Yeah, We’re the Radicals

 

My wife occasionally laments the constant state of conflict between Republicans and Democrats. The “used to be” comes up. Pretty sure there was some pretty spirited opposition on tax matters, the spread of communism and America’s role in preventing it, and the like during my lifetime.

But it seemed like until around 20 years ago, both parties agreed on The Big Things:

Second Amendment rights,

Communism (and its less threatening sounding sibling, socialism) was anathema to the American way of life,

Marriage was between a man and a woman (like Obama in 2012),

Borders were something to protect,

Abortion was illegal in all 50 states (I’m pretty sure there were some who wanted it legalized, but not one state allowed it),

Violent criminals should be incarcerated,

Men couldn’t get pregnant,

Public religious displays were not illegal somehow,

Judges were supposed to interpret and protect the Constitution,

Everybody here speaks English,

Parents are almost completely responsible for raising their children,

Illegal aliens weren’t eligible for practically all social programs (if you couldn’t support yourself or broke our laws, you’d be deported),

Cops were a good thing.

Which party changed? Which party did a 180 on custom and culture going back sometimes thousands of years? But Joe Biden is calling us the most extreme group in American history. He’d be calling 1975 Joe Biden a radical bigot. This must be some focus group tested approach. He has to know it’s lying slander.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    20 years ago?  Hardly.

    Roe was almost 50 years ago.

    Many on the left were, if not communist or pro-communist, at least “anti-anti-communist.”  As much as 60 or 70 years ago.

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  2. The Reticulator Member
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    @TheReticulator

    kedavis (View Comment):

    20 years ago? Hardly.

    Roe was almost 50 years ago.

    Many on the left were, if not communist or pro-communist, at least “anti-anti-communist.” As much as 60 or 70 years ago.

    I was going to say.  The list might seem accurate for someone who was born 20 years ago, but the rest of us remember. 

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    20 years ago? Hardly.

    Roe was almost 50 years ago.

    Many on the left were, if not communist or pro-communist, at least “anti-anti-communist.” As much as 60 or 70 years ago.

    I was going to say. The list might seem accurate for someone who was born 20 years ago, but the rest of us remember.

    I’m glad that I beat someone to making a point, for once.  :-)

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  4. The Great Adventure Coolidge
    The Great Adventure
    @TGA

    Joker:

    Everybody here speaks English,

     

    Except for those dang Italians!  And Germans!  And Poles! And Chinese!  And…!

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  5. Joker Member
    Joker
    @Joker

    Actually, I don’t think anything much happened between Roe and the first gay marriage law (Massachusetts 2004.) Maybe socialism gained wider acceptance. Most of the rest of the list are really becoming prominent since the lightworker was inaugurated. Makes Joe’s claim even more contemptable.

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  6. hoowitts Coolidge
    hoowitts
    @hoowitts

    Joker:

    My wife occasionally laments the constant state of conflict between Republicans and Democrats. The “used to be” comes up. Pretty sure there were some pretty spirited opposition on tax matters, spread of communism and America’s role in preventing it, and the like during my lifetime.

    But it seemed like until around 20 years ago, both parties agreed on The Big Things:

    Second Amendment rights, you sanction mass murder

    Communism (and its less threatening sounding sibling socialism) was anathema to the American way of life,  you capitalist pig

    Marriage was between a man and a woman (like Obama in 2012), you homophobe

    Borders were something to protect, you racist

    Abortion was illegal in all 50 states (I’m pretty sure there were some who wanted it legalized, but not one state allowed it),  you misogynist

    Violent criminals should be incarcerated, you oppressive fascist

    Men couldn’t get pregnant, you transphobe

    Public religious displays were not illegal somehow, you theocrat

    Judges were supposed to interpret and protect the Constitution, you rightwing nutjob

    Everybody here speaks English, you white supremacist 

    Parents are almost completely responsible for raising their children, you domestic terrorist

    Illegal aliens weren’t eligible for practically all social programs (if you couldn’t support yourself or broke our laws, you’d be deported), you BIPOC bigot

    Cops were a a good thing. you oppressive fascist

    Which party changed? Which party did a 180 on custom and culture going back sometimes thousands of years? But Joe Biden is calling us the most extreme group in American history. He’d be calling 1975 Joe Biden a radical bigot. This must be some focus group tested approach. He has to know it’s lying slander.

    FIFY

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    hoowitts (View Comment):

    Joker:

    My wife occasionally laments the constant state of conflict between Republicans and Democrats. The “used to be” comes up. Pretty sure there were some pretty spirited opposition on tax matters, spread of communism and America’s role in preventing it, and the like during my lifetime.

