Nothing Is Ever Going Back to Normal

 

National Review — after previously offering that Drag Queen Story Hour was a “blessing of liberty”  and railing against Florida Governor Ron de Santis for modest efforts at pushing back against the left — finds itself shocked… shockedat the metastasizing phenomenon of leftists foisting drag shows (featuring men strutting pretending to be women as if women were clown-prostitutes) on children. “Oh, my heck!” they proclaim. “Who could have foreseen that if we indulged the left in their depravity they would push it even further?

It’s understandable why (Bush) Republicans and (Atlantic) Conservatives would prefer not to fight the culture wars. It’s just not gentlemanly/ladylike to make a big fuss about leftists sexualizing children. It’s icky and Trumpy to confront the left about their cultural ambitions and their use of every lever of Government to promote them.  And because they don’t want to fight, it’s very easy to succumb to denialism. “Yes, sure, there are a few crazies on the fringe of the left, but most of them don’t want to get gay with kids. And if we just calmed down and found some common ground we could get back to normal. Hey, why are those people over there making those kids shove cash in that transvestite’s thong?”

In Defense of Political Escalation,” Abigail Shrier makes the eminently logical point that the left has no intention of ending the culture wars, or even a ceasefire.

Those waiting on the mythical pendulum to “swing back,” should stop holding their breath. The gender activists are True Believers, akin to jihadists: no amount of reasoning diminishes their resolve, no appeal to data brings them pause, no urge to consider the sanctity of American liberties will convince them to cool it.

While conservatives have been waiting for things to calm down and get back to normal, and fretting that “we oughtn’t do things that are at odds with our precious principles,” the left have seized not just Government power, but also academic power, media power, and even corporate power which they eagerly wield against anyone who dissents from Woke ideology.

If the woke continue to gain ground, where will we skeptics go to educate our children, transact commerce, find fair adjudication of our custody disputes? Where will we publish when not only the New York Times has a “gender director”—when every publication does?

That is the worry that likely motivates DeSantis, the first politician to “weaponize” the Florida tax code. He brought its hammer down on Disney to punish that one company for using its immense corporate coffers to lobby against parents’ rights in Florida. In principle, it’s a move I’m leery of. (And in the case of sending CPS after moms and dads who take their kids to drag shows, it’s a move I would oppose.)

But the gist of this stratagem—escalation—may be necessary. Indeed, it already seems to be working. Playing offense, even raising the stakes, may be the only means of achieving a much-needed truce. I’m out of better ideas. How about you?

Yeah, if there is another way to bring the culture back to plumb, I would be interested to hear it. But pundits writing hand-wringing articles in magazines that are only read by other pundits doesn’t seem like an effective solution to me.

And it’s not just the gender bending. The left will never give up on CRT. They will never give up on Climate Totalitarianism. They will never, despite John Cornyn’s delusions,  give up on zero-tolerance gun control.

They don’t want to make a deal; they want our complete submission.

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  1. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    There’s something else going on here, an undercurrent of anti-snobbery snobbery: . . .

    Did you just . . . advocate for snobbery?

     

    • #121
  2. HeavyWater Reagan
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    By the way, Trump thought North Carolina’s bathroom bill was anti-LGBTQ, and said that transgender people should be able to use whatever restroom they wanted to. Not exactly a warrior on this cultural battlefront…

    And if you argue that Trump is wrong on transgender issues, you can be called a RINO for advocating that only actual, biological women should be allowed in women’s bathrooms.  

    • #122
  3. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    @HartmannvonAue

    Repeat after me: Santorum was right, Dr. James Dobson was right, Michael Medved was right, anyone who was saying that “gay marriage” was a slippery slope, was right …only it was a precipice, not a slope. 

    • #123
  4. HeavyWater Reagan
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

     

    I just glanced at the NR homepage. Nothing about the ongoing invasion of our Southern border, of course. There is a news article about the protestors at Amy Coney Barrett’s house, but nothing about how this is just the latest novel leftist subversion of our institutions. Worry about leftist subversion of things like elections and judicial independence is just so Trumpian, isn’t it? But there’s an article about how Liz Cheney is sticking it to Trump supporters, about how inflation might be worse by November (news flash!), and another about how Biden falling off his bike may have lifted the taboo on talking about his age.

