What If Dems Succeed in Keeping Trump Off the 2024 Ballot?

 

One theory about the J6 Committee is that its goal is to render President Trump ineligible for the 2024 ballot. Like the lawsuits brought against Republican Congressional Representatives  Marjory Taylor Green, Madison Cawthorn, Tom Tiffany and Scott Fitzgerald, and Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, the objective is to disqualify Donald John Trump under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Although this is laughable on its face (no “insurrection” took place much less was there any action on the part of any Republican officer accused to engage in such) let’s just imagine that the Democrats put on their “show trial” and create a record to be presented to a court. Let us further suppose that said court actually issues a decision, upheld on appeal, that President Trump is disqualified from running for President in 2024. Will this be a victory for the Democrats?

I would argue that this is the last thing they should want. Why? Because President Trump was a reaction to the Progressive takeover of the Democratic Party, not the cause of Progressive setbacks in 2016-2020. President Trump personified and articulated the concern of millions of patriotic Americans who felt abandoned by politicians of both parties. So when GOPe candidates in 2016 brought out all the bromides that had brought in campaign funds but never stopped and hardly slowed the progressive march through our institutions and government it is unsurprising to the “uninformed” and ordinary folks that Trump got the nomination. Since I was “informed” and expected him to fail in the electoral contest and was reluctant for his candidacy since I was so well “informed” I didn’t think he could win.

But I was delighted he did. His policies delighted me. His pre-pandemic economic moves were masterful. The country, even with the drag of the Russia hoax, was regaining its footing as a democratic republic. And then came the pandemic and the vultures swooped in and took away a slam-dunk reelection. The V-shaped economic dip was such that in November it was not all that surprising that the election day returns before the voting “pauses” were definitely favoring President Trump. And then things went south under what remain murky conditions. GOPe had their revenge and it was time to move on.

Just as the voters who supported President Trump did so for their own reasons distinct from his posturing and personality, so too did they (mostly) wander into the Capitol on January 6, 2021, for their own reasons and not at the command of President Trump. But suppose the Democrats succeed with the courts in their bit of theatre?

The people who voted for Trump will not change their minds or their political inclinations. They have watched as the levers of power have been turned against citizens. They will not come “home”, although it remains to be seen whether they can be tamed. They are ready to rally another politician who will champion their cause.

If he is no longer in the way, the problem doesn’t go away for the Democrats. It only becomes more obvious that it was never about Trump.

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  1. Stad Coolidge
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    Rodin: What if the Dems Succeed in Keeping Trump Off the 2024 Ballot?

    They get DeSantis . . .

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  2. BDB Coolidge
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    Trump is the last gasp of the Tea Party types trying to work within the party.  Democrats outlawing a faction of the GOP will be abetted by the GOP establishment types.  They’ve outsourced their internal control preferences to the enemy.  This is a fragging, and it will not go well.  Never does.

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  3. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Rodin: What if the Dems Succeed in Keeping Trump Off the 2024 Ballot?

    They get DeSantis . . .

    People will stay home.  It is offensive to participate in a corrupt system.

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  4. BDB Coolidge
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    Issue for us:  If Trump is attainted this way, it might freeze him in a self-centered defense mode.  Not that he’s far from it now, but imagine trying to mobilize him for DeSantis support if the government succeeds adjudicating this all as “insurrection”.

    He would have no choice but to fight against that, and his help would be problematic, perhaps even unwelcome.

    This is designed to cripple the GOP, and the GOP will roll the dice that they can recover without the base.  If Trump goes down, DeSantis is toast — this bothers the GOP not at all.  If Jan 6 is officially seen as an insurrection, then there will be no restraints on the government/media/tech state’s ability to punish/silence/isolate anybody who ever had anything to do with Trump, including you and me.

     

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  5. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Trump is not going to win.  No GOP is.  We saw 3 national elections stolen and still we will not believe.  The Dems are so entrenched that they can elect a senile idiot and still we will not believe.  I need to find a better country.  This one has decided to go nuts.

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  6. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    No one on the crazy Left care about anything but stopping Trump. That’s always been their focus and will continue to be. We can’t expect it to make sense; nothing that they do does make sense. They are too blinded by their anger.