    But it seemed like until around 20 years ago, both parties agreed on The Big Things:

    Second Amendment rights, you sanction mass murder

    Communism (and its less threatening sounding sibling socialism) was anathema to the American way of life, you capitalist pig

    Marriage was between a man and a woman (like Obama in 2012), you homophobe

    Borders were something to protect, you racist

    Abortion was illegal in all 50 states (I’m pretty sure there were some who wanted it legalized, but not one state allowed it), you misogynist

    Violent criminals should be incarcerated, you oppressive fascist

    Men couldn’t get pregnant, you transphobe

    Public religious displays were not illegal somehow, you theocrat

    Judges were supposed to interpret and protect the Constitution, you rightwing nutjob

    Everybody here speaks English, you white supremacist

    Parents are almost completely responsible for raising their children, you domestic terrorist

    Illegal aliens weren’t eligible for practically all social programs (if you couldn’t support yourself or broke our laws, you’d be deported), you BIPOC bigot

    Cops were a a good thing. you oppressive fascist

    Which party changed? Which party did a 180 on custom and culture going back sometimes thousands of years? But Joe Biden is calling us the most extreme group in American history. He’d be calling 1975 Joe Biden a radical bigot. This must be some focus group tested approach. He has to know it’s lying slander.

    FIFY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37RQ5avziZE

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  8. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    20 years ago? Hardly.

    Roe was almost 50 years ago.

    Many on the left were, if not communist or pro-communist, at least “anti-anti-communist.” As much as 60 or 70 years ago.

    This was my response on first read as well. 

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  9. Steve C. Member
    Steve C.
    @user_531302

    Illegal immigration was an increasingly contentious issue starting in the mid 70s. So much so President Reagan and the Democrats cooperated in writing and passing the Simpson-Mazzoli bill.

    Reagan agreed to an amnesty for 5 million illegal immigrants, while the Democrats (and their Republican allies) agreed to pretend to enforce immigration law.

     

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  10. Henry Castaigne Member
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    @HenryCastaigne

    The Great Adventure (View Comment):

    Joker:

    Everybody here speaks English,

     

    Except for those dang Italians! And Germans! And Poles! And Chinese! And…!

    I feel that you miss Joker’s point. All those groups should debate and joke with each other in English. The left often feels it inappropriate to force English on immigrants. The sensible wants immigrants to learn English and tell the college graduates how much Communism stinks. (I am a fan of Venezuelan and Vietnamese immigrants.)

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  11. Henry Castaigne Member
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    @HenryCastaigne

    Steve C. (View Comment):

    Illegal immigration was an increasingly contentious issue starting in the mid 70s. So much so President Reagan and the Democrats cooperated in writing and passing the Simpson-Mazzoli bill.

    Reagan agreed to an amnesty for 5 million illegal immigrants, while the Democrats (and their Republican allies) agreed to pretend to enforce immigration law.

     

    He trusted without any verification. Never a good idea.

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  12. I Walton Member
    I Walton
    @IWalton

    kedavis (View Comment):

    20 years ago? Hardly.

    Roe was almost 50 years ago.

    Many on the left were, if not communist or pro-communist, at least “anti-anti-communist.” As much as 60 or 70 years ago.

    Yes but most Democrats didn’t buy into the small radical left.  Now they do but even most Democrats don’t know that their information comes from coordinated media run by a very narrow bunch of very rich or powerful folks and the powerful rich folks are so narrow and ignorant they don’t know they’re being influenced by the Chinese. 

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    I Walton (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    20 years ago? Hardly.

    Roe was almost 50 years ago.

    Many on the left were, if not communist or pro-communist, at least “anti-anti-communist.” As much as 60 or 70 years ago.

    Yes but most Democrats didn’t buy into the small radical left. Now they do but even most Democrats don’t know that their information comes from coordinated media run by a very narrow bunch of very rich or powerful folks and the powerful rich folks are so narrow and ignorant they don’t know they’re being influenced by the Chinese.

    Even if they don’t know, they should.  Ignorance is not an excuse.  Right?

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  14. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I Walton (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    20 years ago? Hardly.

    Roe was almost 50 years ago.

    Many on the left were, if not communist or pro-communist, at least “anti-anti-communist.” As much as 60 or 70 years ago.

    Yes but most Democrats didn’t buy into the small radical left. Now they do but even most Democrats don’t know that their information comes from coordinated media run by a very narrow bunch of very rich or powerful folks and the powerful rich folks are so narrow and ignorant they don’t know they’re being influenced by the Chinese.

    Even if they don’t know, they should. Ignorance is not an excuse. Right?

    Ignorance is an excuse if you are a good enough person to realize you are ignorant. of stuff. 

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  15. John Hanson Thatcher
    John Hanson
    @JohnHanson

    It started with the free speech movement in Berkely in 1965, and really got going after the Democrat convention in 1968 and ever since every year the Dems move farther and farther away from the traditional American Dream, and social expectations.  Viet Nam war contributed to it, but was not sole cause.  It was a Dem war (LBJ mostly) but as usual they blamed the Rs for it, and over time many accepted that.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    John Hanson (View Comment):

    It started with the free speech movement in Berkely in 1965, and really got going after the Democrat convention in 1968 and ever since every year the Dems move farther and farther away from the traditional American Dream, and social expectations. Viet Nam war contributed to it, but was not sole cause. It was a Dem war (LBJ mostly) but as usual they blamed the Rs for it, and over time many accepted that.

