Trudeau to Impose 30% Reduction in Fertilizer Use

 

In order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the Canadian PM wants to reduce fertilizer use by 30% by 2030. A totally impracticable goal that will reduce farm productivity, massively cut farm income, and essentially eliminate Canada’s agricultural exports.

But the news has been met with disdain by farm and agriculture groups in the country that argue imposing such restrictions will shift production to higher-cost, less efficient countries.

“The world is looking for Canada to increase production and be a solution to global food shortages. The federal government needs to display that they understand this,” Alberta Minister of Agriculture Nate Horner said last week in response to the news.

Farming is a major sector of the Canadian economy. In 2021, the country exported nearly $82.2 billion in agriculture and food products, and the agriculture and agrifood sector accounts for roughly 6.8% of its annual gross domestic product.

So I think the real question is: why do they hate Black, Brown, and Yellow peoples. If Canada follows through with this insane plan, Canada’s ability to export any agricultural products would disappear. This will lead to shortages and higher prices here – but starvation in Africa, South and East Asia. Why do liberals hate these people so much that they’d starve them?

Could it be, that they’ve failed mathematics (not to mention logic and ethics) so completely that they don’t understand that their policy to save future peoples from a theoretical environmental disaster hundreds of years in the future will kill people now?

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  1. Percival Thatcher
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    Far less trouble, and far cheaper, to eliminate the politicians proposing this nonsense.

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  2. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    I have heard some theory that this is part or a land grab.  Small to middle size farms will become unprofitable with this move.  They will have to sell. 

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  3. MarciN Member
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    Mass starvation, war, . . . 

    The spirit of Mao is alive and well. 

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  4. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Mr. Trudeau is apparently unaware of what just happened in Sri Lanka.  Someone should tell him.

    And if, perchance, he actually DID know what happened in Sri Lanka, then all Canadians should be on their way to Ottawa right now.  With torches & pitchforks.  Why wait until they’re starving?

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  5. Vance Richards Inactive
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    Less Fertilizer = Less Food = Less People = Less Carbon emissions 

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  6. Ekosj Member
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    I mentioned elsewhere …

    I just heard that not only animal agriculture but ALL agriculture is destroying the planet.

    George Monbiot: “Agriculture is arguably the most destructive industry on Earth”

     

    Even vegans are t safe…

    https://brandnewtube.com/watch/plant-agriculture-is-destroying-the-planet-must-watch_vG8qFqRqLTRJLSg.html

    It appears to be an organized campaign against modern human activity.   Energy.  Transportation.  Economics.   Agriculture.   Parson Malthus says “Told’ja so”

     

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  7. MarciN Member
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    I was sitting outside thinking about this a little bit more. The use of microorganisms in agriculture is a relatively new but exciting field of study and practice. It may compensate for the nitrogen and phosphorus that have become fertilizer pariahs. :-) Perhaps the agricultural industry will figure out how to make up for the loss of nitrogen. Perhaps there won’t be the disaster I first envisioned. 

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  8. Stad Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN: In order to reduce Green House Gas emissions, the Canadian PM wants to reduce fertilizer use by 30% by 2030.

    Which will be offset by the greenhouse gases emitting from all the rotting corpses of citizens who died of starvation . . .

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  9. Ekosj Member
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    It’s all part and parcel of the “Degrowth” movement…

    How do we do it? First we need to reverse all the pro-growth policies as soon as possible. That means all the policies—including fiscal, monetary, and trade policies—that incentivize or conduce larger family sizes and higher per capita consumption. We literally want to achieve a degrowing GDP for some period of time, especially by cutting out the fat such as gas hogs, mansions, yachts, corporate palaces, and palatial government offices.

    We need to explicitly adopt a decreasing GDP as a policy goal—a slowly and steadily decreasing GDP in the wealthier countries—until a healthily sized economy is here again.

    As the European degrowth movement emphasizes, though, it’s not all about GDP. Degrowth entails a radical departure from the social status quo. It means different values, less work hours, deliberately lower consumption…an attitude of “enough” instead of perpetually more. It is worthy of political focus: a capitalized “Degrowth” movement that is truly green; greener than any “green growth” agenda and more focused on limits to growth than the Green parties have ever been.