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  7. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Trump is not going to win. No GOP is. We saw 3 national elections stolen and still we will not believe. The Dems are so entrenched that they can elect a senile idiot and still we will not believe. I need to find a better country. This one has decided to go nuts.

    Dems don’t realize that secession movements would trump their trump card.

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  8. Django Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    No one on the crazy Left care about anything but stopping Trump. That’s always been their focus and will continue to be. We can’t expect it to make sense; nothing that they do does make sense. They are too blinded by their anger.

    IF the GOPe had a functioning brain coupled with a spine, they’d use Trump as a distraction. “Keep fighting Trump and pay no attention to what is going on behind the curtain.” Well, I can dream can’t I?

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  9. MiMac Thatcher
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    They would be fools to try to keep him off the ballot-he isn’t the strongest GOP candidate. Biden’s only hope is to try a rematch with Trump- he can only win by making the other guy the issue-he has no achievements to run on (even then his odds vs Trump are poor). Biden needs the press to vilify Trump and Trump to win a closely contested primary, otherwise Biden is toast. Biden also needs a 3rd party run by a conservative to split the vote on the right. If Joe faces DeSantis, he will likely would get drilled.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    They would be fools to try to keep him off the ballot-he isn’t the strongest GOP candidate. Biden’s only hope is to try a rematch with Trump- he can only win by making the other guy the issue-he has no achievements to run on (even then his odds vs Trump are poor). Biden needs the press to vilify Trump and Trump to win a closely contested primary, otherwise Biden is toast. Biden also needs a 3rd party run by a conservative to split the vote on the right. If Joe faces DeSantis, he will likely would get drilled.

    That depends a lot on how well they cheat, next time.

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  11. RyanFalcone Member
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    This is a tough question. It is unrealistic on several levels. One such level is that despite much of the days rhetoric, a large majority of Republican politicians are solidly conservative.

    In order for this imaginary scene to take place much of reality must be made to no longer exist. 

    Frankly, if the lunatic left had such power and the right was so grossly incompetent/gutless for this to happen, the fate of Trump would be awaiting millions of us. Politics would be over. It would be time for an armed response.

    We aren’t close to that in my opinion. The vast majority of Americans know this whole thing is idiocy. The response will be in November and it will be peaceful.

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    This is a tough question. It is unrealistic on several levels. One such level is that despite much of the days rhetoric, a large majority of Republican politicians are solidly conservative.

    In order for this imaginary scene to take place much of reality must be made to no longer exist.

    Frankly, if the lunatic left had such power and the right was so grossly incompetent/gutless for this to happen, the fate of Trump would be awaiting millions of us. Politics would be over. It would be time for an armed response.

    We aren’t close to that in my opinion. The vast majority of Americans know this whole thing is idiocy. The response will be in November and it will be peaceful.

    And that also depends on how well they (the Left) cheats, next time.

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  13. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    This is a tough question. It is unrealistic on several levels. One such level is that despite much of the days rhetoric, a large majority of Republican politicians are solidly conservative.

    In order for this imaginary scene to take place much of reality must be made to no longer exist.

    Frankly, if the lunatic left had such power and the right was so grossly incompetent/gutless for this to happen, the fate of Trump would be awaiting millions of us. Politics would be over. It would be time for an armed response.

    We aren’t close to that in my opinion. The vast majority of Americans know this whole thing is idiocy. The response will be in November and it will be peaceful.

    Yes, the Left will win across the board and the Right will peacefully moan as always.  

    you are wrong about most of the Republican Politicians being conservatives.  The are mostly political and can care less about anything conservative other than they winning their election and paying their friends 

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  14. Django Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    This is a tough question. It is unrealistic on several levels. One such level is that despite much of the days rhetoric, a large majority of Republican politicians are solidly conservative.

    In order for this imaginary scene to take place much of reality must be made to no longer exist.

    Frankly, if the lunatic left had such power and the right was so grossly incompetent/gutless for this to happen, the fate of Trump would be awaiting millions of us. Politics would be over. It would be time for an armed response.

