Republicans Don’t Give a Damn About Americans

 

REPORT: The House could vote as soon as Tuesday night on a $40 billion package of military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

Trump wanted $4 billion for his Wall and the GOP couldn’t come up with it. The GOP has had massive power time and time again over the last 40 years and hasn’t secured our border. But they can get behind giving 10 times that amount to a country it isn’t in our interest to worry about.

Why don’t conservatives move as swiftly to stop the endless fentanyl killing Americans? The child molesters destroying our children? How about the murderers and gang members infesting our streets and terrorizing our communities? The GOP will win and they’ll do nothing to stop any of it but fundraise and beg for the White House. A curse on both parties. They’re all trash.

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  1. BDB Coolidge
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    Anyway, we’ve had this tiresome argument for a decade here.  

    I like Glen’s post.  

    • #91
  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    Re: “Wounding” and “Persuading.”

    Reagan famously said that someone who agreed with him 80% of the time was his 80% ally, not his 20% enemy.  Reagan pushed tax cuts through a Democrat House, while winning the Cold War without firing a shot.

    Reagan won with a smile on his face, not a snarl.

    W. is the last Republican to win a majority of the popular vote in 2004. I can’t remember him taking out Republicans in primaries.

    We can win again.  American needs us to win again.  If American wants anger, Elizabeth Warren and AOC are happy to dish that out.  What we need are governors who ran their states well, balanced budgets, and kept a smile on their faces.  The most popular Republican Governors are in MA, MD, NH, and VT.  They are likely too moderate for most Ricochetti, but they are one heck of a lot better than any Democrats.  But how about the Republican Governor of NE?  Any other Governors?  Trump is pissed at the Republican Governors of AZ and GA, but he loved them before the 2020 election.

    • #92
  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Now that this post is on the Main Feed, here he is…

    • #93
  4. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    Well I disagree with where you’re going, Gary, but it’s good to see you.  

    • #94
  5. HeavyWater Reagan
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Re: “Wounding” and “Persuading.”

    Reagan famously said that someone who agreed with him 80% of the time was his 80% ally, not his 20% enemy. Reagan pushed tax cuts through a Democrat House, while winning the Cold War without firing a shot.

    Reagan won with a smile on his face, not a snarl.

    W. is the last Republican to win a majority of the popular vote in 2004. I can’t remember him taking out Republicans in the primary.

    We can win again. American needs us to win again. If American wants anger, Elizabeth Warren and AOC are happy to dish that out. What we need are governors who ran their states well, balanced budgets, and kept a smile on their faces. The most popular Republican Governors are in MA, MD, NH, and VT. They are likely too moderate for most Ricochetti, but they are one heck of a lot better than any Democrats. But how about the Republican Governor of NE? Any other Governors? Trump is pissed at the Republican Governors of AZ and GA, but he loved them before the 2020 election.

    These people are asking Republican lawmakers to go against the views of a huge majority of their own voters who are pro-Zelensky and anti-Putin.  

    • #95
  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    I think it is in our interest to worry about. Putin unchecked is emphatically a problem for America and not just Europe. And don’t think that China isn’t watching how the West responds to Putin…..there’s deterrence value in stopping Putin.

    Fine, okay. Then how about doing both – $36 billion for Ukraine and $4 billion for border control?

    Or even better, how about not simply dropping billions of dollars of weaponry for the Taliban to pick up and use, and maybe sliding all that over to Ukraine? Then we could use the savings to stop our country from being invaded.

    Is it possible to do two things at once?

    I don’t disagree with you. I would like our southern border to be taken seriously, and I think the withdrawal from Afghanistan was atrocious, the leaving of our equipment being just one outrage.

    I think we can do two things at once, but not with this mediocrity in the Oval Office.

    Part of Glen’s point is that even when Republicans are in control, they don’t seem capable of – or at least interested in- doing much if any better than the current mediocrity in the Oval Office.

    I am certainly one who has not been happy with Republicans spending money anymore than I’m happy with the Democrats spending money. That they don’t do what we here want them to do, though, might be that the voters who put them in office really don’t mind lots of government spending, even if they disagree with Democrats as to where it should be spent. Entitlement reform, for example, gets nowhere because the voters do not reward – and in some cases, they punish – those who call for it. Also, within the GOP there are different factions, and politicians are going to react to the voters in their area, which may have different views and different strengths of particular factions than the GOP in another area. So you have a few choices if you’re not happy: try to throw everyone out of the party who doesn’t see things your way, as is advocated by some here on this thread; or persuade as many as possible as to the value of your position and accept that not everyone has to share your position exactly in order to be a valuable ally in the fight against the Left.