    ….

    When it comes to sustainability, nothing matters more than population. To be precise, what matters is the population not of angels, but of real human beings whose collective footprint is measured in GDP.

     

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  10. Charlotte Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    It’s all part and parcel of the “Degrowth” movement…

    How do we do it? First we need to reverse all the pro-growth policies as soon as possible. That means all the policies—including fiscal, monetary, and trade policies—that incentivize or conduce larger family sizes and higher per capita consumption. We literally want to achieve a degrowing GDP for some period of time, especially by cutting out the fat such as gas hogs, mansions, yachts, corporate palaces, and palatial government offices.

    We need to explicitly adopt a decreasing GDP as a policy goal—a slowly and steadily decreasing GDP in the wealthier countries—until a healthily sized economy is here again.

    As the European degrowth movement emphasizes, though, it’s not all about GDP. Degrowth entails a radical departure from the social status quo. It means different values, less work hours, deliberately lower consumption…an attitude of “enough” instead of perpetually more. It is worthy of political focus: a capitalized “Degrowth” movement that is truly green; greener than any “green growth” agenda and more focused on limits to growth than the Green parties have ever been.

    ….

    When it comes to sustainability, nothing matters more than population. To be precise, what matters is the population not of angels, but of real human beings whose collective footprint is measured in GDP.

     

    Where are these quotes from? Do you have a link?

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  11. JoelB Member
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    Here comes the black horse.

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  12. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Meanwhile in Canada! 

     

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  13. Barfly Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    I mentioned elsewhere …

    I just heard that not only animal agriculture but ALL agriculture is destroying the planet.

    George Monbiot: “Agriculture is arguably the most destructive industry on Earth”

     

    Even vegans are t safe…

    https://brandnewtube.com/watch/plant-agriculture-is-destroying-the-planet-must-watch_vG8qFqRqLTRJLSg.html

    It appears to be an organized campaign against modern human activity. Energy. Transportation. Economics. Agriculture. Parson Malthus says “Told’ja so”

    Yes, it does appear to be planned. That’s a good thing, I think. It means there are centralized nodes that can be hit.

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  14. Ekosj Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    It’s all part and parcel of the “Degrowth” movement…

    How do we do it? First we need to reverse all the pro-growth policies as soon as possible. That means all the policies—including fiscal, monetary, and trade policies—that incentivize or conduce larger family sizes and higher per capita consumption. We literally want to achieve a degrowing GDP for some period of time, especially by cutting out the fat such as gas hogs, mansions, yachts, corporate palaces, and palatial government offices.

    We need to explicitly adopt a decreasing GDP as a policy goal—a slowly and steadily decreasing GDP in the wealthier countries—until a healthily sized economy is here again.

    As the European degrowth movement emphasizes, though, it’s not all about GDP. Degrowth entails a radical departure from the social status quo. It means different values, less work hours, deliberately lower consumption…an attitude of “enough” instead of perpetually more. It is worthy of political focus: a capitalized “Degrowth” movement that is truly green; greener than any “green growth” agenda and more focused on limits to growth than the Green parties have ever been.

    ….

    When it comes to sustainability, nothing matters more than population. To be precise, what matters is the population not of angels, but of real human beings whose collective footprint is measured in GDP.

     

    Where are these quotes from? Do you have a link?

    https://populationmatters.org/news/2022/06/degrowth-steady-state-economy-and-population

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  15. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    OccupantCDN:

    In order to reduce Green House Gas emissions, the Canadian PM wants to reduce fertilizer use by 30% by 2030.

    A totally impracticable goal, that will reduce farm productivity, massively cut farm income and essentially eliminate Canada’s agricultural exports.

    Canada’s farmers will soon be joining with Dutch farmers.

    I hope Ottawa is prepared for massive farm equipment on their streets.

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  16. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I was sitting outside thinking about this a little bit more. The use of microorganisms in agriculture is a relatively new but exciting field of study and practice. It may compensate for the nitrogen and phosphorus that have become fertilizer pariahs. :-) Perhaps the agricultural industry will figure out how to make up for the loss of nitrogen. Perhaps there won’t be the disaster I first envisioned.

