Retribution: For the Children of Telford

 

“Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience He stands waiting, with exactness grinds He all.” — H.W. Longfellow, Retribution

I’ve told, many times here before, of a family friend, a policewoman in the “West Mercia Constabulary” a division of the British police force covering my home counties of Worcestershire, Herefordshire, and Shropshire. (Many years ago, what passed for wokesters at the time decided that “West Mercia” (an ancient, perhaps mythical Arthurian territorial designation) was a bridge too far, and changed it to the “[Simplified Something] Constabulary.” Then, they decided that the real offense was caused by the word “Constabulary,” so they reverted the first part, changing the whole to “West Mercia Police,” and there it stands to this day.)

Anyhoo, this family friend worked in the data gathering and tracking section of the force, and as such, among other things she was responsible for tallying up, and following up on, the matters of child sexual abuse (CSA), and child sexual exploitation (CSE) in the region.

It broke her. Not the ugly events, although they were bad enough. But the police reaction to them. She left the force. In fact, she left the country.

I remember another friend telling me–decades ago now–that the problem was endemic to the region, that it went so much further than anyone knew, and that nothing was being done about it for fear of offending certain special interest groups.

And yet.

A unlikely and verray parfit gentil knyght has emerged. And he seems to have found his lady.

Mark Steyn, host of his very own GBNews show (the UK’s answer to Tucker, I think), has been relentless on this matter for months. Rotherham. Rochedale. And now, Telford. (Just as he has been after the UK government to make good on its promises to the “vaccine-injured.” With considerable success.)

Although the government-commissioned Telford (Shropshire) investigation wasn’t of Steyn’s doing, its findings today support his reporting and his interviews with Samantha Smith, a brave young woman who’s told her story on GBNews. (48 hours after going on Steyn’s show last week, the West Mercia Police were banging on her front door and demanding to know what she knew, and telling her they had a “duty” to follow up because she’d been talking about them on television. This after years of knowing about her case and doing almost nothing.)

Today, the government report on the Telford situation was released, and it’s horrific. Per The Telegraph:

More than a thousand girls were sexually abused by gangs of Asian men in Telford while police dropped cases like a “hot potato” for fear of inflaming racial tensions, a damning report has found.

An investigation – commissioned in 2018 – accused those whose job it was to protect children of repeatedly “turning a blind eye” and “ignoring obvious signs of child sexual exploitation”.

After “brainwashing them”, they then abused and raped them, issuing death threats if they threatened to expose the abuse.

Witnesses told an inquiry how West Mercia Police had appeared “frightened to question or challenge because they didn’t want to have the finger pointed at them, saying they were being racist.

In some cases, the children themselves were blamed for the abuse and accused of being prostitutes. [Note: “white slags” seems to be the term of art.]

The lack of a response by the authorities only emboldened the perpetrators to continue the abuse, the report concluded.

Today, Samantha Smith, survivor, is a 20-year-old law student. And she’s been discovered by The Telegraph:

Waiving her anonymity, the 20-year-old law student told The Telegraph: “I was sexually abused by multiple men throughout my childhood at different stages and groomed.

“I was five when it started and it carried until I was 14.

I didn’t come forward about my abuse until I was 16 at which point the police at the Child Sexual Exploitation team in West Mercia Police became involved but my case was dismissed and no further action was taken.

“Throughout when I was interviewed about it … I remember being asked whether I consented to sexual activity. Whether it was something I consented to. But I was underage, a child can’t consent no matter how mature an adult believes them to be, they can’t, the burden shouldn’t fall on a child to consent to being abused.

Victims like Lucy Lowe [burned to death by her groomer, the mother of their child (who she bore when she was 14) along with her sister and her mother] who never got a chance to get justice–so it’s all about keeping these stories at the forefront of public consciousness so they cannot be downplayed again, so girls aren’t being turned a blind eye to, so children that are growing up don’t have to suffer in silence.”

Mercifully, Lucy Lowe’s murderer is in jail. (For murder, not for child sex crimes.) Some might consider that “justice,” but apparently Samantha Smith does not.

And I think I agree with her.

PS: Steyn’s competition on weeknights is Piers Morgan, on TalkTV, Rupert Murdoch’s UK venture. Mark is clobbering him. Ricochet, please do your bit.