    Then you get enough “Republicans” who each disagree on enough specific issues, that the united left can push through everything they want.  Because no matter what it is, SOME “Republicans” will be okay with it.

    And the Dims can do that even if they don’t have a numerical majority/”control.”

    • #96
  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Re: “Wounding” and “Persuading.”

    Reagan famously said that someone who agreed with him 80% of the time was his 80% ally, not his 20% enemy. Reagan pushed tax cuts through a Democrat House, while winning the Cold War without firing a shot.

    Reagan won with a smile on his face, not a snarl.

    W. is the last Republican to win a majority of the popular vote in 2004. I can’t remember him taking out Republicans in primaries.

    We can win again. American needs us to win again. If American wants anger, Elizabeth Warren and AOC are happy to dish that out. What we need are governors who ran their states well, balanced budgets, and kept a smile on their faces. The most popular Republican Governors are in MA, MD, NH, and VT. They are likely too moderate for most Ricochetti, but they are one heck of a lot better than any Democrats. But how about the Republican Governor of NE? Any other Governors? Trump is pissed at the Republican Governors of AZ and GA, but he loved them before the 2020 election.

    You don’t know what time it is.

    • #97
  8. BDB Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Re: “Wounding” and “Persuading.”

    Reagan famously said that someone who agreed with him 80% of the time was his 80% ally, not his 20% enemy. Reagan pushed tax cuts through a Democrat House, while winning the Cold War without firing a shot.

    Reagan won with a smile on his face, not a snarl.

    W. is the last Republican to win a majority of the popular vote in 2004. I can’t remember him taking out Republicans in primaries.

    We can win again. American needs us to win again. If American wants anger, Elizabeth Warren and AOC are happy to dish that out. What we need are governors who ran their states well, balanced budgets, and kept a smile on their faces. The most popular Republican Governors are in MA, MD, NH, and VT. They are likely too moderate for most Ricochetti, but they are one heck of a lot better than any Democrats. But how about the Republican Governor of NE? Any other Governors? Trump is pissed at the Republican Governors of AZ and GA, but he loved them before the 2020 election.

    You don’t know what time it is.

    Why, it’s Day One, of course.  

    • #98
  9. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Now that this post is on the Main Feed, here he is…

    Since Sunday, I have been caring for my 91 year old mother who does not cell phone access.  

    It would be helpful if you would address principles instead of personalities.

    • #99
  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Now that this post is on the Main Feed, here he is…

    Since Sunday, I have been caring for my 91 year old mother who does not cell phone access.

    It would be helpful if you would address principles instead of personalities.

    Like you did with Trump?

    Also, you’ve specifically stated, more than once, that you wait to comment on posts until they reach the Main Feed.

    • #100
  11. Hoyacon Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Anyway, we’ve had this tiresome argument for a decade here.

    I like Glen’s post.

    It would be boring if we agreed on everything.

    These are the moments when I wonder if I’m a party of one.  I assume many have that feeling.

    • #101
  12. Painter Jean Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Re: “Wounding” and “Persuading.”

    Reagan famously said that someone who agreed with him 80% of the time was his 80% ally, not his 20% enemy. Reagan pushed tax cuts through a Democrat House, while winning the Cold War without firing a shot.

    Reagan won with a smile on his face, not a snarl.

    W. is the last Republican to win a majority of the popular vote in 2004. I can’t remember him taking out Republicans in the primary.

    We can win again. American needs us to win again. If American wants anger, Elizabeth Warren and AOC are happy to dish that out. What we need are governors who ran their states well, balanced budgets, and kept a smile on their faces. The most popular Republican Governors are in MA, MD, NH, and VT. They are likely too moderate for most Ricochetti, but they are one heck of a lot better than any Democrats. But how about the Republican Governor of NE? Any other Governors? Trump is pissed at the Republican Governors of AZ and GA, but he loved them before the 2020 election.

    These people are asking Republican lawmakers to go against the views of a huge majority of their own voters who are pro-Zelensky and anti-Putin.

    Thank you! Yes, the anti-Zelensky, anti-helping Ukraine position is a minority position. Why would you expect any politician to follow a fringe position if they’re trying to reflect the concerns of the majority of their supporters?

