Liz Cheney: The Leadership of My Party Enables White Supremacy

 

Liz Cheney (R?-WY?) or her junior staffer who runs the Twitter account, had this to say this morning.

The House GOP leadership has enabled white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism. History has taught us that what begins with words ends in far worse. @GOP leaders must renounce and reject these views and those who hold them.

My question to Liz Cheney or her supporters is… what exactly has the GOP leadership done to enable “white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism?”

Or is this just part of her strategy to save her seat by getting Democrats to vote for her?

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  1. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    Our culture is broken.  Liz is not healing it, she is making things worse.  I guess that is a prerequisite to get a spot on The View.

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  2. MDHahn Coolidge
    MDHahn
    @MDHahn

    I would start with leadership not punishing MTG or Gosar for speaking at white supremacist events hosted by Nick Fuentes. We kicked Steve King out for that BS (actually less than that), we should do the same for MTG and Gosar. Instead, JD Vance is touting MTG’s endorsement. 

    We have a bipartisan problem of not policing our crazies and it will lead to violence if not dealt with. I don’t agree with Cheney on how she handled this particular incident. As with all of these cases, it is better to wait until information is actually known before trying to make political points, but she’s not necessarily wrong. 

    And yes, I want to see the squad and the anti-semites on the Left gone too. This isn’t a partisan issue for me, it’s a basic decency point. If you associate with racists and antisemitism, then you should not be in Congress. I don’t think that should be controversial. 

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  3. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    I would start with leadership not punishing MTG or Gosar for speaking at white supremacist events hosted by Nick Fuentes. We kicked Steve King out for that BS (actually less than that), we should do the same for MTG and Gosar. Instead, JD Vance is touting MTG’s endorsement.

    We have a bipartisan problem of not policing our crazies and it will lead to violence if not dealt with. I don’t agree with Cheney on how she handled this particular incident. As with all of these cases, it is better to wait until information is actually known before trying to make political points, but she’s not necessarily wrong.

    And yes, I want to see the squad and the anti-semites on the Left gone too. This isn’t a partisan issue for me, it’s a basic decency point. If you associate with racists and antisemitism, then you should not be in Congress. I don’t think that should be controversial.

    First define what makes them white supremacist or white nationalist groups.

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  4. Dr. Bastiat Member
    Dr. Bastiat
    @drbastiat

    Victor Tango Kilo: The House GOP leadership has enabled white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism.

    A sweeping statement like that requires extensive evidence to back it up.  You can’t just say stuff like that.

    Absurd…

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  5. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Cheney is the crazy in our party. The amount of insanity that the left caters to (and has in office) is nothing compared to the right’s crazy.

    we aren’t fomenting violence. We are demanding that this nation comes first and that the unfettered immigration is halted. That’s not white supremacist or white nationalist. It is NATIONALIST.

     

    But the democrat house passed a bill for un restricted abortion up to birth. But that’s not crazy, is it? And 49 senators voted for it. Only a fringe of Americans support that, but the entire democrat party endorsed it.

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  6. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    If Little Lizzie wants to fight white supremacists, maybe she should start by cutting off funding to Ukraine. This nut job in Buffalo had lots of Azov trinkets on him and praised them on social media.

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  7. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    I would start with leadership not punishing MTG or Gosar for speaking at white supremacist events hosted by Nick Fuentes. We kicked Steve King out for that BS (actually less than that), we should do the same for MTG and Gosar. Instead, JD Vance is touting MTG’s endorsement.

    We have a bipartisan problem of not policing our crazies and it will lead to violence if not dealt with. I don’t agree with Cheney on how she handled this particular incident. As with all of these cases, it is better to wait until information is actually known before trying to make political points, but she’s not necessarily wrong.

    And yes, I want to see the squad and the anti-semites on the Left gone too. This isn’t a partisan issue for me, it’s a basic decency point. If you associate with racists and antisemitism, then you should not be in Congress. I don’t think that should be controversial.

    So sad your milquetoast wimps are getting beat.

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  8. MDHahn Coolidge
    MDHahn
    @MDHahn

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    I would start with leadership not punishing MTG or Gosar for speaking at white supremacist events hosted by Nick Fuentes. We kicked Steve King out for that BS (actually less than that), we should do the same for MTG and Gosar. Instead, JD Vance is touting MTG’s endorsement.

