Liz Cheney: The Leadership of My Party Enables White Supremacy

 

Liz Cheney (R?-WY?) or her junior staffer who runs the Twitter account, had this to say this morning.

The House GOP leadership has enabled white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism. History has taught us that what begins with words ends in far worse. @GOP leaders must renounce and reject these views and those who hold them.

My question to Liz Cheney or her supporters is… what exactly has the GOP leadership done to enable “white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism?”

Or is this just part of her strategy to save her seat by getting Democrats to vote for her?

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  1. Stina Inactive
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    If you like MTG and Gaetz, well good for you.

    I happen to like them, too.

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    I’d rather have Liz Cheney in Congress

    Liz has exposed herself as less committed to conservative principles than Trump. I’ve decided that she is despicable, and I hope the door does hit her in the ass on her way out of Congress.

    I couldn’t disagree with you more, and I don’t think there are many in your camp under the Republican tent.

    Okay then. There probably aren’t many who agree with me anymore, but we’ll see how things go in the primaries and November. I feel increasingly homeless politically. I will not support democrats under any circumstances. But I also don’t want to blindly support the GOP either.

    Can I ask why you like MTG and Gaetz? What is it that you like? Is it their attitude? Policies?

    Now you know how it feels.

    • #31
  2. Stina Inactive
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    @CM

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    A racist nut-job just murdered people in cold blood and her first assumption is, “I bet he’s a Republican”? Really?

    Yes, everyone should condemn a mass murderer, but I am pretty sure the killer wasn’t motivated by Ted Cruz or Donald Trump . . . even though Cheney wants that to be the reason.

    The idea that every incident, however tragic, has to be representative of a larger whole or issue is a favorite of the left. And the quicker one makes the correlation the better. That’s where Cheney is.

    Regrettably, the classification of the event as “right wing violence/terrorism” by the FBI fuels the perception that the right is violent and a problem.

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo: The House GOP leadership has enabled white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism.

    A sweeping statement like that requires extensive evidence to back it up. You can’t just say stuff like that.

    Actually, you can, and nobody’s going to call her on it.

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    MTG and Gosar should be condemned for appearing at a white supremacist conference

    The Huffington Post is apparently the source for this statement. The website for the conference lists a lot of people the left doesn’t like very much. The mission statement of AFPAC follows.

    America First is a populist, nationalist movement, reviving working-class patriotism against the globalist agenda desperately trying to bury it. In the past, the grievances of young conservatives have been ignored outright as illegitimate by the GOP and they deserve answers. As both parties endlessly espouse talking points and empty rhetoric, America First Foundation is restoring faith for future generations by upholding the virtues of Traditionalism, Christianity, and pro-American policies without apology.

    Is this white nationalism?

    Not that I care much for MTG or Gosar, but when you say they “appeared at a White Nationalist” conference, I want to see more proof than “It was a white nationalist conference because the Huffington Post, CNN, and the Washington Post said it was.” I’m open to the possibility that it is, but corporate media is quick to slap the “white nationalist” label on pretty much everything to the right of … well, themselves, obviously.

    Without a doubt, source material is really important here. I don’t know the answer, but it seems to revolve around this Fuentes guy. There are some direct comments out there from him that are bothersome but YMMV. I also seem to recall Michelle Malkin getting grief for appearing with him and she isn’t exactly “white.”

    You don’t have to be white to be a white nationalist. Ask Larry Elder.

    And yes it’s nonsense, but it has an effect. To quote Dingy Harry, “He didn’t get elected, did he?”

    • #34
  5. Joker Member
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    @Joker

    There are only two parties here. We should condemn groups that hate other groups. But enforcing strict ideological conformity is the kind of thing we consider contemptable when Dems do it (really, 49 senators voting in lockstep with their leadership to allow abortion up to delivery? Is that how they all privately think about abortion?)

    Republicans get trapped here because every Republican of standing is asked to condemn any stupid thing that any other Republican has said. Dems don’t get asked to condemn every stupid thing that AOC says or every anti-semitic thing Ilhan Omar says. But, ya know what? They’re out there. Dems don’t care if detestable, awful people hold office in their name or vote for them. They’re totally comfortable with their nuts, thieves, bigots and traitors. 

    Like it or not, Republican platforms will attract their own form of nuts and extremists. And somebody will be the nuttiest and somebody will be the most extreme. We don’t have to like or support everybody in the tent.

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  6. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    If you like MTG and Gaetz, well good for you.

