fields of study in which that is happening.

    The key thing is getting those first dubious results out there in time for the IPO.

    I thought he was referring to scientific research.

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  24. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Why? Maybe because the rural dwellers understand that it is not possible for a poke-y little place like Lake County Calif to have 75 planes all in the sky at one time, all flying at wildly banking angles to leave our skies like this:

    That seems like a testable hypothesis. There must be records of commercial flight paths that could be consulted. I suppose military aircraft wouldn’t be included in that, but it would be a place to start.

    Looking at the current FlightRadar, it seems that Lake County is on the approach path to SFO, which is a very busy airport.

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  25. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Why? Maybe because the rural dwellers understand that it is not possible for a poke-y little place like Lake County Calif to have 75 planes all in the sky at one time, all flying at wildly banking angles to leave our skies like this:

    That seems like a testable hypothesis. There must be records of commercial flight paths that could be consulted. I suppose military aircraft wouldn’t be included in that, but it would be a place to start.

    Looking at the current FlightRadar, it seems that Lake County is on the approach path to SFO, which is a very busy airport.

    Maybe the chem trail demons are just targeting busy airports?  Is that the real reason airports have mask mandates??

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  26. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    There are some interesting efforts to correct for that, in that some publications are now agreeing to publish even before the experiments are performed — and to publish regardless of the results — based solely on the methodology presented by the experimenter. That makes it easier for research deemed sound to get published even if the results aren’t what established understanding expected.

    I hadn’t heard about that. Do you have any examples? I’m curious about the fields of study in which that is happening.

    The key thing is getting those first dubious results out there in time for the IPO.

    Heh.

    But no. I heard about it on a podcast, but I’m not sure which. It was awhile back.

    The issue is that there is apparently a bias toward publishing experimental results that support, rather than contradict, previously published results. On the one hand, this provides that resistance to radical departure that we’d like, to protect us from bad ideas creeping in unchecked. Unfortunately, it also tends to mask a real problem in research — and even in true scientific research — of hard-to-reproduce results being accepted as valid because contrary results are not being reported.

    In the soft- and pseudo-sciences, irreproducibility is a crisis: when less than half of your published results are reproducible by other researchers, something is wrong. It’s better it the hard sciences, but I haven’t looked for stats on reproducibility and so don’t know how much of an issue it is. (And, of course, if there’s a supporting-research-gets-published bias, we might not know how much of an issue it is.)

    The approach to publication I described struck me as making a lot of sense. As I understood it, what the publisher was doing was saying that, if the researchers presented a methodology that passed peer review, then they would agree to publish the results regardless of the outcome of the experiment, so long as the experiment was conducted per the methodology. There’s a logic to that, a kind of objectivity, that I like.

    I don’t know how well it’s worked out.

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  27. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    There are some interesting efforts to correct for that, in that some publications are now agreeing to publish even before the experiments are performed — and to publish regardless of the results — based solely on the methodology presented by the experimenter. That makes it easier for research deemed sound to get published even if the results aren’t what established understanding expected.

    I hadn’t heard about that. Do you have any examples? I’m curious about the fields of study in which that is happening.

    The key thing is getting those first dubious results out there in time for the IPO.

    Heh.

    But no. I heard about it on a podcast, but I’m not sure which. It was awhile back.

    The issue is that there is apparently a bias toward publishing experimental results that support, rather than contradict, previously published results. On the one hand, this provides that resistance to radical departure that we’d like, to protect us from bad ideas creeping in unchecked. Unfortunately, it also tends to mask a real problem in research — and even in true scientific research — of hard-to-reproduce results being accepted as valid because contrary results are not being reported.

    In the soft- and pseudo-sciences, irreproducibility is a crisis: when less than half of your published results are reproducible by other researchers, something is wrong. It’s better it the hard sciences, but I haven’t looked for stats on reproducibility and so don’t know how much of an issue it is. (And, of course, if there’s a supporting-research-gets-published bias, we might not know how much of an issue it is.)

    The approach to publication I described struck me as making a lot of sense. As I understood it, what the publisher was doing was saying that, if the researchers presented a methodology that passed peer review, then they would agree to publish the results regardless of the outcome of the experiment, so long as the experiment was conducted per the methodology. There’s a logic to that, a kind of objectivity, that I like.

    I don’t know how well it’s worked out.

    “Registered Reports.” A quick internet search tells me that’s the term that is used for this style of research and publication.  I also found this opinion article by one researcher on her attempt to use this method: Peer review of methods before study’s onset may benefit science.

    The article was published in 2018 and says that nearly 150 journals at that time accepted Registered Reports as well as the traditional form of research submissions.  I’d still like to learn more about which scientific disciplines are doing registered reports.

     

     

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  28. Stad Coolidge
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    @Stad

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    The issue is that there is apparently a bias toward publishing experimental results that support, rather than contradict, previously published results.

    I don’t mind this so much as long as they don’t try to keep others from discovering and using the contrarian evidence to disprove the proposed theory . . .

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  29. Henry Racette Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    The issue is that there is apparently a bias toward publishing experimental results that support, rather than contradict, previously published results.

    I don’t mind this so much as long as they don’t try to keep others from discovering and using the contrarian evidence to disprove the proposed theory . . .

    Yes, I also am pretty ambivalent about the whole thing. What is intolerable, to me, is what went on in the climate science community as revealed in the Hadley/CRU email dump, when editors were pressured by prominent researchers to reject certain papers that had passed peer review, or hadn’t yet been reviewed.

    As long as that kind of thing doesn’t happen, and as long as dissenting opinions are not criminalized or censored (both of which are, unfortunately, supported by some people in the climate sciences), I figure the process will eventually work.

    Until the Wuhan coronavirus, the climate science community was the worst offender. Now I suppose it’s climate science and public health. It apparently takes a lot of censorship to keep a crisis alive.

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  30. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    The issue is that there is apparently a bias toward publishing experimental results that support, rather than contradict, previously published results.

    I don’t mind this so much as long as they don’t try to keep others from discovering and using the contrarian evidence to disprove the proposed theory . . .

    Yes, I also am pretty ambivalent about the whole thing. What is intolerable, to me, is what went on in the climate science community as revealed in the Hadley/CRU email dump, when editors were pressured by prominent researchers to reject certain papers that had passed peer review, or hadn’t yet been reviewed.

    As long as that kind of thing doesn’t happen, and as long as dissenting opinions are not criminalized or censored (both of which are, unfortunately, supported by some people in the climate sciences), I figure the process will eventually work.

    Until the Wuhan coronavirus, the climate science community was the worst offender. Now I suppose it’s climate science and public health. It apparently takes a lot of censorship to keep a crisis alive.

    And despite the attempts at censorship, the truth eventually worms its way into the light . . .

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