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  1. Mark Camp Member
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    I often come across a post that I would “mark as unread” if I could.  This is one of those posts.

    I hope I remember to read it tomorrow, or some time when my mind is at its most active, because it’s one of those posts that need careful reading and thinking.

    Note: I am not requesting “mark as unread” from my (fee-for-service) Ricochet providers.  I realize that asking for that common (free) function would be unreasonable ;-)

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  2. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    She: More than a thousand girls were sexually abused by gangs of Asian men in Telford while police dropped cases like a “hot potato” for fear of inflaming racial tensions, a damning report has found.

    “Don’t make the criminals angry” is a formula for catastrophe. And an act of treason.

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  3. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    In this context, “Asian” means Muslim from South Asia, right?  We’re not talking about Chinese or Japanese.

    Does anyone have information about the origins of these particular criminals?

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  4. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    In this context, “Asian” means Muslim from South Asia, right?  We’re not talking about Chinese or Japanese.

    “Asian” in England is always Muslim, and usually Pakistani.

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  5. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    In this context, “Asian” means Muslim from South Asia, right? We’re not talking about Chinese or Japanese.

    Does anyone have information about the origins of these particular criminals?

    Pakistan. (No surprise.)

    I read news stories about mothers of victims who begged Muslim community leaders (Imams or other religious authorities) to use their influence to end the abuse, but those Austere Religious Scholars refused.

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  6. Mark Camp Member
    Mark Camp
    @MarkCamp

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    In this context, “Asian” means Muslim from South Asia, right? We’re not talking about Chinese or Japanese.

    Does anyone have information about the origins of these particular criminals?

    Nothing reliable that I can quote, and I think the media tend not to identify them, for ideological reasons.

    But for what it’s worth while waiting for better info,  from an article by Geraldine McKelvie, Investigator for the Mirror:

    Many Telford victims say most of their abusers were from the Pakistani community but Jennifer says she was sold to anyone willing to pay.

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  7. She Member
    She
    @She

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    In this context, “Asian” means Muslim from South Asia, right? We’re not talking about Chinese or Japanese.

    Does anyone have information about the origins of these particular criminals?

    Jerry, I think it’s pretty clear.  It is all over the Internet.  It’s been all over the Internet for decades.  Information about the “origins of these particular criminals” is readily available, and you–a data guy–are welcome to look it up.

    Apologies to you or anyone who was baffled. I suppose I find it hard to believe, at this point, that there are those who’ve just been watching the wall while the gentlemen passed by.

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  8. She Member
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    @She

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    But for what it’s worth while waiting for better info

    You might want to start with the government report.

     

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  9. Mark Camp Member
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    @MarkCamp

    She (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    But for what it’s worth while waiting for better info

    You might want to start with the government report.

     

    I know the answer, so I don’t need to. I was trying to help Jerry who doesn’t know.

    But thanks for your comment, anyway.

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  10. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    The West Mercia Police, or Constabulary, or Tea and Biscuits Society, or whatever they are to be called, clearly need something else to be scared of. Something that would scare them into doing their jobs.

    “Consent.” At least one of them needs a slap upside the head as well.

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  11. Mad Gerald Coolidge
    Mad Gerald
    @Jose

    The nearby Rotherham scandal has been ongoing for years, but it seems the political will to get to the bottom of it just isn’t there.

    Mark Steyn is always worth listening to, and he seems to upset the right people.

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  12. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    I understand that the UK is taking applications for a new Prime Minister. Will this issue be part of the job interview process? 

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  13. EB Thatcher
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    @EB

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    I read news stories about mothers of victims who begged Muslim community leaders (Imams or other religious authorities) to use their influence to end the abuse, but those Austere Religious Scholars refused.

    That’s because “devout” Muslims consider non-Muslims to be dogs and apes.  So they don’t consider that any crime is being committed.

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  14. Annefy Member
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    @Annefy

    Mad Gerald (View Comment):

    The nearby Rotherham scandal has been ongoing for years, but it seems the political will to get to the bottom of it just isn’t there.

    Mark Steyn is always worth listening to, and he seems to upset the right people.

    Years = decades. I remember Mark Steyn interviewing a victim In Rotherhan who had borne a son from the abuse. That was at least 6 years ago and the son was a teenager.

    This is the issue that Tommy Robinson has been fighting against after his cousin was abused. And it’s gotten him nothing but heart ache and jail time. 