    We have a bipartisan problem of not policing our crazies and it will lead to violence if not dealt with. I don’t agree with Cheney on how she handled this particular incident. As with all of these cases, it is better to wait until information is actually known before trying to make political points, but she’s not necessarily wrong.

    And yes, I want to see the squad and the anti-semites on the Left gone too. This isn’t a partisan issue for me, it’s a basic decency point. If you associate with racists and antisemitism, then you should not be in Congress. I don’t think that should be controversial.

    So sad your milquetoast wimps are getting beat.

    And who would those be? I’m not out here donating to candidates or endorsing anybody. Who exactly are “my” candidates? 

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  9. MarciN Member
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    @MarciN

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    We have a bipartisan problem of not policing our crazies and it will lead to violence if not dealt with.

    It is far far more important for Republicans to respect the right of an individual to have any opinion he or she chooses. 

    Argument, not force. 

    We are the more tolerant and open-minded, freedom-loving and freedom-seeking party. We always have been, and we always will be. 

    We must stand firm on that principle. 

     

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  10. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    And who would those be? I’m not out here donating to candidates or endorsing anybody. Who exactly are “my” candidates? 

    if you don’t care enough to have “your” candidates, then keep your hands off mine.

    I like MTG and Matt Gaetz. They represent me better than Cheney does. In spite your unsupported smears, they do better representing their constituents, too.

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  11. Doug Watt Moderator
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    It is extremely difficult to prevent someone from doing something stupid or evil. Common criminals who do not have a mental illness rationalize their behavior. The mentally ill are capable of planning, and they have beliefs as well as a defined view of the world that governs their actions. Of course, not all mentally ill individuals engage in violent acts.

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  12. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    It is extremely difficult to prevent someone from doing something stupid or evil. Common criminals who do not have a mental illness rationalize their behavior. The mentally ill are capable of planning, and they have beliefs as well as a defined view of the world that governs their actions. Of course, not all mentally ill individuals engage in violent acts.

    It isn’t that hard to do. It’s just hard for law enforcement to. But we have so much government in place that foments mental illness by catering to destructive pathologies and shunning personal responsibility from kindergarten and beyond. Those institutions are also incapable of dealing with healthy “socialization” and instead think throwing kids together largely unsupervised will form strong friendships among people not taught the moral foundation of friendship. Instead, they develop anti-social qualities. The pretty and the accomplished develop narcissistic personalities and the ugly and unpopular become reclusive and violent.

    Parents, convinced by government that they are unneeded for most of their child’s school life, lock themselves up in careers and have hardly any energy left for ensuring their kids have humility, kindness, and conflict resolution skills in compliance with their values.

    It isn’t hard to prevent most of this. It’s also not hard to create it.

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  13. MDHahn Coolidge
    MDHahn
    @MDHahn

    Stina (View Comment):

    And who would those be? I’m not out here donating to candidates or endorsing anybody. Who exactly are “my” candidates?

    if you don’t care enough to have “your” candidates, then keep your hands off mine.

    I like MTG and Matt Gaetz. They represent me better than Cheney does. In spite your unsupported smears, they do better representing their constituents, too.

    I asked because I’m curious who Hang On had in mind. Of course I have preferences, but I also understand that local races are often more complex than the national media portrays them to be.

    I want MTG and Cawthorn to lose their primaries. I still want Republicans in those seats. As much as I didn’t like JD Vance’s campaign, he’ll be better than Tim Ryan. I really don’t want Dr. Oz in Pennsylvania, but Fetterman appears to be a nut.

    If you like MTG and Gaetz, well good for you. I think they are bad for the GOP and for the country. I’d rather have Liz Cheney in Congress even though I think she has gone too far on a lot of her criticism. 

    As for the claim of unsupported smears, what did I get wrong? MTG spoke at a Fuentes-organized event. So did Gosar. They should not have done so.

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  14. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo: The House GOP leadership has enabled white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism.

    A sweeping statement like that requires extensive evidence to back it up.  You can’t just say stuff like that.

    Lefties do it all the time.  There is a higher standard on Ricochet.

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  15. MDHahn Coolidge
    MDHahn
    @MDHahn

    MarciN (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    We have a bipartisan problem of not policing our crazies and it will lead to violence if not dealt with.

    It is far far more important for Republicans to respect the right of an individual to have any opinion he or she chooses.

