No Good Deed Goes Unpunished

 

You have a right to your own life. You are more than collateral damage to promote some advocacy group’s greater good.

In a perfect world we wouldn’t need a law-abiding citizen carrying a firearm to stop a mass shooter in a mall. We don’t live in a perfect world. The shoppers at the Greenwald Mall needed a gunfighter, and they got what they needed.

“The real hero of the day is the citizen that was lawfully carrying a firearm in that food court and was able to stop the shooter almost as soon as he began,” Greenwood Police Chief Jim Ison told reporters.

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  1. Cassandro Coolidge
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    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am glad that we had “the good guy with a gun” at the mall.

    Before Gary gets too many “likes” for this, let’s all remember that he voted for the people who are against it.

    And “deeds speak louder than words.”

    Yeah, but I gotta “Like” what he says when he’s right . . .

    I didn’t Like it because I don’t believe him. He voted for the guy, and the administration, that is doing it’s best to stop every good guy from carrying or even having a gun. And he says this act of carrying a gun should be celebrated? Hypocrisy!

    Let me put it this way.  When a guy uses “irony” (or more correctly, sarcasm) and uses nice and acceptable words intended to “portray” the opposite as insults and personal ad hominem attacks — in order to circumvent the CoC — why should I automatically believe anything nice and acceptable that he says?

    And he voted for a gun grabber.  Given his admitted method of saying the opposite of what he actually means, I don’t believe that he in any way is glad that we had “the good guy with a gun”  but is being “ironic” again.

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  2. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am glad that we had “the good guy with a gun” at the mall.

    Before Gary gets too many “likes” for this, let’s all remember that he voted for the people who are against it.

    And “deeds speak louder than words.”

    Yeah, but I gotta “Like” what he says when he’s right . . .

    I didn’t Like it because I don’t believe him. He voted for the guy, and the administration, that is doing it’s best to stop every good guy from carrying or even having a gun. And he says this act of carrying a gun should be celebrated? Hypocrisy!

    Really?  So if you vote for someone you support their position on every issue?  How can you ever in good conscious cast a vote for anyone?  By your standards every single one of us who has ever voted is a hypocrite, unless we were a candidate and voted for ourselves.

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  3. Doug Watt Member
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    Where you cannot carry in Indiana:

    Schools: You cannot open carry or possess your firearms on school premises, except officers of the school or those that have permission from the management to do so. You can also not open carry in school buses or vehicles used for the transportation of students.

    State government buildings: You cannot open carry in government properties like the state capitol building and state libraries.

    Airports: You cannot open carry in secured zones of airports.
    Shipping port: You cannot open carry in shipping ports that are under the control of the state’s port commission.

    Courtrooms: You cannot open carry in courtrooms or during a regular court proceeding.
    Prohibited places: You cannot open carry in areas under the prohibition of federal laws.

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  4. Jim McConnell Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    And how many lives did that “vigilante” in the mall save?

    The callous disregard for human life from our betters is just over the top.

    They don’t think, they just “feel.”

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  5. Cassandro Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am glad that we had “the good guy with a gun” at the mall.

    Before Gary gets too many “likes” for this, let’s all remember that he voted for the people who are against it.

    And “deeds speak louder than words.”

    Yeah, but I gotta “Like” what he says when he’s right . . .

    I didn’t Like it because I don’t believe him. He voted for the guy, and the administration, that is doing it’s best to stop every good guy from carrying or even having a gun. And he says this act of carrying a gun should be celebrated? Hypocrisy!

    Really? So if you vote for someone you support their position on every issue? How can you ever in good conscious cast a vote for anyone? By your standards every single one of us who has ever voted is a hypocrite, unless we were a candidate and voted for ourselves.

    Edited and redacted to: I don’t believe him anymore.

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  6. Percival Thatcher
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Indiana gun laws for all of you that are too lazy to do anything but attack Gary Robbins. I did a little research for you. This is a short overview, but the Good Samaritan is wise to wait before making any public statements.

    Open Carry Permitted? Yes
    Carry In Vehicle? Yes
    Carry In State Park? Yes
    Carry In Restaurants? Yes
    Constitutional Carry? No
    No Weapon Sign Enforced? No-“No Weapons” signs are not mentioned in Indiana gun laws. There are no legal penalties for entering a private property or business that has posted these signs. They have no force of law unless they are posted in areas that are mentioned by the law as being off limits.
    Must Notify Officer? No

    As I understood it, as of July 1 of this year a permit was no longer required to carry. As far as “no gun zones” go, if you were carrying, they could request you to leave, and if you refused, they could call a cop and trespass you.

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  7. Cassandro Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Indiana gun laws for all of you that are too lazy to do anything but attack Gary Robbins. I did a little research for you. This is a short overview, but the Good Samaritan is wise to wait before making any public statements.

    Open Carry Permitted? Yes
    Carry In Vehicle? Yes
    Carry In State Park? Yes
    Carry In Restaurants? Yes
    Constitutional Carry? No
    No Weapon Sign Enforced? No-“No Weapons” signs are not mentioned in Indiana gun laws. There are no legal penalties for entering a private property or business that has posted these signs. They have no force of law unless they are posted in areas that are mentioned by the law as being off limits.
    Must Notify Officer? No

    As I understood it, as of July 1 of this year a permit was no longer required to carry. As far as “no gun zones” go, if you were carrying, they could request you to leave, and if you refused, they could call a cop and trespass you.