    • #102
  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Now that this post is on the Main Feed, here he is…

    Since Sunday, I have been caring for my 91 year old mother who does not cell phone access.

    It would be helpful if you would address principles instead of personalities.

    Like you did with Trump?

    Also, you’ve specifically stated, more than once, that you wait to comment on posts until they reach the Main Feed

    True that.  But I ask you, was there a tone of snark in your Comment #93 filed a minute after my Comment #92?

    • #103
  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Now that this post is on the Main Feed, here he is…

    Since Sunday, I have been caring for my 91 year old mother who does not cell phone access.

    It would be helpful if you would address principles instead of personalities.

    Like you did with Trump?

    Also, you’ve specifically stated, more than once, that you wait to comment on posts until they reach the Main Feed

    True that. But I ask you, was there a tone of snark in your Comment #93 filed a minute after my Comment #92?

    When it comes to you, always.

    • #104
  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Now that this post is on the Main Feed, here he is…

    Since Sunday, I have been caring for my 91 year old mother who does not cell phone access.

    It would be helpful if you would address principles instead of personalities.

    Like you did with Trump?

    Also, you’ve specifically stated, more than once, that you wait to comment on posts until they reach the Main Feed

    True that. But I ask you, was there a tone of snark in your Comment #93 filed a minute after my Comment #92?

    When it comes to you, always.

    Does that serve you?  Does that serve Ricochet?  For better or worse, like Donald Trump, I am a counter-puncher.  Wouldn’t have been more constructive to avoid punching at a known counter-puncher when you disagree with his past positions, but what he has just said is inoffensive?  Does a food fight serve Ricochet?

    • #105
  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Now that this post is on the Main Feed, here he is…

    Since Sunday, I have been caring for my 91 year old mother who does not cell phone access.

    It would be helpful if you would address principles instead of personalities.

    Like you did with Trump?

    Also, you’ve specifically stated, more than once, that you wait to comment on posts until they reach the Main Feed

    True that. But I ask you, was there a tone of snark in your Comment #93 filed a minute after my Comment #92?

    When it comes to you, always.

    Does that serve you? Does that serve Ricochet? For better or worse, like Donald Trump, I am a counter-puncher. Wouldn’t have been more constructive to avoid punching at a known counter-puncher when you disagree with his past positions, but what he has just said is inoffensive? Does a food fight serve Ricochet?

    It serves Ricochet in the sense that it helps inform new members that you are not to be taken seriously.

    • #106
  17. BDB Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Now that this post is on the Main Feed, here he is…

    Since Sunday, I have been caring for my 91 year old mother who does not cell phone access.

    It would be helpful if you would address principles instead of personalities.

    Like you did with Trump?

    Also, you’ve specifically stated, more than once, that you wait to comment on posts until they reach the Main Feed.

    Put a sock in it, even if you have to find Dime to do it.  

    • #107
  18. BDB Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Now that this post is on the Main Feed, here he is…

    Since Sunday, I have been caring for my 91 year old mother who does not cell phone access.

    It would be helpful if you would address principles instead of personalities.

    I hope your mother is well, and if not, I hope that she is at peace.  You have my support, Gary.  

    • #108
  19. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Mitch McConnell says everyone agrees the Ukraine war is the most important thing in the world right now. 

    Spoken like a member of the elite ruling class unaffected by inflation, illegal immigration, crime, or public schools indoctrinating children into hate and perversity.

    • #109
  20. Hoyacon Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Mitch McConnell says everyone agrees the Ukraine war is the most important thing in the world right now.

    Spoken like a member of the elite ruling class unaffected by inflation, illegal immigration, crime, or public schools indoctrinating children into hate and perversity.

    True that.  We’ll subtract it from blocking the Ginsburg nomination.  Are we ahead or behind after Alito’s opinion?

    • #110
  21. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    @VtheK

    kedavis (View Comment):
    The Pubs didn’t push for border security even when they had the majority.

    This is a fact. Not only this, but they actively undermined and sabotaged Trump’s border initiatives. 

    • #111
  22. Hoyacon Member
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    @Hoyacon

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    The Pubs didn’t push for border security even when they had the majority.

    This is a fact. Not only this, but they actively undermined and sabotaged Trump’s border initiatives.

    Just for the record, the “Pubs” never had the ability to pass anything through the Senate that was not modestly bi-partisan. As for the rest, I dunno.

