A Victim of COVID?

 

Ivana Trump will never be counted in the toll of victims that covid (and Fauci and Dr. Scarf) have inflicted on  America. Yes, she fell down the stairs in her apartment and died of blunt force trauma to the chest. But friends reported that she deteriorated during the lockdown and was never the same again, that she had become frail during the pandemic.

This is entirely speculation, but she was 73 years old, so she was likely becoming a little less mobile before the pandemic, perhaps not as quick mentally as she had been. Maybe not enough to notice, but happening nonetheless. If she stopped seeing friends during the lockdown, she may have lost relationships. It may have affected her mental health. She may have had fewer reasons to get out and not as many things to stimulate her mind. If she stopped taking her walks that she mentioned to a friend, it may have accelerated her physical decline. The lockdowns were devastating to all but especially to someone just a bit vulnerable.

I certainly felt all those things during the lockdown, and I’m a couple of decades younger. I don’t exercise as much or as consistently as I did before the lockdown. It’s just been hard to get back into the habit. I’ve kept up with friends, but I’ve lost contact with some of those acquaintances who brighten your day. And my work has moved to remote and will probably never go back, so I don’t have the office interactions that I once did. No colleagues to drink beer with, or go for Mexican food with, or gripe about the boss to. Yes, the pandemic and lockdown are over, but their effects linger.

I need to make an effort to reverse the lingering impact of the lockdown in my life. I need to be more consistent with exercise. I need to join some groups. Maybe I should dust off my telescope and join an astronomy club. I could e-mail some of my college friends whom I haven’t heard from in years. I need to take some steps to avoid becoming one of the uncounted but very real victims of covid, to avoid falling victim as Ivana Trump did.

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  1. The Cynthonian Member
    The Cynthonian
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    Same here, Steve.   

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  2. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    This seems entirely plausible, particularly combined with the treacherous nature of the stairs in her home.

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  3. The Great Adventure Coolidge
    The Great Adventure
    @TGA

    I suppose I can understand your reasoning – to a point.  But given the overpowering inclination of our government “leaders” to classify virtually every death since March of 2020 as a “covid death”, I am hesitant to attribute hers to that cause.

    I posted on FB during the height of the lockdowns that when the all clear sounded I would make a much stronger effort to connect with friends and family.  While I have made many efforts, I would classify the results as rather disappointing.  I still seem to encounter a higher percentage of folks who are reluctant to get reconnect.  

    Shrug.

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  4. Front Seat Cat Member
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    @FrontSeatCat

    You should do everything your last paragraph suggests.  Yes – most definitely. I feel sad for this woman. She was not that old. I wonder if she was vaccinated and if that affected her health?  I can’t speak for the rest of it.  Many people who loved being social and vibrant lost that ability during Covid. 

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  5. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    Steve Fast: I need to take some steps to avoid becoming one of the uncounted but very real victims of covid, to avoid falling victim as Ivana Trump did.

    That’s not a Covid victimization. It’s a foolish Covid policy victimization.

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  6. Steve Fast Coolidge
    Steve Fast
    @SteveFast

    The Great Adventure (View Comment):

    I suppose I can understand your reasoning – to a point. But given the overpowering inclination of our government “leaders” to classify virtually every death since March of 2020 as a “covid death”, I am hesitant to attribute hers to that cause.

    I posted on FB during the height of the lockdowns that when the all clear sounded I would make a much stronger effort to connect with friends and family. While I have made many efforts, I would classify the results as rather disappointing. I still seem to encounter a higher percentage of folks who are reluctant to get reconnect.

    Shrug.

    There were a lot of deaths that were counted as deaths “from” covid that should have been deaths “with” covid. In that sense the death toll of the disease was inflated.

    But her death was neither from covid nor with covid. It was a death of despair and isolation and inactivity due to the lockdown. Which is really a death due to the dictatorial, power-grabbing, communist response by Lord Fauci and Dr. Scarf and not strictly a death of the disease itself. Jay Bhathacharya has said many times that the deaths of despair and starvation and so on are much higher than those from the disease itself.

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  7. Steve Fast Coolidge
    Steve Fast
    @SteveFast

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Steve Fast: I need to take some steps to avoid becoming one of the uncounted but very real victims of covid, to avoid falling victim as Ivana Trump did.

    That’s not a Covid victimization. It’s a foolish Covid policy victimization.

    That’s a crucial distinction – thanks for emphasizing that.

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  8. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    The Great Adventure (View Comment):

    I suppose I can understand your reasoning – to a point. But given the overpowering inclination of our government “leaders” to classify virtually every death since March of 2020 as a “covid death”, I am hesitant to attribute hers to that cause.

    I posted on FB during the height of the lockdowns that when the all clear sounded I would make a much stronger effort to connect with friends and family. While I have made many efforts, I would classify the results as rather disappointing. I still seem to encounter a higher percentage of folks who are reluctant to get reconnect.

    Shrug.

    There were a lot of deaths that were counted as deaths “from” covid that should have been deaths “with” covid. In that sense the death toll of the disease was inflated.

