The Bulwark (Once Again) Endorses a Democrat

 

The “Reagan conservatives” at The Bulwark really hate Ohio Republican senate nominee JD Vance.  (“Trump’s Hillbilly” — they literally called him that.) So this morning, Bill Kristol and fellow Bulwark Operative Tim Miller endorsed his Democratic opponent. “If you voted for Matt Dolan, a totally inoffensive Republican in this primary and don’t want literal authoritarianism advanced by a charlatan who is at the mercy of Donald Trump’s whims go ahead a sign up to support inoffensive Democrat@TimRyan.”

Some say the end-state of Never Trump is becoming a full-on Democrat. I would argue these guys were closet Democrats all along.

Like Glenn Youngkin, Vance is too “Trumpian” for the bull-workers,  too aligned to those grubby working-class folk who are upset about irrelevant issues like children being exposed to pornography in public schools, the unchecked import and distribution of deadly narcotics across our wide-open southern border,  the mass export of American manufacturing jobs to China, and the replacement of American workers with cheap foreign labor.

In fairness, JD Vance was once a harsh critic of Donald Trump. But, like most reasonable people, his opinion on Trump evolved more favorably as President Trump showed himself to be a consistent advocate and advancer of conservative policies.

Speaking of advancing conservative policies, the New York Times token “conservative” Bret Stephen — who previously pitched the not-at-all radical left idea of repealing the second amendment — now says that a true conservative would not overturn Roe v. Wade. Stephens’s argument is — I am not making this up — that even though Roe was a terrible decision, it’s now precedent and overturning it would be “disruptive” to the political status quo. It would also upset leftists and reduce the esteem of the High Court in public perception.

As conservatives, you are philosophically bound to give considerable weight to judicial precedents, particularly when they have been ratified and refined — as Roe was by the 1992 Planned Parenthood v. Casey decision — over a long period.

So, Stephens must likewise think the court erred in overturning Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson, and Korematsu v. United States for the same reason.

 Here, again, you may be tempted to think that overturning Roe is an act of judicial modesty that puts abortion disputes in the hands of legislatures. Maybe — after 30 years of division and mayhem.

Yes, Stephens is literally arguing that conservatives should not want the issue of abortion decided by elected representatives in state legislatures. Maybe Stephens views himself as merely being “prudent,” because the effects of a Roe repeal would be so wide-ranging and unpredictable. But this “principled conservative” notion that the role of conservatism is to preserve the gains of liberalism is precisely why the old Bush-Republican model is dying. And why Bret Stephens and Bill Kristol are reduced to sputtering about “populism” while collecting checks from their left-wing paymasters.

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  1. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    @ChrisCampion

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Until today, I never noticed how much Larry Hogan looks and sounds just like Elmer Fudd.

    Has anyone given him the nickname “Wattle Boy” yet?

    If not, I’ll award him his well-earned prize.

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  2. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    I’ve always said that in this era it’s very important to be able to come up with original observations about public policy. I would add you should be able to come up with original observations about the various think tanks. 

    • #62
  3. Rodin Member
    Rodin
    @Rodin

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):
    So the northern half of the state roots for a set of statues on the Hope Memorial Bridge and is stuck with a logo that looks like the third place winner in a high school design contest.

    Doesn’t it just evoke Cleveland?

    Is that “G” for “gag”?

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  4. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    Karl Rove hates JD Vance. That’s a point in his favor, but it does show the Bush Republicans have their knives out.  

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  5. Manny Coolidge
    Manny
    @Manny

    Good post.  One can conclude two possibilities for these NeverTrumpers. (1) They were never conservatives in the first place. Or (2) derangement. Any “conservative” that can still argue that Hilary would have been the better choice is really suspect in his conservative beliefs or in his mental stability. 

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    You are quoting a publication of The Claremont Institute?

    Yes. What’s wrong with the Claremont Institute? More importantly, how is that column wrong?

    Like all super-clever lawyers, he asked a question he already knew the answer to.

    Maybe he could answer it for me.

    Also, congrats to Jon Gabriel!

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Karl Rove hates JD Vance. That’s a point in his favor, but it does show the Bush Republicans have their knives out.

    Like I said above, Vance is going to have to fight Democrats and the GOPe.

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  8. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    A couple more pieces from sources Gary hates:

    J.D. Vance And The New Right Are Racking Up Wins, While The Establishment Stabs At Their Backs

    In the September 1961 issue of Young Americans for Freedom’s New Guard magazine, a young M. Stanton Evans asked, “Can a conservative be a radical?” Yes, he concluded: “Confronted with an established revolution, the conservative must seek to change the status quo; he has no other means of affirming his tradition.”