    Whistling past the graveyard.

     

    But there have been articles about the immigration crisis. I’m sorry that when you looked at them today they weren’t covering all of the issues you want them to, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t covered. Are you seriously going to suggest that your one-time glance gives you a complete idea of what is covered?

    There’s something else going on here, an undercurrent of anti-snobbery snobbery: here are people who don’t think like I do on everything….. Most of them don’t think the election was stolen…..They must be snobs! Yes, that explains it all!

    The unacknowledged possibility is that Trump bungled the 2020 election and now wants to shift the blame for this defeat by talking about a stolen election.   

    • #124
  5. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    The unacknowledged possibility is that Trump bungled the 2020 election and now wants to shift the blame for this defeat by talking about a stolen election.

    Unacknowledged? You and your comrades fill thread after thread with this silly take.

    • #125
  6. AMD Texas Coolidge
    AMD Texas
    @DarinJohnson

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

     

    I just glanced at the NR homepage. Nothing about the ongoing invasion of our Southern border, of course. There is a news article about the protestors at Amy Coney Barrett’s house, but nothing about how this is just the latest novel leftist subversion of our institutions. Worry about leftist subversion of things like elections and judicial independence is just so Trumpian, isn’t it? But there’s an article about how Liz Cheney is sticking it to Trump supporters, about how inflation might be worse by November (news flash!), and another about how Biden falling off his bike may have lifted the taboo on talking about his age.

    Whistling past the graveyard.

     

    But there have been articles about the immigration crisis. I’m sorry that when you looked at them today they weren’t covering all of the issues you want them to, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t covered. Are you seriously going to suggest that your one-time glance gives you a complete idea of what is covered?

    There’s something else going on here, an undercurrent of anti-snobbery snobbery: here are people who don’t think like I do on everything….. Most of them don’t think the election was stolen…..They must be snobs! Yes, that explains it all!

    The unacknowledged possibility is that Trump bungled the 2020 election and now wants to shift the blame for this defeat by talking about a stolen election.

    I think this is the truth not just a possibility. The election was bungled when the Democrats changed the rules for voting prior to the election in many of the key swing states. Trump and the Republican party did not fight this properly and prevent it from happening. He was warned time and time again to get into the game and stop this and he ignored it. I voted for him twice but I think his day is done and he should let DeSantis carry the torch forward.

    • #126
  7. Painter Jean Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):
    But there’s an article about how Liz Cheney is sticking it to Trump supporters

    You mean this one:

    The January 6 Show

    By The EditorsThe January 6 hearings have many villains and fools, but the record of Donald Trump’s conduct is especially damning. O r This One:

    Liz Cheney Is Winning the January 6 Committee

    By Andrew C. McCarthyShe has used her platform to make a powerful showing that Trump is unfit and that Republicans would be on a suicide mission if they nominated him again. I really wish the comments were about Abigail Shrier on Substack and not NR, but you never know where a discussion is going to go once it’s kicked off.

    Of course, they’re paywalled so if a NeverTrump Junkie needs their fix, they’re going to have to pay. First taste is free, and so forth.

    You seem to think that by listing the titles of the podcast and article, you’ve proven something. What, exactly? If you have specific objections to specific points, I’d be happy to hear them. If you don’t have specific objections to what is actually said, then you’ve wasted your time typing.

    • #127
  8. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    The point is that the original poster alleges that National Review had been soft on Drag Queen Story Hour, and now we have drag queens exposing themselves to children at Pride parades. I guess we were supposed to link those two. But National Review has never supported the idea, so cherished by the LGBTQ community

    For one, NR is being dumped on for failing to see the connection between French’s editorial of “blessing of liberty” and “how the hell did we get here???”

    McCarthy could have written a response to French at the time, but it just wasn’t that big a deal. A fringe cultural issue that would never become more than that, right?

    This position from a “conservative” publication is just one more instance of them being incredibly clueless on the culture war issues.

    Second, Trump’s views on homosexuality are well known and were tolerated for his positions on OTHER things – that are the responsibility of president. Immigration, foreign policy, trade. And his view that these issues be decided at the state level made him harmless on these issues as president. I would never elect him governor. He was a GREAT president.

