Republicans Don’t Give a Damn About Americans

 

REPORT: The House could vote as soon as Tuesday night on a $40 billion package of military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

Trump wanted $4 billion for his Wall and the GOP couldn’t come up with it. The GOP has had massive power time and time again over the last 40 years and hasn’t secured our border. But they can get behind giving 10 times that amount to a country it isn’t in our interest to worry about.

Why don’t conservatives move as swiftly to stop the endless fentanyl killing Americans? The child molesters destroying our children? How about the murderers and gang members infesting our streets and terrorizing our communities? The GOP will win and they’ll do nothing to stop any of it but fundraise and beg for the White House. A curse on both parties. They’re all trash.

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  1. HeavyWater Reagan
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    The Pubs didn’t push for border security even when they had the majority.

    This is a fact. Not only this, but they actively undermined and sabotaged Trump’s border initiatives.

    Just for the record, the “Pubs” never had the ability to pass anything through the Senate that was not modestly bi-partisan. As for the rest, I dunno.

    This goes to Glen’s point. If not for worthless, faithless Republicans in our seats, we WOULD have had the ability.
    I am grateful for things like blocking Garland, but that is becoming increasingly distant.

    This is why Glen’s “point” is off base, aside from the hyperbole. Worthless faithless Republicans, as annoying as they are, never counted for the votes necessary to override a filibuster.

    And I disagree, in the wake of the Alito draft, that blocking Ginsburg was in a any way distant. In fact, you could argue that it’s a really big plus for Cocaine Mitch.

    If I remember correctly, Ruth Bader Ginsburg was not blocked from elevated to the US Supreme Court.  In fact, I think only 3 US Senators voted against Ginsburg.  The vote was something like 96 to 3.  

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  2. BDB Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    This is why Glen’s “point” is off base, aside from the hyperbole.  Worthless faithless Republicans, as annoying as they are, never counted for the votes necessary to override a filibuster.

    But that’s exactly his point.

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  3. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):
    Why? Because we’re the people who suffer most in blood and treasure every time some elitist gets it in his skull to play with toy soldiers. 

    And the people who suffer most from illegal immigration are the working class without connections or privilege to get secure white collar jobs.

    And the people who suffer most from runaway inflation are the middle and working class who don’t have intergenerational wealth as a backstop.

    And the people who suffer most from crime are people who don’t live in gated communities with 24 hour security.

    Our ruling class has no clue what the other classes are going through. They have the luxury of thinking a remote conflict between two European countries is the most important issue in the world.

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  4. BDB Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    And I disagree, in the wake of the Alito draft, that blocking Ginsburg was in a any way distant.  In fact, you could argue that it’s a really big plus for Cocaine Mitch.

    I agree that USCS consent has a long-term reach.  It’s also true that every day brings another crucial matter.  The tyranny of time is linear.

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  5. HeavyWater Reagan
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):
    Why? Because we’re the people who suffer most in blood and treasure every time some elitist gets it in his skull to play with toy soldiers.

    And the people who suffer most from illegal immigration are the working class without connections or privilege to get secure white collar jobs.

    And the people who suffer most from runaway inflation are the middle and working class who don’t have intergenerational wealth as a backstop.

    And the people who suffer most from crime are people who don’t live in gated communities with 24 hour security.

    Our ruling class has no clue what the other classes are going through. They have the luxury of thinking a remote conflict between two European countries is the most important issue in the world.

    There’s only one way to change things.   Vote in November.  

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  6. philo Member
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    Yes…and, let’s be honest here, there is an elephant with a slightly smaller bag right behind that ass.

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  7. Hoyacon Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    This is why Glen’s “point” is off base, aside from the hyperbole. Worthless faithless Republicans, as annoying as they are, never counted for the votes necessary to override a filibuster.

    But that’s exactly his point.

    You see something that I don’t, which is entirely possible.  

    I thought his point was that Republicans didn’t fund the wall when they didn’t have the votes to do so, but should be dissed for funding Ukraine when the Dems are in the same boat.

    That doesn’t really go to the wisdom of the money to Ukraine.

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  8. philo Member
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    Interesting how many “characters” have re-emerged in the last day or two. Something big must be a brewin’…

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  9. HeavyWater Reagan
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    The 40 billion dollar aid package for Ukraine passed the House 368 to 57.  Now it goes to the Senate.

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  10. Painter Jean Moderator
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):
    Why? Because we’re the people who suffer most in blood and treasure every time some elitist gets it in his skull to play with toy soldiers.

    And the people who suffer most from illegal immigration are the working class without connections or privilege to get secure white collar jobs.

    And the people who suffer most from runaway inflation are the middle and working class who don’t have intergenerational wealth as a backstop.

