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‘Embrace the Suck’: It’s Time to Bridge What Divides the GOP
There’s nothing more zealous than a convert, goes the old saying. Conversions are deeply transformative. Converts more deeply embrace and evangelize their new faith, whether in religion or politics.
It doesn’t just happen with party switchers. Sometimes, someone wakes up and is politically charged when teacher unions keep schools shut down, or they read the homework assignments their kids bring home in utter horror. Or being unable to find infant formula at the grocery store for a newborn. Paying $5 per gallon of gas might do it, too.
I’ve had conversions. I was raised a southern populist Democrat from rural Oklahoma who once volunteered for former US Senator Fred Harris’ (D-OK) presidential campaign in 1976 while attending college. I voted for Jimmy Carter that fall. My first conversion happened in early 1977 when I raced upstairs to my apartment’s mailbox to open my first paycheck stub for my first job out of college and was shocked to find out what was being withheld in payroll taxes. I began to ask where my money was being spent. I didn’t like the answers. I voted for Ronald Reagan and Republicans for House, Senate, and everything else beginning in 1980. I’ve never looked back.
I later worked full-time to help elect dozens of GOP House members and Senators. I would later be nominated in 1995 as Secretary of the US Senate by Majority Leader Robert Dole, who I voted against for Vice President in 1976. Some journey.
I left the GOP for a year, registering as an Independent in Pennsylvania when Donald Trump became the presumptive nominee in 2016. His emergence offended my sensibilities. I held my nose and voted for him in 2016 anyway because I knew Hillary Clinton was worse and didn’t want to throw away my vote. I had my personal experiences with the Clinton machine some 10 years earlier as the nominee to a GOP seat on the Federal Election Commission. I’ve seen government power abused firsthand. I feared that the abuse would return in spades.
I enthusiastically embraced Trump in 2020 after three historic Supreme Court nominations and other successful policies. I didn’t have to agree with everything he said or did. I still don’t.
This poster speaks with a forked tongue, eh?
The Ukrainian one was a complete sham. The J6 one is a closer issue. I think it was overblown, the right decision was reached, and J6 is an insane overreaction. That having been said I can appreciate the other point of view at the time. It hasn’t worn well 16 months in.
I actually addressed this last year on August 30, 2021. https://ricochet.com/1038929/apologies-owed-by-a-biden-and-b-trump-voters/
Biden was far worse than I had expected due to Afghanistan at the time of the writing of that post, but Trump had topped himself after the November 2020 election with his refusal to acknowledge his loss and his insistence that Republicans adore the emperor’s new clothes, leading to the January 6th riot.
Since then Biden got worse in the area of inflation, but partially redeemed himself in Ukraine. Trump has stayed just as horrible as before. So I did not realize the degree to policy rot that Biden would show, or the degree of integrity rot that Trump would show.
Knowing what I know now, I really don’t know how I would have voted in November 2020, as both Biden and Trump have turned out to be far, far worse than I thought at the time.
My solution now is to foster sane Republicans. My giving this cycle is 10:1 for Non-Trumpy Republicans as opposed to Democrats. (I am sure that an expose will be done by Kozak about my donations this current cycle.)
I gave to both Brad Raffensperger and Brian Kemp and am ecstatic about their victories. I gave to the Republicans who voted for Trump’s second impeachment and conviction. I gave to the sole sane Ohio Republican for Senate who came in third out of five.
I am in State Senator Wendy Rogers Legislative District #7, and defeating her is a high priority. I have given to her primary opponent, State Senator Kelly Townsend who is far more conservative than me, and have offered to walk a precinct for her. Rogers was censured by a majority of Republican State Senators. If Rogers wins her primary, my only ethical choice will be to vote for the Democrat if he or she has a pulse.
I have given to House Speaker Rusty Bowers who is very conservative, but never bought into the State Senate Maricopa County Ninja Recount B.S. Bowers was a profile in courage. Bowers is running for the State Senate in District 10.
