Are You Fighting for Liberty Too?

 

How much do you know about the men who signed the Declaration of Independence, men like Carter Braxton, Thomas McKeam, Francis Lewis, and John Hart? Do you know what cost they paid for taking that stand?

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Patriots, standing for liberty will always cost you something, but you must remember that the cost you’re paying today will be worth so much more in history’s accounting.

Has standing for liberty cost you a job, a promotion, a relationship? Has it cost you followers or influence? Has it meant the loss of church family, a platform, or left you feeling marginalized?

Has it resulted in your incarceration or persecution?

The signers of the Declaration would be proud of you. You’re one of them and worthy of the nation they created for you. So fly your flag and let freedom ring. Tell the surrender class, “No, I will not comply,” because you are an American, and you do not fear tyranny, nor make exceptions for it.

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  1. Vance Richards Member
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    Vince Guerra:

    Patriots, standing for liberty will always cost you something, but you must remember that the cost you’re paying today will be worth so much more in history’s accounting.

    Yet too many will be like this guy . .  .

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  2. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    It’s hard to find, but here is a video of Ted Cruz reading the letter from Rush Limbaugh’s father about the signers of the declaration.

    https://rumble.com/vaen6d-the-americans-who-risked-everything.html

     

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  3. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty.  I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others.  In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

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  4. Vince Guerra Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty. I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others. In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

    It shows. Without liberty you’ll lose those virtues rather quickly. Remember when they closed your church and made you think it was an act of kindness? 

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  5. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty. I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others. In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

    It shows. Without liberty you’ll lose those virtues rather quickly. Remember when they closed your church and made you think it was an act of kindness?

    This is not true, Vince.  Liberty and virtue are often in tension.  Illegitimacy and adultery are just two examples.

    I think that the liberty uber alles view that you express is the biggest problem that we face today.

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  6. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty. I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others. In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

    It shows. Without liberty you’ll lose those virtues rather quickly. Remember when they closed your church and made you think it was an act of kindness?

    This is not true, Vince. Liberty and virtue are often in tension. Illegitimacy and adultery are just two examples.

    I think that the liberty uber alles view that you express is the biggest problem that we face today.

    Well since you’re going to throw that accusation now why don’t you actually back it up.

     

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  7. Vince Guerra Member
    Vince Guerra
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty. I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others. In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

    It shows. Without liberty you’ll lose those virtues rather quickly. Remember when they closed your church and made you think it was an act of kindness?

    This is not true, Vince. Liberty and virtue are often in tension. Illegitimacy and adultery are just two examples.

    I think that the liberty uber alles view that you express is the biggest problem that we face today.

    So you’re okay with a little bit of tyranny? How much? God granted freewill, if you’ll recall. That includes the freedom to follow His teaching or not. Are you in favor of prohibiting the free exercise of religion?

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  8. kylez Member
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    Don’t know anything about those names, except John Hart was my 4th grade teacher’s ancestor. (Mrs. Hart).

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  9. Cassandro Coolidge
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty. I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others. In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

    It shows. Without liberty you’ll lose those virtues rather quickly. Remember when they closed your church and made you think it was an act of kindness?

    This is not true, Vince. Liberty and virtue are often in tension. Illegitimacy and adultery are just two examples.

    I think that the liberty uber alles view that you express is the biggest problem that we face today.

    So you’re okay with a little bit of tyranny? How much? God granted freewill, if you’ll recall. That includes the freedom to follow His teaching or not. Are you in favor of prohibiting the free exercise of religion?

    Yes.  I think liberty is a good thing.  Not to keep beating the same drum, but faithfully condensed from the OED —

    Tyranny: the government of a tyrant, an absolute ruler, or a usurper.

    Tyrant: oppressive, unjust or cruel absolute ruler; one who acts in a cruel, violent, or wicked manner.

    Liberty: absence of slavery, oppression, or coercion.

    A qualified liberty exists as a social or civic freedom, specifically “ordered liberty”.

    Nowhere does the OED say that liberty equates, or even relates to, libertinism, promiscuity, or wanton, uncontrolled, or unrestrained behavior.

     

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  10. I Walton Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty. I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others. In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

    ??

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  11. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Having to stand up cancel culture seems to be to be where we can fight the most.

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  12. Ole Summers Member
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    I Walton (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty. I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others. In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

    ??

