Republicans Don’t Give a Damn About Americans

 

REPORT: The House could vote as soon as Tuesday night on a $40 billion package of military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

Trump wanted $4 billion for his Wall and the GOP couldn’t come up with it. The GOP has had massive power time and time again over the last 40 years and hasn’t secured our border. But they can get behind giving 10 times that amount to a country it isn’t in our interest to worry about.

Why don’t conservatives move as swiftly to stop the endless fentanyl killing Americans? The child molesters destroying our children? How about the murderers and gang members infesting our streets and terrorizing our communities? The GOP will win and they’ll do nothing to stop any of it but fundraise and beg for the White House. A curse on both parties. They’re all trash.

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  1. Painter Jean Moderator
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    I realize that it’s easier and more fun to tar everyone with the same brush, but here’s a list of the 57 Republicans who voted against aid to Ukraine.

    I would not vote for any of them.

    Why is that?

    I support military aid to Ukraine. If a US Congressman or US Senator does not support such aid, I will not vote for that person. It doesn’t matter what their political party affiliation is or how good they are on other issues. If they get that issue wrong, I won’t vote for that person.

    OK, you’re a single issue voter. Nothing wrong with that.

    Apparently the ridiculous amount of the aid against the multiple domestic issues isn’t a concern.

    There are many issues I care about.

    But if a member of Congress fails to vote for aid to Ukraine at a time when Ukraine is in a desperate struggle against Putin’s tyrannical plans, I will not support that member of Congress.

    Those members of Congress that you listed have unwittingly allied themselves with Putin. They can not have my support.

    You skipped over my last point, but I assume if the aid was for less–say a piddling 10 billion–some or many of them would have cast a different vote. See, you seem unable to realize that the amount matters and are stuck on “aid.”

    Do we know that? How many of those who voted against it were objecting to the amount, and how many are Putin apologists like Marjorie Taylor Greene? That’s important to know.

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  2. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    The Ukrainians are the ones doing the fighting and dying. Providing military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine is not only morally correct but it’s also in our national interest to see Putin defeated in his effort to subjugate Ukraine.

    Why is this form of socialism for foreigners correct but assistance at home for Healthcare, free education, free child care and all the other progressive crap wrong?

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  3. Painter Jean Moderator
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    Seriously this seems like the zero sum type of thinking that progressives use all the time. IF WE PAY FOR BOMBS WE CANT HELP POOR PEOPLE! I don’t see why continuing to fund Ukrainian resistance has any impact on fentanyl abuse or wall building. You seriously think this is an either/or situation??

    I’m not sure any government program can stop someone from using fentanyl if they are determined to abuse drugs like that.

    Some people value short term pleasure over long term health.

    You can’t be serious. The amount of fentanyl in the country is directly related to how uncontrolled the border is.

    If you shut down the border you shut down the ones that are straight criminals that aren’t surrendering to border patrol. The got a ways. Got a ways are about 40% of whoever surrenders and lies about asylum. It’s insane. It’s like surrendering to criminals and funding cartels.

    You don’t want excess opioids anywhere.

    The availability of fentanyl does not, in fact, dictate its use. What dictates its use is the desire to feel its effects despite its known dangers. Changing the minds of people who desire that short-term pleasure is not one that the government is likely to be effective at, though I can see boatloads of money going there anyway. I think churches are likely to be more effective.

    Fentanyl could be dumped in quantity on my doorstep, but I wouldn’t take it even though it would be available.

    People want hard drugs. There is no reason to compound it with fentanyl, especially the way we are doing it. Close the border like any ordinary person with a brain would expect.

    You just said it – people want hard drugs! I have no doubt that we could secure the border (which I would be in favor of), but the drugs would get in anyway. The problem isn’t the availability of the drugs; the problem is the desire for the drugs. And I don’t think the government is able to do anything to address that.

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  4. HeavyWater Reagan
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    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    The Ukrainians are the ones doing the fighting and dying. Providing military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine is not only morally correct but it’s also in our national interest to see Putin defeated in his effort to subjugate Ukraine.

    Why is this form of socialism for foreigners correct but assistance at home for Healthcare, free education, free child care and all the other progressive crap wrong?

    For the same reason that our police forces are publicly funded and other items are privately funded.  