For Governor, I can’t stand Kari Lake and would vote for the Democrat if she is nominated. The same is true as to Mark Finchem who is running for Secretary of State.
Why are you donating to state elections you don’t live in?
I can understand senate and house races, sorta, but this feels like it’s just as unethical as foreign governments donating. It’s not your state. It’s not your community. It’s not what you need to live with.
It matters who is in Congress, and who controls each body.
As for Georgia, Brad Raffensperger and Brian Kemp are the bravest Republicans running for Governor or Secretary of State in the United States, so I gave to them. I literally have a First Amendment Right to contribute to other Americans.
This has never come up before, but I don’t give to candidates in foreign countries.
People won’t even embrace the suck for bad service at a restaurant. And why should they? But we are told we have to put up with the sucking and failure of a party that is letting this country get destroyed because they suck and fail. No thanks. The party should die instead of the country.
That’s fine but let’s stop pretending you’re about localism or small government or whatverr other bromide the worthless right has pushed for 45 years. If all elections are national and the nation gets a say then let’s stop with the fiction that states or districts matter and that you want more control in their hands.
Yes and no. When it comes to walking in my precinct, I will be walking against State Senator Wendy Rogers who is my State Senator.
Wendy Rogers was censured by a majority of Republican State Senators. She suggested that the Buffalo killer was a federal agent. She consorts with White Supremacists. She has said that we need gallows to punish traitors.
Right. But you don’t think other states have a right to an interference-free election for their own state officials. Stop talking about senators and reps. I said I get that a bit more. I still think it’s wrong, but it’s more understanding as their reps and senators affect national laws. But the state Governor and AG? No. Those have no effect on you. That’s you influencing a process that someone else must live with.
And given the wide wide wide definition of white supremacist, I don’t believe you on that and that’s the only thing on that list that says anything out of line. The FBI is a mess and I think the legal consequence of treason is death, isn’t it?
I very much agree with you on this, Stina. I also think it is nonsensical that Donald Trump is endorsing candidates for state legislatures and state executive offices in states where he does not live. If Donald Trump makes endorsements in Florida, good for him. But Michigan, Texas, Arizona? I would prefer that everyone mind their own business and tend to matters in their own state. I don’t want Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump, Gary Robbins, or even Ted Cruz telling Republicans whom to back in state primaries where said endorser does not live.
How about this. As with other situations, including here on Ricochet where we’re told that we don’t need an “ignore” feature, just scroll past people you don’t want to read… people are free to ignore any or all endorsements they think don’t matter. But there are bound to be people in pretty much every state who would like to know who people like Ted Cruz or even Donald Trump support as being similar-minded, etc.
So for you and the others, I’ll repeat what we often hear from TPTB at Ricochet: if you don’t care, just scroll past. They’re not talking to you anyway.
I’ll close with a happy “neener!”
@soupguy, thanks for this post. It shows a very nuanced understanding of campaigns, candidates, and party-building.
In the 1990s, I was a member of the Orange County (CA) GOP central committee. During most of that time, Orange County was heavily dominated by the GOP. (Sadly, it’s less true today.). We had a gentleman, a retired Marine LTC and business executive, who was elected to the State Assembly. He was pretty reliably conservative in the State Assembly and was not known as a troublemaker.
When the State Senate seat for that district was going to be open in the next cycle, he wanted to run for that seat. So did several others. There was a hotly contested primary, and he lost. He spent his remaining time in the legislature, and later as a retired politician, complaining bitterly about the county party, our county chairman, the state party, and his fellow local electeds. He seemed to think the seat should have been his, the party should have cleared the field for him (something neither we nor our chairman could or would do) and the local donor base should have fallen in line behind him. He hinted darkly at conspiracies to marginalize him. He was the epitome of sour grapes.
As a former Assemblyman, he spent more time complaining and hurling invective at the GOP than the Democrats. Keep in mind that Willie Brown was the Speaker of the California Assembly at the time, and he and his majority were running roughshod over the state, and doing damage that persists to this day.