    But Trump criticized the Republican Governor of North Carolina and the Republican North Carolina state legislature for enacting a bathroom bill that gave real actual biological women some privacy in women’s bathrooms.

    You can give him a pass for that if you want. But others might hold it against him.

    Which I do.  

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  9. Painter Jean Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

     

    He also thinks it is a state’s right to decide.

     

    Completely the opposite: Trump emphatically did NOT support the state of North Carolina, he supported the idea that guys who call themselves gals should be allowed to use the women’s bathroom. That’s far more egregious in my mind, and corrosive to the culture, then David French supporting the First Amendment.

    • #129
  10. Painter Jean Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    There’s something else going on here, an undercurrent of anti-snobbery snobbery: . . .

    Did you just . . . advocate for snobbery?

     

    No, quite the opposite. I often hear, in criticisms of National Review, that they’re somehow posh and snobby, but I don’t know where that comes from other than the kind of snobbery that thinks that those who use reason and write well are snobs.

    • #130
  11. Painter Jean Member
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    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Repeat after me: Santorum was right, Dr. James Dobson was right, Michael Medved was right, anyone who was saying that “gay marriage” was a slippery slope, was right …only it was a precipice, not a slope.

    I agree. As soon as you accept the idea that gender doesn’t matter to marriage, you pave the way for gender to not matter.

    • #131
  12. Painter Jean Member
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    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

     

    I just glanced at the NR homepage. Nothing about the ongoing invasion of our Southern border, of course. There is a news article about the protestors at Amy Coney Barrett’s house, but nothing about how this is just the latest novel leftist subversion of our institutions. Worry about leftist subversion of things like elections and judicial independence is just so Trumpian, isn’t it? But there’s an article about how Liz Cheney is sticking it to Trump supporters, about how inflation might be worse by November (news flash!), and another about how Biden falling off his bike may have lifted the taboo on talking about his age.

    Whistling past the graveyard.

     

    But there have been articles about the immigration crisis. I’m sorry that when you looked at them today they weren’t covering all of the issues you want them to, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t covered. Are you seriously going to suggest that your one-time glance gives you a complete idea of what is covered?

    There’s something else going on here, an undercurrent of anti-snobbery snobbery: here are people who don’t think like I do on everything….. Most of them don’t think the election was stolen…..They must be snobs! Yes, that explains it all!

    The unacknowledged possibility is that Trump bungled the 2020 election and now wants to shift the blame for this defeat by talking about a stolen election.

    I think this is the truth not just a possibility. The election was bungled when the Democrats changed the rules for voting prior to the election in many of the key swing states. Trump and the Republican party did not fight this properly and prevent it from happening. He was warned time and time again to get into the game and stop this and he ignored it. I voted for him twice but I think his day is done and he should let DeSantis carry the torch forward.

    Trump never made any effort to win back the suburban voters who had left him (and in that first debate, gave them plenty of reasons to not to go back). He barely won against Hillary, one of the most disliked public figures ever to darken the political arena. I agree – time for someone else. And someone who isn’t pushing 80!

    • #132
  13. Jager Coolidge
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    @Jager

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):
    But there’s an article about how Liz Cheney is sticking it to Trump supporters

    You mean this one:

    The January 6 Show

    By The EditorsThe January 6 hearings have many villains and fools, but the record of Donald Trump’s conduct is especially damning. O r This One:

    Liz Cheney Is Winning the January 6 Committee

    By Andrew C. McCarthyShe has used her platform to make a powerful showing that Trump is unfit and that Republicans would be on a suicide mission if they nominated him again. I really wish the comments were about Abigail Shrier on Substack and not NR, but you never know where a discussion is going to go once it’s kicked off.

    Of course, they’re paywalled so if a NeverTrump Junkie needs their fix, they’re going to have to pay. First taste is free, and so forth.

    You seem to think that by listing the titles of the podcast and article, you’ve proven something. What, exactly? If you have specific objections to specific points, I’d be happy to hear them. If you don’t have specific objections to what is actually said, then you’ve wasted your time typing.

