Labor Wins Australia

 

The lesson here is that a fake right that doesn’t stand up for its constituents and allows leftist policies during its reign is a right that ultimately demoralizes its base and sews its own defeat. The right in Australia stood by as the harshest Covid policies were implemented. Right-wing politicians who could have done something sat on their hands for fear of being called a “grandma killer” or some such slur.

Australia had the harshest lockdowns and punishments we have seen during Covid barring China. The right allowed the country to drift leftward and stood for nothing there. This seems to be a particular feature of Western right-wing parties, including in this country. The right talks about lower taxes, markets, and more personal liberty, but ultimately delivers left-wing initiatives and then left-wing victories due to their base being demoralized. The left in Australia will eventually sicken the country and the right will be pushed back in to fail again as the leftward drift continues.

We need real opposition here in the west or this upcoming election you are getting ready to celebrate will be what just happened in Australia in just a few congressional cycles. Demand more than the right gave in Australia when the country was under medical/government tyranny. Demand more from our leaders too rather than just sitting back on a win for Congress. If we don’t then the abyss approaches.

I can’t imagine what’s coming for Australia after the last two years of covid insanity from the left. But be assured whatever comes, it’s coming here too, the next time the left is in power. The democrats will look at Australia killing their oil and energy sectors and pushing economic woe on their citizens with the same kind of vigor they had under covid as the model. And they will get their model if our right doesn’t become a model that’s worth something.

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  1. MarciN Member
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    There may have been a lot of shenanigans in the election itself. And there was definitely massive censorship. When Democrats win anywhere, I suspect foul play. That makes it really hard to gauge public opinion.

    At this moment, I wish there were the strong Republican Party that so many people believe exists. We’re a very loosely organized group, not a match for the Democratic Party machines at all. The control freak side of the Democratic Party that we are seeing today with the big tech and media censorship that went on during our own last election was a dramatic evolution of the Democratic Party. We could always see the seeds of this, but the party hit some new notes in 2016, and they continue to work this way. It’s repression.

    This is not going to end well, and it’s global. I feel sorry for Australians. I was hoping for different result.

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  2. kedavis Member
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    @kedavis

    Don’t they spell it Labour over there?

    Also, it’s sows, not sews.

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  3. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Don’t they spell it Labour over there?

    Also, it’s sows, not sews.

    I am not over there. I am over here. And i am also fine with typos since i pound out everything on my phone quickly.  

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  4. kedavis Member
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    @kedavis

    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Don’t they spell it Labour over there?

    Also, it’s sows, not sews.

    I am not over there. I am over here. And i am also fine with typos since i pound out everything on my phone quickly.

    I get that, but if they call it the Labour Party, including capitalization, seems like the correct form would be to spell it how they spell it.  Basically for a title.  Same as if it was a book by some Aussie titled “My Life In The Labour Party” for example, should it be changed to “Labor” when reported here?  But that’s not the title of the book!

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  5. Unsk Member
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    Glen: The lesson here is that a fake right that doesn’t stand up for its constituents and allows leftist policies during its reign is a right that ultimately demoralizes its base and sews its own defeat.

    Damn Straight. That is why so many here  who are always rushing  to make excuses for abominable Leftist behavior  are essentially the Left’s Fifth Column amongst,  who are essentially sowing the defeat of all our freedoms and our Constitutional Republic.  These people are an existential threat to our very existence. 

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  6. Western Chauvinist Member
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    @WesternChauvinist

    I wonder what you might think of Glenn Ellmers’s piece over at American Greatness: ‘Remain Calm, All is Well’ — How Not to Save the Republic. 

    It helped me get some clarity on the division within the Republican Party, which he describes as the difference (within the Claremont Institute) between the Eastern Straussians and those on the West Coast (students of Jaffa). Apparently there’s been a bit of a blowup between Voegeli and Ellmers — between what I’ve been calling the status quoists and what Ellmers describes as the counter-revolutionaries that the disciples of Jaffa believe is necessary.

    I agree with Ellmers, but I think leftists are actually the counter-(American)-revolutionaries — what in colonial America would have been known as the Loyalists who ended up in Canada (see Trudeau dynasty leftism) or back in Britain. Except the Left’s loyalty is to the pro-regressive, globalist agenda instead of a king. That would make my position a counter-counter-revolutionary one.

    Bottom line: we must break the status quo for the American ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to prevail. 

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  7. AMD Texas Member
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    @DarinJohnson

    Unsk (View Comment):

    These people are an existential threat to our very existence.

    Seems a little bit overblown

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  8. Western Chauvinist Member
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    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    These people are an existential threat to our very existence.

