NY Responds to the Bruen Decision Overturning Its Concealed-Carry Law

 

It did not take long for New York to respond to the Supreme Court’s decision overturning the onerous conditions placed on lawful gun owners who applied for a concealed-carry firearms permit.  The Wall Street Journal says:

On Thursday, New York lawmakers will vote on a bill that would require people applying for a concealed-weapons permit to attend in-person training sessions and let officials access their mental-health records during a background check, according to people briefed on the measure.

The bill is expected to be approved by the Democratic-controlled state Legislature.

New York’s legislation would also prohibit the possession of guns in government buildings, courthouses, public transportation, hospitals and “places where children gather”, including zoos, parks, playgrounds and educational institutions… Possessions of a handgun in a private business would be banned unless the business expressly allowed people to carry

Can the state require citizens to let them have access to private medical records if they want a concealed-carry permit? New York is giving the finger to the Supreme Court, and probably generating another round of lawsuits that might make their way through the system back to the Supremes in the near future. The Left never gives up.  We should not either.

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  1. tigerlily Member
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    I hope they can slapped down fast by the Supreme Court.

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  2. Quietpi Member
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    What geniusii they are!  Assuring that the most common venues for mass shootings will now be guaranteed target – rich environments.  Why didn’t we think of that?

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  3. Metalheaddoc Member
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    I think the way this works is a state passes a law they know will eventually be overturned, but it stays in effect for a long time while it winds it’s way through the court. Then after it’s overturned, they pass a similar law and the process starts over. Unless you get a judge that puts a hold on the law in question, then it’s just a matter of judge shopping to find one that will let it linger. 

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  4. Cassandro Coolidge
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    I suppose a public street or sidewalk will be classified for this purpose as mass transportation.

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  5. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    The vast majority of NYC dwellers do not own cars.  If they want to travel, they must use public transportation, which means they are not allowed to carry their firearms in public, even with the concealed-carry permit. New law defeats purpose of concealed-carry.  By design.

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  6. Hoyacon Member
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    tigerlily (View Comment):

    I hope they can slapped down fast by the Supreme Court.

    I’m going with federal pre-emption based on HIPPA.

    That’s my 15 second take (no charge), but I’d like to know what the NY AG thinks.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    tigerlily (View Comment):

    I hope they can slapped down fast by the Supreme Court.

    I’m going with federal pre-emption based on HIPPA.

    That’s my 15 second take (no charge), but I’d like to know what the NY AG thinks.

    Can’t they argue that disclosing your medical records is voluntary?  If you want a gun permit.

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  8. Hoyacon Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    tigerlily (View Comment):

    I hope they can slapped down fast by the Supreme Court.

    I’m going with federal pre-emption based on HIPPA.

    That’s my 15 second take (no charge), but I’d like to know what the NY AG thinks.

    Can’t they argue that disclosing your medical records is voluntary? If you want a gun permit.

    They can and probably would.  But they are asking you to waive rights under a federal statute to take advantage of a constitutional protection, just decided.  Don’t think that flies.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    tigerlily (View Comment):

    I hope they can slapped down fast by the Supreme Court.

    I’m going with federal pre-emption based on HIPPA.

    That’s my 15 second take (no charge), but I’d like to know what the NY AG thinks.

    Can’t they argue that disclosing your medical records is voluntary? If you want a gun permit.

    They can and probably would. But they are asking you to waive rights under a federal statute to take advantage of a constitutional protection, just decided. Don’t think that flies.

    Hope not.  But as FJB has said in the past about other constitutional violations, they can get away with it for a while.

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  10. Cassandro Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    tigerlily (View Comment):

    I hope they can slapped down fast by the Supreme Court.

    I’m going with federal pre-emption based on HIPPA.

    That’s my 15 second take (no charge), but I’d like to know what the NY AG thinks.

    Can’t they argue that disclosing your medical records is voluntary? If you want a gun permit.

    Yes, but carrying a gun is a right, though having the permit to carry one (like all licensing) is technically a privilege.

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  11. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Oh but our Side is winning right?

     We don’t get to when we get nothing but losses. Even when we win we lose. 

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  12. Red Herring Coolidge
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    The issues the court decided and states are reacting to are setting up the gradual split in the country. Right now, people are picking sides and deciding whether to move to another state or remain in the countryside of their state. The migration will deepen the political divide between red and blue. The left thinks it can destroy the old and replace it with their utopian vision. Instead, their utopia will not include all 50 states or even half of them..

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  13. Skyler Coolidge
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    My prediction:   85% of those restrictions will be upheld, at least until the dems are out of power.  Considering that NYC was on the other side in the revolution, I won’t hold my breath. 

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  14. Painter Jean Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    tigerlily (View Comment):

    I hope they can slapped down fast by the Supreme Court.

    I’m going with federal pre-emption based on HIPPA.

    That’s my 15 second take (no charge), but I’d like to know what the NY AG thinks.

    I too was wondering about how these new regulations would square with HIPPA rules. 

