Oppose Government Mandates

 

This needs to be the policy of all Americans. Government mandates take control of matters, that affect the lives of individuals, away from the individuals and place control in the hands of government bureaucrats. Have you seen any of this on the increase lately?

Two mandates Americans today have lived with all their lives have done irreparable damage to those who have been under that yoke: the federal income tax system operated by the Internal Revenue Service and compulsory state education requirements for children now being controlled significantly at the federal level. The latest large-scale effort is in the medical field with ObamaCare and bolstered lately by Covid-19. Also, there is a widespread effort to mandate sex education in public elementary classes. The list of prospective mandates is surely growing every day.

I know this is essentially a political process within our class-based culture pitting the people, who have a right to their lives, against the elite, who think they know better.

You are welcome to say whatever you like regarding what I have described as my view of this.

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  1. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    We may need to subject ourselves to a couple election cycles of being populists.

    And for those that have issues with populism, are you thinking in terms of Revolution or in terms of a democratic republic? Because populism using the constitutional levers to change who occupies our government is not the same as chopping off Marie Antoinette’s head.

    And if we can, from the grassroots, leverage a “hostile” take over of the Republican Party in service of a bare-bones populist agenda, it could help revolutionize the R party forever while giving a majority of Americans the power to oust the communists, radical progressives, and globalists.

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  2. Unsk Member
    Unsk
    @Unsk

    Great Post Bob.

    Ah the Great Administrative State! How could we live without them for they know what’s best for us in all cases?

    I know of a doctor is now being investigated by the FDA for giving people COVID antibodies, because ya know he has really crossed the line and is actually trying to help his patients!

    Really, this is a very complex subject but I believe the fault lies at it’s root with the Supreme  Court’s allowance of such nonsense which is an absolutely baseless and uncalled for infringement of our inalienable rights.  But I guess that is the price for  the ever so important Great Reset Revolution to control our every move!

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  3. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Unsk (View Comment):

    Great Post Bob.

    Ah the Great Administrative State! How could we live without them for they know what’s best for us in all cases?

    I know of a doctor is now being investigated by the FDA for giving people COVID antibodies, because ya know he has really crossed the line and is actually trying to help his patients!

    Really, this is a very complex subject but I believe the fault lies at it’s root with the Supreme Court’s allowance of such nonsense which is an absolutely baseless and uncalled for infringement of our inalienable rights. But I guess that is the price for the ever so important Great Reset Revolution to control our every move!

    I would be in favor of a true Great Reset since a reset means going back to a previous state.

    But what they really mean is more like the “Great Leap Forward” in China, and we saw how THAT went…

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  4. sawatdeeka Member
    sawatdeeka
    @sawatdeeka

    Getting random, incomprehensible letters from the IRS stating that we owe payment, penalties, and interest have been some of the most distressing times of our lives, especially because their phone system consistently hangs up on us when we are seeking to understand what we did wrong.

    I long for a simple tax system where we can pay our taxes and move on with our lives.

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  5. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    sawatdeeka (View Comment):

    Getting random, incomprehensible letters from the IRS stating that we owe payment, penalties, and interest have been some of the most distressing times of our lives, especially because their phone system consistently hangs up on us when we are seeking to understand what we did wrong.

    I long for a simple tax system where we can pay our taxes and move on with our lives.

    Don’t give them ideas!  You could end up with the infamous semi-joke 2-line tax return:

    1. How much did you earn last year?
    2. Send it in.

     

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  6. Mark Camp Member
    Mark Camp
    @MarkCamp

    How do we determine whether or not something is a mandate, as you mean it in this context?

    Could you also give some illustrative practical examples?  Is a law against kidnapping a mandate?  Are all taxes mandates?  Etc.

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  7. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    How do we determine whether or not something is a mandate, as you mean it in this context?

    Could you also give some illustrative practical examples? Is a law against kidnapping a mandate? Are all taxes mandates? Etc.

    Laws generally forbidding acts that violate other person’s individual rights I don’t think of as the type of mandate I’m suggesting should be opposed, so a law against kidnapping would not qualify in this context.