    Call it the principle of non-exclusivity if you want.  

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    Seriously this seems like the zero sum type of thinking that progressives use all the time. IF WE PAY FOR BOMBS WE CANT HELP POOR PEOPLE! I don’t see why continuing to fund Ukrainian resistance has any impact on fentanyl abuse or wall building. You seriously think this is an either/or situation??

    I’m not sure any government program can stop someone from using fentanyl if they are determined to abuse drugs like that.

    Some people value short term pleasure over long term health.

    You can’t be serious. The amount of fentanyl in the country is directly related to how uncontrolled the border is.

    If you shut down the border you shut down the ones that are straight criminals that aren’t surrendering to border patrol. The got a ways. Got a ways are about 40% of whoever surrenders and lies about asylum. It’s insane. It’s like surrendering to criminals and funding cartels.

    You don’t want excess opioids anywhere.

    The availability of fentanyl does not, in fact, dictate its use. What dictates its use is the desire to feel its effects despite its known dangers. Changing the minds of people who desire that short-term pleasure is not one that the government is likely to be effective at, though I can see boatloads of money going there anyway. I think churches are likely to be more effective.

    Fentanyl could be dumped in quantity on my doorstep, but I wouldn’t take it even though it would be available.

    People want hard drugs. There is no reason to compound it with fentanyl, especially the way we are doing it. Close the border like any ordinary person with a brain would expect.

    You just said it – people want hard drugs! I have no doubt that we could secure the border (which I would be in favor of), but the drugs would get in anyway. The problem isn’t the availability of the drugs; the problem is the desire for the drugs. And I don’t think the government is able to do anything to address that.

    You aren’t reading what I actually said in total. You aren’t making an argument against that. 

     

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    Watch the William F Buckley video about legalizing hard drugs. Seven whole minutes. We should have done it 40 years ago. Now it’s too late. The cartels have too much power and money.

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  7. Hoyacon Member
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    I realize that it’s easier and more fun to tar everyone with the same brush, but here’s a list of the 57 Republicans who voted against aid to Ukraine.

    I would not vote for any of them.

    Why is that?

    I support military aid to Ukraine. If a US Congressman or US Senator does not support such aid, I will not vote for that person. It doesn’t matter what their political party affiliation is or how good they are on other issues. If they get that issue wrong, I won’t vote for that person.

    OK, you’re a single issue voter. Nothing wrong with that.

    Apparently the ridiculous amount of the aid against the multiple domestic issues isn’t a concern.

    I’d be a lot happier with the amount if I had any confidence that its management was in competent hands. I am fairly certain that at least some will be helpful to the Ukrainians and I am in favor of helping them, but given the incompetence of this administration I expect waste and possibly worse.

    I also would not discount the possibility that some of it ends up in Swiss accounts held by Ukrainians, said the cynic.

     

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  8. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

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    The Ukrainians are the ones doing the fighting and dying. Providing military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine is not only morally correct but it’s also in our national interest to see Putin defeated in his effort to subjugate Ukraine.

    Why is this form of socialism for foreigners correct but assistance at home for Healthcare, free education, free child care and all the other progressive crap wrong?

    For the same reason that our police forces are publicly funded and other items are privately funded.

    Call it the principle of non-exclusivity if you want.

    Free weapons and economic aid to foreigners isn’t like police at home. So you have no principle.

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I also would not discount the possibility that some of it ends up in Swiss accounts held by Ukrainians, said the cynic.

    Held by American Senators and House Members.

    Never forget that our own President was caught taking bribes from Ukraine. Doubt he was the only one.

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  10. HeavyWater Reagan
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    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

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    The Ukrainians are the ones doing the fighting and dying. Providing military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine is not only morally correct but it’s also in our national interest to see Putin defeated in his effort to subjugate Ukraine.

    Why is this form of socialism for foreigners correct but assistance at home for Healthcare, free education, free child care and all the other progressive crap wrong?

    For the same reason that our police forces are publicly funded and other items are privately funded.

    Call it the principle of non-exclusivity if you want.

    Free weapons and economic aid to foreigners isn’t like police at home. So you have no principle.

    Foreign policy is delivered publicly, just as police protection is delivered publicly.  

    You have no brain.  