    Vance understands this. That is why, Axios’s Jonathan Swan and Lachlan Markay report, “The Republican establishment privately regards [him] with the same disgust many felt toward Donald Trump when he entered the White House on Jan. 20, 2017.”

    It’s why Senate Minority Whip John Thune looked forward to reading the coverage of Vance’s loss.

    It’s why one “senior Republican aide told The Hill 70 percent of Senate Republicans share that sentiment.”

    The reality is, they should all fear Vance. He’s a man who doesn’t “care if Google is a private company, because they have too much power; and if you want to have a country where people can live their lives freely, you have to be concerned about power — whether it’s concentrated in the government or concentrated in big corporations.”

    He thinks our corporate overlords would happily satiate us with whirling gizmos and gadgets while capturing our culture and selling us out to China. This places him directly at odds with tired, established Republicanism, which would prefer to slander the ghost of Ronald Reagan while they simp for corporations that work to undermine our national economy, our traditions, our families, and even our children’s sexuality.

    The Next Senator from Ohio: J.D. Vance

    Christopher Caldwell summarized what we can learn from Vance and Ohio well in a recent essay for the New York Times. Donald Trump spoke to Ohio, and Ohioans heard him. He understood they were angry, and why. In particular, they had been taken for granted and forgotten in the aftermath of NAFTA. The factories closed. The borders opened. Wages stagnated. Drugs proliferated. What noises they made in protest were ignored or dismissed as racist or entitled. Nobody seemed to care, except to suggest perhaps they deserved it. Then came Trump, and he gave them a voice.

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  9. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Isn’t it funny how someone who at one point started to distance from the Bulwark both cannot resist going back, and uses them as a metric for other conservative publications.

    The really funny thing is that someone who dismisses others as being in a cult of personality,uses a site where their is only one voice to attack a site with many points of view. 

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    With the economy in free fall, you might expect a huge GOP victory in November.  The problem is that we are still led by Trump, and the American People don’t want Trump either.   We shall see what happens next.  This reminds me of 2010 when we had good candidates beaten in the primaries in DE and NV.  Good luck with that.  J.D. Vance won in Ohio, let’s see if the Trump candidate wins the GA and ID governor’s races.

    Trump:  The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    Why are you crying about that? You wanted that.

    • #71
  12. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    Why are you crying about that? You wanted that.

    I contributed to the two Republican Senators in Georgia when Trump undercut them before the January 5, 2021 runoff election.  Where were you Drew?

    I want you to wake up and see where following Trump has lead us to.  What are you going to do when Brian Kemp wins his primary?  Are you going to walk away?  Are you going to support the Democrat?

    This is the type of leader that the Republican Party needs.

    • #72
  13. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    Why are you crying about that? You wanted that.

    I want you to wake up and see where following Trump has lead us to.

    This is the type of leader that the Republican Party needs.

    You had that. You spent five years opposing him and voted for “Obama with Brain Damage.”

    • #73
  14. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    Why are you crying about that? You wanted that.

    I want you to wake up and see where following Trump has lead us to.

    This is the type of leader that the Republican Party needs.

    You had that. You spent five years opposing him and voted for “Obama with Brain Damage.”

    Comparing Trump with Churchill is comparing Satan with Jesus.  Perhaps you will realize in the balance of time.

    • #74
  15. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    Tiki torches inbound; the NAMBLincoln Project is running to support Tim Ryan.

    • #75
  16. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    With the economy in free fall, you might expect a huge GOP victory in November. The problem is that we are still led by Trump, and the American People don’t want Trump either. We shall see what happens next. This reminds me of 2010 when we had good candidates beaten in the primaries in DE and NV. Good luck with that. J.D. Vance won in Ohio, let’s see if the Trump candidate wins the GA and ID governor’s races.

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    As Breitbart said, Trump is 55 — 0 in endorsements so far. That’s an indication that the voters trust his judgement. They may or may not have him #1 in their preference for president — I don’t know — but they want his policies. Bullwank and the Bushes and other fools can’t see that. Well, maybe they DO see that, actually. Why else would they be obsessed with destroying Trump?

