Abortion Math

 

Apropos of Dr. B’s question about public views on abortion, which are now all over the net, I tend to trust Powerline’s Gallup thread. So, two-to-one, the public is ok with abortion bans for the first trimester. In line with Roe. Then it shifts, about two-to-one against for the second trimester, the gray area the Supreme Court has wrestled with for 50 years; then four-to-one against third trimester abortions. I did not see a separate line for “partial birth” abortion but assume at least 90% of folks would say no.

So, other than Catholics like me who were taught at age seven from the Baltimore catechism that life begins at conception (probably most of the one-third against) most people have no problem with the original Roe ruling. And no state has yet to ban all abortions. Texas and my Okies set the deadline at 15 weeks.  Since 15 weeks is past the first trimester (I assume 39 weeks pregnancy, trimester a third, so 13 weeks) no extinguishment of a “constitutional” right by any state so far. Doubt there will be any.

So states will set different standards. Imagine that. Hard to see this as a political lightning rod for the Dems. But I am in California, so just wondering how much of our tax money Newsom will give to five-month pregnant gals to vacation in what may become the abortion capital of the universe.

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  1. Henry Racette Member
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    Your comment matches my “lived experience” (as we progressive types like to call it). I don’t know how many people in favor of overturning Roe (I’m one of those) believe that it will somehow outlaw abortion. A whole lot of pro-Roe folk seem to believe that.

    A lot of folks on the left believe things that common sense and evidence suggest are not true, from climate catastrophism to systemic racism to gender fluidity to the viability of alternative energy to the grim prospect of a theocratic America.

    It must be a confusing and frightening place, deep down in the progressive mind.

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  2. navyjag Coolidge
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    Conception. Too much early port. 

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  3. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    navyjag (View Comment):

    Conception. Too much early port.

    Many people on R are exceptions.

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  4. Jager Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Your comment matches my “lived experience” (as we progressive types like to call it). I don’t know how many people in favor of overturning Roe (I’m one of those) believe that it will somehow outlaw abortion. A whole lot of pro-Roe folk seem to believe that.

    A lot of folks on the left believe things that common sense and evidence suggest are not true, from climate catastrophism to systemic racism to gender fluidity to the viability of alternative energy to the grim prospect of a theocratic America.

    It must be a confusing and frightening place, deep down in the progressive mind.

    Yeah this is the discussion I have had with younger women in my office. Most in their 20s and don’t understand what any of this means. (They trust me to give a balanced answer)

    When I tell them that over turning Rowe does not automatically make abortion illegal and that nothing would change in our state, these left of center young women stop caring about the whole issue.  They will pay attention again if the State Legislature starts trying to ban all abortions. (They all are OK with restrictions like no late term abortions)

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  5. Saint Augustine Member
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    navyjag: So, other than Catholics like me who were taught at age 7 from the Baltimore catechism that life begins at exception (probably most of the 1/3 against)  most people have no problem with the original Roe ruling.

    Probably a plurality, but not most. You have many Reformation allies. And some atheists.

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  6. kedavis Member
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    navyjag: So 2-1 the public ok with abortion bans for the first trimester.  In line with Roe.

    You probably don’t mean to include “bans” there although many of us hope it were so.

    And it hasn’t been “promoted” yet so you can still edit.

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  7. kedavis Member
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    If overturning Roe gets some people to stay in places like the People’s Republic of California, rather than taking their lefty votes to places like Tennessee where they might fear they can’t kill babies, maybe that’s a good thing.

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  8. Zafar Member
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    I don’t know how accurate these are, but they are heavy on the ‘life of the mother in danger’ with some ‘rape and incest’ exceptions. They don’t much mention trimesters:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/03/us/state-abortion-trigger-laws-roe-v-wade-overturned/index.html

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2021-12-10/the-states-likely-to-ban-abortion-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned

    https://time.com/6173196/abortion-trigger-laws-bans-roe-v-wade/

    So are you sure there won’t be much change for most women seeking abortion?  Most of these don’t involve danger to the life of the mother, rape or incest.

