The Pole Was Right

 

Monday was Victory in Europe Day. At a Remembrance Celebration, the Russian ambassador came to visit Warsaw and lay flowers at the remembrance memorial. Protestors against the invasion of Ukraine were there and threw red paint on him.

Today on Twitter I engaged with several ignorant bigoted Russian apologists who were outraged by Polish people who dared throw paint on the ambassador. Don’t these stupid Poles understand that millions of Russians died fighting to save them? How ungrateful of these Poles for daring this!

If a woman is raped by a Doctor, but that doctor later saves her life. Well, should that woman should be grateful? She could have died.  These people would say, “What is she complaining about? He saved your life, you ungrateful trollop!”

Poland should just ignore fact that these same Russians/Soviets conspired with the Nazis to divide and conquer their country. That tens of thousands of Polish soldiers were massacred at Katyn. That the Warsaw Uprising happened, and the Polish Home army was exterminated by the Nazis and the Gestapo while the Red Army stood by and watched a few miles away. That the Russians occupied the country for decades and propped up a corrupt and evil government.

No, the Pole was right. Throw that paint on them. If the Russians had any sense, they would not have shown up to that monument in the first place. And my fellow Poles are right to be angry.

Never forget, forgive and always remember.

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  1. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    Thumbs-up emoji. The Z-bots were out in full force, with their curious arguments: you can’t criticize Russia for its actions in Poland, because they suffered later when it all went south. 

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Russians are not known for their good manners.

     

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  3. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    Criticizing is one thing. Being a crass peasant is another. Why Americans want to put themselves in the middle of these blood feuds is beyond me. Especially when one of them is armed to the teeth with nukes. Pointlessly damaging someone’s pride when they are trying to show respect is beyond stupid.

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  4. Doug Watt Moderator
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    Russia didn’t liberate Poland, they occupied Poland. The Russian Ambassador would have been smarter to celebrate May 9 within the Russian Embassy compound. There are over a million displaced Ukrainians in Poland and the Polish government should make it very clear to the Ambassador that they cannot guarantee his safety when he leaves the Russian embassy.

    One wonders if the Russian Ambassador ever apologized to the Polish government for the Russian Katyn Forest massacres, or the massacres that took place in other parts of Poland. Then there is the Soviet agreement with Nazi Germany to divide Poland which merits an apology.      

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  5. Painter Jean Member
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Russia didn’t liberate Poland, they occupied Poland. The Russian Ambassador would have been smarter to celebrate May 9 within the Russian Embassy compound. There are over a million displaced Ukrainians in Poland and the Polish government should make it very clear to the Ambassador that they cannot guarantee his safety when he leaves the Russian embassy.

    One wonders if the Russian Ambassador ever apologized to the Polish government for the Russian Katyn Forest massacres, or the massacres that took place in other parts of Poland. Then there is the Soviet agreement with Nazi Germany to divide Poland which merits an apology.

    Amen, Doug – thank you!

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  6. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Criticizing is one thing. Being a crass peasant is another. Why Americans want to put themselves in the middle of these blood feuds is beyond me. Especially when one of them is armed to the teeth with nukes. Pointlessly damaging someone’s pride when they are trying to show respect is beyond stupid.

    Poles put themselves in the middle of our blood feuds.  

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  7. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    ToryWarWriter: If the Russians had any sense, they would not have shown up to that monument in the first place.

    It’s known as provocation.   Putin’s people do it a lot, which is why his propagandists accuse others of provocation.

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  8. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    The Warsaw Uprising occurred on August 1, 1944 just as the Soviet Lublin–Brest Offensive was reaching the eastern outskirts of town. The web-footed swine Stalin not only offered no support to the Poles, he prevented Great Britain and the U.S. of doing so either. They essentially gave the Germans free rein to crush the Resistance. After all, anyone gutsy enough to rise up against occupying Nazis might one day do so against occupying Reds.

    The Poles owe the Russians nothing.

