Republicans Don’t Give a Damn About Americans

 

REPORT: The House could vote as soon as Tuesday night on a $40 billion package of military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

Trump wanted $4 billion for his Wall and the GOP couldn’t come up with it. The GOP has had massive power time and time again over the last 40 years and hasn’t secured our border. But they can get behind giving 10 times that amount to a country it isn’t in our interest to worry about.

Why don’t conservatives move as swiftly to stop the endless fentanyl killing Americans? The child molesters destroying our children? How about the murderers and gang members infesting our streets and terrorizing our communities? The GOP will win and they’ll do nothing to stop any of it but fundraise and beg for the White House. A curse on both parties. They’re all trash.

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  1. Bishop Wash Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    Your apparent satisfaction with the status quo or at least dissatisfaction with those of us furious about it is at odds with the idea that change is supposed to come from us.

    Jean voted for the pResident in Chief, so we should definitely give her a hard time.

    I did not. I voted for Trump, and even had his sign on my lawn. Stop with your lies.

    My apologies. I was wrong. I know you couldn’t stand him.

    Thank you for your apology!

    I liked many of his policies (energy in particular), but you’re right, I didn’t like him. If he is the candidate in 2024, I will vote for him but to be honest I’d prefer someone else. And can’t we as Americans nominate people who aren’t so aged?!

    That used to be the Democrats, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama. Then they started running Hillary, Bernie, Warren, Biden, etc.

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  2. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    There are lots of Congress critters that predate 2016 and even the Tea Party. They have seniority and are from a “Republican Party” that existed under George W. Bush. McCarthy was elected in 2007. So they have seniority and the power of incumbency. In short, while frustrating to many, change in the party is possible (JD Vance?) but will simply not happen all that fast

    So what you’re saying is… get rid of our senior members.

    I don’t think we need term limits as much as upper age limits the same way we have lower age limits. Forced retirement once they hit 75.

    I don;t mean term limits. I mean primarying the dead weight or supporting opposition in select cases.

    The GOP is still smarting from Trump’s primary win. They’re going to make sure that never happens again. Primaries will be tightly controlled to make sure the octogenarians remain in power.

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Your apparent satisfaction with the status quo or at least dissatisfaction with those of us furious about it is at odds with the idea that change is supposed to come from us.

    Jean voted for the pResident in Chief, so we should definitely give her a hard time.

    I did not. I voted for Trump, and even had his sign on my lawn. Stop with your lies.

    My apologies. I was wrong. I know you couldn’t stand him.

    Thank you for your apology!

    I liked many of his policies (energy in particular), but you’re right, I didn’t like him. If he is the candidate in 2024, I will vote for him but to be honest I’d prefer someone else. And can’t we as Americans nominate people who aren’t so aged?!

    That used to be the Democrats, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama. Then they started running Hillary, Bernie, Warren, Biden, etc.

    To be fair, while the GOP does have some old people who need to be routed, the average age of a GOP congressman is about 20 years younger than the average age of a Democrat congressman.

    The DNC is the party of old folks.

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  4. Painter Jean Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    There are lots of Congress critters that predate 2016 and even the Tea Party. They have seniority and are from a “Republican Party” that existed under George W. Bush. McCarthy was elected in 2007. So they have seniority and the power of incumbency. In short, while frustrating to many, change in the party is possible (JD Vance?) but will simply not happen all that fast

    So what you’re saying is… get rid of our senior members.

    I don’t think we need term limits as much as upper age limits the same way we have lower age limits. Forced retirement once they hit 75.

    I don;t mean term limits. I mean primarying the dead weight or supporting opposition in select cases.

    The GOP is still smarting from Trump’s primary win. They’re going to make sure that never happens again. Primaries will be tightly controlled to make sure the octogenarians remain in power.

    I doubt that. The last primary I attended was full of Trump supporters (not surprising given the rural nature of my county). Primaries still are run by those who show up.

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  5. BDB Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    There are lots of Congress critters that predate 2016 and even the Tea Party. They have seniority and are from a “Republican Party” that existed under George W. Bush. McCarthy was elected in 2007. So they have seniority and the power of incumbency. In short, while frustrating to many, change in the party is possible (JD Vance?) but will simply not happen all that fast

    So what you’re saying is… get rid of our senior members.

    I don’t think we need term limits as much as upper age limits the same way we have lower age limits. Forced retirement once they hit 75.

    I don;t mean term limits. I mean primarying the dead weight or supporting opposition in select cases.