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  11. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

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    The Ukrainians are the ones doing the fighting and dying. Providing military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine is not only morally correct but it’s also in our national interest to see Putin defeated in his effort to subjugate Ukraine.

    Why is this form of socialism for foreigners correct but assistance at home for Healthcare, free education, free child care and all the other progressive crap wrong?

    For the same reason that our police forces are publicly funded and other items are privately funded.

    Call it the principle of non-exclusivity if you want.

    Free weapons and economic aid to foreigners isn’t like police at home. So you have no principle.

    Foreign policy is delivered publicly, just as police protection is delivered publicly.

    You have no brain.

    Free money overseas isn’t foreign policy. It’s free money. The idea that if you pay for other people’s Healthcare in other countries and economic assistance it’s foreign policy is laughable on its face. You clearly have no brain. 

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  12. Painter Jean Moderator
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    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

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    The Ukrainians are the ones doing the fighting and dying. Providing military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine is not only morally correct but it’s also in our national interest to see Putin defeated in his effort to subjugate Ukraine.

    Why is this form of socialism for foreigners correct but assistance at home for Healthcare, free education, free child care and all the other progressive crap wrong?

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

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    I realize that it’s easier and more fun to tar everyone with the same brush, but here’s a list of the 57 Republicans who voted against aid to Ukraine.

    I would not vote for any of them.

    Why is that?

    I support military aid to Ukraine. If a US Congressman or US Senator does not support such aid, I will not vote for that person. It doesn’t matter what their political party affiliation is or how good they are on other issues. If they get that issue wrong, I won’t vote for that person.

    OK, you’re a single issue voter. Nothing wrong with that.

    Apparently the ridiculous amount of the aid against the multiple domestic issues isn’t a concern.

    I’d be a lot happier with the amount if I had any confidence that its management was in competent hands. I am fairly certain that at least some will be helpful to the Ukrainians and I am in favor of helping them, but given the incompetence of this administration I expect waste and possibly worse.

    I also would not discount the possibility that some of it ends up in Swiss accounts held by Ukrainians, said the cynic.

     

    I’m afraid that is a possibility whenever large amounts of tax dollars are being thrown around. We don’t do a good job of watching those federal dollars here at home, so yes, your cynicism is warranted. Still, I believe we need to help the Ukrainians and I am sure that some will get through and help them. 

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  13. Painter Jean Moderator
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    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

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    The Ukrainians are the ones doing the fighting and dying. Providing military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine is not only morally correct but it’s also in our national interest to see Putin defeated in his effort to subjugate Ukraine.

    Why is this form of socialism for foreigners correct but assistance at home for Healthcare, free education, free child care and all the other progressive crap wrong?

    Wow, do you really have to ask?!!

    I suppose you would have raised the same objections during the Berlin Airlift.

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  14. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    The Ukrainians are the ones doing the fighting and dying. Providing military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine is not only morally correct but it’s also in our national interest to see Putin defeated in his effort to subjugate Ukraine.

    Why is this form of socialism for foreigners correct but assistance at home for Healthcare, free education, free child care and all the other progressive crap wrong?

    Wow, do you really have to ask?!!

    I suppose you would have raised the same objections during the Berlin Airlift.

    If during the Berlin airlift mothers here are home couldn’t get baby formula and were suffering with record inflation then yes. It’s morally reprehensible to stack more debt on their backs for foreigners. And you are morally reprehensible. 

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  15. Painter Jean Moderator
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    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    The Ukrainians are the ones doing the fighting and dying. Providing military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine is not only morally correct but it’s also in our national interest to see Putin defeated in his effort to subjugate Ukraine.

    Why is this form of socialism for foreigners correct but assistance at home for Healthcare, free education, free child care and all the other progressive crap wrong?

    Wow, do you really have to ask?!!

    I suppose you would have raised the same objections during the Berlin Airlift.

    If during the Berlin airlift mothers here are home couldn’t get baby formula and were suffering with record inflation then yes. It’s morally reprehensible to stack more debt on their backs for foreigners. And you are morally reprehensible.