    Argument, not force.

    We are the more tolerant and open-minded, freedom-loving and freedom-seeking party. We always have been, and we always will be.

    We must stand firm on that principle.

     

    I’m not arguing for force or that we should abandon free speech. Where do you get that? 

    I support the effort to censure Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib over their antisemitism. I think appearing at a white supremacist conference is worthy of censure too. Nothing in the Constitution prevents Congress as an institution from saying that a member or members have gone too far. Nor is it anti-free speech to say that as a party the GOP doesn’t want its members to speak at fringe conferences. 

    MTG can believe whatever fool thing she wants, but that doesn’t entitle her to a seat in Congress. 

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  16. Phil Turmel Coolidge
    Phil Turmel
    @PhilTurmel

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    If you like MTG and Gaetz, well good for you.

    I happen to like them, too.

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    I’d rather have Liz Cheney in Congress

    Liz has exposed herself as less committed to conservative principles than Trump.  I’ve decided that she is despicable, and I hope the door does hit her in the ass on her way out of Congress.

    I couldn’t disagree with you more, and I don’t think there are many in your camp under the Republican tent.

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  17. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    Stina (View Comment):
    But we have so much government in place that foments mental illness by catering to destructive pathologies and shunning personal responsibility from kindergarten and beyond.

    America has a huge industry that foments racial disharmony (from Biden to  TV talking heads to 4chan to CRT in schools).  It is our cross to bear.  To overcome this, we will need to work very hard.  The healing needs to come from our churches and political leaders and the citizenry. 

    A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
    – John 13:34

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  18. Hoyacon Member
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    @Hoyacon

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    We have a bipartisan problem of not policing our crazies and it will lead to violence if not dealt with.

    It is far far more important for Republicans to respect the right of an individual to have any opinion he or she chooses.

    Argument, not force.

    We are the more tolerant and open-minded, freedom-loving and freedom-seeking party. We always have been, and we always will be.

    We must stand firm on that principle.

     

    I’m not arguing for force or that we should abandon free speech. Where do you get that?

    I support the effort to censure Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib over their antisemitism. I think appearing at a white supremacist conference is worthy of censure too. Nothing in the Constitution prevents Congress as an institution from saying that a member or members have gone too far. Nor is it anti-free speech to say that as a party the GOP doesn’t want its members to speak at fringe conferences.

    MTG can believe whatever fool thing she wants, but that doesn’t entitle her to a seat in Congress.

    She is “entitled” to a seat if her district votes her in, and I say that as someone who is not much of a fan.  You’ve advocated for the primary system.  That’s how it works.

    Cheney’s comment says way more about Cheney than any other Republican.

     

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  19. MDHahn Coolidge
    MDHahn
    @MDHahn

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    If you like MTG and Gaetz, well good for you.

    I happen to like them, too.

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    I’d rather have Liz Cheney in Congress

    Liz has exposed herself as less committed to conservative principles than Trump. I’ve decided that she is despicable, and I hope the door does hit her in the ass on her way out of Congress.

    I couldn’t disagree with you more, and I don’t think there are many in your camp under the Republican tent.

    Okay then. There probably aren’t many who agree with me anymore, but we’ll see how things go in the primaries and November. I feel increasingly homeless politically. I will not support democrats under any circumstances. But I also don’t want to blindly support the GOP either. 

    Can I ask why you like MTG and Gaetz? What is it that you like? Is it their attitude? Policies?

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  20. MarciN Member
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    @MarciN

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    Where do you get that? 

    “policing our crazies”

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  21. Vance Richards Member
    Vance Richards
    @VanceRichards

    A racist nut-job just murdered people in cold blood and her first assumption is, “I bet he’s a Republican”? Really?

    Yes, everyone should condemn a mass murderer, but I am pretty sure the killer wasn’t motivated by Ted Cruz or Donald Trump . . . even though Cheney wants that to be the reason.

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  22. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    A racist nut-job just murdered people in cold blood and her first assumption is, “I bet he’s a Republican”? Really?

    Yes, everyone should condemn a mass murderer, but I am pretty sure the killer wasn’t motivated by Ted Cruz or Donald Trump . . . even though Cheney wants that to be the reason.

    The idea that every incident, however tragic, has to be representative of a larger whole or issue is a favorite of the left.   And the quicker one makes the correlation the better.  That’s where Cheney is.