    The GOP is still smarting from Trump’s primary win. They’re going to make sure that never happens again. Primaries will be tightly controlled to make sure the octogenarians remain in power.

    Sure, but then term limits are even less likely.

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    The GOP is still smarting from Trump’s primary win. They’re going to make sure that never happens again. Primaries will be tightly controlled to make sure the octogenarians remain in power.

    I doubt that. The last primary I attended was full of Trump supporters (not surprising given the rural nature of my county). Primaries still are run by those who show up.

    Not if the old guard is kicking challengers off the ballots.

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  7. Painter Jean Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Your apparent satisfaction with the status quo or at least dissatisfaction with those of us furious about it is at odds with the idea that change is supposed to come from us.

    Jean voted for the pResident in Chief, so we should definitely give her a hard time.

    I did not. I voted for Trump, and even had his sign on my lawn. Stop with your lies.

    My apologies. I was wrong. I know you couldn’t stand him.

    Thank you for your apology!

    I liked many of his policies (energy in particular), but you’re right, I didn’t like him. If he is the candidate in 2024, I will vote for him but to be honest I’d prefer someone else. And can’t we as Americans nominate people who aren’t so aged?!

    That used to be the Democrats, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama. Then they started running Hillary, Bernie, Warren, Biden, etc.

    To be fair, while the GOP does have some old people who need to be routed, the average age of a GOP congressman is about 20 years younger than the average age of a Democrat congressman.

    The DNC is the party of old folks.

    I don’t disagree, but still, when it comes to the office of President, I think both parties need to factor age into it and not nominate people who will be serving in their eighties. The job is more demanding than most 80-year-olds are able to handle. 

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  8. Hang On Member
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  9. Chris Williamson Member
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    Both Republicans and Democrats have latched onto Modern Monetary Theory. If you print the currency, you can spend all you want, as long as inflation stays low. If inflation does rise, then the answer is to….

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  10. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    I think it is in our interest to worry about. Putin unchecked is emphatically a problem for America and not just Europe. And don’t think that China isn’t watching how the West responds to Putin…..there’s deterrence value in stopping Putin.

    As opposed to the value of having security on our own border?

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  11. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Hang On (View Comment):
    There’s even more value in sitting down and negotiating. Instead, we have the likes of Lindsay Graham and Thom Tillis talking about killing Putin. We have an administration that keeps telling Zelensky not to negotiate. We have an administration will settle for nothing short of regime change in Moscow

    Russia is a brilliant distraction while the political class continues to sell us out to China.

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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    I think it is in our interest to worry about. Putin unchecked is emphatically a problem for America and not just Europe. And don’t think that China isn’t watching how the West responds to Putin…..there’s deterrence value in stopping Putin.

    As opposed to the value of having security on our own border?

    Not only are we not securing our own borders, we’re sending our military equipment to Ukraine, with no plan to replace it, so should Russia get expansionist on our doorstep, we’ll already have a weakened military of our own.

    And I don’t think Ukraine will come to our aid.

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  13. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Steve Deace makes a funny comment in his tweet – that he had almost forgotten Ben Sasse is a US Senator.

    That is how a majority of them seem to me – forgotten. Apart from approving judges, what in the world do Senators do in this day other than go on TV and talk (nonsense). Yes. I know. They do stuff. But man, they just seem useless.

    And yes, let’s build the wall along our southern border. Let Europe fund Ukraine.

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  14. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Ukraine really seems like it should be a European problem, but heaven forfend Germany or the other NATO countries cough up more than 1.5% of GDP on Defense.

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  15. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Sasse is just a preening pony. Get rid of him. Any Republican who is not “America First” needs to be shown the door. These people are supposed to be working for us, not bowing down to Zelenskyy and meeting his every demand.

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  16. Hoyacon Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

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    The basic issue is that seniority pretty much rules in Congress. The emergence of America first/populism/whatever-you want-to-call-it may have started with Pat Buchanan, but it did not get a real foothold until the Tea Party, and did not emerge as a force until the 2016 election.

    There are lots of Congress critters that predate 2016 and even the Tea Party. They have seniority and are from a “Republican Party” that existed under George W. Bush. McCarthy was elected in 2007. So they have seniority and the power of incumbency. In short, while frustrating to many, change in the party is possible (JD Vance?) but will simply not happen all that fast

    So what you’re saying is… get rid of our senior members.