    But the problems you raise aren’t related.  We would still be having inflation and a baby formula shortage even if we didn’t give the Ukrainians a dime. Your argument isn’t logical.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Seriously this seems like the zero sum type of thinking that progressives use all the time. IF WE PAY FOR BOMBS WE CANT HELP POOR PEOPLE! I don’t see why continuing to fund Ukrainian resistance has any impact on fentanyl abuse or wall building. You seriously think this is an either/or situation??

    I’m not sure any government program can stop someone from using fentanyl if they are determined to abuse drugs like that.

    Some people value short term pleasure over long term health.

    You can’t be serious. The amount of fentanyl in the country is directly related to how uncontrolled the border is.

    If you shut down the border you shut down the ones that are straight criminals that aren’t surrendering to border patrol. The got a ways. Got a ways are about 40% of whoever surrenders and lies about asylum. It’s insane. It’s like surrendering to criminals and funding cartels.

    You don’t want excess opioids anywhere.

    It’s not that difficult to manufacture illegal drugs within the US, if it becomes too expensive to import them.

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  17. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    But the problems you raise aren’t related.  We would still be having inflation and a baby formula shortage even if we didn’t give the Ukrainians a dime.

    We don’t need 40 billion dollars more inflation with no way to pay for it. It’s immoral. Its like saying it’s OK to smoke since you already have cancer. You argument isn’t logical. 

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  18. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    I also find the attitude “people are going to use fentanyl anyway, so who cares?” rather immoral, too.

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  19. Painter Jean Moderator
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    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    But the problems you raise aren’t related. We would still be having inflation and a baby formula shortage even if we didn’t give the Ukrainians a dime.

    We don’t need 40 billion dollars more inflation with no way to pay for it. It’s immoral. Its like saying it’s OK to smoke since you already have cancer. You argument isn’t logical.

    I don’t think you understand why injecting billions of dollars into the US economy is inflationary. If you understood that, you would not suggest that billions of dollars of military and humanitarian aid would have the same effect.

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

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    Seriously this seems like the zero sum type of thinking that progressives use all the time. IF WE PAY FOR BOMBS WE CANT HELP POOR PEOPLE! I don’t see why continuing to fund Ukrainian resistance has any impact on fentanyl abuse or wall building. You seriously think this is an either/or situation??

    I’m not sure any government program can stop someone from using fentanyl if they are determined to abuse drugs like that.

    Some people value short term pleasure over long term health.

    You can’t be serious. The amount of fentanyl in the country is directly related to how uncontrolled the border is.

    If you shut down the border you shut down the ones that are straight criminals that aren’t surrendering to border patrol. The got a ways. Got a ways are about 40% of whoever surrenders and lies about asylum. It’s insane. It’s like surrendering to criminals and funding cartels.

    You don’t want excess opioids anywhere.

    It’s not that difficult to manufacture illegal drugs within the US, if it becomes too expensive to import them.

    Feel free to prove that. As far as I know, fentanyl always came in through the mail prior to this chaos. You are just making this up. 

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  21. Painter Jean Moderator
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    I also find the attitude “people are going to use fentanyl anyway, so who cares?” rather immoral, too.

    The “so who cares?” bit is your invention. Nice attack on a straw-man of your own making. I do care, but I am skeptical that government has any answers or solutions.  I think churches might be more effective. And while there are many sound reasons to secure our border, I am only being realistic by suggesting that that they’ll still get through. Soemone will meet the demand. 

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    I also find the attitude “people are going to use fentanyl anyway, so who cares?” rather immoral, too.

    The “so who cares?” bit is your invention. Nice attack on a straw-man of your own making. I do care, but I am skeptical that government has any answers or solutions. I think churches might be more effective. And while there are many sound reasons to secure our border, I am only being realistic by suggesting that that they’ll still get through. Soemone will meet the demand.

    I think it’s quintupled since Biden got into office. It correlates with got-a-ways. It’s insanely valuable per ounce. There is nothing like it. Even if you don’t give a damn about people fooling around with hard drugs, it drains resources like nothing else they have to deal with. 

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    Concretevol (View Comment):

    Seriously this seems like the zero sum type of thinking that progressives use all the time. IF WE PAY FOR BOMBS WE CANT HELP POOR PEOPLE! I don’t see why continuing to fund Ukrainian resistance has any impact on fentanyl abuse or wall building. You seriously think this is an either/or situation??