    And the people who suffer most from crime are people who don’t live in gated communities with 24 hour security.

    Our ruling class has no clue what the other classes are going through. They have the luxury of thinking a remote conflict between two European countries is the most important issue in the world.

    I completely agree with you that the ruling class has no idea of what life is like for the rest of us, which is why they dabble in boutique concerns like transgenderism and climate change. But as for Ukraine, the polling is pretty clear – majorities of both those who voted for Biden and those who voted for Trump support giving support to Ukraine. That doesn’t mean that they regard it as the most important issue. But it’s not just the elites who favor support for Ukraine – it’s a majority of Americans, Right and Left. 

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  11. db25db Lincoln
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    But supposedly she’s a nut job.

    The GOPe hate her.

    But hey, here’s the former RNC chair giving Democrats an assist with their latest jeremiad.

    With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?

    man, what happened to Steele

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  12. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    There’s only one way to change things.   Vote in November.  

    Yeah, trust that this time Republicans will change things; unlike the last ten times. 

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  13. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    I wonder if the Congressional vote on the 39.7 billion dollar aid package for Ukraine will be as lopsided as the vote on the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend Lease Act, which passed the US Senate unanimously and passed the US House by a vote of 417 to 10.

    6 percent of Americans have confidence in Putin to do the right thing in world affairs.

    72 percent of Americans have confidence in Zelensky to do the right thing in world affairs.

    So, is this a case of both Democrat and Republican politicians following the polls?

    They are following the inclinations of their voters as expressed in the polls, yes.

    Let’s hear it for populism!

    Populism is about doing what is best for the populace, not doing what is popular. 

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  14. db25db Lincoln
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    there’s no doubt there are elected Republicans who don’t want to build a wall.  But the ultimate difference is there was zero Democrat support, so the filibuster is in place.  there was no real way to advance it short of eliminating the filibuster.  which is a terrible idea

     

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  15. db25db Lincoln
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    But supposedly she’s a nut job.

    The GOPe hate her.

    But hey, here’s the former RNC chair giving Democrats an assist with their latest jeremiad.

    With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?

    they’re both terrible

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  16. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    There were polls taken at the start of this war that showed that the richer people were, the more likely they were to support U.S. involvement in Ukraine. There was a clear demographic divide. The people who were most against it were the working classes.

    Why? Because we’re the people who suffer most in blood and treasure every time some elitist gets it in his skull to play with toy soldiers. 

    That is not why.  It is because the laptop class likes to follow the cause celebre.   Working class folks don’t have time to post flags on their Twitter profiles and support sending money to corrupt oligarchs–they are too busy trying to find that last can of baby formula. 

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  17. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    db25db (View Comment):

    there’s no doubt there are elected Republicans who don’t want to build a wall. But the ultimate difference is there was zero Democrat support, so the filibuster is in place. there was no real way to advance it short of eliminating the filibuster. which is a terrible idea

    Weird how Democrats just keep pushing unpopular ideas… Gay marriage, Obamacare, third term abortion… year after year until they win. 

    70% of the population wants a secure border, and Republicans still won’t do it. 

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  18. kedavis Inactive
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    db25db (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    But supposedly she’s a nut job.

    The GOPe hate her.

    But hey, here’s the former RNC chair giving Democrats an assist with their latest jeremiad.

     

    With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?

    man, what happened to Steele

    Maybe he’s one of those who wasn’t all that Republican to start with.

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  19. Cassandro Coolidge
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    philo (View Comment):

    Interesting how many “characters” have re-emerged in the last day or two. Something big must be a brewin’…

    Day or two?

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  20. Cassandro Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    But supposedly she’s a nut job.

    The GOPe hate her.

    But hey, here’s the former RNC chair giving Democrats an assist with their latest jeremiad.

    With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?

    Steele’s complaining about the new theocracy’s anti-abortion part about, “We won’t do away with the child conceived, uh — in, in, rape or incest.”

    One the one hand he’s admitting it’s a child conceived, but he wants it aborted anyway.  And he’s lecturing on the Handmaid’s Tale themes of the Christian New Testament and the “Christian Old Testament” in regard to Sarai, Rachel and Leah?

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  21. BDB Coolidge
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    philo (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Yes…and, let’s be honest here, there is an elephant with a slightly smaller bag right behind that ass.

    The elephant’s already in the second truck.  “Unbeknowst-like.”

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  22. BDB Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):
    Why? Because we’re the people who suffer most in blood and treasure every time some elitist gets it in his skull to play with toy soldiers.

    And the people who suffer most from illegal immigration are the working class without connections or privilege to get secure white collar jobs.

    And the people who suffer most from runaway inflation are the middle and working class who don’t have intergenerational wealth as a backstop.