    I happen to like them, too.

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    I’d rather have Liz Cheney in Congress

    Liz has exposed herself as less committed to conservative principles than Trump. I’ve decided that she is despicable, and I hope the door does hit her in the ass on her way out of Congress.

    I couldn’t disagree with you more, and I don’t think there are many in your camp under the Republican tent.

    Okay then. There probably aren’t many who agree with me anymore, but we’ll see how things go in the primaries and November. I feel increasingly homeless politically. I will not support democrats under any circumstances. But I also don’t want to blindly support the GOP either.

    Your political home seems to align with the way Democrats frame issues.

    May I recommend Tim Groseclose’s Left Turn?  Old, but still relevant for any who are overexposed to traditional media.

    Can I ask why you like MTG and Gaetz? What is it that you like? Is it their attitude? Policies?

    Attitudes.  The right attitude leads to right policies and right decisions.

    Attitude is a part of character, and while not perfect, these two strike me as sincerely pursuing conservative goals consistent with our constitution and our sovereignty.  I also appreciate their social conservatism.  The GOPe is dismissive of social concerns when it thinks it can get away with it.  Those are the types I find to be unreliable on all other measures of conservatism, too.

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  7. Stina Inactive
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    @CM

    Like it or not, Republican platforms will attract their own form of nuts and extremists. And somebody will be the nuttiest and somebody will be the most extreme. We don’t have to like or support everybody in the tent.

    As long as the two party system is the only way to get elected in this country, utilizing the primaries to get yourself represented is the only way.

    I went for a decade or more feeling without a party. I still feel that way at the federal level because the old group has a lot of power and influence. But that doesn’t mean I should not have the opportunity to vote for my representatives. For anyone to argue that the GOP should remove them from the party platform, they essentially are arguing against my representation.

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  8. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    @VtheK

    Steve Schmidt has entered the convo:

    TEAM ELISE has advanced REPLACEMENT THEORY. She is absolutely responsible, in part for the blood shed. There will be more and she will share in that also because she helped light the fuse. Her rhetoric is purposeful. It is Hitlerism. What’s she is saying was at the ideological core of National Socialism. The new version is called NATIONAL CONSERVATISM. It’s called the New Right.

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    I wish to endorse Dave Reaboi’s take:

    • #39
  10. Hang On Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Regrettably, the classification of the event as “right wing violence/terrorism” by the FBI fuels the perception that the right is violent and a problem.

    And it is probably the FBI that is organizing it. That is their modus vivendi. 

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  11. Hang On Member
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    @HangOn

    If Gaetz and MTG are such white nationalists, why did they vote against a bill for $40 billion to pay the salaries and give arms to Nazis in Ukraine?

    If all Democrats and most Republicans are against white nationalists, why did they vote for a bill for $40 billion to pay the salaries and give arms to Nazis in Ukraine?

    • #41
  12. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Poor stupid Liz. 

    • #42
  13. cdor Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    And who would those be? I’m not out here donating to candidates or endorsing anybody. Who exactly are “my” candidates?

    if you don’t care enough to have “your” candidates, then keep your hands off mine.

    I like MTG and Matt Gaetz. They represent me better than Cheney does. In spite your unsupported smears, they do better representing their constituents, too.

    I asked because I’m curious who Hang On had in mind. Of course I have preferences, but I also understand that local races are often more complex than the national media portrays them to be.

    I want MTG and Cawthorn to lose their primaries. I still want Republicans in those seats. As much as I didn’t like JD Vance’s campaign, he’ll be better than Tim Ryan. I really don’t want Dr. Oz in Pennsylvania, but Fetterman appears to be a nut.

    If you like MTG and Gaetz, well good for you. I think they are bad for the GOP and for the country. I’d rather have Liz Cheney in Congress even though I think she has gone too far on a lot of her criticism.

    As for the claim of unsupported smears, what did I get wrong? MTG spoke at a Fuentes-organized event. So did Gosar. They should not have done so.

    So, for having spoken somewhere she should be banned? You should apply for a job under Nina Jankowitz in the Truth Commission. Might I suggest that it is more important to understand and, perhaps, criticize what MTG said than to who she said it? I’ve never heard MTG say something that I thought was kooky, let alone, dangerous, have you? 

    • #43
  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):
    The amount of insanity that the left caters to (and has in office) is nothing compared to the right’s crazy.

    I think you meant that the other way around.

    • #44
  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    MTG can believe whatever fool thing she wants, but that doesn’t entitle her to a seat in Congress. 