    Multiple things can be possible at the same time. Trump could have behaved better on Jan, 6th, it may be time for Trump to step aside for someone like Desantis and the Jan 6th Committee is an improperly formed group that exists only for political theater not to find the “truth” NR doesn’t do itself favors by publishing the position that this is a real committee and that its findings matter (either to finding the truth or to voters).

    Goody for Liz Cheney she is really sticking it to Trump on her way to an embarrassing loss of her own seat. She represents Wyoming, the people there wish she would spend time on the issues that matter them, not her personal crusade. 

    • #133
  14. Stina Member
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    @CM

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    The point is that the original poster alleges that National Review had been soft on Drag Queen Story Hour, and now we have drag queens exposing themselves to children at Pride parades. I guess we were supposed to link those two. But National Review has never supported the idea, so cherished by the LGBTQ community

    For one, NR is being dumped on for failing to see the connection between French’s editorial of “blessing of liberty” and “how the hell did we get here???”

    McCarthy could have written a response to French at the time, but it just wasn’t that big a deal. A fringe cultural issue that would never become more than that, right?

    This position from a “conservative” publication is just one more instance of them being incredibly clueless on the culture war issues.

     

    But I disagree with the premise – I emphatically DON’T see the connection between support for the First Amendment, even when it supports things we don’t like, and this alleged “how did we get here” response. I read National Review, and so I simply don’t recognize National Review in your framing of the issue – it’s a straw-man.

    You don’t see it, but I did. They don’t like so-cons and they write mealy mouthed “conservative case for progressive cause du jour” stuff. If they stopped that, good for them. I used to read them 2-3 times a week. That’s what I got out of them. I liked French’s absolutist position on the 2A, but I think even he has moderated away from that. 

    I am not a free trader. I’m a nationalist. They hate my views. They do not support it. That’s all there is to it.

    • #134
  15. Stina Member
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    @CM

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    There’s something else going on here, an undercurrent of anti-snobbery snobbery: . . .

    Did you just . . . advocate for snobbery?

     

    No, quite the opposite. I often hear, in criticisms of National Review, that they’re somehow posh and snobby, but I don’t know where that comes from other than the kind of snobbery that thinks that those who use reason and write well are snobs.

    people who don’t move deserve to die?

    • #135
  16. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Oh goodie, 101 comments to catch up!

    • #136
  17. Concretevol Thatcher
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    @Concretevol

    Stina (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    There’s something else going on here, an undercurrent of anti-snobbery snobbery: . . .

    Did you just . . . advocate for snobbery?

     

    No, quite the opposite. I often hear, in criticisms of National Review, that they’re somehow posh and snobby, but I don’t know where that comes from other than the kind of snobbery that thinks that those who use reason and write well are snobs.

    people who don’t move deserve to die?

    Awwww, did Kevin Williamson hurt your feels?   How dare someone suggest people go to where the jobs are instead of waiting for government handouts……..

    • #137
  18. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    It isn’t just that they don’t support my views. It’s that I’m an ignorant, white supremacist hick who voted for a man with no policy positions because I’m stupid.

    That is the line. And it’s why I’m not big on you, either. It’s the idea that people who had no reservations about voting for Trump in the 2016 primaries must have been personality cult worshipers. That attitude came from there. It’s prevalence on Ricochet in 2015-2020 came from NR. The drink bleach, Covington kids, Nazis = good people – all of that was regurgitated by NR writers.

    Understand this – I’m not ashamed of my political views or the beliefs that formed them. I’m not ashamed of my vote for Trump. And it was not worship, but voting for the only man on the playing field that even attempted to articulate my own views. NR loses because they think those policies are worthless. 

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):
    NR allows these columns in its pages, but it has long been the position of the magazine that it allows its writers great latitude in the choices of their subjects and how they want to write about said subjects. Debate among the various column and writers is encouraged and expected.

    John Derbyshire and Mark Steyn might beg to differ.

    IIRC, Derb was let go because of his “The Talk” essay published in Taki magazine, not anything he published at NR. I would have made a different decision. I also believe that if Derb submitted the essay to NT, the editors would not have published it.

    I have that essay saved, it’s valuable.