    Microorganisms would not be a substitute for commercial fertilizer.  Examples of microorganisms include bacteria, viruses and fungi.  You might be familiar with soil inoculant for beans, plants which are known to fix small amounts of nitrogen from the atmosphere into the soil.  The idea is to transfer that ability to other crops, like corn.  Corn and soybeans are on a rotation in the midwest because some of the nitrogen that soybeans fix in the soil can be used by the following year’s corn crop–but it’s absolutely not a substitute for fertilizer, as most of the nitrogen fixed is used by the soybean plants themselves.  There are no guarantees.  One company in Berkeley, CA was experimenting with a corn inoculant–bacteria that would colonize the roots and fix 25 pounds of nitrogen per acre.  However, corn uses a lot of fertilizer.  Early in the season while the plant is growing, corn can use ten pounds of nitrogen per acre per day (which is how it can go from “knee high by the fourth of July” to ten to 12 feet tall when it tassels a few short weeks later).  Other nutrients are important as well.  If any plant doesn’t get the nutrition it needs, it will not produce.

    You can bet that Bill Gates will fertilize the hell out of all of the crop land he is buying for biofuel production, and his fertilizer will be a commercial product, not organic.

    Today’s farmers and ranchers are not rubes.  Modern farming is an actual (not Faucian) science.  Why the elites want to take us back in time is a puzzle with a missing piece.

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  17. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Mr. Trudeau is apparently unaware of what just happened in Sri Lanka. Someone should tell him.

    Or he’s fully aware, but he thinks that, as with the Truckers’ protest, he can ride it out. And he may be right.

    And if, perchance, he actually DID know what happened in Sri Lanka, then all Canadians should be on their way to Ottawa right now. With torches & pitchforks. Why wait until they’re starving?

    Yep.

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  18. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I was sitting outside thinking about this a little bit more. The use of microorganisms in agriculture is a relatively new but exciting field of study and practice. It may compensate for the nitrogen and phosphorus that have become fertilizer pariahs. :-) Perhaps the agricultural industry will figure out how to make up for the loss of nitrogen. Perhaps there won’t be the disaster I first envisioned.

    I doubt the environmentalist will allow that.

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  19. Barfly Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Far less trouble, and far cheaper, to eliminate the politicians proposing this nonsense.

    Soylent Brown is politicians!

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  20. jorge espinha Inactive
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    The green dicks are bent on provoking world hunger.

    In Sri Lanka, the results were catastrophic, in the Netherlands the same is being attempted by their government ( a coalition with a Green Party). A large part of Mankind depends on the crops from countries such as Canada, US or Netherlands (despite their tiny size they are an agriculture powerhouse).

    Thanks to the Green fools, Nuclear power generation was stalled in most western countries. Remember those pins? “Nuclear? No thanks!”. So, by the time China and India started to industrialize in earnest the Nuclear power technology was underdeveloped and so, they built Coal burning plants. 

    Much of the CO2 in our atmosphere is there thanks to the eco-imbeciles and the lack of backbone of the scientific community.

     

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  21. MarciN Member
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    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):
    Microorganisms would not be a substitute for commercial fertilizer. 

    But perhaps in addition to reduced application of nitrogen and phosphorus? 

    I wouldn’t have believed it would work, but we had our garden treated last year with microorganisms in addition to our normal light application of fertilizer, and I can’t believe the excellent results.  

    I’m just wondering if our brilliant American farmers will figure something out to make up for the ridiculous new laws the governments are thinking of passing. 

     

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):
    Microorganisms would not be a substitute for commercial fertilizer.

    But perhaps in addition to reduced application of nitrogen and phosphorus?

    I wouldn’t have believed it would work, but we had our garden treated last year with microorganisms in addition to our normal light application of fertilizer, and I can’t believe the excellent results.

    I’m just wondering if our brilliant American farmers will figure something out to make up for the ridiculous new laws the governments are thinking of passing.