What I took from this episode is that there are some people who, when elections don’t go their way, lose their perspective and become sunk in bitterness and recriminations. I’ve seen it since then in other contexts. Sometimes it’s the candidate’s inner circle or strong supporters who buy into that view. They want to tear down, not build up. They’re not worth listening to, in my view.
Politics is a long game, and it’s one of addition, not subtraction. If you don’t like the GOP, keep working to improve it, and don’t be easily deterred. It took a long time to get to this place, and it won’t be undone quickly.
ETA: Endorsements don’t carry as much weight with voters as politicians think they do.
The GOP state assemblyman you referred to, but did not name, is/was Gil Ferguson.
I deliberately didn’t name him, but yes, I knew his name. Did you live in OC back in those days?
Yes. I grew up in San Bernardino county and started working in Orange county a year after I graduated from college. I moved to Orange county in 1993 and left in 1996.
I was a volunteer for the recall campaign against Doris Allen, the Republican who allied with Willie Brown in 1994-1995 to prevent GOP control over the State Assembly.
You’ve got a good memory for someone who only lived in OC relatively briefly. I lived there from 1980-2005. Still have good friends there. (Not all the Republicans have moved out of state!)
Doris Allen…..what a traitor. She richly deserved her eventual recall and ignominious end of her political career. There’s another good lesson in her story.
I was a political junkie back in the early 1990s and remain a political junkie to this day.
I remember sitting in a restaurant at a large family event sometime after the 1994 elections, when the Republicans gained about 8 state assembly seats, bringing their total number to 41 out of 80.
I was talking to some guy who was a businessman and I mentioned Jim Brulte, the leader of the Republicans in the Assembly at the time (I think) and how he would be the next Speaker of the Assembly.
The person I was talking to asked, “Is that really a done deal?”
A month or so later, Paul Horcher, a Republican representing Diamond Bar, voted for Willie Brown, causing a tie vote. So, the recall of Paul Horcher began.
It was a crazy few years.
I wonder what Brown offered him, maybe access to Kamala Harris?
In other words, many Never Trumpers made it personal and continue to do so. So yes, it’s personal
It could be a “David Duke” type situation. Some politician does something or says something that causes you to say, “I can’t vote for that person.”
I think everyone has their “line in the sand.” For some, it’s the 2nd Amendment. For some it’s abortion. For some it’s racism (the David Duke example).
Put it this way. If Lisa Murkowski won the Republican presidential nomination in 2024, my guess is that many life long Republican voters would not vote for Murkowksi.
I didn’t vote for George W. Bush and would never vote for another Bush.
I spent the evening of the 1994 elections in a hotel suite at the hotel where the county GOP had its election night party, with a bunch of political junkies, obsessively watching both state and national returns. This was pre-smart phones, and the candidates were periodically calling the Secretary of State’s office directly to get updates. I’ll never forget that night . Not only did we take the state Assembly majority (until the treachery of Doris Allen and others) but the historic takeover of the Congressional majority, after so many years in the minority, made it a fantastic, jubilant night. One of my best political memories.
I have great memories of election night 1994 also. In 1995, after the successful recall of Paul Horcher (Diamond Bar) and Doris Allen (Seal Beach) and Willie Brown vacating his state assembly seat to become mayor of San Fransisco, Curt Pringle became the first Republican speaker of the California Assembly actually supported by all Republicans in decades.
But then in 1996, after I had already moved to Colorado, the GOP lost several state assembly seats, lost more in 1998 when Gray Davis won in a landslide against Republican Dan Lundgren.
These days the Democrats outnumber Republicans in the state assembly about about a 3 to 1 ratio. So, I look back at that 1994 election as really the GOP’s last stand against Democrat hegemony in California.
Curt Pringle was a friend of mine. I walked precincts for him in the 1994 cycle. When I was in Sacramento on business during his time as Speaker, he gave me and my then-boss a personal tour of the state Capitol, including going up on the dais in the Assembly chamber. It was a blast!