    But her death was neither from covid nor with covid. It was a death of despair and isolation and inactivity due to the lockdown. Which is really a death due to the dictatorial, power-grabbing, communist response by Lord Fauci and Dr. Scarf and not strictly a death of the disease itself. Jay Bhathacharya has said many times that the deaths of despair and starvation and so on are much higher than those from the disease itself.

    Have you read of this yet (Ace of Spades)?

    Deborah Birx: Mike Pence Gave Me the Go-Ahead to “Subvert” Trump’s Policies on Covid

    deborahbirx.jpg

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  9. Annefy Member
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    @Annefy

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    The Great Adventure (View Comment):

    I suppose I can understand your reasoning – to a point. But given the overpowering inclination of our government “leaders” to classify virtually every death since March of 2020 as a “covid death”, I am hesitant to attribute hers to that cause.

    I posted on FB during the height of the lockdowns that when the all clear sounded I would make a much stronger effort to connect with friends and family. While I have made many efforts, I would classify the results as rather disappointing. I still seem to encounter a higher percentage of folks who are reluctant to get reconnect.

    Shrug.

    There were a lot of deaths that were counted as deaths “from” covid that should have been deaths “with” covid. In that sense the death toll of the disease was inflated.

    But her death was neither from covid nor with covid. It was a death of despair and isolation and inactivity due to the lockdown. Which is really a death due to the dictatorial, power-grabbing, communist response by Lord Fauci and Dr. Scarf and not strictly a death of the disease itself. Jay Bhathacharya has said many times that the deaths of despair and starvation and so on are much higher than those from the disease itself.

    Have you read of this yet (Ace of Spades)?

    Deborah Birx: Mike Pence Gave Me the Go-Ahead to “Subvert” Trump’s Policies on Covid

    deborahbirx.jpg

    Read Scott Atlas’ book for some very pointed comments about how many of the governors felt about Birx. Some demanded that she never return to their state.

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  10. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    The Great Adventure (View Comment):

    I suppose I can understand your reasoning – to a point. But given the overpowering inclination of our government “leaders” to classify virtually every death since March of 2020 as a “covid death”, I am hesitant to attribute hers to that cause.

    I posted on FB during the height of the lockdowns that when the all clear sounded I would make a much stronger effort to connect with friends and family. While I have made many efforts, I would classify the results as rather disappointing. I still seem to encounter a higher percentage of folks who are reluctant to get reconnect.

    Shrug.

    There were a lot of deaths that were counted as deaths “from” covid that should have been deaths “with” covid. In that sense the death toll of the disease was inflated.

    But her death was neither from covid nor with covid. It was a death of despair and isolation and inactivity due to the lockdown. Which is really a death due to the dictatorial, power-grabbing, communist response by Lord Fauci and Dr. Scarf and not strictly a death of the disease itself. Jay Bhathacharya has said many times that the deaths of despair and starvation and so on are much higher than those from the disease itself.

    Have you read of this yet (Ace of Spades)?

    Deborah Birx: Mike Pence Gave Me the Go-Ahead to “Subvert” Trump’s Policies on Covid

    deborahbirx.jpg

    Read Scott Atlas’ book for some very pointed comments about how many of the governors felt about Birx. Some demanded that she never return to their state.

    That’s good to know.

    • #10
  11. Steve Fast Coolidge
    Steve Fast
    @SteveFast

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    The Great Adventure (View Comment):

    I suppose I can understand your reasoning – to a point. But given the overpowering inclination of our government “leaders” to classify virtually every death since March of 2020 as a “covid death”, I am hesitant to attribute hers to that cause.

    I posted on FB during the height of the lockdowns that when the all clear sounded I would make a much stronger effort to connect with friends and family. While I have made many efforts, I would classify the results as rather disappointing. I still seem to encounter a higher percentage of folks who are reluctant to get reconnect.

    Shrug.

    There were a lot of deaths that were counted as deaths “from” covid that should have been deaths “with” covid. In that sense the death toll of the disease was inflated.

    But her death was neither from covid nor with covid. It was a death of despair and isolation and inactivity due to the lockdown. Which is really a death due to the dictatorial, power-grabbing, communist response by Lord Fauci and Dr. Scarf and not strictly a death of the disease itself. Jay Bhathacharya has said many times that the deaths of despair and starvation and so on are much higher than those from the disease itself.

    Have you read of this yet (Ace of Spades)?

    Deborah Birx: Mike Pence Gave Me the Go-Ahead to “Subvert” Trump’s Policies on Covid

    deborahbirx.jpg

    Read Scott Atlas’ book for some very pointed comments about how many of the governors felt about Birx. Some demanded that she never return to their state.

    That’s good to know.

    Mike Pence telling her to do what she needed to do is very different than telling her to subvert Trump’s policies or to stymie Scott Atlas, although she may have taken those to be synonymous.

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  12. Annefy Member
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    Scott Atlas identified Birx as the problem very early into his tenure. When he shared concerns with DJT staff, he was constantly cautioned to “not rock the boat”.

    I don’t plan on reading Birx’ book, and I’m frankly amazed at her hubris. The past 2.5 years has been a parade of incompetence (at best) and nefariousness (at worst). And she spent some time leading that parade until she resigned in disgrace.