    • #112
  23. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    @VtheK

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    What we need are governors who ran their states well, balanced budgets, and kept a smile on their faces.

    Anyone who can smile and not be angry about what’s going on in the country is an out-of-touch privileged elitist without a single gawdam clue what the middle class is going through. 

    • #113
  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Now that this post is on the Main Feed, here he is…

    Since Sunday, I have been caring for my 91 year old mother who does not cell phone access.

    It would be helpful if you would address principles instead of personalities.

    Like you did with Trump?

    Also, you’ve specifically stated, more than once, that you wait to comment on posts until they reach the Main Feed

    True that. But I ask you, was there a tone of snark in your Comment #93 filed a minute after my Comment #92?

    When it comes to you, always.

    Does that serve you? Does that serve Ricochet? For better or worse, like Donald Trump, I am a counter-puncher. Wouldn’t have been more constructive to avoid punching at a known counter-puncher when you disagree with his past positions, but what he has just said is inoffensive? Does a food fight serve Ricochet?

    And yet, you don’t realize when you’re being counter-punched.

    • #114
  25. BDB Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    The Pubs didn’t push for border security even when they had the majority.

    This is a fact. Not only this, but they actively undermined and sabotaged Trump’s border initiatives.

    Just for the record, the “Pubs” never had the ability to pass anything through the Senate that was not modestly bi-partisan. As for the rest, I dunno.

    This goes to Glen’s point.  If not for worthless, faithless Republicans in our seats, we WOULD have had the ability.  
    I am grateful for things  like blocking Garland, but that is becoming increasingly distant. 

    • #115
  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    The Pubs didn’t push for border security even when they had the majority.

    This is a fact. Not only this, but they actively undermined and sabotaged Trump’s border initiatives.

    Just for the record, the “Pubs” never had the ability to pass anything through the Senate that was not modestly bi-partisan. As for the rest, I dunno.

    This goes to Glen’s point. If not for worthless, faithless Republicans in our seats, we WOULD have had the ability.
    I am grateful for things like blocking Garland, but that is becoming increasingly distant.

    And that “blocking” didn’t last for long, he’s just in another position now to cause havoc.

    • #116
  27. HeavyWater Reagan
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    The Pubs didn’t push for border security even when they had the majority.

    This is a fact. Not only this, but they actively undermined and sabotaged Trump’s border initiatives.

    Just for the record, the “Pubs” never had the ability to pass anything through the Senate that was not modestly bi-partisan. As for the rest, I dunno.

    This goes to Glen’s point. If not for worthless, faithless Republicans in our seats, we WOULD have had the ability.
    I am grateful for things like blocking Garland, but that is becoming increasingly distant.

    So, are you saying we need to get rid of the 60 vote requirement in the Senate for ending debate on legislation?  That way no bipartisan agreement would be necessary to pass legislation.  

    • #117
  28. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Mitch McConnell says everyone agrees the Ukraine war is the most important thing in the world right now.

    Spoken like a member of the elite ruling class unaffected by inflation, illegal immigration, crime, or public schools indoctrinating children into hate and perversity.

    There were polls taken at the start of this war that showed that the richer people were, the more likely they were to support U.S. involvement in Ukraine. There was a clear demographic divide. The people who were most against it were the working classes.

    Why? Because we’re the people who suffer most in blood and treasure every time some elitist gets it in his skull to play with toy soldiers. 

    • #118
  29. Hoyacon Member
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    @Hoyacon

    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    The Pubs didn’t push for border security even when they had the majority.

    This is a fact. Not only this, but they actively undermined and sabotaged Trump’s border initiatives.

    Just for the record, the “Pubs” never had the ability to pass anything through the Senate that was not modestly bi-partisan. As for the rest, I dunno.

    This goes to Glen’s point. If not for worthless, faithless Republicans in our seats, we WOULD have had the ability.
    I am grateful for things like blocking Garland, but that is becoming increasingly distant.

    This is why Glen’s “point” is off base, aside from the hyperbole.  Worthless faithless Republicans, as annoying as they are, never counted for the votes necessary to override a filibuster.

    And I disagree, in the wake of the Alito draft, that blocking Ginsburg was in any way distant.  In fact, you could argue that it’s a really big plus for Cocaine Mitch.

    • #119
  30. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The most popular Republican Governors are in MA, MD, NH, and VT.  

    None of these guys would win their home state in a presidential election. 

    • #120
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