    Seems a little bit overblown

    A near-perfect follow-on comment to mine. Thank you.

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  9. AMD Texas Member
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    @DarinJohnson

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    These people are an existential threat to our very existence.

    Seems a little bit overblown

    A near-perfect follow-on comment to mine. Thank you.

    Not really. I certainly think that we need to counter the leftists and think that can be done without continuous hyperbolic rhetoric. I voted for Trump two times and would do so again if he was the nominee. He did a lot of things right but he also overplayed his hand at the end and cost himself re-election. The thing is that you do have to get some of the people in the middle to go with you no matter how much you or I might dislike it.

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  10. Western Chauvinist Member
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    AMD Texas (View Comment):
    He did a lot of things right but he also overplayed his hand at the end and cost himself re-election.

    We’re going to disagree that this was the cause of his “loss.” Also that we must coddle the mushy middle rather than convince them that the greatest threat to their liberty and prosperity is the Left (Democrats). The Right doesn’t like to use fear, but at some point being afraid is warranted. I’d say we’re there (and have been since Obama’s reelection). 

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  11. AMD Texas Member
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    @DarinJohnson

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    AMD Texas (View Comment):
    He did a lot of things right but he also overplayed his hand at the end and cost himself re-election.

    We’re going to disagree that this was the cause of his “loss.” Also that we must coddle the mushy middle rather than convince them that the greatest threat to their liberty and prosperity is the Left (Democrats). The Right doesn’t like to use fear, but at some point being afraid is warranted. I’d say we’re there (and have been since Obama’s reelection).

    I don’t understand where you get the idea of coddling the middle from my statement. I agree that you have to convince them but the idea is to actually convince them that they have been wrong. Not frighten with some overblown hyperbole that they will see is just bs a couple of years down the line. It should be fairly easy to do now with the out of control inflation and border mismanagement. In fact, this is working very well with many former democrats right now especially in South Texas where I currently reside.

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  12. Cassandro Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    These people are an existential threat to our very existence.

    Seems a little bit overblown

    We are in the middle of our leaders warning of pronounced war (WWIII), famine (globally), and pestilence (world-wide pandemics).

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  13. kedavis Member
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    @kedavis

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    These people are an existential threat to our very existence.

    Seems a little bit overblown

    We are in the middle of our leaders warning of pronounced war (WWIII), famine (globally), and pestilence (world-wide pandemics).

    How do you suppose they’ll blame it on Trump?

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  14. Cassandro Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    These people are an existential threat to our very existence.

    Seems a little bit overblown

    We are in the middle of our leaders warning of pronounced war (WWIII), famine (globally), and pestilence (world-wide pandemics).

    How do you suppose they’ll blame it on Trump?

    He once sneezed.

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  15. Zafar Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Don’t they spell it Labour over there?

    Also, it’s sows, not sews.

    We do, but despite that it’s the Australian Labor Party. Go figure. 

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  16. Zafar Member
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    @Zafar

    MarciN (View Comment):
    There may have been a lot of shenanigans in the election itself.

    It seems very unlikely. 

    Here is why:

    In a system where voting is mandatory, everybody has their name struck off the list and then go in and vote.

    If you show up and somebody has voted claiming to be you, your name will already be struck off the list.

    If this happened at all, I think there would be a stink. 

    If this happened in numbers large enough to change the results there would be an uproar.

    Our elections are solid, thank you very much.

     

     

     

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  17. kedavis Member
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    @kedavis

    Zafar (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    There may have been a lot of shenanigans in the election itself.

    It seems very unlikely.

    Here is why:

    In a system where voting is mandatory, everybody has their name struck off the list and then go in and vote.

    If you show up and somebody has voted claiming to be you, your name will already be struck off the list.

    If this happened at all, I think there would be a stink.

    If this happened in numbers large enough to change the results there would be an uproar.

    Our elections are solid, thank you very much.

    Sounds like that system could still have shenanigans such as those often found here, unless the voters list is national.  But even in that case, who makes sure that people who have left or died, are removed?  Who makes sure that people who were never born at all, aren’t on the list?  Who makes sure that only those ballots actually cast by people, are counted?

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  18. Zafar Member
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    @Zafar

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Sounds like that system could still have shenanigans such as those often found here, unless the voters list is national. 

    https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/australian-electoral-rolls

    But even in that case, who makes sure that people who have left or died, are removed?  Who makes sure that people who were never born at all, aren’t on the list?  Who makes sure that only those ballots actually cast by people, are counted?

    https://www.aec.gov.au/

     

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  19. kedavis Member
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    @kedavis

    Zafar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Sounds like that system could still have shenanigans such as those often found here, unless the voters list is national.

    https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/australian-electoral-rolls

    But even in that case, who makes sure that people who have left or died, are removed? Who makes sure that people who were never born at all, aren’t on the list? Who makes sure that only those ballots actually cast by people, are counted?

    https://www.aec.gov.au/

     

    We have similar “Departments” here but that doesn’t make them do their jobs properly.