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  9. RightAngles Member
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    They’re just trying to gin up hysteria for the midterms. There are plenty of women who are one-issue voters, and this is the issue.  Too many of them don’t remember how it was before Roe. If it was illegal in your state, you just went to another one where it was legal. The part that kills me about this is the way they’re all howling that “It won’t end there! Soon they’ll ban it everywhere! And then they’ll make us wear long red dresses and little hats like it The Handmaid’s Tale!”   It’s funny how the Slippery Slope suddenly isn’t a fallacy anymore when it’s your ox being gored.

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  10. Henry Racette Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    They’re just trying to gin up hysteria for the midterms. There are plenty of women who are one-issue voters, and this is the issue. Too many of them don’t remember how it was before Roe. If it was illegal in your state, you just went to another one where it was legal. The part that kills me about this is the way they’re all howling that “It won’t end there! Soon they’ll ban it everywhere! And then they’ll make us wear long red dresses and little hats like it The Handmaid’s Tale!” It’s funny how the Slippery Slope suddenly isn’t a fallacy anymore when it’s your ox being gored.

    In this case, the slippery slope goes decidedly up-hill. It’s taken 50 years to bring a serious challenge to one of the most incompetent and divisive Supreme Court decisions in history. It’s hard to see momentum building for, say race-segregated public spaces.

    Oh, wait. That particular artifact of our sinful past is on the way back, thanks to our friends on the left. Go figure.

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  11. Doug Watt Moderator
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    navyjag (View Comment):

    Conception. Too much early port.

    I edited out exception and corrected it to conception.

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  12. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    I live in a large wealthy very liberal city in a red state.  Will my city give out vouchers for all expense paid trips to Abortionland in California?   I expect it will happen by the end of the year.

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  13. navyjag Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    I live in a large wealthy very liberal city in a red state. Will my city give out vouchers for all expense paid trips to Abortionland in California? I expect it will happen by the end of the year.

    If not sooner.  Gov. French Laundry now thinks this is a winning political issue in California. Wonder what the Hispanic voters here think.  Got our ballots in the mail today. As much as I was pressuring the wife to check the dunk Boudin recall and skip everything else she wanted to look at rest of the looney tunes propositions on the ballot.  Hope Shellenberger is the Republican nominee. He might have a chance given the absurd homeless situations in SF and LA. 

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  14. danys Thatcher
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    navyjag (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    I live in a large wealthy very liberal city in a red state. Will my city give out vouchers for all expense paid trips to Abortionland in California? I expect it will happen by the end of the year.

    If not sooner. Gov. French Laundry now thinks this is a winning political issue in California. Wonder what the Hispanic voters here think. Got our ballots in the mail today. As much as I was pressuring the wife to check the dunk Boudin recall and skip everything else she wanted to look at rest of the looney tunes propositions on the ballot. Hope Shellenberger is the Republican nominee. He might have a chance given the absurd homeless situations in SF and LA.

    Shellenberger is running as No Party so Preference. Anyone can vote for him in the primary.

     Did you ready Mariana B. Dawson’t pithy candidate for governor’s statement? 

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  15. navyjag Coolidge
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    danys (View Comment):

    navyjag (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    I live in a large wealthy very liberal city in a red state. Will my city give out vouchers for all expense paid trips to Abortionland in California? I expect it will happen by the end of the year.

    If not sooner. Gov. French Laundry now thinks this is a winning political issue in California. Wonder what the Hispanic voters here think. Got our ballots in the mail today. As much as I was pressuring the wife to check the dunk Boudin recall and skip everything else she wanted to look at rest of the looney tunes propositions on the ballot. Hope Shellenberger is the Republican nominee. He might have a chance given the absurd homeless situations in SF and LA.

    Shellenberger is running as No Party so Preference. Anyone can vote for him in the primary.

    Did you ready Mariana B. Dawson’t pithy candidate for governor’s statement?

    No but will check it out.  

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