    This was in a recent memes post:

     

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Also, I’ll point out that Biden likes to yell about George Wallace and Jefferson Davis and Bull Connor…

    who were all DEMOCRATS.

    Someone needs to call him a lying dog-faced pony-soldier for that.

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  18. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    @HartmannvonAue

    I Walton (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    20 years ago? Hardly.

    Roe was almost 50 years ago.

    Many on the left were, if not communist or pro-communist, at least “anti-anti-communist.” As much as 60 or 70 years ago.

    Yes but most Democrats didn’t buy into the small radical left. Now they do but even most Democrats don’t know that their information comes from coordinated media run by a very narrow bunch of very rich or powerful folks and the powerful rich folks are so narrow and ignorant they don’t know they’re being influenced by the Chinese.

    What were once the anti-American slanders of the university faculty lounge have become commonplaces on Twitter and TikTok. The brainwashed acolytes of the tenured radicals have been dominating public discourse, by an large, for 30 years. But…we have fought back mor effectively of late. 

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  19. I Walton Member
    I Walton
    @IWalton

    So why are almost all Democrats so profoundly ignorant of what’s going on?  They get all their information from the main stream media and their friends.  Why are more Republicans informed and not so off the ranch crazy?  They read, somehow got interested in the world and life and discuss it, read  and watch programs about it.  Why are so many leaders in both parties acting as if the crazy Democrats were right?   It makes them rich.   Is there a fix?  Not unless we win the next two elections and dismember Washington, our school system and return to some sane border management.  We all know this and even many democrats could learn it, but those with power don’t want to change the thing that is making them powerful and  rich.  If we can’t win the next two elections it’s over and we have only one choice which we must prepare for,  leave Washington and states who like the way things are arranged and form a new nation.    Were it not for China whose goal is to destroy us, we might sort it out as the economy centralizes and rots but there are no historical examples so that is a higher risk strategy than trying to form a new nation based on what we proved actually works.  We better win but the fraud will be massive so we must have strategies to defeat it before during and after the election.  

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  20. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    I Walton (View Comment):

    So why are almost all Democrats so profoundly ignorant of what’s going on? They get all their information from the main stream media and their friends. Why are more Republicans informed and not so off the ranch crazy? They read, somehow got interested in the world and life and discuss it, read and watch programs about it. Why are so many leaders in both parties acting as if the crazy Democrats were right? It makes them rich. Is there a fix? Not unless we win the next two elections and dismember Washington, our school system and return to some sane border management. We all know this and even many democrats could learn it, but those with power don’t want to change the thing that is making them powerful and rich. If we can’t win the next two elections it’s over and we have only one choice which we must prepare for, leave Washington and states who like the way things are arranged and form a new nation. Were it not for China whose goal is to destroy us, we might sort it out as the economy centralizes and rots but there are no historical examples so that is a higher risk strategy than trying to form a new nation based on what we proved actually works. We better win but the fraud will be massive so we must have strategies to defeat it before during and after the election.

    And your comment #12.

    Anti-Communism has been on my agenda for my entire life. The fight has been ongoing and Americans have always stood up to the challenge.

    What we now face is something different.  The elitist globalist oligarchs and all those helping them through the WEF meeting in Davos yearly are no longer pretending that socialism is something that works in a positive way for all those members of a society. This really is the essence of what Trump’s Presidency revealed. Governments around the world today are criminal enterprises being directed step by step in The Great Reset. Any response to overcome this will need to be different from anything employed previously to combat mere Communism.

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  21. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    The Great Adventure (View Comment):

    Joker:

    Everybody here speaks English,

    Except for those dang Italians! And Germans! And Poles! And Chinese! And…!

    It was understood that the newly arrived immigrants would possibly not be learning English, especially if their jobs involved  janitorial or domestic work. Professionals did for the most part learn English.

    It was also understood that their children would be in public schools and would be learning English.

    Even in liberal-bellied Marin County, during the early 1980’s, I noticed how proud parents from south of the border were when their children fluently answered questions for street directions or other daily life items in English. The parents would beam with pride and joy, as they believed this ability would be opening doors for their offspring and paving their path to a prosperous future.

    Overnight the liberals shook the thinking of anyone who refused to accept  how it was oppressive and extremely difficult to force anyone of any age to learn English. Something children of immigrants had been doing since the 1600’s!

    So by the late 1980’s, it all had changed. It became yet another way to determine how a born-in-America American was a racist if they suggested that the society should not devolve into a dual language society, and especially not devolve into  a multi-language society.

    By 1992-1993, in Oakland Calif the Chinese in one school district had such sway that the schools in that district had teachers who only spoke Chinese. One low income African American father who was living on disability and could not afford to leave the apartment he had rented, had to find attorneys of the Republican persuasion to fight back the school system. The attorneys agree with the man that his son had the right to attend a local public school and hear the classes being taught in English – which after all is the language of our land. They proceeded to win in court.

    I wonder if such  a case  was heard today if the father, his son and their attorneys would see such  victory?

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Joker: Which party changed? Which party did a 180 on custom and culture going back sometimes thousands of years?

    Both of them.

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