    This is only true if Liberty is confused with license, which is a common deliberate “mistake” on the part of too many. We do not help by following their lead in this. Liberty is ordered, responsible and not easy because it involves choices that fall to the individual. Virtue is about several things but ultimately it results in choices made by individuals, both personally and collective as a culture of Liberty. The lasting virtue that eventually guides the whole requires Liberty, real, actual Liberty and not the convenient type. It is hard to teach, maintain, and nurture but it is vital for growth of the virtue we need in a very, very long path toward what we can and should be. 

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  13. Ole Summers Member
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    And I will admit that virtue (as stated by the Founders/Framers) is a key part of our system so Virtue and Liberty go hand-in-hand – a part of why so many have not been able to pull it off in the past – and why we still struggle with its course and always will in this imperfect world but can still move the ball 

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  14. philo Member
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    I Walton (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty. I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others. In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

    ??

    Just another AZ lawyer screaming: “Don’t take me seriously, folks.” (See also: “I think that the liberty uber alles view that you express is the biggest problem that we face today.”)

    (Actually, much of this goes back to his misguided and/or situationally obtuse, floating definitions of “liberty” (e.g. attempted serious use of the passage “excess of liberty” if very telling) but…I long ago tired of his game here. It’s all there in the comment history…have at it if you wish.)

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  15. Stina Member
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    Ole Summers (View Comment):

    I Walton (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty. I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others. In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

    ??

    This is only true if Liberty is confused with license, which is a common deliberate “mistake” on the part of too many. We do not help by following their lead in this. Liberty is ordered, responsible and not easy because it involves choices that fall to the individual. Virtue is about several things but ultimately it results in choices made by individuals, both personally and collective as a culture of Liberty. The lasting virtue that eventually guides the whole requires Liberty, real, actual Liberty and not the convenient type. It is hard to teach, maintain, and nurture but it is vital for growth of the virtue we need in a very, very long path toward what we can and should be.

    Liberty requires taking responsibility for your free choices. Libertinism shields you from those consequences, excusing them as a byproduct of something else more dreadful and oppressive.

    To the libertine, Liberty IS oppressive tyranny because the consequences of their choices and lifestyles are onerous and never their fault. Abortion, free health care, indiscriminate welfare, shielding, protecting, blaming others.

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  16. Steven Seward Member
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    kylez (View Comment):

    Don’t know anything about those names, except John Hart was my 4th grade teacher’s ancestor. (Mrs. Hart).

    If I remember right, he was my ancestor, too.

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  17. Steven Seward Member
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    I don’t think this debate about Liberty vs. too much Liberty is fruitful when you are just speaking in generalities.  I can think of all sorts of specific circumstances in which each side would apply.  For instance, Jerry’s too much Liberty would apply to Black lives Matters rioters, looters, and killers who were allowed to roam wantonly and faced little prosecution.  We also give huge liberties to mothers and doctors in some States to kill their unborn child just before giving birth.  People on the other side of our Mexican border are given liberty to cross into America any time they want and then are free to get welfare benefits.

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  18. Skyler Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’m more interested in fighting for virtue at the present time, rather than liberty. I am concerned about liberty with respect to some issues at present, but not others. In some areas, our problem seems to be an excess of liberty.

    It shows. Without liberty you’ll lose those virtues rather quickly. Remember when they closed your church and made you think it was an act of kindness?

    This is not true, Vince. Liberty and virtue are often in tension. Illegitimacy and adultery are just two examples.

    I think that the liberty uber alles view that you express is the biggest problem that we face today.

    Wow, just wow.

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  19. Charlotte Member
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    Vince Guerra:

    Patriots, standing for liberty will always cost you something, but you must remember that the cost you’re paying today will be worth so much more in history’s accounting.

    Has standing for liberty cost you a job, a promotion, a relationship? Has it cost you followers or influence? Has it meant the loss of church family, a platform, or left you feeling marginalized?

    Sadly, no. I am deeply closeted in my work, social, and even many family relationships. So put me down as cowardly and part of the problem.

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  20. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra:

    Patriots, standing for liberty will always cost you something, but you must remember that the cost you’re paying today will be worth so much more in history’s accounting.

    Has standing for liberty cost you a job, a promotion, a relationship? Has it cost you followers or influence? Has it meant the loss of church family, a platform, or left you feeling marginalized?

    Sadly, no. I am deeply closeted in my work, social, and even many family relationships. So put me down as cowardly and part of the problem.

    The problem becomes, if we are going to martyr ourselves, we need to know we might win. The powerful on our side won’t help us.

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