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  23. MDHahn Coolidge
    MDHahn
    @MDHahn

    MarciN (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    Where do you get that?

    “policing our crazies”

    MTG and Gosar should be condemned for appearing at a white supremacist conference. I would also support stripping them of their committees. They should not be expelled or criminally punished.

    Free speech does not mean refraining from moral judgment or disapproval. 

    Did you support censure of Omar and Tlaib? If so, how is MTG different? 

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  24. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Liz Cheney:  The centerfold for never-Trumpers . . .

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  25. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    MTG and Gosar should be condemned for appearing at a white supremacist conference

    The Huffington Post is apparently the source for this statement. The website for the conference lists a lot of people the left doesn’t like very much. The mission statement of AFPAC follows.

    America First is a populist, nationalist movement, reviving working-class patriotism against the globalist agenda desperately trying to bury it. In the past, the grievances of young conservatives have been ignored outright as illegitimate by the GOP and they deserve answers. As both parties endlessly espouse talking points and empty rhetoric, America First Foundation is restoring faith for future generations by upholding the virtues of Traditionalism, Christianity, and pro-American policies without apology.

    Is this white nationalism?

    Not that I care much for MTG or Gosar, but when you say they “appeared at a White Nationalist” conference, I want to see more proof than “It was a white nationalist conference because the Huffington Post, CNN, and the Washington Post said it was.” I’m open to the possibility that it is, but corporate media is quick to slap the “white nationalist” label on pretty much everything to the right of … well, themselves, obviously.  Show me some objective evidence that the characterization is accurate; like a speaker saying something explicitly racist like “we need to abolish blackness.”

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  26. MDHahn Coolidge
    MDHahn
    @MDHahn

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    MTG and Gosar should be condemned for appearing at a white supremacist conference

    The Huffington Post is apparently the source for this statement. The website for the conference lists a lot of people the left doesn’t like very much. The mission statement of AFPAC follows.

    America First is a populist, nationalist movement, reviving working-class patriotism against the globalist agenda desperately trying to bury it. In the past, the grievances of young conservatives have been ignored outright as illegitimate by the GOP and they deserve answers. As both parties endlessly espouse talking points and empty rhetoric, America First Foundation is restoring faith for future generations by upholding the virtues of Traditionalism, Christianity, and pro-American policies without apology.

    Is this white nationalism?

    Not that I care much for MTG or Gosar, but when you say they “appeared at a White Nationalist” conference, I want to see more proof than “It was a white nationalist conference because the Huffington Post, CNN, and the Washington Post said it was.” I’m open to the possibility that it is, but corporate media is quick to slap the “white nationalist” label on pretty much everything to the right of … well, themselves, obviously.

    Try again. I don’t visit or read Huffington Post. Nor do I rely on the other outlets you list. I’ve listened to some of Fuentes’ podcasts and what he’s said in public in the past. He is a absolutely a white supremacist and anti-semite. 

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  27. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    MTG and Gosar should be condemned for appearing at a white supremacist conference

    The Huffington Post is apparently the source for this statement. The website for the conference lists a lot of people the left doesn’t like very much. The mission statement of AFPAC follows.

    America First is a populist, nationalist movement, reviving working-class patriotism against the globalist agenda desperately trying to bury it. In the past, the grievances of young conservatives have been ignored outright as illegitimate by the GOP and they deserve answers. As both parties endlessly espouse talking points and empty rhetoric, America First Foundation is restoring faith for future generations by upholding the virtues of Traditionalism, Christianity, and pro-American policies without apology.

    Is this white nationalism?

    Not that I care much for MTG or Gosar, but when you say they “appeared at a White Nationalist” conference, I want to see more proof than “It was a white nationalist conference because the Huffington Post, CNN, and the Washington Post said it was.” I’m open to the possibility that it is, but corporate media is quick to slap the “white nationalist” label on pretty much everything to the right of … well, themselves, obviously.

    Without a doubt, source material is really important here.  I don’t know the answer, but it seems to revolve around this Fuentes guy.  There are some direct comments out there from him that are bothersome but YMMV.  I also seem to recall Michelle Malkin getting grief for appearing with him and she isn’t exactly “white.”