    I believe, from the news, perhaps the news conference, that in the past few weeks “Constitutional carry” was instituted.  Regardless, the Chief of Police says that Dicken was legally carrying.

    And if I recall correctly, the Chief’s statement was in response to a question about the legality of carrying in light the Mall’s policy prohibiting guns.

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  8. Stad Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am glad that we had “the good guy with a gun” at the mall.

    Before Gary gets too many “likes” for this, let’s all remember that he voted for the people who are against it.

    And “deeds speak louder than words.”

    Yeah, but I gotta “Like” what he says when he’s right . . .

    Except it suggests to him that you support how he voted, too.

    He knows I don’t . . .

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  9. Doug Watt Member
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    Indiana became a Constitutional Carry State on July 1, 2022:

    Gov. Eric Holcomb (R) of Indiana signed HB 1296 on March 21. The new law will go into effect on July 1, 2022.

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  10. Concretevol Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am glad that we had “the good guy with a gun” at the mall.

    Before Gary gets too many “likes” for this, let’s all remember that he voted for the people who are against it.

    And “deeds speak louder than words.”

    Yeah, but I gotta “Like” what he says when he’s right . . .

    Except it suggests to him that you support how he voted, too.

    That is the most ridiculous twisting of logic I have ever heard.  lol

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Concretevol (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am glad that we had “the good guy with a gun” at the mall.

    Before Gary gets too many “likes” for this, let’s all remember that he voted for the people who are against it.

    And “deeds speak louder than words.”

    Yeah, but I gotta “Like” what he says when he’s right . . .

    Except it suggests to him that you support how he voted, too.

    That is the most ridiculous twisting of logic I have ever heard. lol

    Our intent is never determinative of how someone else interprets things.

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  12. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am glad that we had “the good guy with a gun” at the mall.

    Before Gary gets too many “likes” for this, let’s all remember that he voted for the people who are against it.

    And “deeds speak louder than words.”

    Yeah, but I gotta “Like” what he says when he’s right . . .

    Except it suggests to him that you support how he voted, too.

    That is the most ridiculous twisting of logic I have ever heard. lol

    Our intent is never determinative of how someone else interprets things.

    Nor is guessing very successful.

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  13. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am glad that we had “the good guy with a gun” at the mall.

    Before Gary gets too many “likes” for this, let’s all remember that he voted for the people who are against it.

    And “deeds speak louder than words.”

    Yeah, but I gotta “Like” what he says when he’s right . . .

    Except it suggests to him that you support how he voted, too.

    That is the most ridiculous twisting of logic I have ever heard. lol

    Our intent is never determinative of how someone else interprets things.

    I have always thought there was something fishy about @stad.  Sure, he has written written thousands of comments criticizing Democrats, but he hit the Like button on a pro-gun comment made by someone who voted for Biden, so can we really trust him?  I have seen photographic evidence that Stad had long hair in high school.  When we were together at the Black Hills Ricochet Meetup, Stad never bought a t-shirt depicting Donald Trump as a bad-ass biker, even though Stad loves t-shirts and those Trump as hooligan t-shirts were all over the place.  I think we have sniffed out a heretic.

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  14. Stad Coolidge
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    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am glad that we had “the good guy with a gun” at the mall.

    Before Gary gets too many “likes” for this, let’s all remember that he voted for the people who are against it.

    And “deeds speak louder than words.”

    Yeah, but I gotta “Like” what he says when he’s right . . .

    I didn’t Like it because I don’t believe him. He voted for the guy, and the administration, that is doing it’s best to stop every good guy from carrying or even having a gun. And he says this act of carrying a gun should be celebrated? Hypocrisy!

    There’s a difference between liking a comment you think is good or correct, and liking a person’s voting record . . .

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am glad that we had “the good guy with a gun” at the mall.

    Before Gary gets too many “likes” for this, let’s all remember that he voted for the people who are against it.

    And “deeds speak louder than words.”

    Yeah, but I gotta “Like” what he says when he’s right . . .

    I didn’t Like it because I don’t believe him. He voted for the guy, and the administration, that is doing it’s best to stop every good guy from carrying or even having a gun. And he says this act of carrying a gun should be celebrated? Hypocrisy!

    There’s a difference between liking a comment you think is good or correct, and liking a person’s voting record . . .

    Technically yes, but if the person believes that we got here because of his voting record, “liking” the comment can be seen as “liking” what they think was the path to it.

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  16. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Technically yes, but if the person believes that we got here because of his voting record, “liking” the comment can be seen as “liking” what they think was the path to it.

    I think most Ricochet members use the Like button the way Stad and I do, meaning it is a statement of approval of that comment and that comment alone.  I doubt there is anyone on this whole site who when they receive a Like, assumes that it is an endorsement of every position they have ever held.  I know I have hit the Like button on comments written by people who holds views very different than many on other topics.  I’ve even hit the Like button for the ass who opined that people with my economic views deserve execution.  Just not on that thread.

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Technically yes, but if the person believes that we got here because of his voting record, “liking” the comment can be seen as “liking” what they think was the path to it.

    I think most Ricochet members use the Like button the way Stad and I do, meaning it is a statement of approval of that comment and that comment alone. I doubt there is anyone on this whole site who when they receive a Like, assumes that it is an endorsement of every position they have ever held. I know I have hit the Like button on comments written by people who holds views very different than many on other topics. I’ve even hit the Like button for the ass who opined that people with my economic views deserve execution. Just not on that thread.

    I dunno, maybe.  But have you met Gary?

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