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  20. Zafar Member
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    @Zafar

    kedavis (View Comment):
    We have similar “Departments” here but that doesn’t make them do their jobs properly.

    What stops them?

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  21. kedavis Member
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    @kedavis

    Zafar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    We have similar “Departments” here but that doesn’t make them do their jobs properly.

    What stops them?

    Nothing has to stop them.  If they just don’t do them, they don’t get done.  Especially if there are no consequences.

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  22. Zafar Member
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    @Zafar

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    We have similar “Departments” here but that doesn’t make them do their jobs properly.

    What stops them?

    Nothing has to stop them. If they just don’t do them, they don’t get done. Especially if there are no consequences.

    Who runs them? Which elected official is responsible?  Why are there no political consequences?

    (And why the scare quotes around Departments?)

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  23. kedavis Member
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    @kedavis

    Zafar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    We have similar “Departments” here but that doesn’t make them do their jobs properly.

    What stops them?

    Nothing has to stop them. If they just don’t do them, they don’t get done. Especially if there are no consequences.

    Who runs them? Which elected official is responsible? Why are there no political consequences?

    (And why the scare quotes around Departments?)

    Often no elected official is directly responsible, which is part of the problem.  But even if they are theoretically responsible, the people involved might be union or civil service or something, which can make it next to impossible to fire them, or anything else.

    I made it “Departments” because that’s the commonly used term in the US, whereas in Australia or the UK etc they might be called “Ministries.”

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  24. James Bennetts Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Don’t they spell it Labour over there?

    Also, it’s sows, not sews.

    We do, but despite that it’s the Australian Labor Party. Go figure.

    Like many of our political institutions the ALP dates from the times of Federation, when Australia was still proudly part of the British Empire.

    For this reason, there were few things more authentically radical and progressive than the use of American spelling.

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  25. kedavis Member
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    @kedavis

    James Bennetts (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Don’t they spell it Labour over there?

    Also, it’s sows, not sews.

    We do, but despite that it’s the Australian Labor Party. Go figure.

    Like many of our political institutions the ALP dates from the times of Federation, when Australia was still proudly part of the British Empire.

    For this reason, there were few things more authentically radical and progressive than the use of American spelling.

    Please don’t call it “progressive.”  More like transgressive.

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  26. James Bennetts Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Bennetts (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Don’t they spell it Labour over there?

    Also, it’s sows, not sews.

    We do, but despite that it’s the Australian Labor Party. Go figure.

    Like many of our political institutions the ALP dates from the times of Federation, when Australia was still proudly part of the British Empire.

    For this reason, there were few things more authentically radical and progressive than the use of American spelling.

    Please don’t call it “progressive.” More like transgressive.

    Quite. Although to be fair, my last sentence was written from the POV of those who no doubt gave lengthy passionate speeches at the founding ALP conference on how striking a single character from their letterhead would strike a blow for the workers against Imperialism.

    Since their spiritual heirs are now running the joint, I mock so as to stay sane.

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  27. Zafar Member
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    @Zafar

    @jamesbennetts – I suspect he lost because he said ‘it’s not my job’ once too often.  Your thoughts?

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  28. James Bennetts Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    @ jamesbennetts – I suspect he lost because he said ‘it’s not my job’ once too often. Your thoughts?

    Quite so. Morrison was made leader of the party because he was perceived as the one who could end the party’s division.

    Unfortunately he did so by having no beliefs and taking no actions. Never was a moniker more appropriate for a PM than “Scotty From Marketing”.

    Just my $0.02 worth as a somewhat disgruntled Liberal member. :-)

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  29. Roderic Reagan
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    @rhfabian

    The people of Australia have spoken, and they deserve to get what they want … good and hard.

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  30. Zafar Member
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    @Zafar

    James Bennetts (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    @ jamesbennetts – I suspect he lost because he said ‘it’s not my job’ once too often. Your thoughts?

    Quite so. Morrison was made leader of the party because he was perceived as the one who could end the party’s division.

    Unfortunately he did so by having no beliefs and taking no actions. Never was a moniker more appropriate for a PM than “Scotty From Marketing”.

    Just my $0.02 worth as a somewhat disgruntled Liberal member. :-)

    Scotty from maaaahketing maaaaaaaaate, but yes. 

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