    • #139
  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    If cities and states can pass laws to ban DQSH from public venues, they have the right to do so. The feds do not.

    I reject David French’s anti-conservative libertarianism. I prefer Sohrab Amari’s conservatism applied locally. Localities have the right to push for the social rules they want to live with. The federal government has no business interfering until it interferes with rights. Drag Queen Story Hour isn’t a right and it isn’t free speech. It is indecent exposure in a public venue to minors.

    Same with teaching kids in public schools about gay marriage and trans issues. That’s not a free speech issue, either.

    States are supposed to have more latitude in their laws. They are the laboratories of governing policy. NOT the federal government.

    It appears to me that you have completely misunderstood both French’s and Amari’s positions. French is arguing against federal legislation banning these things, not state and local. French is not an “anti-conservative libertarian “.

    French disagrees with DeSantis’s position towards Disney. Ergo, he is anti-state interference. I do not misunderstand French. I used to read him a lot. I listened to his podcast. You just saying I misunderstand is not an argument.

    I stated that you misunderstood French’s position because in the article that is linked to in the original post, French is arguing against federal interference in 1st Amendment matters. He is not against local movements per se, as you seem to think he is. His stated positions on Florida’s actions against Disney, 1 – weren’t made when he was with National Review, so in a “let’s all sneer at National Review” post, it seems beside the point; and 2 – his objection isn’t based on the idea that states shouldn’t interfere, but is based on 1st Amendment principles – remember when Chick-Fil-A was banned from having concessions in some airport because of its alleged anti-lgbtq position? Conservatives were outraged, and rightly so. Now it’s OK, because it’s our guys doing the action! I happen to think DeSantis was correct in reacting to Disney, but I don’t think removing the “special district” status was the way to go about it, as the local taxpayers will bear the brunt, not Disney.

    How does Disney basically paying taxes to itself to provide water and what-not, really different from Disney paying taxes to a county to do the same?

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  21. Stina Member
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    @CM

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    There’s something else going on here, an undercurrent of anti-snobbery snobbery: . . .

    Did you just . . . advocate for snobbery?

     

    No, quite the opposite. I often hear, in criticisms of National Review, that they’re somehow posh and snobby, but I don’t know where that comes from other than the kind of snobbery that thinks that those who use reason and write well are snobs.

    people who don’t move deserve to die?

    Awwww, did Kevin Williamson hurt your feels? How dare someone suggest people go to where the jobs are instead of waiting for government handouts……..

    Snobbery…

    How dare someone question the wisdom of familial isolation?

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  22. HeavyWater Reagan
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    There’s something else going on here, an undercurrent of anti-snobbery snobbery: . . .

    Did you just . . . advocate for snobbery?

     

    No, quite the opposite. I often hear, in criticisms of National Review, that they’re somehow posh and snobby, but I don’t know where that comes from other than the kind of snobbery that thinks that those who use reason and write well are snobs.

    people who don’t move deserve to die?

    Awwww, did Kevin Williamson hurt your feels? How dare someone suggest people go to where the jobs are instead of waiting for government handouts……..

    Snobbery…

    How dare someone question the wisdom of familial isolation?

    Sometimes you have to move to where the work is, not just sit at home and collect food stamps.  

    • #142
  23. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    These parents are exposing their kids to this kind of garbage because they want to expose their kids to this. So – what do you propose to do about that?

    Call in child protective services. Shut down the public library until the people running that library are forcibly removed from their positions.

    Better idea: if the books available and programs sponsored by public libraries in a community can’t reflect the values of said community nor be subject to oversight by said communities, let’s get rid of public libraries.

    How about this?  At least for books, if the new fad among libraries is to not charge late fees, check out all of those books and don’t return them.  If they restock, do it again.

    • #143
  24. Concretevol Thatcher
    Concretevol
    @Concretevol

    I was going to quote parts of the post but the entire thing is nonsense in my opinion.  What kind of inferiority complex makes someone purposefully misstate all these positions and opinions.  I feel like I just read a page from Daily Kos.  As just one example, David French’s debate with Ahmari is just that…French’s opinion not National Review’s opinion.  National Review always has and continues to offer multiple opinions on topics, something a lot of people around here obviously will not tolerate.   