    EDIT: From 2000 Mules, by way of TGP:

    In the movie and in recent interviews Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips revealed:

    ** Investigators used geo-tracking from cellphones to identify tens of thousands of ballot traffickers in the 2020 battleground states.
    ** The ballot traffickers identified all stopped at Democrat affiliated offices during the routes — Stacey Abrams may want to find new work.
    ** Ballot traffickers dropped more than enough ballots to steal every major swing state in the 2020 election for Democrats
    ** The NRSC was given evidence of voter fraud and did nothing.
    ** Brian Kemp led a fight against True the Vote to get to the truth.
    ** The FBI and DOJ used cellphone ‘ping’ data to identify, locate and arrest January 6 protesters but DID NOT use this same technique to identify ballot traffickers in 2020
    ** Ballot traffickers were operating in Georgia in the 2018 election — including a number of the same suspects!
    ** The ballot traffickers or mules were reportedly making from $10 to $40 per ballot dumped into the ballot boxes.
    ** Pennsylvania was the worst state they saw with 1,155 ballot traffickers identified and 5 central gathering locations
    ** Ballot traffickers crossed state lines including from New Jersey to Philadelphia

     

    • #76
  17. Jager Coolidge
    Jager
    @Jager

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    With the economy in free fall, you might expect a huge GOP victory in November. The problem is that we are still led by Trump, and the American People don’t want Trump either. We shall see what happens next. This reminds me of 2010 when we had good candidates beaten in the primaries in DE and NV. Good luck with that. J.D. Vance won in Ohio, let’s see if the Trump candidate wins the GA and ID governor’s races.

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    I just don’t see it. Trump won his election by appealing to issues that voters cared about. Regardless of how people perceive Trump’s personal behavior, those issues are still high on the list of voters priorities.  Adding in high inflation and high gas prices. 

    The average voter (not political junkies like us on this site) looks at candidates based on what the candidate believes/promises, not based on what a former President thinks. If the Republicans have the answers voters like, they will get the votes regardless of anything Trump does or doesn’t do. A former President, in a mid-term election, is basically a non-factor. 

    Sure Trump’s endorsement matters to his supporters, but Trumps biggest supporters were never gettable votes for the Democrats. The votes that are up for grabs belong to people more concerned with their own personal life then with Trump. 

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  18. CACrabtree Coolidge
    CACrabtree
    @CACrabtree

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Karl Rove hates JD Vance. That’s a point in his favor, but it does show the Bush Republicans have their knives out.

    True that.  Rove can take his white board and put it where the sun doesn’t shine.

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  19. Jager Coolidge
    Jager
    @Jager

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    Why are you crying about that? You wanted that.

    I contributed to the two Republican Senators in Georgia when Trump undercut them before the January 5, 2021 runoff election. Where were you Drew?

    I want you to wake up and see where following Trump has lead us to. What are you going to do when Brian Kemp wins his primary? Are you going to walk away? Are you going to support the Democrat?

    This is the type of leader that the Republican Party needs.

    A non-trump supported Republican Governor winning a primary in a state I do not live in will have exactly no impact on how I vote in my state. 

    I will not now nor likely ever support a Democrat. I have actual principles and strongly held personal beliefs that are in direct opposition to everything the Democrats run on and how they Govern. I will never vote to give power to people who flat out tell me they hate me. Voting for a Democrat because the Republican is less than ideal betrays everything I believe in. 

    • #79
  20. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    With the economy in free fall, you might expect a huge GOP victory in November. The problem is that we are still led by Trump, and the American People don’t want Trump either. We shall see what happens next. This reminds me of 2010 when we had good candidates beaten in the primaries in DE and NV. Good luck with that. J.D. Vance won in Ohio, let’s see if the Trump candidate wins the GA and ID governor’s races.

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    As Breitbart said, Trump is 55 — 0 in endorsements so far. That’s an indication that the voters trust his judgement. They may or may not have him #1 in their preference for president — I don’t know — but they want his policies. Bullwank and the Bushes and other fools can’t see that. Well, maybe they DO see that, actually. Why else would they be obsessed with destroying Trump?