    And the people who suffer most from crime are people who don’t live in gated communities with 24 hour security.

    Our ruling class has no clue what the other classes are going through. They have the luxury of thinking a remote conflict between two European countries is the most important issue in the world.

    I completely agree with you that the ruling class has no idea of what life is like for the rest of us, which is why they dabble in boutique concerns like transgenderism and climate change. But as for Ukraine, the polling is pretty clear – majorities of both those who voted for Biden and those who voted for Trump support giving support to Ukraine. That doesn’t mean that they regard it as the most important issue. But it’s not just the elites who favor support for Ukraine – it’s a majority of Americans, Right and Left.

    I’m all for Ukraine and I think it’s worthwhile to poke a finger in Russia’s eye without starting WWIII.  They’ll come for us someday, and I’d like them to be very reluctant about it.  But with propaganda like we get nowadays, the very grass in our lawns urges us to nuke Putin.  Not surprising that the paid-for opinion is easy to find.

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  23. Painter Jean Moderator
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):
    Why? Because we’re the people who suffer most in blood and treasure every time some elitist gets it in his skull to play with toy soldiers.

    And the people who suffer most from illegal immigration are the working class without connections or privilege to get secure white collar jobs.

    And the people who suffer most from runaway inflation are the middle and working class who don’t have intergenerational wealth as a backstop.

    And the people who suffer most from crime are people who don’t live in gated communities with 24 hour security.

    Our ruling class has no clue what the other classes are going through. They have the luxury of thinking a remote conflict between two European countries is the most important issue in the world.

    I completely agree with you that the ruling class has no idea of what life is like for the rest of us, which is why they dabble in boutique concerns like transgenderism and climate change. But as for Ukraine, the polling is pretty clear – majorities of both those who voted for Biden and those who voted for Trump support giving support to Ukraine. That doesn’t mean that they regard it as the most important issue. But it’s not just the elites who favor support for Ukraine – it’s a majority of Americans, Right and Left.

    I’m all for Ukraine and I think it’s worthwhile to poke a finger in Russia’s eye without starting WWIII. They’ll come for us someday, and I’d like them to be very reluctant about it. But with propaganda like we get nowadays, the very grass in our lawns urges us to nuke Putin. Not surprising that the paid-for opinion is easy to find.

    I haven’t heard that kind of talk from anyone. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist – in a country of 300 million, there is bound to be some people who want to see American boots on the ground there or some other kind of escalation. But I haven’t heard it. What I hear is the desire to help Ukraine by giving it the military aid it needs.

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  24. Tyrion Lannister Inactive
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    I think it is in our interest to worry about. Putin unchecked is emphatically a problem for America and not just Europe. And don’t think that China isn’t watching how the West responds to Putin…..there’s deterrence value in stopping Putin.

    There’s even more value in sitting down and negotiating. Instead, we have the likes of Lindsay Graham and Thom Tillis talking about killing Putin. We have an administration that keeps telling Zelensky not to negotiate. We have an administration will settle for nothing short of regime change in Moscow – a policy that has worked so, so well and for the benefit of Americans. When are people going to wake up that our politicians are a bunch of corrupt grifters who need things like Ukraine going on in order to have payouts to their corrupt military contractors who can then kick back a percentage in campaign contributions and hire the approved lobbyists for more corrupt contracts? How many times do you have to fall for it? Meanwhile, Ukrainians get slaughtered. Before that, it was Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians. Next it will be Taiwanese.

    Don’t give up though. Hopefully, there will be a wave of anti-war Republicans winning primaries like JD Vance. The big donor neocons should be told to take a hike. They aren’t needed or wanted.

    This is a complete misread of the situation.  Deterrence works, but we didn’t have deterrence, we had Neville Biden doing everything he could to hand Ukraine over to Russia prior to the invasion.  Russia could leave Ukraine tomorrow and negotiate peace terms, but it won’t because it’s not interested in peace.  You can’t offer them anything aside from giving them nearly half of Ukraine, which is precisely what they want and are going to take by force regardless of our objections.  

    Graham perhaps shouldn’t be saying the quiet part out loud, but we absolutely should be thrilled if Putin were to die.   No, Zelensky shouldn’t be negotiating anything short of Russia’s complete withdrawal, surrender, and tribute/compensation.  Halting Russian aggression is 100% in America-first’s interest.  

    Instead of slandering all politicians you disagree with as corrupt grifters, maybe you should consider that perhaps a more likely explanation is that they don’t like countries invading other countries, and that doesn’t make them a bad guy?  Generally, being opposed to aggressive invasions makes someone one of the good guys.  