    Mark Steyn is doing a great job on GB News rattling all the right cages. 

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  15. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    There are no words for this coddling of child abusers, by the police and of course teachers and other adults. It seemed that  all concerned  preferred to find excuses as to why it wasn’t happening, or if it was happening, why there was no point in involving the courts with these young girls, who after all, “might have given consent.”

    And of course in many cases “consent” was freely given by the children, as they were  offered wine and booze and drugs before the sexual abuse took place.

    If law enforcement still insists that drunken young girls are freely offering  “consent,” there is something quite wrong in their  character, their training and their moral code.

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  16. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Monstrous.

    This is what “peaceful” Islamic expansion looks like.  Capitulation and subjugation due to methods other than outright warfare.  This is WORSE.

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  17. MarciN Member
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    @MarciN

    My sister and I had an interesting conversation twenty-five years ago that I can’t get out of my head today in relation to this post. She was a teacher at the time, and we were talking about the trends in child psychology in child discipline that insisted on adults’ reasoning with children rather than punishing them physically for their against-the-rules behavior. Europe was ten years ahead of us in embracing this trend, and that’s what we were talking about.

    Skipping the middle of the argument, she said that the “lower classes” used to have harsh, often physical discipline methods that were unpleasant but quick. Those discipline methods, so shunned by the upper classes, were actually more effective and fairer than the psychologically abusive alternatives that the upper classes were using. Good discipline happens immediately, fits the crime, and is over quickly. My sister said a slap on the hand fits that bill better than the long lecture or the “time out” that actually ended up with kids being in their rooms by themselves for long drawn-out periods of time because parents have to increase the time to match the increase in the child’s bad behavior–what starts out as five minutes becomes a war of escalation between the child and parent, and it goes on for weeks rather than minutes, and the children eventually frankly come to enjoy being alone in their room. :-) And “go to your room” falls apart the minute the kid says, “You can’t make me.” So the problem of one out of two hundred parents who went too far in meting out truly abusive physical punishment was solved by ending all physical punishment and ultimately, in too many families, no discipline at all.

    (There is a way around this dilemma, and it’s the path I took. It’s described in a great book. But that method is very time-consuming, and I could do it only because I worked from home and was there with my kids.)

    In the course of the conversation, the focus of which was the beginning of the disintegration of European civil society, she said, “They are raising a generation of children they can’t stand. They have no control over them. They don’t have family pride in them.”

    I keep thinking today that that is exactly what happened here, that this disaster of hundreds and thousands of children being exploited and abused is the direct result of the child psychologists’ interfering in family life. Why else would so many young girls be accessible to these men? Why else would these young girls not be at home with their families and out of reach and protected from these men?

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  18. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    MarciN (View Comment):

    My sister and I had an interesting conversation twenty-five years ago that I can’t get out of my head today in relation to this post. She was a teacher at the time, and we were talking about the trends in child psychology in child discipline that insisted on adults’ reasoning with children rather than punishing them physically for their against-the-rules behavior. Europe was ten years ahead of us in embracing this trend, and that’s what we were talking about.

    Skipping the middle of the argument, she said that the “lower classes” used to have harsh, often physical discipline methods that were unpleasant but quick. Those discipline methods, so shunned by the upper classes, were actually more effective and fairer than the psychologically abusive alternatives that the upper classes were using. Good discipline happens immediately, fits the crime, and is over quickly. My sister said a slap on the hand fits that bill better than the long lecture or the “time out” that actually ended up with kids being in their rooms by themselves for long drawn-out periods of time because parents have to increase the time to match the increase in the child’s bad behavior–what starts out as five minutes becomes a war of escalation between the child and parent and goes on for weeks rather than minutes, and the children eventually frankly came to enjoy. :-) And “go to your room” falls apart the minute the kid says, “You can’t make me.” So the problem of one out of two hundred parents who went too far in meting out truly abusive physical punishment was solved by ending all physical punishment and ultimately, in too many families, no discipline at all.

    (There is a way around this dilemma, and it’s the path I took. It’s described in a great book. But that method is very time-consuming, and I could do it only because I worked from home and there with my kids.)

    In the course of the conversation, the focus of which was the beginning of the disintegration of European civil society, she said, “They are raising a generation of children they can’t stand. They have no control over them. They don’t have family pride in them.”