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  15. Western Chauvinist Member
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    The vast majority of NYC dwellers do not own cars. If they want to travel, they must use public transportation, which means they are not allowed to carry their firearms in public, even with the concealed-carry permit. New law defeats purpose of concealed-carry. By design.

    It’s worse than that. The heavy burden placed on law-abiding citizens does nothing to reduce the risk from the criminal (sometimes mass-murderous) class. And as Quietpi says, it creates a target rich environment — especially involving children — where the murderous sort knows that virtually no one outside of law enforcement will be carrying a weapon for defensive purposes.

    And you know what they say about law enforcement — when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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  16. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    The vast majority of NYC dwellers do not own cars. If they want to travel, they must use public transportation, which means they are not allowed to carry their firearms in public, even with the concealed-carry permit. New law defeats purpose of concealed-carry. By design.

    It’s worse than that. The heavy burden place on law-abiding citizens does nothing to reduce the risk from the criminal (sometimes mass-murderous) class. And as Quietpi says, it creates a target rich environment — especially involving children — where the murderous sort knows that virtually no one outside of law enforcement will be carrying a weapon for defensive purposes.

    And you know what they say about law enforcement — when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

     

    We lose again.

    No thanks to the GOP.

    They don’t care. They have their money their safe lives. Can’t do crap. Can’t lift  finger to actually win.

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  17. Zafar Member
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    Quietpi (View Comment):

    What geniusii they are! Assuring that the most common venues for mass shootings will now be guaranteed target – rich environments. Why didn’t we think of that?

    Genii?

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    Quietpi (View Comment):

    What geniusii they are! Assuring that the most common venues for mass shootings will now be guaranteed target – rich environments. Why didn’t we think of that?

    It’s not new.  Schools etc have been “gun-free zones” for years.

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  19. Derek Tyburczyk Lincoln
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    https://babylonbee.com/video/frightening-but-100-true-facts-about-guns

     

    Leave it to The Bee, to gain perspective into the mind of the unenlightened. Sorry, but didn’t know how to embed the video in my car. Not driving! Enjoy. And Happy 4th of July to all at Ricochet!

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  20. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    More details from Fox News:

    The new law will require people trying to purchase a handgun license to hand over a list of social media accounts they have maintained over the last three years, so officials can verify their “character and conduct.”

    Individuals applying for a license to carry a handgun will also be required to provide four character references and take 16 hours of gun safety training and two hours of shooting practice at a range. They will be subject to periodic background checks and will have to turn over social media accounts and contact information for adults living in their household.

     

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  21. I Walton Member
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    It was signed into law immediately.  New York has rejected the constitution.  Can we accept its declaration?   What is California doing?

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  22. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    I wrote another check to the NY State Rifle and Pistol Association, of which I have been a proud member for years. That’s the most immediate thing we can do.

    The next thing is to vote for Lee Zeldin for Governor if you live in NY State. For too long, all a Democrat governor candidate has had to do is win six districts in New York City, and to hell with the rest of the state. Because of the COVID and tax out-migration, and the coming red wave, this year could be different. Zeldin wasn’t my first choice, but he’ll do.

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  23. John Hanson Thatcher
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    Obvious that this is intended to keep the law-abiding citizen from exercising his right to self-defense outside the home. It makes a complete mockery of the recent Supreme Court decision and will require further lawsuits to resolve.  In particular, the requirement to provide social media accounts and allow the government to make decisions on whether or not you have the right friends, is abhorrent, and clearly oversteps the SC decision, overall this leaves NYers roughly somewhat worse than before.  In rural areas prior law left room for local officials to grant permits that new law tries to foreclose. Will take at least a decade to resolve, and we better hope Dems don’t get back in control, because will take only months under such a regime to reverse.

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  24. Thursby Member
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    Will this apply to the lucky CCL owners they already have?  Body guards of celebrities? Celebrities themselves? 

     

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  25. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    The vast majority of NYC dwellers do not own cars. If they want to travel, they must use public transportation, which means they are not allowed to carry their firearms in public, even with the concealed-carry permit. New law defeats purpose of concealed-carry. By design.

    It’s worse than that. The heavy burden placed on law-abiding citizens does nothing to reduce the risk from the criminal (sometimes mass-murderous) class.

    From what I’ve read, most murders are committed by felons who are already prohibited from owning firearms–and by people already known to be dangerously insane.

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  26. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    More details from Fox News:

    The new law will require people trying to purchase a handgun license to hand over a list of social media accounts they have maintained over the last three years, so officials can verify their “character and conduct.”

    Individuals applying for a license to carry a handgun will also be required to provide four character references and take 16 hours of gun safety training and two hours of shooting practice at a range. They will be subject to periodic background checks and will have to turn over social media accounts and contact information for adults living in their household.

     

    Good grief.  This is going to be overturned but in the meantime, how is the implementation going to work?  If I work in the Department of CCW Permit Denials, how much time per applicant am I given to scour all the comments they have written?  Just what criteria can be used for a denial?  Do I just stamp the form “Denied” or do I have to provide examples of the offensive comments?

    I would love to see a New York legislator go to get their drivers license renewed and have the clerk tell them that we first have to examine your social media accounts.  Please give us a few months to do this.

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