    Then you complain about Ukrainians getting slaughtered.  Maybe you should be raging against the actual aggressors and enablers of violence- Russia and Putin- instead of politicians attempting to stop it?  Again, Russia could stop the fighting today, but they won’t, because negotiating peace won’t get them half the country like they want. 

    We need fewer isolationists and more people with a spine in this country.  You don’t stop the bully by negotiating how much of your lunch to surrender

     

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

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    Locke On (View Comment):

    Pragmatically, Ukraine gets $40 billion because it has substantial support from both parties. The border doesn’t get $4 billion because the Dims will do nothing to stop the flood of aliens into our country, no matter how the Pubs vote. If that doesn’t change next January, then yes they deserve condemnation.

    We had the house and the pubs did nothing.

    Why should it be different next time?

    Still, I definitely think you and others who share your mindset should start a third party.

    Nope. I want yours.

    Ha!

    But that’s a lot of people we’re going to have to remove from office.

    As with nearly everything, it’s actually not that big a task. Marginal effects. It doesn’t take an actual Moslem majority to chill freedoms — see Britain. It doesn’t take replacement of all the bad Republicans to change the party. We just need to wound enough of them that the rest get the new religion.

    It’s revealing that you use the word “wound”, instead of, say, “persuade”. Good luck building a party that has appeal to a broad range of voters when that’s your tactic.

    You speak as if this is Day One. How do you think I intend to persuade numbers? By wounding individuals. POLITICALLY of course, in case you refuse to get that point as well.

    Needing to politically “wound” politicians who don’t see everything as you do tells me that you don’t have an argument that persuades a majority of voters on your side. You’re the mirror image of the loud progressives on the other side of the aisle, who are loud, threatening, and who are willing to scare Democrat pols into doing their bidding, no matter how unpopular their policies may actually be. It’s easier to wound than to persuade, so I see the appeal for you.

    Save it for the duck pond. You know, the one at the university where the philosophy and English majors debate how to change world. They all go on to manage restaurants, washing dishes when they can’t “persuade” the workforce.

    If only they all went on to become restaurant managers and dish washers. They’d probably regain the common sense they lost by attending college. Unfortunately too many of them stay at the university and pass on the idiocy to the next crop of students.

    Victor Davis Hanson has talked about this. The other thing they do is, they become some sort of apparatchik in the leftist system.  NGOs, politics, teaching, etc. They may not make a lot of money, but they like the job. Another ratchet that makes everything move left.

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    Chris Williamson (View Comment):

    Both Republicans and Democrats have latched onto Modern Monetary Theory. If you print the currency, you can spend all you want, as long as inflation stays low. If inflation does rise, then the answer is to….

    This isn’t that far off. I’ve talked about this over and over. Around 2004 is the point of no return. 

    People have all of this idealistic crap in their heads about what the GOP was or is. Forget about it.

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  27. RufusRJones Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Steve Deace makes a funny comment in his tweet – that he had almost forgotten Ben Sasse is a US Senator.

    That is how a majority of them seem to me – forgotten. Apart from approving judges, what in the world do Senators do in this day other than go on TV and talk (nonsense). Yes. I know. They do stuff. But man, they just seem useless.

    And yes, let’s build the wall along our southern border. Let Europe fund Ukraine.

    Sasse is terrible in this sense. He doesn’t even know how to defend his own books, which is basically all he does. 

     

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    I wonder if the Congressional vote on the 39.7 billion dollar aid package for Ukraine will be as lopsided as the vote on the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend Lease Act, which passed the US Senate unanimously and passed the US House by a vote of 417 to 10.

    6 percent of Americans have confidence in Putin to do the right thing in world affairs.

    72 percent of Americans have confidence in Zelensky to do the right thing in world affairs.

    So, is this a case of both Democrat and Republican politicians following the polls?

    They are following the inclinations of their voters as expressed in the polls, yes.

    Let’s hear it for populism!

    Populism is not a dirty word. But hey, if you’re against populism, you must be pro-oligarchy.

    Which is definitely the vibe I get from you.

    Populism is an issue for actual reasons. Whoever is against populism needs to be able to explain that, and I don’t see it very much.

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  29. RufusRJones Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    I am  certainly one who has not been happy with Republicans spending money anymore than I’m happy with the Democrats spending money. That they don’t do what we here want them to do, though, might be that the voters who put them in office really don’t mind lots of government spending, even if they disagree with Democrats as to where it should be spent. Entitlement reform, for example, gets nowhere because the voters do not reward – and in some cases, they punish – those who call for it.

    http://financialrepressionauthority.com/2017/07/26/the-roundtable-insight-george-bragues-on-how-the-financial-markets-are-influenced-by-politics/

     

     

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    It would be helpful if you would address principles instead of personalities.

    It would be helpful if you could say something original about public policy.

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