    I keep thinking today that that is exactly what happened here, that this disaster of hundreds and thousands of children being exploited and abused is the direct result of the child psychologists’ interfering in family life. Why else would so many young girls be accessible to these men? Why else would these young girls not be at home with their families and out of reach and protected from these men?

    To be sure, there is a sickness in modern western society.  Still, now that we are run through with wolves, it’s time to defend the flock, independent of disciplining the sheep.

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  19. The Reticulator Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Skipping the middle of the argument, she said that the “lower classes” used to have harsh, often physical discipline methods that were unpleasant but quick. Those discipline methods, so shunned by the upper classes, were actually more effective and fairer than the psychologically abusive alternatives that the upper classes were using. Good discipline happens immediately, fits the crime, and is over quickly. My sister said a slap on the hand fits that bill better than the long lecture or the “time out” that actually ended up with kids being in their rooms by themselves for long drawn-out periods of time because parents have to increase the time to match the increase in the child’s bad behavior–what starts out as five minutes becomes a war of escalation between the child and parent and goes on for weeks rather than minutes, and the children eventually frankly came to enjoy. :-) And “go to your room” falls apart the minute the kid says, “You can’t make me.” So the problem of one out of two hundred parents who went too far in meting out truly abusive physical punishment was solved by ending all physical punishment and ultimately, in too many families, no discipline at all.

    (There is a way around this dilemma, and it’s the path I took. It’s described in a great book. But that method is very time-consuming, and I could do it only because I worked from home and there with my kids.)

    Many proponents of new fads and educational methods for the teaching of math, science, history, etc., do not allow for the value of time — for the fact that children are not long young and that their time and that of their teachers is limited. Maybe the imagine that their methods are so wonderful that unlimited resources can be poured into them.   Whatever their thinking, the limits of time don’t seem to enter their calculations any more than do the limits of money that are available.

    (Those who teach music skills and sports skills are usually different. They do allow for the value of time.)

    I’m not sure about the direct application of this to the willingness to defend one’s culture, but I won’t deny a possible connection, either. 

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  20. iWe Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    In the course of the conversation, the focus of which was the beginning of the disintegration of European civil society, she said, “They are raising a generation of children they can’t stand. They have no control over them. They don’t have family pride in them.”

    Precisely correct. 

    It is the reason so many Brits were horrified when we homeschooled. Most of them do not like their children.

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  21. Mad Gerald Coolidge
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    @Jose

    MarciN (View Comment):
    In the course of the conversation, the focus of which was the beginning of the disintegration of European civil society, she said, “They are raising a generation of children they can’t stand. They have no control over them. They don’t have family pride in them.”

    I can’t resist pointing out one of Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules for Life: Do Not Let Your Children Do Anything That Makes You Dislike Them.

    More here.

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  22. Annefy Member
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    iWe (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    In the course of the conversation, the focus of which was the beginning of the disintegration of European civil society, she said, “They are raising a generation of children they can’t stand. They have no control over them. They don’t have family pride in them.”

    Precisely correct.

    It is the reason so many Brits were horrified when we homeschooled. Most of them do not like their children.

    Many of my relatives from Scotland are friends on FB. When Rotherham blew up I posted several times about it. 

    I have a rule about not posting about anything political in the UK. I don’t live there, and can only assume I’m not getting accurate info from the news media. Unfortunately, my relatives do not follow the same rule and regularly posted negatively  about the States and DJT. 

    I finally called out one particularly obnoxious relative; he said it was no different than my “right wing” posts about the abuse scandals in the UK. 

    I asked him when being anti-child abuse was a) political and b) right wing. What happened next was text book – he called me racist. 

    tangentially, more than one has called out my irresponsibility of having four kids, and I’ve gotten raised eyebrows about our growing list of grandchildren. 

    The UK is full of sad, pathetic people. 

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  23. She Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    And “go to your room” falls apart the minute the kid says, “You can’t make me.”

    A huge problem.  The first time a kid says to a parent, “you can’t make me,” and the parent, instead of energetically lowering the boom, proves the child right, that parent has lost not only the battle, but the war.

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  24. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    In the course of the conversation, the focus of which was the beginning of the disintegration of European civil society, she said, “They are raising a generation of children they can’t stand. They have no control over them. They don’t have family pride in them.”

    Precisely correct.