    Isn’t it the election that entitles her to a seat in Congress?

    • #45
  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    Liz has exposed herself as less committed to conservative principles than Trump.  I’ve decided that she is despicable, and I hope the door does hit her in the ass on her way out of Congress.

    Probably would be hard for the door to miss.

    • #46
  17. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Poor stupid Liz.

    “Stupid” pretty much covers it.  I doubt she’ll ever be “poor”; especially after she signs her MSNBC contract.  Wouldn’t it be great if she and Psaki start their own talk show?

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  18. Stina Inactive
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    @CM

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    The amount of insanity that the left caters to (and has in office) is nothing compared to the right’s crazy.

    I think you meant that the other way around.

    I did. My brain was at the end while I was still typing. As long as the point got through.

    Everyone keeps claiming the Dems’ crazies aren’t in power. But they are. When the vote en bloc with only 1 dissent for a position that has only 17% support from their base, then the crazies control them.

    Our party can tolerate more of our crazies if MTG and Gaetz are representative of them.

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    MTG and Gosar should be condemned for appearing at a white supremacist conference

    The Huffington Post is apparently the source for this statement. The website for the conference lists a lot of people the left doesn’t like very much. The mission statement of AFPAC follows.

    America First is a populist, nationalist movement, reviving working-class patriotism against the globalist agenda desperately trying to bury it. In the past, the grievances of young conservatives have been ignored outright as illegitimate by the GOP and they deserve answers. As both parties endlessly espouse talking points and empty rhetoric, America First Foundation is restoring faith for future generations by upholding the virtues of Traditionalism, Christianity, and pro-American policies without apology.

    Is this white nationalism?

    Not that I care much for MTG or Gosar, but when you say they “appeared at a White Nationalist” conference, I want to see more proof than “It was a white nationalist conference because the Huffington Post, CNN, and the Washington Post said it was.” I’m open to the possibility that it is, but corporate media is quick to slap the “white nationalist” label on pretty much everything to the right of … well, themselves, obviously.

    Without a doubt, source material is really important here. I don’t know the answer, but it seems to revolve around this Fuentes guy. There are some direct comments out there from him that are bothersome but YMMV. I also seem to recall Michelle Malkin getting grief for appearing with him and she isn’t exactly “white.”

    The name Fuentes doesn’t sound white either.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    I wish to endorse Dave Reaboi’s take:

    Ahhh man, I wanted to read the blurred-out parts!

    • #50
  21. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Liz Cheney is playing on Democrat rules that blame Republicans for anything that any Republican anywhere hasn’t denounced to an unachievable level demanded by Democrats. She can’t point to any supporting evidence of her idiotic statement. To those citing Rep. Greene and the other Republicans cited in this thread, note that those people are prominent only because Democrats (including the Democratic media) publicize them. As to the Republican party in general, they are on the outer periphery of party influence. Meanwhile the Democratic LEADERSHIP (Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, AOC and other members of the “squad” (de facto leadership)) openly support violence, racism, sexism, murder, theft, corruption, and openly express hatred for large portions of the American population. I refuse to engage in a Democrat smear done on Democrat terms, even if the smear is proffered by a Republican. 

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    I wish to endorse Dave Reaboi’s take:

    Ahhh man, I wanted to read the blurred-out parts!

    Squint.

    • #52
  23. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    I am very skeptical about the existence of a “white supremacist” movement of any kind.  I don’t think it exists.

    I don’t know if it is much of a “movement”, but identity politics is pushed hard by the Left.   It has been that way a long time.  There is much work to do to fix the culture.

     

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  24. W Bob Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    I would start with leadership not punishing MTG or Gosar for speaking at white supremacist events hosted by Nick Fuentes. We kicked Steve King out for that BS (actually less than that), we should do the same for MTG and Gosar. Instead, JD Vance is touting MTG’s endorsement.

    We have a bipartisan problem of not policing our crazies and it will lead to violence if not dealt with. I don’t agree with Cheney on how she handled this particular incident. As with all of these cases, it is better to wait until information is actually known before trying to make political points, but she’s not necessarily wrong.

    And yes, I want to see the squad and the anti-semites on the Left gone too. This isn’t a partisan issue for me, it’s a basic decency point. If you associate with racists and antisemitism, then you should not be in Congress. I don’t think that should be controversial.

    Somehow I don’t think that’s what she’s referring to. She didn’t have the decency to be specific when making such an accusation against specific people, but I think she’s plugging into all the handwringing about Replacement Theory which the shooter apparently believed.

