Republicans Don’t Give a Damn About Americans

 

REPORT: The House could vote as soon as Tuesday night on a $40 billion package of military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

Trump wanted $4 billion for his Wall and the GOP couldn’t come up with it. The GOP has had massive power time and time again over the last 40 years and hasn’t secured our border. But they can get behind giving 10 times that amount to a country it isn’t in our interest to worry about.

Why don’t conservatives move as swiftly to stop the endless fentanyl killing Americans? The child molesters destroying our children? How about the murderers and gang members infesting our streets and terrorizing our communities? The GOP will win and they’ll do nothing to stop any of it but fundraise and beg for the White House. A curse on both parties. They’re all trash.

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  1. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    No, that isn’t my argument. Border control might make a difference, but I’m skeptical it would make a long-term change because of the incentives to get drugs through no matter what. Skeptical it won’t help is not the same as being sure it won’t.
    Border control would be desirable even if it had no long-term affect on drugs.

    it would have some effect and it wouldn’t be negligible. It would still continue. But reducing the traffic frees up resources to pursue what remains. Taking steps to limit don’t need to be perfect. Sometimes, my spaghetti falls through the colander and down the drain. It still catches more than what would happen if I tried to drain without the colander.

    And I am glad we agree that this isn’t the only reason to secure the border. Just like most things, having multiple reasons for a policy can motivate different people to your position. It’s good to have this argument in the toolbox even if it might not be the most urgent reason for me personally.

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  2. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    I’m sure you’re right as it devastates lives and families and has ripple effects. I just don’t see how our incompetent and bloated government is able to do anything about it. There are plenty of good reasons to secure the border, and you can add the interruption of drugs to that list, but this administration isn’t going to do it (and as I’ve said before, I think the cartels will just find new ways). I think churches can help, but I doubt the government can.

    This is just nonsense. It’s absurdly wide-open because they are doing administrative tasks instead of enforcing the law. The cartels rush the border with asylum-seekers and then they send the drugs and the terrorists in to other parts of the border. 

    ***It has quadrupled since 2019.*** We can go back to better border policy

    Fentanyl causes extra complications for all law-enforcement and everything related even if you don’t give a damn about people that want to fool around with hard drugs. Furthermore, it’s laced into things that people think or something else. 

    You are the one using the term “anything”. That is not accurate. Just need to go back to the Trump policies and more. The flow can obviously be reduced and constricted. 

     

     

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  3. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    All of this stuff is on Fox News and if you listen to you enough talk radio they interview border control guys all the time. 

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  4. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Stina (View Comment):

    No, that isn’t my argument. Border control might make a difference, but I’m skeptical it would make a long-term change because of the incentives to get drugs through no matter what. Skeptical it won’t help is not the same as being sure it won’t.
    Border control would be desirable even if it had no long-term affect on drugs.

    it would have some effect and it wouldn’t be negligible. It would still continue. But reducing the traffic frees up resources to pursue what remains. Taking steps to limit don’t need to be perfect. Sometimes, my spaghetti falls through the colander and down the drain. It still catches more than what would happen if I tried to drain without the colander.

    And I am glad we agree that this isn’t the only reason to secure the border. Just like most things, having multiple reasons for a policy can motivate different people to your position. It’s good to have this argument in the toolbox even if it might not be the most urgent reason for me personally.

    This is exactly right. I watch all the reports on Fox News and I listen to as many interviews of border control guys as I can. 

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  5. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    This is right at the beginning. There’s no reason to not listen to this. Tom Homan. Retired border control executive. I took some notes.

    This is how you reduce the flow by 80%. 80%. Per Tom Homan. 

    1. They are abusing the asylum rhetoric they use at the border. Change it to the judicial rhetoric. The cartels teach them how to lie. 90% get let in, and 94% that go to court get rejected. 
    2. You use the same family / children ejection standard for Central Americans as you do Mexican

    3. If families are entitled to go through the judicial system you hold them until they go through it. You don’t just let them into the country.

    Some sectors he reports, that 70% of border control is doing administrative tasks. What do you think the cartels do with that? 700,000 got-a-ways since Biden got in the office: pure criminals. 

    The other thing he says is, the Biden administration is only trying to process people quicker which just makes people want to get over the border more. They give them tickets to wherever they want to go. They need to slow that down. The cartels literally use this as a pitch.

    ICE has the lowest number of removals in history. From policy changes. It’s literally off-limits for them to hunt people they used to go after. Another incentive. They are releasing people that they have been space for that has already been paid. They have slowed down the discretion that ICE officers can use to make judgments about who they should.

     

     

     

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  6. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Representative John Katko of New York was just on Martha McCallum. 

    He says that they are taking the money they are making off of trafficking and plowing it into “fentanyl infrastructure”. 