    I’m not sure any government program can stop someone from using fentanyl if they are determined to abuse drugs like that.

    Some people value short term pleasure over long term health.

    You can’t be serious. The amount of fentanyl in the country is directly related to how uncontrolled the border is.

    If you shut down the border you shut down the ones that are straight criminals that aren’t surrendering to border patrol. The got a ways. Got a ways are about 40% of whoever surrenders and lies about asylum. It’s insane. It’s like surrendering to criminals and funding cartels.

    You don’t want excess opioids anywhere.

    It’s not that difficult to manufacture illegal drugs within the US, if it becomes too expensive to import them.

    Feel free to prove that. As far as I know, fentanyl always came in through the mail prior to this chaos. You are just making this up.

    And/or if fentanyl gets to be scarce or too expensive, they’ll use other things.  That’s happened before too.

    Sure, fentanyl is currently made in labs in other countries because it’s cheap to do that and then import it.  But are you claiming that labs can’t exist in the US?  Because ground in the US is made of Anti-MatterLab and if it comes in contact with Lab it will explode?

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  24. RufusRJones Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    I think churches might be more effective.

    Go on, please. 

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    And/or if fentanyl gets to be scarce or too expensive, they’ll use other things.  That’s happened before too.

    If you are actually reading what I am saying, that is what I’m saying. You will have fewer resources drained this way.

    kedavis (View Comment):
    But are you claiming that labs can’t exist in the US?

    It mostly came in through the mail from China, I think. I have never heard that it’s cooked in the United States like meth used to be.

    Right now, I think the cartels work with China. 

    Fentanyl causes more complications than any other drug regardless of what you are valuing in the drug war. It helps the cartels the most. Act accordingly.

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  26. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    I don’t think you understand why injecting billions of dollars into the US economy is inflationary. If you understood that, you would not suggest that billions of dollars of military and humanitarian aid would have the same effect.

    Um . . . basically we just created 40 Billion Dollars, but we didn’t even inject it into our own economy.

    So are you saying that we can create trillions, and as long as we give it to other countries instead of our own, we won’t feel any economic effects?

    Are you drinking?

     

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    And/or if fentanyl gets to be scarce or too expensive, they’ll use other things. That’s happened before too.

    If you are actually reading what I am saying, that is what I’m saying. You will have fewer resources drained this way.

    kedavis (View Comment):
    But are you claiming that labs can’t exist in the US?

    It mostly came in through the mail from China, I think. I have never heard that it’s cooked in the United States like meth used to be.

    Right now, I think the cartels work with China.

    Fentanyl causes more complications than any other drug regardless of what you are valuing in the drug war. It helps the cartels the most. Act accordingly.

    And if you could somehow cut off the supply from China, I expect they would create labs in Mexico, maybe Canada, and in the US too, possibly all funded with money from China and with profits flowing back there as with now.

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  28. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    I also find the attitude “people are going to use fentanyl anyway, so who cares?” rather immoral, too.

    The “so who cares?” bit is your invention.

    Nevertheless, I persisted.

    We’re ignoring our own “blood border” (fueled by fentanyl) because our elected officials care more about Ukraine’s borders.

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    And/or if fentanyl gets to be scarce or too expensive, they’ll use other things. That’s happened before too.

    If you are actually reading what I am saying, that is what I’m saying. You will have fewer resources drained this way.

    kedavis (View Comment):
    But are you claiming that labs can’t exist in the US?

    It mostly came in through the mail from China, I think. I have never heard that it’s cooked in the United States like meth used to be.

    Right now, I think the cartels work with China.

    Fentanyl causes more complications than any other drug regardless of what you are valuing in the drug war. It helps the cartels the most. Act accordingly.

    And if you could somehow cut off the supply from China, I expect they would create labs in Mexico, maybe Canada, and in the US too, possibly all funded with money from China and with profits flowing back there as with now.

    In other words “who cares?”

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    And if you could somehow cut off the supply from China, I expect they would create labs in Mexico, maybe Canada, and in the US too, possibly all funded with money from China and with profits flowing back there as with now.

    I don’t know anything about this. I have no idea if it’s the same thing as a meth lab or whatever. Feel free to research it. In the meantime we are obviously better off forcing it away from the southern border.

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