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  28. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    MTG and Gosar should be condemned for appearing at a white supremacist conference

    The Huffington Post is apparently the source for this statement. The website for the conference lists a lot of people the left doesn’t like very much. The mission statement of AFPAC follows.

    America First is a populist, nationalist movement, reviving working-class patriotism against the globalist agenda desperately trying to bury it. In the past, the grievances of young conservatives have been ignored outright as illegitimate by the GOP and they deserve answers. As both parties endlessly espouse talking points and empty rhetoric, America First Foundation is restoring faith for future generations by upholding the virtues of Traditionalism, Christianity, and pro-American policies without apology.

    Is this white nationalism?

    Not that I care much for MTG or Gosar, but when you say they “appeared at a White Nationalist” conference, I want to see more proof than “It was a white nationalist conference because the Huffington Post, CNN, and the Washington Post said it was.” I’m open to the possibility that it is, but corporate media is quick to slap the “white nationalist” label on pretty much everything to the right of … well, themselves, obviously.

    Without a doubt, source material is really important here. I don’t know the answer, but it seems to revolve around this Fuentes guy. There are some direct comments out there from him that are bothersome but YMMV. I also seem to recall Michelle Malkin getting grief for appearing with him and she isn’t exactly “white.”

    I am very skeptical about the existence of a “white supremacist” movement of any kind. I don’t think it exists. I see people getting along everywhere I go. I just don’t buy this fear mongering of the mass media. The whole thing feels like a false flag operation of some kind. The Democrats have worked themselves into a frenzy of their own imagination.

    Is there pushback against the “white oppressor” construct? Yes. But it’s for someone. It’s not against anyone except those making such accusations.

    We’ll have to pick: Either I live in some unique place that is unlike any other in America where everyone gets along nicely, or they are imagining monsters where none exist. And they are making a ton of money off of promulgating this full-of-hate image of America. It has been in play for a long time. There’s an entire storyline on The West Wing concerning “violent white supremacists.”

    They always pick the nebulous and personal attack. I notice they don’t go after the IRS collectors or the EPA armed police. It’s always something vague that people can’t defend themselves against.

    But that’s just my sense of the situation.

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  29. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    I’ll admit that from the few clips I’ve seen of Nick Fuentes, he comes off as skeevy. He may well be as bad as they say he is; but the same people who insist he’s a racist anti-semite are the same people who claim opposition to globalism is secret dog whistle code for antisemitism. These are the same people who claim it’s antisemitic to despise George Soros; even though the man was literally, not figuratively, involved with the German National Socialist Workers Party.

    Anyway, if this is Liz Cheney’s basis for declaring, “House GOP leadership has enabled white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism,” it’s pretty weak tea. It is the instinct of the Bush-Republican to align themselves with media narratives and dump on more conservative members who do not.

    I am very skeptical about the existence of a “white supremacist” movement of any kind.

    I think the demand for racism in the USA vastly exceeds the supply. If there isn’t enough real racism, the media will conjure it up by evoking shadowy conspiracy theories of white supremacy and white nationalism. It’s a convenient cudgel against anyone who opposes anything the left supports. Even opposition to abortion is supposedly based in white supremacy.

    Outside of the Azov battalion, there really isn’t much organized white supremacy in the world.

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  30. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    And who would those be? I’m not out here donating to candidates or endorsing anybody. Who exactly are “my” candidates?

    if you don’t care enough to have “your” candidates, then keep your hands off mine.

    I like MTG and Matt Gaetz. They represent me better than Cheney does. In spite your unsupported smears, they do better representing their constituents, too.

    I asked because I’m curious who Hang On had in mind. Of course I have preferences, but I also understand that local races are often more complex than the national media portrays them to be.

    I want MTG and Cawthorn to lose their primaries. I still want Republicans in those seats. As much as I didn’t like JD Vance’s campaign, he’ll be better than Tim Ryan. I really don’t want Dr. Oz in Pennsylvania, but Fetterman appears to be a nut.

    If you like MTG and Gaetz, well good for you. I think they are bad for the GOP and for the country. I’d rather have Liz Cheney in Congress even though I think she has gone too far on a lot of her criticism.

    As for the claim of unsupported smears, what did I get wrong? MTG spoke at a Fuentes-organized event. So did Gosar. They should not have done so.

    Talking at Fuentes’ event makes on a white supremacist? Support it or stop spreading unsupported rumors.

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