    EDIT: From 2000 Mules, by way of TGP:

    In the movie and in recent interviews Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips revealed:

    ** Investigators used geo-tracking from cellphones to identify tens of thousands of ballot traffickers in the 2020 battleground states.
    ** The ballot traffickers identified all stopped at Democrat affiliated offices during the routes — Stacey Abrams may want to find new work.
    ** Ballot traffickers dropped more than enough ballots to steal every major swing state in the 2020 election for Democrats
    ** The NRSC was given evidence of voter fraud and did nothing.
    ** Brian Kemp led a fight against True the Vote to get to the truth.
    ** The FBI and DOJ used cellphone ‘ping’ data to identify, locate and arrest January 6 protesters but DID NOT use this same technique to identify ballot traffickers in 2020
    ** Ballot traffickers were operating in Georgia in the 2018 election — including a number of the same suspects!
    ** The ballot traffickers or mules were reportedly making from $10 to $40 per ballot dumped into the ballot boxes.
    ** Pennsylvania was the worst state they saw with 1,155 ballot traffickers identified and 5 central gathering locations
    ** Ballot traffickers crossed state lines including from New Jersey to Philadelphia\

    You sound like my 4 year old Great Niece explaining Santa Claus to me.  She is so earnest.  She is so cute.  

    The place to adjudicate such claims is in Court.  But Trump was 0-60.  

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  21. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    Why are you crying about that? You wanted that.

    I contributed to the two Republican Senators in Georgia when Trump undercut them before the January 5, 2021 runoff election. Where were you Drew?

    I want you to wake up and see where following Trump has lead us to. What are you going to do when Brian Kemp wins his primary? Are you going to walk away? Are you going to support the Democrat?

    This is the type of leader that the Republican Party needs.

    That is so funny coming from you.

    Just to clarify there’s no way you would’ve supported Churchill. I don’t believe you would have supported the founding fathers in the American revolution. To be honest getting your age I’d be astounded to discover that you actually supported Ronald Reagan from day one ans not somebody else in the primaries.

    You see the thing is you appear to be celebrating the obvious correct person after the fact. But in the modern world the best that I can tell you support those behind the status quo. Those behind the status quo back then did did not support Church Hill and in fact they despised him. The very scene that you show has the opposition cheering him while his own party sits silent. Well until they get their senior statesman who is dying of cancer to agree to support Churchill and then they all fall in line.

    Churchhill is definitely a hero in that scene. I am sad to say I think you would have been in the camp waiting to be told it was OK to support him, or worse, with Atlee.

    • #81
  22. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    Why are you crying about that? You wanted that.

    I contributed to the two Republican Senators in Georgia when Trump undercut them before the January 5, 2021 runoff election. Where were you Drew?

    I want you to wake up and see where following Trump has lead us to. What are you going to do when Brian Kemp wins his primary? Are you going to walk away? Are you going to support the Democrat?

    This is the type of leader that the Republican Party needs.

    That is so funny coming from you.

    Well, Bryan, you live in Georgia.  Who are you going to vote for in the Governor’s primary.  In the Governor’s general election?

    • #82
  23. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    With the economy in free fall, you might expect a huge GOP victory in November. The problem is that we are still led by Trump, and the American People don’t want Trump either. We shall see what happens next. This reminds me of 2010 when we had good candidates beaten in the primaries in DE and NV. Good luck with that. J.D. Vance won in Ohio, let’s see if the Trump candidate wins the GA and ID governor’s races.

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    As Breitbart said, Trump is 55 — 0 in endorsements so far. That’s an indication that the voters trust his judgement. They may or may not have him #1 in their preference for president — I don’t know — but they want his policies. Bullwank and the Bushes and other fools can’t see that. Well, maybe they DO see that, actually. Why else would they be obsessed with destroying Trump?

    EDIT: From 2000 Mules, by way of TGP:

    In the movie and in recent interviews Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips revealed:

    ** Investigators used geo-tracking from cellphones to identify tens of thousands of ballot traffickers in the 2020 battleground states.
    ** The ballot traffickers identified all stopped at Democrat affiliated offices during the routes — Stacey Abrams may want to find new work.
    ** Ballot traffickers dropped more than enough ballots to steal every major swing state in the 2020 election for Democrats
    ** The NRSC was given evidence of voter fraud and did nothing.
    ** Brian Kemp led a fight against True the Vote to get to the truth.
    ** The FBI and DOJ used cellphone ‘ping’ data to identify, locate and arrest January 6 protesters but DID NOT use this same technique to identify ballot traffickers in 2020
    ** Ballot traffickers were operating in Georgia in the 2018 election — including a number of the same suspects!
    ** The ballot traffickers or mules were reportedly making from $10 to $40 per ballot dumped into the ballot boxes.
    ** Pennsylvania was the worst state they saw with 1,155 ballot traffickers identified and 5 central gathering locations
    ** Ballot traffickers crossed state lines including from New Jersey to Philadelphia\

    You sound like my 4 year old Great Niece explaining Santa Claus to me. She is so earnest. She is so cute.

