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  1. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    Surprised it’s not a US stamp.

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  2. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Well, that’s interesting.

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  3. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Pretty good, just a shame he’s not holding some kind of missile launcher and the ship isn’t on fire.

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  4. Captain French Moderator
    Captain French
    @AlFrench

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Pretty good, just a shame he’s not holding some kind of missile launcher and the ship isn’t on fire.

    It should be. It has suffered massive explosions and has been abandoned. Either a Ukrainian misled or an accident.

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  5. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Pretty good, just a shame he’s not holding some kind of missile launcher and the ship isn’t on fire.

    The missiles were too big (if it was Ukrainian missiles).

    An unrelated onboard fire? That would be almost as embarrasing, but if you know a little about the history of the Russian Navy, not surprising.

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  6. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Pretty good, just a shame he’s not holding some kind of missile launcher and the ship isn’t on fire.

    Give it time.  The largest Russian ship in the Black Sea is on fire, and may be sinking.

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  7. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    How can I get some of these stamps?  I would save them for special occasions, like the dozens of Reagan Stamps I have!

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  8. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Pretty good, just a shame he’s not holding some kind of missile launcher and the ship isn’t on fire.

    Give it time. The largest Russian ship in the Black Sea is on fire, and may be sinking.

    Even if the Russians are able to tow it to port (as they claim they are doing)- it is likely a total economic loss. The ship is about 40 years old and Soviet ships were typically designed for a 20 year service life (vs 30 for the USN). The Russians claimed they aimed to keep her in service for 60 years but it isn’t clear she even received her last scheduled overhaul.

    hopefully the Russians, due to overweening pride, reconstruct her thereby wasting more money- like they have with their battle cruisers.

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  9. Jimmy Carter Member
    Jimmy Carter
    @JimmyCarter

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Surprised it’s not a US stamp.

    It’s missing the rainbow flag on the Soldier. 

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  10. Seawriter Contributor
    Seawriter
    @Seawriter

    Moskova was built at the Mykolayiv shipyard. It is in the Ukraine.  Don’t know if it is occupied by Russia, but the Russian Federation isn’t going to get the ship back in service during this was. (Assuming it has not sunk.)

    However corrupt the Ukrainian government may be, the performance of the Ukrainian military indicates there is relatively little corruption there – or at least a lot less than in the Russian military. 

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  11. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Is that stamp real?  I didn’t think “the finger” was universal…

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  12. JennaStocker Member
    JennaStocker
    @JennaStocker

    I found the debate over the post “letter” was an interesting aside. I don’t know much about stamps, but from what I read, the Ukrainian equivalent of the Postmaster-General had a vote on whether to keep the standard “V” – for victory and cost the standard 12 UAH and not subject to Russian block or change it to the “F” as pictured here. The F was for the curt reply-turned-battle cry, but would cost 23 UAH. From what I gather, a lot of people are willing to pay a premium for the extra symbolism. Even in stamps, every detail lends itself to a purpose in war.

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  13. Seawriter Contributor
    Seawriter
    @Seawriter

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Is that stamp real? I didn’t think “the finger” was universal…

    There was a reference to an actor causing a riot in Ancient Rome after making an obscene gesture at the audience  with his middle finger in Suetoneus’s “Twelve Caesars. “

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  14. Dbroussa Coolidge
    Dbroussa
    @Dbroussa

    It needs the caption “Russian ship, F— You!” in Ukrainian of course.

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  15. Doug Watt Moderator
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    Ukraine says it has launched a cruise-missile strike that disabled Russia’s flagship Black Sea vessel amid expectations Moscow is shifting its focus in the war to the east as fierce fighting continues to batter the port city of Mariupol, where the defenders were still holding out.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry said on April 14 that a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser caused ammunition to blow up, but Maksym Marchenko, the Ukrainian governor of the region around the Black Sea port of Odesa, said the ship had been hit by two Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles.

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  16. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
    Nanocelt TheContrarian
    @NanoceltTheContrarian

    Seawriter (View Comment):
    Reply

    Oh, the things Ricochetti know!

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  17. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

    Remember the Sheffield

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  18. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Personally, I’m not a fan of crude and debased language or, in this case, a crude and debased gesture.  I probably would have reacted favorably, once upon a time.

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  19. Doctor Robert Member
    Doctor Robert
    @DoctorRobert

    So has the ship been re-commissioned yet as the Submarine Moskva?

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  20. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Personally, I’m not a fan of crude and debased language or, in this case, a crude and debased gesture. I probably would have reacted favorably, once upon a time.

    I’m all for civil discourse, but I’m not inclined to tone-police people who had their homes blown out from underneath them.

     

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  21. Doug Watt Moderator
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Personally, I’m not a fan of crude and debased language or, in this case, a crude and debased gesture. I probably would have reacted favorably, once upon a time.

    I’m all for civil discourse, but I’m not inclined to tone-police people who had their homes blown out from underneath them,

    Well, there are times when Golly Gee Whiz is just not enough.

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  22. Jim McConnell Member
    Jim McConnell
    @JimMcConnell

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Ukraine says it has launched a cruise-missile strike that disabled Russia’s flagship Black Sea vessel amid expectations Moscow is shifting its focus in the war to the east as fierce fighting continues to batter the port city of Mariupol, where the defenders were still holding out.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry said on April 14 that a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser caused ammunition to blow up, but Maksym Marchenko, the Ukrainian governor of the region around the Black Sea port of Odesa, said the ship had been hit by two Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles.

    Well, I guess an anti-ship missile could cause a fire if it struck a vessel.

