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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Personally, I’m not a fan of crude and debased language or, in this case, a crude and debased gesture. I probably would have reacted favorably, once upon a time.

    I’m all for civil discourse, but I’m not inclined to tone-police people who had their homes blown out from underneath them.

     

    You didn’t have your home blown out from underneath you.

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  2. Jailer Member
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    Of particular note, Russia can’t replace what was by far its most potent shore bombardment & area denial weapon in the Black Sea, because Turkey has closed the Bosphorus to military vessels. 

    Interesting thread here:

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  3. Arahant Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Personally, I’m not a fan of crude and debased language or, in this case, a crude and debased gesture. I probably would have reacted favorably, once upon a time.

    I’m all for civil discourse, but I’m not inclined to tone-police people who had their homes blown out from underneath them.

     

    You didn’t have your home blown out from underneath you.

    The Ukrainians who made the stamp did.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Personally, I’m not a fan of crude and debased language or, in this case, a crude and debased gesture. I probably would have reacted favorably, once upon a time.

    I’m all for civil discourse, but I’m not inclined to tone-police people who had their homes blown out from underneath them.

     

    You didn’t have your home blown out from underneath you.

    The Ukrainians who made the stamp did.

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  5. Flicker Coolidge
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Ukraine says it has launched a cruise-missile strike that disabled Russia’s flagship Black Sea vessel amid expectations Moscow is shifting its focus in the war to the east as fierce fighting continues to batter the port city of Mariupol, where the defenders were still holding out.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry said on April 14 that a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser caused ammunition to blow up, but Maksym Marchenko, the Ukrainian governor of the region around the Black Sea port of Odesa, said the ship had been hit by two Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles.

    Well, I guess an anti-ship missile could cause a fire if it struck a vessel.

    I’d think it would be too embarrassing to say we blew ourselves up.  But I guess not.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Ukraine says it has launched a cruise-missile strike that disabled Russia’s flagship Black Sea vessel amid expectations Moscow is shifting its focus in the war to the east as fierce fighting continues to batter the port city of Mariupol, where the defenders were still holding out.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry said on April 14 that a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser caused ammunition to blow up, but Maksym Marchenko, the Ukrainian governor of the region around the Black Sea port of Odesa, said the ship had been hit by two Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles.

    Well, I guess an anti-ship missile could cause a fire if it struck a vessel.

    I’d think it would be too embarrassing to say we blew ourselves up. But I guess not.

    Not just embarrassing, perhaps deadly, if Putin is jailing – and worse – officials who “failed him.”

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  7. MarciN Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Russia confirms the ship sunk while being towed

    the news in Moscow will be “Fires extinguished on the cruiser Moskva!”

    The real story is the “storm.” That’s not nor’easter territory. :-) :-)

    The Ukraine military should adopt a play on Obama’s “Be the change” nonsense. “Be the Storm!” :-) :-)

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    That’s pretty ballsy to make the commemorative stamp first, and then create the event.   Sounds like something Oleksiy Arestovych would recommend.  (He also explained recently (today?) why the Ukrainian government lied when it knew an invasion was coming.) 

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  9. The Reticulator Member
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    Jailer (View Comment):

    Of particular note, Russia can’t replace what was by far its most potent shore bombardment & area denial weapon in the Black Sea, because Turkey has closed the Bosphorus to military vessels.

    Interesting thread here:

    Somebody pointed out that the last time a Russian flagship was sunk was in the 1904-1905 Russo-Japan war. That came as a shock to Russia, and that war had long-term consequences, ending in regime change.

    Before we get too excited, we should remember that the new regime was not an improvement over the old one.

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  10. Seawriter Contributor
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Somebody pointed out that the last time a Russian flagship was sunk was in the 1904-1905 Russo-Japan war. That came as a shock to Russia, and that war had long-term consequences, ending in regime change.

    Before we get too excited, we should remember that the new regime was not an improvement over the old one.

    Regime change took almost a dozen years and another war. For those interested, there is this book about the naval aspect of the Russo-Japanese War.

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  11. Percival Thatcher
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Somebody pointed out that the last time a Russian flagship was sunk was in the 1904-1905 Russo-Japan war. That came as a shock to Russia, and that war had long-term consequences, ending in regime change.

    Before we get too excited, we should remember that the new regime was not an improvement over the old one.

    Regime change took almost a dozen years and another war. For those interested, there is this book about the naval aspect of the Russo-Japanese War.

    The video I posted above covers the Russian forces that sailed around Africa to get sunk at the Battle of Tsushima.

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  12. Captain French Moderator
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    The stamp is selling like hotcakes in Ukraine.

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  13. Percival Thatcher
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    It’s impossible to say from this one picture for certain, but it looks like it could very well be a missile strike. The two missile tubes on the port side next to the superstructure don’t appear to be there anymore.

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