    Well, I’m a senior myself, at least by the calendar.  So I would not advocate that.  But there is a choice for those who want to change the direction of the party in Congress.  It’s a pretty safe bet that if you’re talking GOPe, you’re talking mostly about people who have been there for at least 10-12 years.  So primary them, something that’s happening in dribs and drabs.  You may or may not hold the seat.

    In a district near mine, Tea Partier Dave Bratt beat GOPe-er Eric Cantor in a primary–a win for a challenger.  Bratt won the general election twice, but then lost a formerly very safe Republican seat to a Democrat.

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  17. Painter Jean Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    I think it is in our interest to worry about. Putin unchecked is emphatically a problem for America and not just Europe. And don’t think that China isn’t watching how the West responds to Putin…..there’s deterrence value in stopping Putin.

    As opposed to the value of having security on our own border?

    Not opposed to at all. In addition to.

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  18. Painter Jean Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Sasse is just a preening pony. Get rid of him. Any Republican who is not “America First” needs to be shown the door. These people are supposed to be working for us, not bowing down to Zelenskyy and meeting his every demand.

    More coalition-building, I see…..throwing out people who are mostly on your side is a fine way to hand victory to the Left. 

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  19. BDB Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    Sasse is just a preening pony. Get rid of him. Any Republican who is not “America First” needs to be shown the door. These people are supposed to be working for us, not bowing down to Zelenskyy and meeting his every demand.

    More coalition-building, I see…..throwing out people who are mostly on your side is a fine way to hand victory to the Left.

    “Sometimes you have to kill a chicken in front of the monkeys.”

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  20. HeavyWater Reagan
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    I wonder if the Congressional vote on the 39.7 billion dollar aid package for Ukraine will be as lopsided as the vote on the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend Lease Act, which passed the US Senate unanimously and passed the US House by a vote of 417 to 10.  

    6 percent of Americans have confidence in Putin to do the right thing in world affairs. 

    72 percent of Americans have confidence in Zelensky to do the right thing in world affairs.   

    So, is this a case of both Democrat and Republican politicians following the polls?  

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  21. Painter Jean Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Sasse is just a preening pony. Get rid of him. Any Republican who is not “America First” needs to be shown the door. These people are supposed to be working for us, not bowing down to Zelenskyy and meeting his every demand.

    More coalition-building, I see…..throwing out people who are mostly on your side is a fine way to hand victory to the Left.

    “Sometimes you have to kill a chicken in front of the monkeys.”

    Which is fine as long as you don’t mind losing voters.

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  22. Painter Jean Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    I wonder if the Congressional vote on the 39.7 billion dollar aid package for Ukraine will be as lopsided as the vote on the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend Lease Act, which passed the US Senate unanimously and passed the US House by a vote of 417 to 10.

    6 percent of Americans have confidence in Putin to do the right thing in world affairs.

    72 percent of Americans have confidence in Zelensky to do the right thing in world affairs.

    So, is this a case of both Democrat and Republican politicians following the polls?

    They are following the inclinations of their voters as expressed in the polls, yes.

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    I think it is in our interest to worry about. Putin unchecked is emphatically a problem for America and not just Europe. And don’t think that China isn’t watching how the West responds to Putin…..there’s deterrence value in stopping Putin.

    Fine, okay. Then how about doing both – $36 billion for Ukraine and $4 billion for border control?

    Or even better, how about not simply dropping billions of dollars of weaponry for the Taliban to pick up and use, and maybe sliding all that over to Ukraine? Then we could use the savings to stop our country from being invaded.

    Is it possible to do two things at once?

    I don’t disagree with you. I would like our southern border to be taken seriously, and I think the withdrawal from Afghanistan was atrocious, the leaving of our equipment being just one outrage.

    I think we can do two things at once, but not with this mediocrity in the Oval Office.

    Part of Glen’s point is that even when Republicans are in control, they don’t seem capable of – or at least interested in- doing much if any better than the current mediocrity in the Oval Office.

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    Pragmatically, Ukraine gets $40 billion because it has substantial support from both parties. The border doesn’t get $4 billion because the Dims will do nothing to stop the flood of aliens into our country, no matter how the Pubs vote. If that doesn’t change next January, then yes they deserve condemnation.

    The Pubs didn’t push for border security even when they had the majority.

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  25. HeavyWater Reagan
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    I wonder if the Congressional vote on the 39.7 billion dollar aid package for Ukraine will be as lopsided as the vote on the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend Lease Act, which passed the US Senate unanimously and passed the US House by a vote of 417 to 10.