    As someone who actually wears a hardhat every day, this populist anti-intellectualism posing (THEY TALK ALL FANCY!) seems about as genuine to me as 80’s democrats shouting about how they are “for the working man”.  I’m not buying it. 

    • #144
  25. Stina Member
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    @CM

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    There’s something else going on here, an undercurrent of anti-snobbery snobbery: . . .

    Did you just . . . advocate for snobbery?

     

    No, quite the opposite. I often hear, in criticisms of National Review, that they’re somehow posh and snobby, but I don’t know where that comes from other than the kind of snobbery that thinks that those who use reason and write well are snobs.

    people who don’t move deserve to die?

    Awwww, did Kevin Williamson hurt your feels? How dare someone suggest people go to where the jobs are instead of waiting for government handouts……..

    Snobbery…

    How dare someone question the wisdom of familial isolation?

    Sometimes you have to move to where the work is, not just sit at home and collect food stamps.

    Again, isolating people from family and community is not good. If your economic policies depend on people moving far from their families to get service jobs in big cities, there is something wrong with the policies.

    And there were.

    People who are far removed from family are more dependent on government assistance because their family isn’t around. And service industry jobs still use government assistance.

    • #145
  26. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    I’m certainly not ashamed of my vote for President Trump. I’m shocked that Ricochet’s Biden voters are okay with what he’s done to this country. Perhaps they blame President Trump . . . somehow . . . for what Biden’s done.

    But I wasn’t ashamed at any time between 2016 and 2020 either, no matter how many times Ricochet’s Biden voters declared that I was racist for voting for Trump, some kind of cult member for voting for Trump, anti-intellectual for voting for Trump, a red-neck savage from flyover country for voting for Trump, a drug-addicted welfare recipient for voting for Trump, or whatever new slur they could come up with because they decided they were so much better than I was because they knew better than to vote for the awful Orange Man. One infamous Ricochet member insisted that Ricochet’s Trump voters must all apologize for their votes.

    I know who should be ashamed of their votes, and it’s not me.

    • #146
  27. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    This is what I’m talking about. The NR readers think the only legitimate argument to dying towns is they need to move or die.

    The economic policy discussion isn’t allowed by them. They are going to double and triple down on their views and refuse to even consider that maybe the economic policies are contributory and while moving is a part of life, maybe we could look into seeing if our policies are making that movement a social disaster and not just a normal part of life.

    • #147
  28. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

     

    Second, Trump’s views on homosexuality are well known and were tolerated for his positions on OTHER things –

     

    I never said anything about Trump’s views on homosexuality. I mentioned his support of the LGBTQ position that dudes should be allowed in women’s bathrooms. That’s not a homosexual issue.

    Trump’s views on allowing dudes in women’s bathrooms is pretty radical left. The Republicans of North Carolina were trying to give women privacy in women’s bathrooms and some corporations threatened boycotts of North Carolina. Trump sided with the corporations threatening to boycott North Carolina.

    I have to agree that Trump was very disappointing on issues of sodomy and other abominations, and on straight sexual morality, too.  He was pretty strong on abortion.  Other than that, I thought that he was weak on social issues.

    The third-of-a-loaf or so that we got from Trump was better than social conservatives did with prior Republican Presidents.

    In hindsight, I find G. W. Bush to have been the worst.  I remember being upset about it, at the time, when he opposed same-sex marriage but supported civil unions.  He was willing to concede everything but the word marriage.  I’m not sure, but back in the early-to-mid-2000s, there might have been the political will to stop that sodomite agenda, if we’d had a Republican leader willing to take on the issue.

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
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    Concretevol (View Comment):
    As someone who actually wears a hardhat every day, this populist anti-intellectualism posing (THEY TALK ALL FANCY!) seems about as genuine to me as 80’s democrats shouting about how they are “for the working man”.  I’m not buying it. 

    Rick Wilson, is that you?

    Gosh, I wonder why Trump voters loathe these people.

     

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Concretevol (View Comment):
    I feel like I just read a page from Daily Kos.

    Ah, once again I see the deployment of this lazy slur. If you disagree with the Trump-haters, you’re a far-leftist.

    Boring. Bored now.

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