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  13. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    The Great Adventure (View Comment):

    I suppose I can understand your reasoning – to a point. But given the overpowering inclination of our government “leaders” to classify virtually every death since March of 2020 as a “covid death”, I am hesitant to attribute hers to that cause.

    I posted on FB during the height of the lockdowns that when the all clear sounded I would make a much stronger effort to connect with friends and family. While I have made many efforts, I would classify the results as rather disappointing. I still seem to encounter a higher percentage of folks who are reluctant to get reconnect.

    Shrug.

    There were a lot of deaths that were counted as deaths “from” covid that should have been deaths “with” covid. In that sense the death toll of the disease was inflated.

    But her death was neither from covid nor with covid. It was a death of despair and isolation and inactivity due to the lockdown. Which is really a death due to the dictatorial, power-grabbing, communist response by Lord Fauci and Dr. Scarf and not strictly a death of the disease itself. Jay Bhathacharya has said many times that the deaths of despair and starvation and so on are much higher than those from the disease itself.

    Have you read of this yet (Ace of Spades)?

    Deborah Birx: Mike Pence Gave Me the Go-Ahead to “Subvert” Trump’s Policies on Covid

    deborahbirx.jpg

    Read Scott Atlas’ book for some very pointed comments about how many of the governors felt about Birx. Some demanded that she never return to their state.

    That’s good to know.

    Mike Pence telling her to do what she needed to do is very different than telling her to subvert Trump’s policies or to stymie Scott Atlas, although she may have taken those to be synonymous.

    I haven’t read her book, but I’m sure it wasn’t a conversation in 12 words or less.  I mean, “Do what?” would be part of the conversation, and “What do you need to do?”, would be part of the conversation.

    Clearly Birx’s book raises questions that should be answered.  Will we ever get answers?  If not by this time, no, we won’t get any true answers.

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  14. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Scott Atlas identified Birx as the problem very early into his tenure. When he shared concerns with DJT staff, he was constantly cautioned to “not rock the boat”.

    I don’t plan on reading Birx’ book, and I’m frankly amazed at her hubris. The past 2.5 years has been a parade of incompetence (at best) and nefariousness (at worst). And she spent some time leading that parade until she resigned in disgrace.

    The only reason she’s admitting now what we all pretty much new at the time, is because she’s safe now.  She’s bragging a little bit and encouraging others to follow suit.  This is her version of the Why We Fortified the Election story.

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  15. Annefy Member
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Scott Atlas identified Birx as the problem very early into his tenure. When he shared concerns with DJT staff, he was constantly cautioned to “not rock the boat”.

    I don’t plan on reading Birx’ book, and I’m frankly amazed at her hubris. The past 2.5 years has been a parade of incompetence (at best) and nefariousness (at worst). And she spent some time leading that parade until she resigned in disgrace.

    The only reason she’s admitting now what we all pretty much new at the time, is because she’s safe now. She’s bragging a little bit and encouraging others to follow suit. This is her version of the Why We Fortified the Election story.

    They have no shame 

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  16. Buckpasser Member
    Buckpasser
    @Buckpasser

    I’m told by my “betters” that all deaths are Wuflu deaths.

    • #16
  17. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    @RushBabe49

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Scott Atlas identified Birx as the problem very early into his tenure. When he shared concerns with DJT staff, he was constantly cautioned to “not rock the boat”.

    I don’t plan on reading Birx’ book, and I’m frankly amazed at her hubris. The past 2.5 years has been a parade of incompetence (at best) and nefariousness (at worst). And she spent some time leading that parade until she resigned in disgrace.

    The only reason she’s admitting now what we all pretty much new at the time, is because she’s safe now. She’s bragging a little bit and encouraging others to follow suit. This is her version of the Why We Fortified the Election story.

    They have no shame

    They have been working for years to eliminate “shame” from the human pantheon of emotions.  They are attempting to remove the “stigma” from all sorts of deleterious behavior, like pedophilia, prostitution, theft, robbery…it goes on forever.

    • #17
  18. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    I guess I am

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Scott Atlas identified Birx as the problem very early into his tenure. When he shared concerns with DJT staff, he was constantly cautioned to “not rock the boat”.

    I don’t plan on reading Birx’ book, and I’m frankly amazed at her hubris. The past 2.5 years has been a parade of incompetence (at best) and nefariousness (at worst). And she spent some time leading that parade until she resigned in disgrace.

    The only reason she’s admitting now what we all pretty much new at the time, is because she’s safe now. She’s bragging a little bit and encouraging others to follow suit. This is her version of the Why We Fortified the Election story.

    They have no shame

    They have been working for years to eliminate “shame” from the human pantheon of emotions. They are attempting to remove the “stigma” from all sorts of deleterious behavior, like pedophilia, prostitution, theft, robbery…it goes on forever.

    I just saw a FB blurb that Reddit has removed the word “groomer” from those terms that people on Reddit can freely use.

    Apparently Reddit considers “groomer” hate speech.

    As though  Epstein, Maxwell, etc should not be attacked by hate speech.

     

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