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  23. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Ukraine says it has launched a cruise-missile strike that disabled Russia’s flagship Black Sea vessel amid expectations Moscow is shifting its focus in the war to the east as fierce fighting continues to batter the port city of Mariupol, where the defenders were still holding out.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry said on April 14 that a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser caused ammunition to blow up, but Maksym Marchenko, the Ukrainian governor of the region around the Black Sea port of Odesa, said the ship had been hit by two Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles.

    Well, I guess an anti-ship missile could cause a fire if it struck a vessel.

    It kinda has to, doesn’t it?

    At least if it worked.

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  24. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    Russia confirms the  ship sunk while being towed

    the news in Moscow will be “Fires extinguished on the cruiser Moskva!”

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  25. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Ukraine says it has launched a cruise-missile strike that disabled Russia’s flagship Black Sea vessel amid expectations Moscow is shifting its focus in the war to the east as fierce fighting continues to batter the port city of Mariupol, where the defenders were still holding out.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry said on April 14 that a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser caused ammunition to blow up, but Maksym Marchenko, the Ukrainian governor of the region around the Black Sea port of Odesa, said the ship had been hit by two Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles.

    Well, I guess an anti-ship missile could cause a fire if it struck a vessel.

    It kinda has to, doesn’t it?

    At least if it worked.

    The Neptune is an Ukrainian upgrade of the Soviet-era Kh-35 (NATO designation AS-20 Kayak). The sources I’ve found say that it is rated for targets 5000 tons of displacement or less. The Moskva is 12,000 tons.

    Sometimes you get lucky. The destroyer USS Johnston blazed away at the heavy cruiser IJN Kumano with its 5″ guns and set fire to the Kumano’s superstructure after several hits. That didn’t matter as much as the Johnston’s blowing the Kumano’s bow off with torpedoes a short time later, but every little bit helps.

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  26. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    Percival (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Ukraine says it has launched a cruise-missile strike that disabled Russia’s flagship Black Sea vessel amid expectations Moscow is shifting its focus in the war to the east as fierce fighting continues to batter the port city of Mariupol, where the defenders were still holding out.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry said on April 14 that a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser caused ammunition to blow up, but Maksym Marchenko, the Ukrainian governor of the region around the Black Sea port of Odesa, said the ship had been hit by two Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles.

    Well, I guess an anti-ship missile could cause a fire if it struck a vessel.

    It kinda has to, doesn’t it?

    At least if it worked.

    The Neptune is an Ukrainian upgrade of the Soviet-era Kh-35 (NATO designation AS-20 Kayak). The sources I’ve found say that it is rated for targets 5000 tons of displacement or less. The Moskva is 12,000 tons.

    Sometimes you get lucky. The destroyer USS Johnston blazed away at the heavy cruiser IJN Kumano with its 5″ guns and set fire to the Kumano’s superstructure after several hits. That didn’t matter as much as the Johnston’s blowing the Kumano’s bow off with torpedoes a short time later, but every little bit helps.

    Russian warships carry their main missile battery in a highly exposed location and can easily be set ablaze by a missile strike. The size of the Moskva is offset by the large complement of 16 large anti-ship missiles – half stored on each side of the ship & easy to hit.

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  27. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Russia confirms the ship sunk while being towed

    the news in Moscow will be “Fires extinguished on the cruiser Moskva!”

    The cruiser Moskva sank while being towed in a storm. . .”

    . . .of Ukrainian missiles.

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  28. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Ukraine says it has launched a cruise-missile strike that disabled Russia’s flagship Black Sea vessel amid expectations Moscow is shifting its focus in the war to the east as fierce fighting continues to batter the port city of Mariupol, where the defenders were still holding out.

    Russia’s Defense Ministry said on April 14 that a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser caused ammunition to blow up, but Maksym Marchenko, the Ukrainian governor of the region around the Black Sea port of Odesa, said the ship had been hit by two Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles.

    Well, I guess an anti-ship missile could cause a fire if it struck a vessel.

    It kinda has to, doesn’t it?

    At least if it worked.

    The Neptune is an Ukrainian upgrade of the Soviet-era Kh-35 (NATO designation AS-20 Kayak). The sources I’ve found say that it is rated for targets 5000 tons of displacement or less. The Moskva is 12,000 tons.

    Sometimes you get lucky. The destroyer USS Johnston blazed away at the heavy cruiser IJN Kumano with its 5″ guns and set fire to the Kumano’s superstructure after several hits. That didn’t matter as much as the Johnston’s blowing the Kumano’s bow off with torpedoes a short time later, but every little bit helps.

    Russian warships carry their main missile battery in a highly exposed location and can easily be set ablaze by a missile strike. The size of the Moskva is offset by the large complement of 16 large anti-ship missiles – half stored on each side of the ship & easy to hit.

    One of the theories I’ve seen is that the Johnston may have hit a torpedo being readied on the Kumano. In addition to the warhead, the Long Lance torpedo contained pressurized oxygen, which could have caused additional trouble if ruptured suddenly by an explosive.

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  29. Seawriter Contributor
    Seawriter
    @Seawriter

    Looks like Moskova will join Ark Royal and Taiho as examples of how not to do damage control. 

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  30. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Personally, I’m not a fan of crude and debased language or, in this case, a crude and debased gesture. I probably would have reacted favorably, once upon a time.

    I’m all for civil discourse, but I’m not inclined to tone-police people who had their homes blown out from underneath them.

     

    You didn’t have your home blown out from underneath you.

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