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  9. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
    Postmodern Hoplite
    @PostmodernHoplite

    Granted, maybe the “throwing paint” stunt was crass, and failed to properly respect the individual human dignity of the Russian ambassador. But it sure as heck was effective as a means of getting the Polish message out! It was the color image on page A6 of today’s Wall Street Journal that caught my eye, and led me to read the article.

    Which led me to two conclusions: first, the Russian ambassador was a real blockhead for thinking he’d be welcome at such a public event. And, two: the dumba** is lucky it was only paint…

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  10. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    He deserves more than paint. He should be run out of thr nation.

    • #10
  11. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    https://summit.news/2022/05/10/sky-news-interview-cut-short-after-mention-of-zelensky-posting-soldier-with-ss-insignia/

    • #11
  12. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    Hang On (View Comment):

    https://summit.news/2022/05/10/sky-news-interview-cut-short-after-mention-of-zelensky-posting-soldier-with-ss-insignia/

    I bet you can be sure there are no neonazis in the Russian forces, not a single one:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-fighter-neo-nazi-symbols-medal-kill-ukraine-nationalist-2022-4?amp

    not to mention the Wagner Group mercenaries:

    https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/the-times-putin-has-sent-mercenaries-to-kyiv-led-by-an-admirer-of-the-nazis-to-murder-zelenskyy-and-the-klitschko-brothers

    on second thought, hold that bet… facts are so darn stubborn…..

    • #12
  13. Steve Fast Coolidge
    Steve Fast
    @SteveFast

    Q – If Germany and Russia invade Poland simultaneously, whom do you fight first?

    A – Germany. Business before pleasure.

    • #13
  14. Steve Fast Coolidge
    Steve Fast
    @SteveFast

    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving person.

    • #14
  15. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    https://summit.news/2022/05/10/sky-news-interview-cut-short-after-mention-of-zelensky-posting-soldier-with-ss-insignia/

    I bet you can be sure there are no neonazis in the Russian forces, not a single one:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-fighter-neo-nazi-symbols-medal-kill-ukraine-nationalist-2022-4?amp

    not to mention the Wagner Group mercenaries:

    https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/the-times-putin-has-sent-mercenaries-to-kyiv-led-by-an-admirer-of-the-nazis-to-murder-zelenskyy-and-the-klitschko-brothers

    on second thought, hold that bet… facts are so darn stubborn…..

    Dumbass Ukrainians make a national hero of someone sending Jews and Poles to the German death camps. 

    • #15
  16. lowtech redneck Coolidge
    lowtech redneck
    @lowtech redneck

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    https://summit.news/2022/05/10/sky-news-interview-cut-short-after-mention-of-zelensky-posting-soldier-with-ss-insignia/

    I bet you can be sure there are no neonazis in the Russian forces, not a single one:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-fighter-neo-nazi-symbols-medal-kill-ukraine-nationalist-2022-4?amp

    not to mention the Wagner Group mercenaries:

    https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/the-times-putin-has-sent-mercenaries-to-kyiv-led-by-an-admirer-of-the-nazis-to-murder-zelenskyy-and-the-klitschko-brothers

    on second thought, hold that bet… facts are so darn stubborn…..

    Dumbass Ukrainians make a national hero of someone sending Jews and Poles to the German death camps.

    Specifically a very small number of them who are tolerated by other Ukrainians because they are facing an existential threat from Russia.

    • #16
  17. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    The Poles owe the Russians nothing. It’s quite the opposite. I’m not sure the same can’t be said for the United States and Ukraine. It is, however, in the American DNA to stand up to bullies and help the downtrodden. If only I hadn’t been lied to for the past six years by nearly every major media outlet and 75% of my government on every major political point…well then, maybe, I’d believe what they are telling me now.

    • #17
  18. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    https://summit.news/2022/05/10/sky-news-interview-cut-short-after-mention-of-zelensky-posting-soldier-with-ss-insignia/

    I bet you can be sure there are no neonazis in the Russian forces, not a single one:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-fighter-neo-nazi-symbols-medal-kill-ukraine-nationalist-2022-4?amp

    not to mention the Wagner Group mercenaries:

    https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/the-times-putin-has-sent-mercenaries-to-kyiv-led-by-an-admirer-of-the-nazis-to-murder-zelenskyy-and-the-klitschko-brothers

    on second thought, hold that bet… facts are so darn stubborn…..