    6 percent of Americans have confidence in Putin to do the right thing in world affairs.

    72 percent of Americans have confidence in Zelensky to do the right thing in world affairs.

    So, is this a case of both Democrat and Republican politicians following the polls?

    They are following the inclinations of their voters as expressed in the polls, yes.

    Let’s hear it for populism!

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

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    Pragmatically, Ukraine gets $40 billion because it has substantial support from both parties. The border doesn’t get $4 billion because the Dims will do nothing to stop the flood of aliens into our country, no matter how the Pubs vote. If that doesn’t change next January, then yes they deserve condemnation.

    We had the house and the pubs did nothing.

    Why should it be different next time?

    Still, I definitely think you and others who share your mindset should start a third party.

    Nope. I want yours.

    Ha!

    But that’s a lot of people we’re going to have to remove from office.

    As with nearly everything, it’s actually not that big a task. Marginal effects. It doesn’t take an actual Moslem majority to chill freedoms — see Britain. It doesn’t take replacement of all the bad Republicans to change the party. We just need to wound enough of them that the rest get the new religion.

    It’s revealing that you use the word “wound”, instead of, say, “persuade”. Good luck building a party that has appeal to a broad range of voters when that’s your tactic.

    Perhaps BDB is thinking of the Republicans who, pretending to be on our side, are in reality on the side of the big donors who profit from open borders, corrupt contracts, and so on: Perhaps he figures that they cannot be persuaded to change their minds because that’s not where they see the profit.

    Maybe they were persuaded to run as Republicans and then made false claims, so now they need to be wounded for not following through?

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    But supposedly she’s a nut job.

    Even a nut job can speak the truth at times

    Seems like she speaks the truth a lot more than many “Republicans,” and way more than the left does.

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  28. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    Sasse is just a preening pony. Get rid of him. Any Republican who is not “America First” needs to be shown the door. These people are supposed to be working for us, not bowing down to Zelenskyy and meeting his every demand.

    More coalition-building, I see…..throwing out people who are mostly on your side is a fine way to hand victory to the Left.

    It’s clear now they’re not on my side.

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

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    I wonder if the Congressional vote on the 39.7 billion dollar aid package for Ukraine will be as lopsided as the vote on the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend Lease Act, which passed the US Senate unanimously and passed the US House by a vote of 417 to 10.

    6 percent of Americans have confidence in Putin to do the right thing in world affairs.

    72 percent of Americans have confidence in Zelensky to do the right thing in world affairs.

    So, is this a case of both Democrat and Republican politicians following the polls?

    They are following the inclinations of their voters as expressed in the polls, yes.

    Let’s hear it for populism!

    Populism is not a dirty word. But hey, if you’re against populism, you must be pro-oligarchy.

    Which is definitely the vibe I get from you.

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  30. Painter Jean Member
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    I think it is in our interest to worry about. Putin unchecked is emphatically a problem for America and not just Europe. And don’t think that China isn’t watching how the West responds to Putin…..there’s deterrence value in stopping Putin.

    Fine, okay. Then how about doing both – $36 billion for Ukraine and $4 billion for border control?

    Or even better, how about not simply dropping billions of dollars of weaponry for the Taliban to pick up and use, and maybe sliding all that over to Ukraine? Then we could use the savings to stop our country from being invaded.

    Is it possible to do two things at once?

    I don’t disagree with you. I would like our southern border to be taken seriously, and I think the withdrawal from Afghanistan was atrocious, the leaving of our equipment being just one outrage.

    I think we can do two things at once, but not with this mediocrity in the Oval Office.

    Part of Glen’s point is that even when Republicans are in control, they don’t seem capable of – or at least interested in- doing much if any better than the current mediocrity in the Oval Office.

    I am  certainly one who has not been happy with Republicans spending money anymore than I’m happy with the Democrats spending money. That they don’t do what we here want them to do, though, might be that the voters who put them in office really don’t mind lots of government spending, even if they disagree with Democrats as to where it should be spent. Entitlement reform, for example, gets nowhere because the voters do not reward – and in some cases, they punish – those who call for it. Also, within the GOP there are different factions, and politicians are going to react to the voters in their area, which may have different views and different strengths of particular factions than the GOP in another area. So you have a few choices if you’re not happy: try to throw everyone out of the party who doesn’t see things your way, as is advocated by some here on this thread; or persuade as many as possible as to the value of your position and accept that not everyone has to share your position exactly in order to be a valuable ally in the fight against the Left.

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