    All taxes are not mandates when one can choose not to incur them. Property taxes only apply to those who choose to acquire qualifying property which in many cases can be avoided if one so chooses. Taxes on luxury items are a good example. Income taxes are mandates in the sense that almost all people must generate themselves or affiliate with someone who earns income and those taxes will be used for all kinds of things those taxed would not choose or need to use. Public schools are obviously a good example.

     

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  8. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    How do we determine whether or not something is a mandate, as you mean it in this context?

    Could you also give some illustrative practical examples? Is a law against kidnapping a mandate? Are all taxes mandates? Etc.

    Laws generally forbidding acts that violate other person’s individual rights I don’t think of as the type of mandate I’m suggesting should be opposed, so a law against kidnapping would not qualify in this context.

    All taxes are not mandates when one can choose not to incur them. Property taxes only apply to those who choose to acquire qualifying property which in many cases can be avoided if one so chooses. Taxes on luxury items are a good example. Income taxes are mandates in the sense that almost all people must generate themselves or affiliate with someone who earns income and those taxes will be used for all kinds of things those taxed would not choose or need to use. Public schools are obviously a good example.

     

    Except everywhere I’ve lived, schools are paid from property taxes, not (so much) income taxes.

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    How do we determine whether or not something is a mandate, as you mean it in this context?

    Could you also give some illustrative practical examples? Is a law against kidnapping a mandate? Are all taxes mandates? Etc.

    Laws generally forbidding acts that violate other person’s individual rights I don’t think of as the type of mandate I’m suggesting should be opposed, so a law against kidnapping would not qualify in this context.

    All taxes are not mandates when one can choose not to incur them. Property taxes only apply to those who choose to acquire qualifying property which in many cases can be avoided if one so chooses. Taxes on luxury items are a good example. Income taxes are mandates in the sense that almost all people must generate themselves or affiliate with someone who earns income and those taxes will be used for all kinds of things those taxed would not choose or need to use. Public schools are obviously a good example.

     

    Except everywhere I’ve lived, schools are paid from property taxes, not (so much) income taxes.

    You don’t think any of your federal income tax goes to schools? Covid

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  10. Mark Camp Member
    Mark Camp
    @MarkCamp

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    How do we determine whether or not something is a mandate, as you mean it in this context?

    Could you also give some illustrative practical examples? Is a law against kidnapping a mandate? Are all taxes mandates? Etc.

    Laws generally forbidding acts that violate other person’s individual rights I don’t think of as the type of mandate I’m suggesting should be opposed, so a law against kidnapping would not qualify in this context.

    All taxes are not mandates when one can choose not to incur them. Property taxes only apply to those who choose to acquire qualifying property which in many cases can be avoided if one so chooses. Taxes on luxury items are a good example. Income taxes are mandates in the sense that almost all people must generate themselves or affiliate with someone who earns income and those taxes will be used for all kinds of things those taxed would not choose or need to use. Public schools are obviously a good example.

     

    Thx.

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  11. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Unsk (View Comment):
    I know of a doctor is now being investigated by the FDA for giving people COVID antibodies, because ya know he has really crossed the line and is actually trying to help his patients!

    He should tell the FDA it’s to help with their sex conversion processes . . .

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  12. RushBabe49 Thatcher
    RushBabe49
    @RushBabe49

    Here’s a recent government mandate that would be easy for us to simply stop obeying.  How about refusing the mask mandate on airplanes?  If 100% of the passengers on a flight simply removed their masks and refused to put them on, which airline would eject an entire plane’s worth of passengers if they were calm and did not put up any kind of fuss (not being unruly, simply removing the mask)?  Especially when the airlines and their pilots and flight attendants have sued the government to kill the mandate, I think the crew would support that kind of protest.  And anyway, if no one complained, the government might not know or care.  And if all airline passengers did the same, what would happen?

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  13. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Here’s a recent government mandate that would be easy for us to simply stop obeying. How about refusing the mask mandate on airplanes? If 100% of the passengers on a flight simply removed their masks and refused to put them on, which airline would eject an entire plane’s worth of passengers if they were calm and did not put up any kind of fuss (not being unruly, simply removing the mask)? Especially when the airlines and their pilots and flight attendants have sued the government to kill the mandate, I think the crew would support that kind of protest. And anyway, if no one complained, the government might not know or care. And if all airline passengers did the same, what would happen?