    We aren’t close to that in my opinion. The vast majority of Americans know this whole thing is idiocy. The response will be in November and it will be peaceful.

    Yes, the Left will win across the board and the Right will peacefully moan as always.

    you are wrong about most of the Republican Politicians being conservatives. The are mostly political and can care less about anything conservative other than they winning their election and paying their friends

    The ones who grind my gears are those who think we should “move on”, like the GOPer in Wisconsin who said all this talk about election integrity was making people doubt the security of the electoral system. And a few others I read about who have opposed measure put forward in some states. The GOPe is nothing but a bunch of grifters who make money instilling fear in its voters. The fears may be valid, but it is clear that the root causes for those fears will never be addressed by the GOPe until it can no longer fund raise off of them. 

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    This is a tough question. It is unrealistic on several levels. One such level is that despite much of the days rhetoric, a large majority of Republican politicians are solidly conservative.

    In order for this imaginary scene to take place much of reality must be made to no longer exist.

    Frankly, if the lunatic left had such power and the right was so grossly incompetent/gutless for this to happen, the fate of Trump would be awaiting millions of us. Politics would be over. It would be time for an armed response.

    We aren’t close to that in my opinion. The vast majority of Americans know this whole thing is idiocy. The response will be in November and it will be peaceful.

    Yes, the Left will win across the board and the Right will peacefully moan as always.

    you are wrong about most of the Republican Politicians being conservatives. The are mostly political and can care less about anything conservative other than they winning their election and paying their friends

    The ones who grind my gears are those who think we should “move on”, like the GOPer in Wisconsin who said all this talk about election integrity was making people doubt the security of the electoral system. And a few others I read about who have opposed measure put forward in some states. The GOPe is nothing but a bunch of grifters who make money instilling fear in its voters. The fears may be valid, but it is clear that the root causes for those fears will never be addressed by the GOPe until it can no longer fund raise off of them.

    I guess succeeding only gets them votes, but failing gets them MONEY!

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  16. Unsk Member
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    If they block Trump from the Ballot, they will surely get De Santis,  a  much better  candidate          or will more easily unite the Republicans. File  this fraud under be careful what you wish for. 

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    If they block Trump from the Ballot, they will surely get De Santis, a much better candidate or will more easily unite the Republicans. File this fraud under be careful what you wish for.

    Sounds like they’re trying for a replay of 2016, which worked out so well for them.

    But if they still have the cheating of 2020, they might not lose even with the so-called strategy of 2016.

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    Speaking for myself only, it really IS about Trump. 

    I honestly believe that he is an existential danger to the Republic. 

    It is not that I don’t like him; I am literally terrified of him. 

    It appears that Trump literally fomented a riot at the Capitol to force Congress to not ratify Biden’s election.  

    I can live with the Trump policies that I don’t like; I can’t live with Donald John Trump.  

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    It appears that Trump literally fomented a riot at the Capitol to force Congress to not ratify Biden’s election.

     

    It still “appears” that way to you?

    You need better glasses, or something.

     

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  20. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Speaking for myself only, it really IS about Trump.

    I honestly believe that he is an existential danger to the Republic.

    It is not that I don’t like him; I am literally terrified of him.

    It appears that Trump literally fomented a riot at the Capitol to force Congress to not ratify Biden’s election.

    I can live with the Trump policies that I don’t like; I can’t live with Donald John Trump.

    Trump is not a threat to you or the country and there is no reason to be afraid of him. Get over it! If you can’t, consider seeking help. It is as if you and a few other NTs have rolled all the anxieties in your lives and somehow attached them to your image of Trump. Maybe it helps you cope. Whatever it is, it is sad. That said, I promise this is the last time I’ll indulge in dollar-store psychologizing. 

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  21. philo Member
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    “Trump literally fomented a riot at the Capitol”

    Witness someone living comfortably within his lie. The Republic is literally being driven over the cliff intentionally and at full throttle but mean tweets are still an “existential threat.” That is not a healthy mind. It really is getting quite sad. 

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  22. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I honestly believe that he is an existential danger to the Republic. 

    This is the kind of Leftist thinking that has us all paying $5.00+ for gasoline. 