    In other words people who complain about the border. And this despite the fact that replacement of Republican voters is the only conceivable motive Democrats could have for their lax border policies. If you were a Dem and were tasked with creating a false but believable talking point about why the border shouldn’t be enforced, what could you possibly come up with? 

    The hysteria the libs feel about Replacement Theory means that they know that we know what they’re up to. And Liz Cheney’s TDS apparently has made her feel the same way.

     

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  25. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    Can I ask why you like MTG and Gaetz? What is it that you like? Is it their attitude? Policies?

    Attitudes.  The right attitude leads to right policies and right decisions.

    Personnel is policy.

    • #55
  26. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    W Bob (View Comment):
    The hysteria the libs feel about Replacement Theory means that they know that we know what they’re up to. And Liz Cheney’s TDS apparently has made her feel the same way.

    Yeah, it’s funny how they have talked about this as a positive thing for years, and now the fact that we’re noticing, suddenly it’s a conspiracy theory.

    Michael Anton calls that construction the Celebration Parallax

    “That’s not happening and it’s good that it is!”

    The Celebration Parallax may be stated as: “the same fact pattern is either true and glorious or false and scurrilous depending on who states it.” In contemporary speech, on any “controversial” topic—or, to say better, regime priority—the decisive factor is the intent of the speaker. If she can be presumed to be celebrating the phenomenon under discussion, she may shout her approval from the rooftops. If not, he better shut up before someone comes along to shut him up.

    . . .

    The Left insists that concerns from certain quarters that immigration policy in America (and Europe) amounts to a “great replacement” is a “dangerous,” “evil,” “racist,” “false” “conspiracy theory.” But a leftist New York Times columnist can write an article entitled “We Can Replace Them” and … nothing. Same fundamental point, except she’s all for it and her targets aren’t. A U.S. Senator can exult that demographic change will doom Republicans. Joe Biden himself can refer to an “unrelenting stream of immigration.” Except they’re celebrating it and calling for it. Anyone on the Right who uses the exact same words will not merely be denounced; the very fact pattern that is affirmed when Biden says it will be denied when the Rightist repeats it.

    • #56
  27. Hoyacon Member
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    @Hoyacon

    Isn’t “diversity” a form of replacement?

    • #57
  28. MDHahn Coolidge
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    If you like MTG and Gaetz, well good for you.

    I happen to like them, too.

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    I’d rather have Liz Cheney in Congress

    Liz has exposed herself as less committed to conservative principles than Trump. I’ve decided that she is despicable, and I hope the door does hit her in the ass on her way out of Congress.

    I couldn’t disagree with you more, and I don’t think there are many in your camp under the Republican tent.

    Okay then. There probably aren’t many who agree with me anymore, but we’ll see how things go in the primaries and November. I feel increasingly homeless politically. I will not support democrats under any circumstances. But I also don’t want to blindly support the GOP either.

    Your political home seems to align with the way Democrats frame issues.

    May I recommend Tim Groseclose’s Left Turn? Old, but still relevant for any who are overexposed to traditional media.

    Can I ask why you like MTG and Gaetz? What is it that you like? Is it their attitude? Policies?

    Attitudes. The right attitude leads to right policies and right decisions.

    Attitude is a part of character, and while not perfect, these two strike me as sincerely pursuing conservative goals consistent with our constitution and our sovereignty. I also appreciate their social conservatism. The GOPe is dismissive of social concerns when it thinks it can get away with it. Those are the types I find to be unreliable on all other measures of conservatism, too.

    First, I’m glad you understand my thinking better than I do. I won’t vote for a Democrat. I despise what their party stands for: identity politics, magical monetary policy, extreme LGBT politics, and ever-expanding government power. 

    Identity politics and the cult of victim hood drive the Left’s positions. I see too much of that on the right these days and I believe it is destructive. 

    As for attitude, I think that’s where you lose me. If that’s your cup of tea and what you want in a Congressman, then I guess you’re getting what you want. My problem isn’t just their attitude, but also what it is they say. I don’t want to be in that party.

    I’d rather have Mike Gallagher and Dan Crenshaw. They take their job seriously. They also try to persuade, not just preach to the choir.

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  29. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    The problem with dynasties is that the younger relatives tend to be feebleminded. 

    • #59
  30. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    The problem with dynasties is that the younger relatives tend to be feebleminded.

    Is this about the Podhoretz and Kristol dynasties?

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