    Dumbass Ukrainians make a national hero of someone sending Jews and Poles to the German death camps.

    Specifically a very small number of them who are tolerated by other Ukrainians because they are facing an existential threat from Russia.

    The Bolsheviks were also a tiny minority yet ruled things.

    • #18
  19. Seawriter Contributor
    Seawriter
    @Seawriter

    Percival (View Comment):
    The web-footed cloven-hoofed swine Stalin 

    Fixed it for you.

     

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  20. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    The web-footed cloven-hoofed swine Stalin

    Fixed it for you.

     

    Ol’ Joe was born with webbed toes. He was sensitive about it too.

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  21. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    This is my anti-Russian post.  Lets keep it on topic of hating Russians.  

    Though I get people, Im descended from Eastern Europeans.  We hate a lot of people and hate by the moment.  I got a thousand years worth of gripes against Russia.  They are lucky I dont bring up the Treaty of Vienna!

    • #21
  22. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Russia didn’t liberate Poland, they occupied Poland. The Russian Ambassador would have been smarter to celebrate May 9 within the Russian Embassy compound. There are over a million displaced Ukrainians in Poland and the Polish government should make it very clear to the Ambassador that they cannot guarantee his safety when he leaves the Russian embassy.

    One wonders if the Russian Ambassador ever apologized to the Polish government for the Russian Katyn Forest massacres, or the massacres that took place in other parts of Poland. Then there is the Soviet agreement with Nazi Germany to divide Poland which merits an apology.

    Poland had about 38 people million at the end of 2021, and right now they have 2.9 million displaced Ukrainians.  Right now I am willing to cut Poland one heck of a lot of slack.

    • #22
  23. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Russia didn’t liberate Poland, they occupied Poland. The Russian Ambassador would have been smarter to celebrate May 9 within the Russian Embassy compound. There are over a million displaced Ukrainians in Poland and the Polish government should make it very clear to the Ambassador that they cannot guarantee his safety when he leaves the Russian embassy.

    One wonders if the Russian Ambassador ever apologized to the Polish government for the Russian Katyn Forest massacres, or the massacres that took place in other parts of Poland. Then there is the Soviet agreement with Nazi Germany to divide Poland which merits an apology.

    Poland had about 38 people million at the end of 2021, and right now they have 2.9 million displaced Ukrainians. Right now I am willing to cut Poland one heck of a lot of slack.

    Hell has frozen over and there is a bluebird on my shoulder.  Gary has commented in one of my threads and both myself and Bryan G. Stephens liked it!

    We all need to buy lottery tickets!

    • #23
  24. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    This is my anti-Russian post. Lets keep it on topic of hating Russians.

    Though I get people, Im descended from Eastern Europeans. We hate a lot of people and hate by the moment. I got a thousand years worth of gripes against Russia. They are lucky I dont bring up the Treaty of Vienna!

    But why not Germans? Why not Hungarians? Why not Austrians? Why not Turks? Why not Turks? Don’t you get tired of hating? I really don’t understand it.

    For me it should be French, but I see no reason to hate the French. It’s useless.

    • #24
  25. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
    ToryWarWriter
    @ToryWarWriter

    Hang On (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    This is my anti-Russian post. Lets keep it on topic of hating Russians.

    Though I get people, Im descended from Eastern Europeans. We hate a lot of people and hate by the moment. I got a thousand years worth of gripes against Russia. They are lucky I dont bring up the Treaty of Vienna!

    But why not Germans? Why not Hungarians? Why not Austrians? Why not Turks? Why not Turks? Don’t you get tired of hating? I really don’t understand it.

    For me it should be French, but I see no reason to hate the French. It’s useless.

    Because I am doing anti Russian thing today.  Stand firm for future episodes where I hate on other things.  Got to learn to pace your hate.  I have a whole review of Terminator Dark Fate which I had for 2 hours.  

    • #25
  26. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Hang On (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    This is my anti-Russian post. Lets keep it on topic of hating Russians.