    The place to adjudicate such claims is in Court. But Trump was 0-60.

    No substantive argument then, just your usual blather. And personal attacks. What a hypocrite! Why am I not surprised?

    EDIT: BTW, it will be settled in the court of public opinion. My bet is that you’ll be on the losing side. Are you strong enough emotionally to handle that? I doubt it.

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  24. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump: The first Republican to lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency in one term since Herbert Hoover.

    Why are you crying about that? You wanted that.

    I contributed to the two Republican Senators in Georgia when Trump undercut them before the January 5, 2021 runoff election. Where were you Drew?

    I want you to wake up and see where following Trump has lead us to. What are you going to do when Brian Kemp wins his primary? Are you going to walk away? Are you going to support the Democrat?

    This is the type of leader that the Republican Party needs.

    That is so funny coming from you.

    Well, Bryan, you live in Georgia. Who are you going to vote for in the Governor’s primary. In the Governor’s general election?

     You might want to go back and see my edit  And respond to that too.

     Unlike you Gary no matter who wins the Republican primary I will vote for the Republican even if he was not the Republican I voted for in the primary.

     In fact in every presidential election I have voted in the person nominated was the last person I would have voted for in the primary. But since I want my party to win I have always helped my nose and voted for the person that won the primary justhe primary just like people like Bill Krystol called on Trump to do.

     You see Gary unlike you I want the democrats to lose. I’m not going to throw a tantrum because the person in the primary I didn’t like managed to get the nomination. I’m not going to spend money and time in resources to support somebod that is going to vote against everything I believe in.

     I fully expect a Republican governor to win and I expect that I will be voted for that Republican governor perhaps twice. While the fact that I’m a conservative and I tend to vote Republican is pretty open knowledge I am not going to weigh-in on how I’m going to vote in the primary in the primary because It turns out we have a secret ballot.

    • #84
  25. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Karl Rove hates JD Vance. That’s a point in his favor, but it does show the Bush Republicans have their knives out.

    Like I said above, Vance is going to have to fight Democrats and the GOPe.

    For Karl Rove and many other consultants and pollsters, it’s about money. Remington Research had Dolan up in their polls. Oops.

    For McConnell, it’s about continuing as the Republican leader in the Senate. Hopefully oops. 

    • #85
  26. Jager Coolidge
    Jager
    @Jager

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
     In fact in every presidential election I have voted in the person nominated was the last person I would have voted for in the primary. But since I want my party to win I have always helped my nose and voted for the person that won the primary just he primary just like people like Bill Krystol called on Trump to do.

    Yeah, not supper thrilled today or at the time when I had to vote for McCain or Romney. Frankly I feel McCain embodied much of the things people say to complain about Trump. That said I still feel either would have been better than Obama. 

    What you are describing is the historical view of elections. Fight like heck in the Primary then rally around the winner. 

    • #86
  27. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Jager (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    In fact in every presidential election I have voted in the person nominated was the last person I would have voted for in the primary. But since I want my party to win I have always helped my nose and voted for the person that won the primary just he primary just like people like Bill Krystol called on Trump to do.

    Yeah, not supper thrilled today or at the time when I had to vote for McCain or Romney. Frankly I feel McCain embodied much of the things people say to complain about Trump. That said I still feel either would have been better than Obama.

    What you are describing is the historical view of elections. Fight like heck in the Primary then rally around the winner.

    That’s what pisses me off so much about the GOPe. They lecture us about how we have to vote for the RINO squish if he wins the primary, but if they don’t get their RINO squish in the primary, they eagerly endorse and vote for the Democrat.

    • #87
  28. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    What Gary Robbins et al. cannot face is that Trump would easily beat his candidate Biden easily according to polling conducted this past week. Trump carried men by 29%, women by 12%, and Hispanics by 8%. He also topped 50% overall. Trump isn’t going away.

    • #88
  29. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik!
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Hang On (View Comment):

    What Gary Robbins et al. cannot face is that Trump would easily beat his candidate Biden easily according to polling conducted this past week. Trump carried men by 29%, women by 12%, and Hispanics by 8%. He also topped 50% overall. Trump isn’t going away.

    Trump beat him in 2020, he can beat him again!

     

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  30. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):
    Are the people at the Bulwark in on the joke? Or do they really think they’re a conservative blog?

    Personally, I think they are just grifters who were no longer able to grift the right and so switched sides to grift the left. 

    At some point they transitioned from “political grifters” to “political whores”. 

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