    Good idea, but you’d probably get at least one person on each flight who would record it and send it to the FAA.

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  14. I Walton Member
    I Walton
    @IWalton

    There is no top down way to return to representative government.  Our unique success was bottom up, small groups sorting things out, gradually getting things moving in better directions and with time it works.   The key was the framework and universal rule of law and limited national government.   Top down is faster, as those in charge gather matters in their interests in hand rapidly and then narrow until it all just rots and/or collapses.  So far there is one place that was bottom up and it worked and the entire history of mankind did the centralization thing.  But states are also too big and self serving so we have to figure out how to have bottom up where giant companies and interests are narrowing and dominating.  The only reason to be a 50 state giant is for national defense.  Now we don’t seem to care about national defense, we just want to get on with accelerating the rot.  

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  15. Mark Camp Member
    Mark Camp
    @MarkCamp

    I Walton (View Comment):

    There is no top down way to return to representative government. Our unique success was bottom up, small groups sorting things out, gradually getting things moving in better directions and with time it works. The key was the framework and universal rule of law and limited national government. Top down is faster, as those in charge gather matters in their interests in hand rapidly and then narrow until it all just rots and/or collapses. So far there is one place that was bottom up and it worked and the entire history of mankind did the centralization thing. But states are also too big and self serving so we have to figure out how to have bottom up where giant companies and interests are narrowing and dominating. The only reason to be a 50 state giant is for national defense. Now we don’t seem to care about national defense, we just want to get on with accelerating the rot.

    I was counting the sentences that I agreed with and thought critically important to the future of the Republic, and those that I either disagreed with or thought to be not critically important.

    It was around 6 – nil when I stopped counting, and started just reading.

    But I know it was X – nil at the end, where “X” is whatever the number of sentences is.

    The thing is, this happened recently with some other person.  I was going to remember who it was, and start a list of people who make comments with a significant number of sentences and  X – nil final scores in favor of saving the Republic.

    But I forget who it was.  So I will start over with @I Walton.

    I used to know a memory trick. So maybe I should use that, starting now, so I will eventually know who “us” is.

    Hold on, I just remembered the trick.  Number one is associated with an alarm clock, in this method.  So now I am picturing an alarm clock and Grandpa Walton is pointing at the alarm clock, saying “look at the time!”

    I will let you know once I have remembered enough of “us” to form a proper tribe, one that can take its rightful place in the world of tribes.

     

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  16. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Well, don’t keep us in suspense.  Did you like it or not?

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  17. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    I Walton (View Comment):

    There is no top down way to return to representative government. Our unique success was bottom up, small groups sorting things out, gradually getting things moving in better directions and with time it works. The key was the framework and universal rule of law and limited national government. Top down is faster, as those in charge gather matters in their interests in hand rapidly and then narrow until it all just rots and/or collapses. So far there is one place that was bottom up and it worked and the entire history of mankind did the centralization thing. But states are also too big and self serving so we have to figure out how to have bottom up where giant companies and interests are narrowing and dominating. The only reason to be a 50 state giant is for national defense. Now we don’t seem to care about national defense, we just want to get on with accelerating the rot.

    I was counting the sentences that I agreed with and thought critically important to the future of the Republic, and those that I either disagreed with or thought to be not critically important.

    It was around 6 – nil when I stopped counting, and started just reading.

    But I know it was X – nil at the end, where “X” is whatever the number of sentences is.

    The thing is, this happened recently with some other person. I was going to remember who it was, and start a list of people who make comments with a significant number of sentences and X – nil final scores in favor of saving the Republic.

    But I forget who it was. So I will start over with @ I Walton.

    I used to know a memory trick. So maybe I should use that, starting now, so I will eventually know who “us” is.

    Hold on, I just remembered the trick. Number one is associated with an alarm clock, in this method. So now I am picturing an alarm clock and Grandpa Walton is pointing at the alarm clock, saying “look at the time!”

    I will let you know once I have remembered enough of “us” to form a proper tribe, one that can take its rightful place in the world of tribes.

     

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    I find almost all of @iwalton comment to be reliable.

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