    Though I get people, Im descended from Eastern Europeans. We hate a lot of people and hate by the moment. I got a thousand years worth of gripes against Russia. They are lucky I dont bring up the Treaty of Vienna!

    But why not Germans? Why not Hungarians? Why not Austrians? Why not Turks? Why not Turks? Don’t you get tired of hating? I really don’t understand it.

    For me it should be French, but I see no reason to hate the French. It’s useless.

    Instead of hating all the French, how about if we concentrate on just David French?

    • #26
  27. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Russia didn’t liberate Poland, they occupied Poland. The Russian Ambassador would have been smarter to celebrate May 9 within the Russian Embassy compound. There are over a million displaced Ukrainians in Poland and the Polish government should make it very clear to the Ambassador that they cannot guarantee his safety when he leaves the Russian embassy.

    One wonders if the Russian Ambassador ever apologized to the Polish government for the Russian Katyn Forest massacres, or the massacres that took place in other parts of Poland. Then there is the Soviet agreement with Nazi Germany to divide Poland which merits an apology.

    Poland had about 38 people million at the end of 2021, and right now they have 2.9 million displaced Ukrainians. Right now I am willing to cut Poland one heck of a lot of slack.

    There are other reasons for tipping one’s hat to Poland, too.

    • #27
  28. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Russia didn’t liberate Poland, they occupied Poland. The Russian Ambassador would have been smarter to celebrate May 9 within the Russian Embassy compound. There are over a million displaced Ukrainians in Poland and the Polish government should make it very clear to the Ambassador that they cannot guarantee his safety when he leaves the Russian embassy.

    One wonders if the Russian Ambassador ever apologized to the Polish government for the Russian Katyn Forest massacres, or the massacres that took place in other parts of Poland. Then there is the Soviet agreement with Nazi Germany to divide Poland which merits an apology.

    Poland had about 38 people million at the end of 2021, and right now they have 2.9 million displaced Ukrainians. Right now I am willing to cut Poland one heck of a lot of slack.

    There are other reasons for tipping one’s hat to Poland, too.

    Like taking a bite out of Czechoslovakia when Nazi Germany moved in?

    • #28
  29. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Russia didn’t liberate Poland, they occupied Poland. The Russian Ambassador would have been smarter to celebrate May 9 within the Russian Embassy compound. There are over a million displaced Ukrainians in Poland and the Polish government should make it very clear to the Ambassador that they cannot guarantee his safety when he leaves the Russian embassy.

    One wonders if the Russian Ambassador ever apologized to the Polish government for the Russian Katyn Forest massacres, or the massacres that took place in other parts of Poland. Then there is the Soviet agreement with Nazi Germany to divide Poland which merits an apology.

    Poland had about 38 people million at the end of 2021, and right now they have 2.9 million displaced Ukrainians. Right now I am willing to cut Poland one heck of a lot of slack.

    There are other reasons for tipping one’s hat to Poland, too.

    Like taking a bite out of Czechoslovakia when Nazi Germany moved in?

    Now you’re just being a jerk. Would you like to rethink that comment?

    How about saluting Eastern European nations for opposing EU overreach?

    • #29
  30. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    https://summit.news/2022/05/10/sky-news-interview-cut-short-after-mention-of-zelensky-posting-soldier-with-ss-insignia/

    I bet you can be sure there are no neonazis in the Russian forces, not a single one:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-fighter-neo-nazi-symbols-medal-kill-ukraine-nationalist-2022-4?amp

    not to mention the Wagner Group mercenaries:

    https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/the-times-putin-has-sent-mercenaries-to-kyiv-led-by-an-admirer-of-the-nazis-to-murder-zelenskyy-and-the-klitschko-brothers

    on second thought, hold that bet… facts are so darn stubborn…..

    Dumbass Ukrainians make a national hero of someone sending Jews and Poles to the German death camps.

    Specifically a very small number of them who are tolerated by other Ukrainians because they are facing an existential threat from Russia.

    The same Russians who hire neonazies to attack Ukraine…like the Wagner Group

    • #30
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