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I honestly believe that he is an existential danger to the Republic.

    This is the kind of Leftist thinking that has us all paying $5.00+ for gasoline.

    Because $5, or $7, or $10 gasoline isn’t a big deal to lawyers.  But mean tweets, well, that’s just going too far!

    But nothing is too ridiculous for the Left.  They have people in Congress claiming, apparently with all seriousness, that they don’t worry about energy costs because they have an electric car.  (Stabenow.)  Or because they can bicycle to the grocery store.  (AOC, I think.  Maybe that was before she also got an electric car.)

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  24. EB Thatcher
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    The Dems won’t try to keep him off the ballot. If he gets on they are guaranteed to keep the White House.  The smart Dems are praying that Trump gets the nomination.  Only the crazed Dems are still after his blood.

    I only wish they could keep him off.  He’s just going to be a spoiler.  DeSantis would be a great candidate and president.  But if Trump jumps in as he almost surely will, the Dems will hold the White House for another 4 years.

    And yes, I voted for DJT in 2020.  But it’s time for him to fold his tent and go away.  Riiiiight, like that’s going to happen.

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  25. I Walton Member
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     Frankly I think Trump will draw fire and let the Democrats and silly Republicans like Robbins, show how disconnected they are,  will win any attacks on him, but will not run for President.  He’s young for his years but too old and  unlike the Democrats who have nobody and won’t be able to find a strong candidate  who can please the cliques that run the party,  ( whoever they are), Republicans have lots of strong attractive candidates.  The only question we all face is the extent of the fraud which will be dangerously massive.

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  26. Rodin Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    It is not that I don’t like him; I am literally terrified of him.

    And Biden not so much?! It is attitudes like this that nearly got Justice Kavanaugh killed this week. If Trump is “literally Hitler” and all of his supporters “nazis” and all of his major appointment “gruppenfuhrers” then it is license to hunt them, deny them their rights. This is the country you support?!

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  27. MarciN Member
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    Foreign policy should be the focus in the next election. Our immigration problems can be pinned on one source: the failure of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to establish viable priorities and working systems and to seek congressional guidance in creating systems in line with the wishes of the American people. When we look at this type of spectacular failure, it’s always a systems problem at the heart of it.

    As is true of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. It is the result of the failure of our executive branch to establish viable priorities and working systems and to seek congressional guidance in creating systems in line with the wishes of the American people. The suffering of the Ukrainian people is the fault of Bill Clinton who failed to respect the organizational structure of our government, which meant that he needed to get his agreement with Russia and Ukraine ratified by the Senate to make it a real treaty. If Clinton had had one shred of decency, he would have followed through to make sure that he could keep the promises he made to Ukraine. And our Congress was at fault too because they should have insisted that he seek their approval.

    I see this same lack of organization in the Paris Accords. How bizarre that Obama agreed to these ridiculous regulations, Trump wisely got us out, and now Biden has put us back into them. Same sequence of events with the Iran Deal. Same with NAFTA. Same with our trade “agreements” with China that Trump wisely got us out of and that incensed Xi to the extent that the Chinese thought Trump was conducting a one-man (one-president) trade war against China.

    This systemic and organizational failure has to be addressed formally. How can the United States conduct foreign affairs in this ambiguous environment?

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  28. Rodin Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    How can the United States conduct foreign affairs in this ambiguous environment?

    It’s as if the powers that be want everything to be screwed up perpetually. I wish there was something like a “negative” treaty — the President would propose a fence against a certain type of arrangement and the Senate ratified the fence, requiring a subsequent President to get Senate ratification in order to take down the fence. 

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  29. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Speaking for myself only, it really IS about Trump.

    I honestly believe that he is an existential danger to the Republic.

    It is not that I don’t like him; I am literally terrified of him.

    It appears that Trump literally fomented a riot at the Capitol to force Congress to not ratify Biden’s election.

    I can live with the Trump policies that I don’t like; I can’t live with Donald John Trump.

    We get it.  You hate Trump more than you love the country or respect your fellow conservatives so you make common cause with the other side.  

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary, there is no way in hell voting for Biden is going to net out. 

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