    It is the reason so many Brits were horrified when we homeschooled. Most of them do not like their children.

    Many of my relatives from Scotland are friends on FB. When Rotherham blew up I posted several times about it.

    I have a rule about not posting about anything political in the UK. I don’t live there, and can only assume I’m not getting accurate info from the news media. Unfortunately, my relatives do not follow the same rule and regularly posted negatively about the States and DJT.

    I finally called out one particularly obnoxious relative; he said it was no different than my “right wing” posts about the abuse scandals in the UK.

    I asked him when being anti-child abuse was a) political and b) right wing. What happened next was text book – he called me racist.

    tangentially, more than one has called out my irresponsibility of having four kids, and I’ve gotten raised eyebrows about our growing list of grandchildren.

    The UK is full of sad, pathetic people.

    I think that your genes are good so it’s OK for you to breed.

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  25. Marjorie Reynolds Coolidge
    Marjorie Reynolds
    @MarjorieReynolds

    this reminded me of a Triggernometry interview from a few months ago. It’s appalling the way these girls were considered trash

    https://youtu.be/etpAtC2S0uQ

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  26. BDB Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    In the course of the conversation, the focus of which was the beginning of the disintegration of European civil society, she said, “They are raising a generation of children they can’t stand. They have no control over them. They don’t have family pride in them.”

    Precisely correct.

    It is the reason so many Brits were horrified when we homeschooled. Most of them do not like their children.

    Many of my relatives from Scotland are friends on FB. When Rotherham blew up I posted several times about it.

    I have a rule about not posting about anything political in the UK. I don’t live there, and can only assume I’m not getting accurate info from the news media. Unfortunately, my relatives do not follow the same rule and regularly posted negatively about the States and DJT.

    I finally called out one particularly obnoxious relative; he said it was no different than my “right wing” posts about the abuse scandals in the UK.

    I asked him when being anti-child abuse was a) political and b) right wing. What happened next was text book – he called me racist.

    tangentially, more than one has called out my irresponsibility of having four kids, and I’ve gotten raised eyebrows about our growing list of grandchildren.

    The UK is full of sad, pathetic people.

    I think that your genes are good so it’s OK for you to breed.

    From Henry, that’s an eloquent compliment :-)

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  27. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Mad Gerald (View Comment):

    The nearby Rotherham scandal has been ongoing for years, but it seems the political will to get to the bottom of it just isn’t there.

    Mark Steyn is always worth listening to, and he seems to upset the right people.

    Seems like the time for real social justice.  Perhaps folks wielding hockey sticks.  

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  28. Stina Member
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    @CM

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    In this context, “Asian” means Muslim from South Asia, right? We’re not talking about Chinese or Japanese.

    Does anyone have information about the origins of these particular criminals?

    Pakistanis from what I understand of the situation.

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  29. Stina Member
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    @CM

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Mad Gerald (View Comment):

    The nearby Rotherham scandal has been ongoing for years, but it seems the political will to get to the bottom of it just isn’t there.

    Mark Steyn is always worth listening to, and he seems to upset the right people.

    Years = decades. I remember Mark Steyn interviewing a victim In Rotherhan who had borne a son from the abuse. That was at least 6 years ago and the son was a teenager.

    This is the issue that Tommy Robinson has been fighting against after his cousin was abused. And it’s gotten him nothing but heart ache and jail time.

    Mark Steyn is doing a great job on GB News rattling all the right cages.

    Thank you for that name! I was trying to remember the guy who tried to bring the world’s attention to it but was repeatedly blocked and jailed by the UK government.

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  30. Annefy Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Mad Gerald (View Comment):

    The nearby Rotherham scandal has been ongoing for years, but it seems the political will to get to the bottom of it just isn’t there.

    Mark Steyn is always worth listening to, and he seems to upset the right people.

    Years = decades. I remember Mark Steyn interviewing a victim In Rotherhan who had borne a son from the abuse. That was at least 6 years ago and the son was a teenager.

    This is the issue that Tommy Robinson has been fighting against after his cousin was abused. And it’s gotten him nothing but heart ache and jail time.

    Mark Steyn is doing a great job on GB News rattling all the right cages.

    Thank you for that name! I was trying to remember the guy who tried to bring the world’s attention to it but was repeatedly blocked and jailed by the UK government.

     

     

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