    He also said that, just like I told you, we shut it down via the mail from China. 

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  7. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    kedavis (View Comment):

    One thing I’ll never understand is how people who claim they can’t afford to buy food etc, somehow manage to buy fentanyl etc at black-market prices.

    You should assume that some youth got an ecstacy tab or Adderal tab for $5 at a party that was counterfeit and laced with fentanyl. 

    As for addicts, they say opioid addiction is strong than hunger.  Try going without food for 48 hours and then think about what you would sell or do to get a sandwich. 

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  8. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):
    You should assume that some youth got an ecstacy tab or Adderal tab for $5 at a party that was counterfeit and laced with fentanyl. 

    That’s just one of the extra complications from this (redacted). It’s more like an unintended poisoning most of the time. One of the guys that is on Fox always emphasizes that. That’s the primary problem. 

     

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):
    As for addicts, they say opioid addiction is strong than hunger.  Try going without food for 48 hours and then think about what you would sell or do to get a sandwich. 

     

     

     

     

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  9. Concretevol Thatcher
    Concretevol
    @Concretevol

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Accusing people of being progressives because they are hesitant to fund another endless war is so Boomercon I just can’t even.

     

    I was saying it is a progressive’s style of thinking, not accusing anyone of being a progressive.  

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  10. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Accusing people of being progressives because they are hesitant to fund another endless war is so Boomercon I just can’t even.

     

    I was saying it is a progressive’s style of thinking, not accusing anyone of being a progressive.

    It isn’t though. You claiming it is doesn’t make it so.

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  11. Concretevol Thatcher
    Concretevol
    @Concretevol

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    There are many issues I care about.

    But the struggles facing the working class are not among them.

    The Proletariat must be protected from the evil Bourgeoisie! 

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  12. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    There are many issues I care about.

    But the struggles facing the working class are not among them.

    The Proletariat must be protected from the evil Bourgeoisie!

    I’m sorry it hurts that history repeats itself when people fall into the same idiotic patterns. Do you believe the people exist for the government or the government exists for the people?

    AND do you think our government is currently working for its own people?

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    There are many issues I care about.

    But the struggles facing the working class are not among them.

    The Proletariat must be protected from the evil Bourgeoisie!

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  14. Randy Weivoda Moderator
    Randy Weivoda
    @RandyWeivoda

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Even during prohibition people were able to obtain alcohol.  So, relying on the government to save you from your own decisions is always going to fail.  

    People know how harmful cigarettes are.  But a substantial number of people smoke cigarettes anyway.  

    No amount of big government is going to stop people from pursuing the pleasures associated with alcohol, drugs and tobacco.  

    Yes, but if we could shut down the illegal importation of foreign-made fentanyl, at least junkies would be using good old American-made methamphetamines.  But seriously, we cannot even keep hard drugs out of maximum security prisons.  It’s a pretty optimistic to think that if only we had the right leadership in DC, we could keep them out of the entire country.  Many Americans love to get high, dangers be damned. 

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Even during prohibition people were able to obtain alcohol. So, relying on the government to save you from your own decisions is always going to fail.

    People know how harmful cigarettes are. But a substantial number of people smoke cigarettes anyway.

    No amount of big government is going to stop people from pursuing the pleasures associated with alcohol, drugs and tobacco.

    Yes, but if we could shut down the illegal importation of foreign-made fentanyl, at least junkies would be using good old American-made methamphetamines. But seriously, we cannot even keep hard drugs out of maximum security prisons. It’s a pretty optimistic to think that if only we had the right leadership in DC, we could keep them out of the entire country. Many Americans love to get high, dangers be damned.

    Indeed.  The best we may be able to do overall, is to minimize how much damage they do on the way down.

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  16. Randy Weivoda Moderator
    Randy Weivoda
    @RandyWeivoda

    There’s been some very interesting debate in this thread, but a few of you are throwing in some insults that are really unwarranted.  Keep it classy, Ricochet.  We can debate without the personal insults.

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  17. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Even during prohibition people were able to obtain alcohol. So, relying on the government to save you from your own decisions is always going to fail.

    People know how harmful cigarettes are. But a substantial number of people smoke cigarettes anyway.

    No amount of big government is going to stop people from pursuing the pleasures associated with alcohol, drugs and tobacco.

    Yes, but if we could shut down the illegal importation of foreign-made fentanyl, at least junkies would be using good old American-made methamphetamines. But seriously, we cannot even keep hard drugs out of maximum security prisons. It’s a pretty optimistic to think that if only we had the right leadership in DC, we could keep them out of the entire country. Many Americans love to get high, dangers be damned.

    I watch all of this very closely. The way to think about it is fentanyl has multiple extra complications for law-enforcement, social services, geopolitics, the control of the cartels, and the people unintentionally taking it. 

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