     

    Maybe. But first, we need to get rid of the ridiculous laws that our governments are passing.

    These people are not stupid, so the only explanation is the desire for mass starvation.

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  23. MarciN Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):
    Microorganisms would not be a substitute for commercial fertilizer.

    But perhaps in addition to reduced application of nitrogen and phosphorus?

    I wouldn’t have believed it would work, but we had our garden treated last year with microorganisms in addition to our normal light application of fertilizer, and I can’t believe the excellent results.

    I’m just wondering if our brilliant American farmers will figure something out to make up for the ridiculous new laws the governments are thinking of passing.

     

    Maybe. But first, we need to get rid of the ridiculous laws that our governments are passing.

    These people are not stupid, so the only explanation is the desire for mass starvation.

    I agree with you. 

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  24. Unsk Member
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     Great Post Occupant.

    The best way to destroy a society is to attack it’s food and energy sources, which our Dear Supreme Leader and his Puppet-masters are doing with unbridled relish the world over.  It is pure insanity. These people are mass murdering psychopaths. 

     Dr Bastiat: Mr. Trudeau is apparently unaware of what just happened in Sri Lanka. Someone should tell him.

     You can add  Panama now to that list with many, many more to come. 

     

    It’s not just the Dutch farmers because the EU has also proposed the same insane nitrogen regs for the entirety of the EU,  so now it’s the Spanish, Greek, Italian et al of Europe farmers who are also starting to protest.  Poor wittle Justin, a spoiled brat midget among men,  is just   following orders you see. 

    But of course we will be next if we do not rise up and stop this society killing travesty. 

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  25. Old Bathos Member
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    In the wake of the Sri Lanka disaster and the Dutch farm policy disruption the level of stupid required to think the fertilizer reduction is a good policy is unattainable even by Trudeau.  We must therefore attribute it to conscious malice and wanna-be kissing up to the rich cool kids at Davos.  His country and the world will be worse off but he will be praised by the elite.

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  26. MarciN Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    In the wake of the Sri Lanka disaster and the Dutch farm policy disruption the level of stupid required to think the fertilizer reduction is a good policy is unattainable even by Trudeau. We must therefore attribute it to conscious malice and wanna-be kissing up to the rich cool kids at Davos. His country and the world will be worse off but he will be praised by the elite.

    We have got to take back the House and Senate. Otherwise, this is coming here too. 

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  27. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    The best way to destroy a society is to attack it’s food and energy sources, which our Dear Supreme Leader and his Puppet-masters are doing with unbridled relish the world over.  It is pure insanity. These people are mass murdering psychopaths. 

    Yes, they are.

    Honestly, it’s quite amazing. They’ve spent half a century brainwashing people to accept the Greenist Gospel into their hearts, and now that they’ve achieved mass mind control, they can enact these absolutely crazy policies with half the world nodding along like bobbleheads.

    They are psychopaths. If we want to save the world, we’ll destroy these people. But we also need mass deprogramming. (I suspect food shortages might achieve that.) 

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  28. Henry Racette Member
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    OccupantCDN: Could it be, that they’ve failed mathematics (not to mention logic and ethics) so completely that they don’t understand that their policy to save future peoples from a theoretical environmental disaster hundreds of years in the future will kill people now?

    Yes.

    Being virtuous in an existential cause gives one a real high. I think most of these people, probably almost all of them, mistakenly believe that they are on the side of the angels, calling for a great shared sacrifice for the common good. That’s a nice feeling, even if rooted in ignorance, laziness, and self-delusion.

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    In the wake of the Sri Lanka disaster and the Dutch farm policy disruption the level of stupid required to think the fertilizer reduction is a good policy is unattainable even by Trudeau. We must therefore attribute it to conscious malice and wanna-be kissing up to the rich cool kids at Davos. His country and the world will be worse off but he will be praised by the elite.

    We have got to take back the House and Senate. Otherwise, this is coming here too.

    It’s probably coming here anyway, even if we do.

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  30. Hang On Member
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    If Canadians had not already figured out that Trudeau was an idiot, there is something seriously wrong with Canada.

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